#indieweb 2016-10-18

2016-10-18 UTC
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acegiak Aw man, I spent ages working on my CSS in chrome last night only to find out this morning that the borders look rubbish in firefox :'(
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Loqi acegiak: GWG left you a message on 2016-07-12 at 7:59pm UTC: Making Post Kinds Changes again
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acegiak I trust you, GWG
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tantek acegiak - what CSS properties are you using?
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acegiak tantek: border-style and border-color
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tantek acegiak - those should be quite consistent cross-browser
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tantek really curious now what values you're using, including width
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acegiak but the light highlight on inset, outset and ridged borders is way lighter than on chrome
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tantek yeah, the ridge/bevel border highlighting is very browser dependent
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tantek you may want to explore border-image
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tantek you can make tiny images that are tiled to make whatever detailed borders you want
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tantek it's quite cool
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acegiak oh! I hadn't heard of that!
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acegiak I'll check it out!
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tantek aaronpk do you get notified of home page webmentions?
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tantek I guess we'll find out
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@kevinmarks “…it reinforces your echo chamber. We’re all helplessly spiraling into corners & bellowing at each other” http://www.vulture.com/2016/10/black-mirror-charlie-brooker-c-v-r.html%23it%2520reinforces%2520your%2520echo%2520chamber.%2520We%25E2%2580%2599re%2520all%2520helplessly%2520spiraling%2520into%2520corners%2520and%2520bellowing%2520at%2520each%2520other #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/788187600246845440)
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Loqi [indieweb] "“…it reinforces your echo chamber. We’re all helplessly spiraling into corners & bellowing at each other” http://www.vulture.com/2016/10/black-mirror-charlie-brooker-c-v-r.html#it%20reinforces%20your%20echo%20chamber.%20We%E2%80%99re%20all%20helplessly%20spiraling%20into%20corners%20and%20bellowing%20at%20each%20other #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2016-10-18 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/it-reinforces-your-echo-chamber-were-all-helplessly-spiraling-into
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GWG !tell acegiak I hope so considering the age of the message
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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acegiak GWG, lol
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Loqi acegiak: GWG left you a message 18 minutes ago: I hope so considering the age of the message
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gRegorLove Noticed FB is doing larger text (and emojis) for short statuses.
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gRegorLove It's kind of jarring scrolling through the feed.
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gRegorLove At first I thought it was some new algorithm thing to highlight stuff FB thoughd I'd like more, but think it's to draw more attention to tweet-length posts.
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ben_thatmustbeme it always throws me off when i'm not logged in to github and then log in to something via IndieAuth -> Github
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ben_thatmustbeme the login screen for github has aaronpk's profile photo on it
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GWG acegiak: Nice to see more of you again
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Loqi [indieweb] "How many social media related accounts can one person have on the web?!" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-10-18 http://boffosocko.com/2016/10/17/how-many-social-media-related-accounts-can-one-person-have-on-the-web/
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Loqi [indieweb] "How many social media related accounts can one person have on the web?!" by ChrisAldrich on 2016-10-18 https://medium.com/boffo-socko/how-many-social-media-related-accounts-can-one-person-have-on-the-web-98cf542eb9a3?source=rss----12b80d28f892---4
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@ChrisAldrich How many social media related accounts can one person have on the web?! http://boffosocko.com/2016/10/17/how-many-social-media-related-accounts-can-one-person-have-on-the-web/ #IndieWeb https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/status/788214305791418368/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/788214305791418368)
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Loqi [indieweb] "How many social media related accounts can one person have on the web?!" by ChrisAldrich on 2016-10-18 https://medium.com/boffo-socko/how-many-social-media-related-accounts-can-one-person-have-on-the-web-98cf542eb9a3?source=rss-f9e3747f5480------2
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acegiak GWG, I like hanging out here, life's just so busy for me these days :/
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GWG I understand. I thought I would try to motivate you with noting my observation of your absence.
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acegiak but being back on IRC is mostly to do with me wondering if weechat can solve my problem of having too many slacks and discords to pay attention to accross multiple apps
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acegiak GWG, it's effective
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GWG I use Weechat and Glowing Bear and Weechat for android.
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acegiak yeah it's SUPER nice for IRC
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acegiak I'm just wondering if it would be a boon for managing slack and discord and maybe matrix chats
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GWG Well, there is a Slack/IRC gateway I think.
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GWG How many things are you in?
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Ruxton_ default Slack/IRC gateway is nasty at best
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GWG Hi, Ruxton_
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GWG Saw your message
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Ruxton_ I used to use it for work, missed many rich text things that never got converted in the IRC gateway, they also don't seem too interested in fixing those things
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GWG I use only the WordPress slack.
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GWG For everything else Bitlbee
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KevinMarks_ I am in a lot of slacks
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Ruxton_ I cut down to the 1 i _HAVE_ to be in
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Ruxton_ outside of that, I'm sick of opensource projects moving to closed conversation in slack
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GWG Ruxton_: Agreed.
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Ruxton there's been a running thing of orgs opening up their team slack to public for support too, so annoying, I don't want to invite myself to some orgs slack just to have a chat about a bug
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aaronpk there's a weechat plugin for slack! It uses the slack API directly instead of IRC. I've been trying it out
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GWG aaronpk: How is it?
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@kevinmarks @ev @mathowie @anildash @aaronlammer @GlennF @craigmod also, the infrastructure is there: https://indieweb.org/lost_infrastructure so support it in silos too (twitter.com/_/status/788259815852085248)
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petermolnar ++our incredible journey: http://www.panoramio.com/maps-faq
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Zegnat !tell gRegorLove I like the citation template, is there anyway we could auto-add an archive.org link in there somehow?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@Slalomfahrer @sl007 Hi, hab mich für das IndieWebCamp angemeldet, bin sehr gespannt! Bekomm nur meinen Namen nicht richtig auf die Wiki-Seite. Hilfe! :-) (twitter.com/_/status/788302802678325248)
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@marcthiele @Slalomfahrer @sl007 evtl. kann ich helfen. Woran scheitert es denn? #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/788308387129876480)
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@Slalomfahrer @marcthiele An dem Wiki-Eintrag. Aber @sl007 hat was gemacht und es sieht besser aus. Das muss er mir beim #indiewebcamp BER mal erklären. (twitter.com/_/status/788319648416686080)
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@sl007 https://indieweb.org/2016/Berlin ?@ruihildt @nkler @thetomscholz @pedrodealmeida @Workaholic4ever @lusantala @FellowRabbit @koos @_kevinatari @Jhnnns (twitter.com/_/status/788373009455341568)
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sknebel !tell tantek: for me, the search box on your site is broken. I have to switch the time range from "1. Jan 1970 – today" to "any time" on the results page to see results
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat Hello IndieWeb!
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sknebel Hi Zegnat!
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Zegnat Anything going on, sknebel?
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sknebel university just started again, and finally moving on my masters thesis, so quite busy
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gRegorLove Good morning, indieweb
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Loqi gRegorLove: Zegnat left you a message 6 hours, 57 minutes ago: I like the citation template, is there anyway we could auto-add an archive.org link in there somehow?
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snarfed PSA for bridgy publish twitter users! you no longer need to include in-reply-to @-mentions in your replies. thanks to the new "extended tweet" changes, bridgy and twitter now include them for you.
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snarfed (if you still include the reply @-mention, twitter right now shows *two* copies, since its own UIs haven't caught up with its changes yet. :P i expect they will eventually. background: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/703 )
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snarfed considers twitter-DMing all users who have bridgy published a reply in the last n months
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snarfed ...
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snarfed stops considering
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gRegorLove snarfed: not sure I follow. I did notice one tweet I sent with "@username" went through "@username @username", is that it?
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gRegorLove I thought I'd typoed the username when I posted on my site, so didn't look into it further
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gRegorLove snarfed: Double-checked. Nope, I didn't typo.
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snarfed gRegorLove: yes! that's it.
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gRegorLove snarfed: So it's still duplicating, or it's fixed?
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snarfed the fix is to stop including the @-mention on your end :/
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snarfed (used to be required, now it's not)
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snarfed i'll look into de-duping in bridgy too
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gRegorLove Huh, I've definitely experienced Twitter auto-adding it before (if it wasnt' included), so I always thought it was optional
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snarfed gRegorLove: twitter's UI does auto-add. their API didn't used to, but now it does too
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aaronpk woohoo! first implementation report is live! https://micropub.rocks/implementation-report/server/19/BOgTNq3KDk2DmPKnMVpl
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gRegorLove I meant through the API. Maybe Bridgy was doing it?
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Loqi yay!
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aaronpk bear ben_thatmustbeme snarfed KevinMarks cweiske and anyone else who has been using micropub.rocks, I just pushed out an update for it that will compile your test results into an "implementation report" which is what the w3c uses to evaluate the maturity of the spec. would appreciate if you all went through and ran each test again, and then submitted a report through the site! It's all built in and should
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aaronpk be super easy.
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bear \o/
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snarfed aaronpk++ will do!
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Loqi aaronpk has 1118 karma (429 in this channel)
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bear aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 1119 karma (430 in this channel)
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aaronpk and you can review the other submitted reports here! https://micropub.rocks/reports
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 1120 karma (431 in this channel)
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snarfed gRegorLove: sorry, you're right, i misspoke. bridgy did auto-add the reply @-mention before if it wasn't there. it still does now, just through twitter, which doesn't de-dupe.
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Zegnat Ah, netsplit, please tell me my bouncer did not just disconnect again
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gRegorLove Zegnat: Your bouncer did not just disconnect again :)
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Zegnat gRegorLove, good, because it is a little annoying to have to reboot it. It is a known issue, but the fix is only in the unstable branch so far :(
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@grantpotter IndieWebify.Me - A guide to getting you on the #indieweb https://indiewebify.me/ (twitter.com/_/status/788453232469282850)
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Loqi [indieweb] "IndieWebify.Me - A guide to getting you on the #indieweb https://indiewebify.me/" by Grant Potter on 2016-10-18 http://known.networkeffects.ca/2016/indiewebifyme---a-guide-to-getting-you-on-the-indieweb
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@grantpotter @unhosted https://unhosted.org/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/788453943705792512)
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Loqi [indieweb] "@unhosted https://unhosted.org/ #indieweb" by Grant Potter on 2016-10-18 http://known.networkeffects.ca/2016/unhosted-indieweb
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KevinMarks gRegorLove - my usual complaint, but some of the type on indiewebify.me is so grey as to be illegible - the footer particularly, but also the subhead
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gRegorLove On the test version I linked?
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gRegorLove They should all pass WCAG now
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KevinMarks oh sorry, I was looking at the current one, derp
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KevinMarks one I just saw- not calling strip() on the url entered so a trailing space gives a curl error
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KevinMarks that is much better, though the font-weight: 200 on the 'lead' style is super light - 300 maybe?
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KevinMarks with it not being responsive, the type gets very thin on mobile when you zoom out
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gRegorLove Yeah, I considered updating it to Bootstrap 3, or at least adding the responsive to the current version.
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gRegorLove I did make some corrections to properly use the grid. Really not much of the site is leveraging bootstrap at all, so maybe we could replace with a simpler responsive CSS.
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gRegorLove There's a flat-ui.css file in the page, the majority of which is not being used.
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KevinMarks I suppose it is mostly a desktop ui site, give it expects you to go edit your html
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cweiske aaronpk, commentpara.de does not pass many tests because it only supports replies and likes, not "normal" posts
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aaronpk hm interesting
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aaronpk i suppose these tests are definitely biased towards "normal" posts
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cweiske yep. commentpara.de is special interest
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aaronpk cweiske: out of the features described on https://micropub.rocks/reports which ones would it pass? I'm wondering if it's worth making a way for you to manually check the boxes to fill it out rather than using the test tool.
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cweiske I can simply run all of them :)
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cweiske 600 and 601 will pass
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cweiske the rest depends on h-entries
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aaronpk i meant the features, not the tests. the features describe behavior more specific than the tests but don't assume h-entry
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cweiske I don't support file uploads, but the rest should pass
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cweiske and I don't support undelete
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tantek good afternoon #indieweb
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Loqi tantek: sknebel left you a message 7 hours, 27 minutes ago: for me, the search box on your site is broken. I have to switch the time range from "1. Jan 1970 – today" to "any time" on the results page to see results
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tantek hmm
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tantek !tell sknebel what search terms were you trying?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel tantek: "Webmention"
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Loqi sknebel: tantek left you a message 3 minutes ago: what search terms were you trying?
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sknebel tantek: If I remove the "&tbs=sbd:1,cdr:1,cd_min:1/1/1970" from the URL manually it works, too, same if I remove the filtering from the google UI.
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tantek which is weird because it should be a sort, not a filter
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tantek sknebel, I'm seeing results for Webmention
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tantek first (most recent) result is http://tantek.com/2016/269/t1/indiewebcamp-brighton-hack-day-plans
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] #IndieWebCamp Brighton hack day plans * created date stretch: * updated date + Webmention updates * Webmention deletes
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sknebel on my phone it works too
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sknebel desktop it doesn't
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KartikPrabhu works for me on Ubuntu FF
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sknebel very strange :/
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KartikPrabhu also Ubuntu Chrome
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tantek sknebel: which browser on desktop?
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sknebel both FF and chrome
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tantek just tried in an incognito window and it worked also
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tantek sknebel: try "New Private Window" and go to tantek.com and see if that makes any difference
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tantek next thing is to try someone else in the same country
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tantek is wondering if there is some odd ISP / IP / country based filtering going on by Google
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sknebel private window fixes it in firefox, but not in Chrome O.O
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aaronpk glad i switched to my own search engine!
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sknebel tried other user account without any browser-addons, same thing
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sknebel if I switch it from date ordered to "relevancy" ordering it shows results as well
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KevinMarks a rare on-point Dilbert http://dilbert.com/strip/2016-10-17
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jmelesky I have a hard time with Dilbert based on recent Scott Adams goings-on
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tantek jmelesky: same same
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jmelesky I mean, it's really been that way for a while, but the past couple months he seems to have gotten worse
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tantek oh dear. I basically wrote him off after the initial MRA nonsense - though this is perhaps better for #indiechat
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jmelesky yes, sorry for the off-topic
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tantek jmelesky: no problem - it's right to call out when a citation may not be something that fits in with the culture / principles of the community
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@aboutcallum And I'm back, sharing my thoughts online: http://callum.withknown.com #indieweb #POOSE (twitter.com/_/status/788518499610230784)
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KevinMarks I went to the site to read his daft rant, and found that
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