#indieweb 2016-10-19

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@miklb @smerrill mostly because there was already some prior art for #indieweb integration. (twitter.com/_/status/788530221146185729)
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@kevinmarks @miklb @smerrill I have done some indieweb with Hugo work (twitter.com/_/status/788539178237632513)
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GWG Evening
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ben_thatmustbeme Eventing
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ben_thatmustbeme s/t//
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: What is new with your work?
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ben_thatmustbeme Work, work, or like indieweb-work?
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ben_thatmustbeme Just submitted my implementation report for micropub
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ben_thatmustbeme "just" = "earlier today"
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GWG Well, if you want to answer the first one, #indiechat and I am always curious. But I was asking about the second.
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GWG I was asked for a webmention implementation report. It made me understand how many things need to be thought of.
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ben_thatmustbeme Definitely would be good to have one from you
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ben_thatmustbeme You can also toaster it as you go
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ben_thatmustbeme Uhhhh. Wow autocorrect
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ben_thatmustbeme Update*. (on my phone in bed)
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KartikPrabhu i thought that was some fancy verbification that i didn't know about
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: Well, I keep working on little improvements with pfefferle.
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GWG While I sometimes write some things without him, having more than one person makes it better. And for a possible WordPress inclusion someday, you need more than one eye on it
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@jkphl Gentle reminder: Today is the last day you can order one of the @indiewebcamp hoodies we're making until IWC Berlin https://indieweb.org/2016/Berlin%23IndieWebCamp_Hoodies (twitter.com/_/status/788651403858341888)
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@IndieWebCampDE AUFGEMERKT: Heute letzte Gelegenheit, einen der Hoodies zu bestellen, die wir bis zum IWC Berlin machen! https://indieweb.org/2016/Berlin%23IndieWebCamp_Hoodies (twitter.com/_/status/788651765000466432)
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nebulon Hi there
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[nebulon] oh IRC and slack are bridged :wink:
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@jkphl @voxpelli Absolutely, that's the deal! ;) Please just add yourself (incl. size & colour) to the Wiki https://indieweb.org/2016/Berlin%23IndieWebCamp_Hoodies (twitter.com/_/status/788720005768773633)
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@jgarber Cool to see #indieweb plumbing making its way through the @w3c standards process: - http://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/ - http://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/ (twitter.com/_/status/788725153333215232)
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calumryan Afternoon
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calumryan HWC London starts at 18:30 tonight
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tantek woot!
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Loqi giggles
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calumryan Macbook in for repair :( so dusting off my half decade old Lenovo to bring along tonight
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petermolnar calumryan I'm on an X200 ;) ( hacked a bit though )
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nebulon Which hosting options are preferred with this community? Is it mostly in-house/on-premise self-hosting?
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cweiske I personally prefer to rent a VPS in a datacenter and administrate it myself
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snarfed nebulon: all different kinds! https://indieweb.org/web_hosting
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nebulon thanks for the link, I only today really found out about indieweb as someone recommended the Berlin event next month to me
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nebulon for some reason I entirely missed it :-) even though we try to make self-hosting viable for non-technical people since a year, which seems to be pretty much inline with indieweb, as far as I understand from what I have read
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aaronpk nebulon: there's a pretty wide variety of hosting options people here use. as a community we intentionally don't prefer/recommend any in particular, since it ultimately doesn't make a difference as to whether our sites can communicate
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aaronpk the most important part is that you have your own domain name, so that you can change where your site is hosted without changing your online identity
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nebulon makes sense, hosting providers come and go as well
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nebulon ah, from the wiki: "Since it's the indie*web*, not indie everything..." :-)
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calumryan nebulon: VPS in general seems to offer greater flexibility. Understanding how to setup is getting easier (in my opinion) with nicer interfaces and better documented with tutorials.
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nebulon agree, I have founded Cloudron, which is an opensource platform to enable running apps (say wordpress) on your own server (mostly VPS), an own domain is a central piece there as public facing pages on an IP is obviously no good (we didn't advertize the domain aspect as much so far though)
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[kevinmarks] Open source registrar https://opensource.googleblog.com/2016/10/introducing-nomulus-open-source.html
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jkphl Hello Indieweb! Final gentle reminder for the late shift and the folks outside Europe: today is your last chance order one of the IWC hoodies I'm gonna produce and bring to the IWC Berlin. The hoodies will cost € 29 (incl. 19% VAT; I should be able to skip the VAT for people outside the EU and people providing me with a valid EU VAT ID) and won't be Berlin branded in any way, they'll just show the logo on the front. You don't have
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sknebel jkphl: end of your message got cut off
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jkphl sknebel: oops. why that? ok, here's the end again:
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jkphl You don't have to attend the IWC in Berlin to order -- I'm happy to send them wherever you are. All details including available sizes and colours can be found at https://indieweb.org/2016/Berlin#IndieWebCamp_Hoodies. Right now we've got 16 orders. The price should drop if we can hit 30. So, why not go and grab yours now?
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sknebel IRC messages are limited to 512 byte, and that includes "headers", so the content length is something "random" below that (depending how long your username, host, ... are)
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jkphl sknebel: good to know, thanks
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@jkphl Starting in 1 hour: Homebrew Website Club Nuremberg @tollwerk. Drop by if you fancy company while working on your site! :) #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/788757483301007360)
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tantek good morning #indieweb!
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aaronpk good morning!
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dansup hello
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jkphl good evening from HWC nuremberg! :)
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dansup is working on an activitystreams package for php :)
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sl007 *is working on IndieAuth for node and working as Malwarenhändler* Greetz to Nuremberg. aaronpk: Is it intended that https://indieweb.org/Guest_List redirects to 2014/UK/ - the link is mentioned in the indieauth.com "Join Us" section …
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aaronpk we were redirecting /Guest_List to the next event's guest list before
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sl007 that stopped somewhen in 2014 ;)
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tantek lol
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tantek what is a Guest List?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/Guest_List
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tantek sl007 sounds like you should file an issue for github / indieauth.com
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sl007 [more userfriendly] suggestion : if the user authenticated first time and there is no rel="me" link let him create one by entering his url, for twitter e.g. POST account/update_profile
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aaronpk wow i didn't even realize the twitter api could update someone's URL
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aaronpk that's a good idea
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tantek ooh neat!
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sl007 https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth.com/issues/130 + https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth.com/issues/130 - but I'll put anything in the node.js repo.
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sl007 131
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barryf Arrived at HWC London. Spotted calumryan.
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barryf Met Mey.vn for the first time.
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GWG Hi, barryf. Long time
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barryf Hey GWG. How are you?
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GWG Surviving
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tantek any sign of tommorris ?
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barryf Doing intros. Mey.vn has been to a couple of Brighton IWCs.
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barryf tantek: Not yet. Will look out for him.
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GWG Hello, tantek
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barryf calumryan is demoing calumryan.com and his recent changes
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barryf Now has webmentions set up. Using webmention.io
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barryf 50% increase in numbers for HWC London this time!
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GWG Speaking of Webmentions, if you try to send a mention and get a response status not 200-202 what makes sense to do?
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tantek hey barryf, calumryan - you both implemented your own webmention support right? or are you both using webmention.io?
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sknebel GWG: #indieweb-dev?
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tantek if you implemented your own support, you should file an implementation report see the top of indieweb.org/Webmention for where
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GWG Okay, thought it was higher level, but okay.
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barryf Mey.vn has switched from Wordpress to Jekyll to Wordpress to a single page for his site.
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barryf Mey.vn interested in Micropub and Indieauth
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tantek barryf - your site is all your own code right?
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barryf tantek That's right. I've been building a new version to help it pass micropub.rocks
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barryf Almost there. I've been ticking off the tests using the version on my laptop.
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tantek barryf awesome!
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barryf calumryan is showing weather on his site and adactio's.
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barryf calumryan has a new posting interface he's working on to post replies.
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tantek what is weather?
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Loqi Weather is the state of the atmosphere at a place and time as regards heat, dryness, sunshine, wind, rain, etc https://indieweb.org/weather
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barryf Mey.vn building a CMS for academics in research centres.
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barryf Opportunity to use Microformats
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aaronpk can someone here with a facebook account test something with me?
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sl007 barryf yep, looks awesome, fyi the guys at german "Tagesspiegel" are looking for a "datajournalist" but what they really want is basically this. See e.g. https://twitter.com/MichaelKreil/status/785875303386284032
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@MichaelKreil Brauche dringend Datenjournalist_innen und Datenvisualisierende für @dsstio! Gehalt, Team, Kaffee, Infrastruktur ... alles super! :) (twitter.com/_/status/785875303386284032)
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tantek Loqi, translate to English
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aaronpk oh hi tantek maybe you want to help me test something on facebook
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tantek just about to be off IRC and en route for a bit - in ~1hr ok?
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aaronpk i'm trying to figure out how facebook indicates a post is shared with a limited audience. i have a feeling the people i share a post with see something different than me
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tantek yeah that's likely
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tantek what is private?
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aaronpk sure thing
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Loqi private posts refer to posts or portions of posts which are private to either the author or to a limited audience chosen by the author https://indieweb.org/private
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tantek what is limited audience
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "limited audience" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek limited audience is /private
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Loqi ok
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aaronpk it's not clear to me whether the screenshot on that page is from the person who created the post
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tantek checks
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tantek aaronpk, looks like that screenshot came from you, perhaps you could clarify? ;)
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tantek https://indieweb.org/private#Facebook
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aaronpk oh i think i took that screenshot at indiewebcamp dusseldorf!
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aaronpk we had a session on private posts
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tantek no that screenshot is clearly from you not the person who created it
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tantek look at the face icons
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tantek of author vs. who is being prompted to comment
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aaronpk found the etherpad from that session
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aaronpk oh boy, looks like we have a bunch of un-archived sessions still! http://indieweb.org/2015/Germany/Schedule
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gRegorLove I can help with FB if you still need to aaronpk
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gRegorLove And hah, yep. Only 2016 is totally up-to-date, I think. Scared to look at 2014!
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aaronpk gRegorLove: sure!
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gRegorLove FB confirmed. Need me to create a post or will you?
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aaronpk i have a post
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aaronpk two actually
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aaronpk https://www.facebook.com/aaronpk/posts/10102774793583326 and https://www.facebook.com/aaronpk/posts/10102774801697066
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gRegorLove There's a gear beside "Portland, OR" when I mouseover it says "Shared with Gregor Morrill Tantek Çelik"
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aaronpk aha!
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aaronpk can you screenshot that?
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aaronpk and add it to https://indieweb.org/private_posts#Facebook
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gRegorLove Will try. It's a JS popover, argh
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gRegorLove Updated: https://indieweb.org/private_posts#Limited_Audience
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KevinMarks I put a new heading for published articles on kevinmarks.com
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KevinMarks I marked them up as h-entry in my main feed, but I wonder if they should be something else?
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aaronpk gRegorLove: thanks!
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aaronpk gRegorLove: can you do this one too? https://www.facebook.com/aaronpk/posts/10102774801697066
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gRegorLove It's the same, just longer list of people.
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aaronpk whoa!
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aaronpk can you see the name of the list?
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aaronpk that is unexpected to me
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aaronpk here's what I see https://aaronparecki.com/uploads/Screen-Shot-2016-10-19-13-32-49.png
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gRegorLove No, just the people's names. The hover cuts off after a set number "and 1 more". They all show up when I click
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aaronpk also nice touch. you see "Portland, OR" and I just see "Portland"
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gRegorLove Yeah, that'd probably be a bad leak if it showed the audience the name of your list. :)
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aaronpk well yes and no
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aaronpk cause on the other hand, maybe i don't want you to know who else is in that list
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gRegorLove I mean, potentially, depending how you're naming your lists. "Not quite my best friends"
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gRegorLove Yeah, it does seem there should be an option to not show names
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aaronpk i'm totally on the fence about how i'm going to implement this myself
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tantek private events have that option
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tantek on FB
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tantek if you're looking for an example post (type) to document for that
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gRegorLove "When you use the Custom audience option to share a post with a list or specific people, the people you share the post with may be able to see each other's names." https://www.facebook.com/help/459934584025324/
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gRegorLove Not the most helpful answer.
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tantek it's a tough problem
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aaronpk i'm trying to improve my private webmention situation, so looking for the smallest thing i can do right now
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aaronpk i think i'm going to start with showing the full list of people a post is shared with, since that seems to be the simple case on facebook too
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tantek That's a good start. Also parallels the email "private post" UI
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tantek where everyone on the To or CC sees each other
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aaronpk ah yeah
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@calum_ryan Great to meet @hotzeplotz at HWC London this week! #indieweb https://twitter.com/calum_ryan/status/788843861028302848/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/788843861028302848)
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tantek hoping some photos were taken and posted from HWCs!
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aaronpk i'm trying this with a little "lock" icon https://aaronparecki.com/uploads/Screen-Shot-2016-10-19-14-02-28.png
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tantek silos gonna silo, your lightbulbs: https://twitter.com/Infoseepage/status/787940227625152513
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@Infoseepage @internetofshit Philips has AGAIN pushed a firmware update that "accidentally" caused all my 3rd party bulbs to stop working. (twitter.com/_/status/787940227625152513)
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aaronpk oh gosh
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aaronpk i have a philips hue, but i don't have any third party lightbulbs
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aaronpk i also don't install updates :P
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gRegorLove Ha "light bulbs... firmware" things I never expected to hear in the same sentence.
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aaronpk well technically the firmware is in the hub that controls the lightbulbs
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aaronpk the bulbs themselves aren't wifi, they are a separate protocol
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tantek aaronpk: just make sure your lightbulbs are not part of some DDoS botnet: http://blog.level3.com/security/attack-of-things/
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KartikPrabhu I await the day when my pencil stops working because it needs a firmware update
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aaronpk reviews his tutorial on how to receive private webmentions to attempt to add receiving to webmention.io https://indieweb.org/Private-Webmention#How_to_Receive_Private_Webmentions
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KevinMarks1 any things to plug specifically on TWiG?
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tantek November IndieWebCamps: Berlin, LA (11/5-6), MIT2 (11/16)
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tantek that's right, ben_thatmustbeme and I have confirmed a venue for a one-day IWC at MIT (thus indieweb.org/2016/MIT2)
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jonnybarnes hello
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@m_ott @bastianallgeier Speaking of @btconf: Will you come to Berlin in Nov? @sl007 also organised an #IndieWebCamp. ;) https://indieweb.org/2016/Berlin (twitter.com/_/status/788866653480185856)
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[schmarty] HWC Baltimore quiet writing hour beginning now.
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@ChrisAldrich Anyone have tandem ideas for #IndieWeb Camps in LA & Berlin w/ 9 hour delay? @sl007 @indiewebcamp @angelogladding http://indieweb.org/next-iwc (twitter.com/_/status/788872870629773312)
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Loqi [indieweb] " Anyone have tandem ideas for #IndieWeb Camps in LA & Berlin w/ 9 hour delay? @sl007 @indiewebcamp @angelogladding http://indieweb.org/next-iwc " by Chris Aldrich on 2016-10-19 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/anyone-have-tandem-ideas-for-indieweb-camps-in-la-berlin
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GWG Evening
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[schmarty] Evening!
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