#indieweb 2016-10-20

2016-10-20 UTC
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KevinMarks If I were building a demo of a content addressable web, which use case makes most sense to people?
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tantek solution looking for a use case?
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tantek how about secure image caches for people icons?
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KevinMarks 1. I have a page with links on. Some have gone away. I look up hashes for them and resolve with content addressing.
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KevinMarks Oh, that's an interesting one
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KevinMarks And a problem my site has
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KevinMarks 2. I have connectivity now. I fetch things into my local hash cache so they can be resolved later.
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KevinMarks A case where there is a lot of reposting of things is good
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KevinMarks 3. I am somewhere with filtered web. I use the URL to hash proxy to find unfiltered sources for things I need
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aaronpk What is ca3db?
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Loqi ca3db is a library for permanently storing multiple versions of user avatars found on social networks and websites https://indieweb.org/ca3db
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gRegorLove Interesting progress bars on https://timowens.io/
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Loqi 13125037_1044037405689675_8752402957478750614_n ...
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KevinMarks What hash do you use?
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gRegorLove I'm thinking about contact pages tonight, since mine has been "will be back soon!" over a year
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GWG What about them?
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KevinMarks Ah sha256. I could make a sha1 version that fits with what I have
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gRegorLove Making them.
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gRegorLove So mine isn't "will be back soon!" anymore :)
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gRegorLove Whoa, Loqi, what was that?
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Salt gRegorLove, did you get any wind during the stormpocalypse?
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gRegorLove Salt: Yeah, up round 50mph gusts
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ChrisAldrich AngeloGladding... You awake in there?
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Salt we had a couple, but very tame, especially compared to what was warned
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GWG ChrisAldrich, AngeloGladding: How are the plans for LA?
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AngeloGladding im here
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ChrisAldrich I did a quick count of most of the RSVPs, we're over 25 and climbing. I've been calling larger groups to extend broader invites, so things are going seemingly well.
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ChrisAldrich Angelo: i'm going to be stuck in traffic. If you want to set up a google hangout/other I can participate remotely so you're not by your lonesome tonight.
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ChrisAldrich I'm still doing a few things for $$ support/swag, but most of the technical side seems to be under control at the moment.
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GWG I need to do my Indie RSVP
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ChrisAldrich I'd be nice to try to arrange something with the Berlin group, but the 9 hour time difference may make doing that difficult.
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ChrisAldrich I've just realized today that I don't think that the Indie Event Shane did actually accepts incoming webmentions... May have to do a separate one just in case.
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AngeloGladding i just noticed that as well
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Salt gRegorLove, wanna volunteer for SeaGL *nudge nudge*
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ChrisAldrich GWG, I didn't count you in the numbers, so we've got one more! Huzzah.
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ChrisAldrich Angelo, any activity over there?
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gRegorLove When is it, Salt?
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Loqi what
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AngeloGladding no activity -- keeping an eye out
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ChrisAldrich Looked like there may have been as many as 4 others.
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AngeloGladding one just showed
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AngeloGladding what's your eta?
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GWG I will do whatever later.
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Salt gRegorLove, November 11/12
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ChrisAldrich angelo, I'm stuck with the 'lil tyke tonight, phoning it in is my only option sadly.
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AngeloGladding oh ok
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ChrisAldrich Angelo, https://www.meetup.com/Burbank-Coders-Meetup/ invited us all to join them in November. I'll talk to the organizer tomorrow and give them a reciprocal invite as well.
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gRegorLove Salt: Maybe, I'll check it out.
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ChrisAldrich I was excited to see that adactio RSVP'd to IWC LA.
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GWG adactio is coming? I've always wanted to meet adactio.
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GWG checks another IWC member off his list
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ChrisAldrich Me too...
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GWG I feel like I should make a Bingo card.
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ChrisAldrich #IndieWebBingo
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gRegorLove Aw man, now I gotta come :)
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Salt d
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GWG gRegorLove: If you come to LA, my offer still stands.
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ChrisAldrich B15: gRegorLove
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gRegorLove Haha
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Loqi rofl
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gRegorLove I wish, but don't think I can. Need to figure out holiday travel plans.
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GWG ChrisAldrich: Where am I on the Bingo card?
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gRegorLove The free space for indieweb bingo is the word "silo"
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ChrisAldrich GWG: in the G column naturally. Maybe 62?
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GWG ChrisAldrich: Okay.
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ChrisAldrich http://myfreebingocards.com/
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ChrisAldrich What is IndieWeb Bingo?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "IndieWeb Bingo" yet. Would you like to create it?
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ChrisAldrich Take it away GWG... ;)
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gRegorLove Heh. That could be a mixer game. Bingo cards with attendees names.
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GWG IndieWeb Bingo is a game played by IndieWebCamp attendees to see how many community members they can meet.
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Loqi ok
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ChrisAldrich angelogladding: don't forget to get a photo...
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AngeloGladding KevinMarks++
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Loqi kevinmarks has 254 karma (200 in this channel)
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AngeloGladding for front page HN w/ a quality post on accessibility -- https://backchannel.com/how-the-web-became-unreadable-a781ddc711b6
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AngeloGladding solarized++
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Loqi solarized has 1 karma
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AngeloGladding for a designer doing it right
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KevinMarks Oh boy, do I need to go to hn and read comments?
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AngeloGladding heh you're good -- hard to disagree w/ your post -- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12743628
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KevinMarks Well, they found ways to agree with it that are wrong and foolish. I don't want a war on designers
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AngeloGladding not too many designers on HN so I'm not surprised
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AngeloGladding and not too many designers gernerally consider web accessibility
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AngeloGladding not to be hyperbolic but it's pretty sad
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AngeloGladding so thank you for getting a conversation going
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AngeloGladding KevinMarks are you familiar w/ http://ethanschoonover.com/solarized ?
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[kevinmarks] Someone else mentioned that. I find it too low contrast myself
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[kevinmarks] Especially on mobile
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[kevinmarks] But it may make sense on a fancy desktop monitor.
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AngeloGladding 4.7:1 default, 5.6:1 emphasized text
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AngeloGladding so not even 7:1
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AngeloGladding the bigger factor for me is black on white while browsing at night
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cweiske android has a "invert colors" setting for that
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AngeloGladding have you had success w/ that feature in general?
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AngeloGladding i believe opera pioneered that tech many years ago but frankly even white on black bothers me
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cweiske I don't use it
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strugee heya
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strugee am I the only one seeing pin13 on https://webmention.io/?
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cweiske probably.
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strugee nvm, fixed
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strugee weird
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bear github is having issues - https://twitter.com/githubstatus/status/789001978022166528
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@githubstatus We are investigating intermittent connection issues to https://t.co/IEoI8IWMw9. (twitter.com/_/status/789001978022166528)
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Loqi We are investigating intermittent connection issues to GitHub.com. https://status.github.com/
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@jkphl ⌛ Finally ordering the @indiewebcamp hoodies in ~1 hr. If you're quick, you still have a (very last) chance ☞ https://indieweb.org/2016/Berlin%23IndieWebCamp_Hoodies (twitter.com/_/status/789011226756022272)
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@Moturoais Made a film and wondering what to do with it? How about putting it on the INC ch. on #Roku / #RokuUK ? #indie #indiefilm #indieweb #fanfilm (twitter.com/_/status/789064959552397312)
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sl007 aaronpk - also interesting what's coming up "It's a standards-track proposal at the W3C that gives developers programmatic access to a browser's credential manager and helps users sign in more easily." https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2016/04/credential-management-api and https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/18GCUKT3X0A9BQRSJljXKo2ucCsIWPHFplBKZg1Ve3_s/preview?hl=de&forcehl=1&slide=id.g16c14f1065_0_0
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sl007 !tell webrocker Do you attend IndieWebCamp Berlin ?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmustbeme good morning #indieweb!
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aaronpk morning!
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aaronpk sl007: interesting, although I don't see how that helps with federation. it looks like it's basically a JS API to use the password manager
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sl007 aaronpk: While I also did not understand what the presentation means by "Stores federated account selections" I thought maybe we could store the me-URL in the browser instead of a username - but I did not find the time to look into it. btw: Just bought nice name badges, sticky notes, pens and sweets for Berlin ;)
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aaronpk i'll keep looking into it
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sl007 ok
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sknebel sl007: all other preparations also running nicely/anything you need help with?
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sl007 sknebel: well, for the moment it's easygoing
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sknebel sl007++ nice to hear
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Loqi sl007 has 2 karma
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sl007 sknebel + + whatever karma means
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sl007 aaronpk: Based on redaktor's default CSS template I made static pages for the views of IndieAuth-node - just the first two pages are done - however - sneak preview : https://redaktor.circinus.uberspace.de/indieAuth
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aaronpk oh wow you're making a whole indieauth.com clone?
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aaronpk very cool
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sl007 yes, I mean basically I like "old school styles". Trying to make it timeless :)
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sl007 In general I like the idea of shipping such a site with the code. Helps the author to keep both in sync and helps the user with docs.
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sl007 [off topic, regarding SSL]: really wondering there are no english reports about commodo, the certificate vendor / authority. They used OCR to scrape the mail from WHOIS but the OCR had reproducible faults and clever guys managed to get SSL certs. for foreign sites, german report: http://m.heise.de/security/meldung/Zertifikats-Klau-Fatale-Sehschwaeche-bei-Comodo-3354229.html
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sl007 aaronpk: Clone will differ in some points, e.g. I plan to make REDIS optional because I think it would be a barrier to install on some "mass hosters" - I mean it is not as important for self hosting than for a page like indieauth.com (?) and it would differ in the sinatra vs. express parts …
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aaronpk i meant functionally a clone, backend tech isn't really relevant to the user experience
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sl007 The <progress> is cool. Working it out now ...
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aaronpk yeah the progress bar I added shortly after I launched it without that. before, it would do all the checks synchronously so the page just took forever to load.
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Loqi [indieweb] "“…it reinforces your echo chamber. We’re all helplessly spiraling into corners &amp; bellowing at each other” http://www.vulture.com/2016/10/black-mirror-charlie-brooker-c-v-r.html#it%20reinforces%20your%20echo%20chamber.%20We%E2%80%99re%20all%20helplessly%20spiraling%20into%20corners%20and%20bellowing%20at%20each%20other #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2016-10-18 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/it-reinforces-your-echo-chamber-were-all-helplessly-spiraling-into
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aaronpk I (think I) support receiving private webmentions now!
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aaronpk took a bit of work to make that work all the way through all the parts involved in my setup
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aaronpk so if someone wants to send me a private webmention I would appreciate it! you can comment on a post and you won't see the comment but the comment count will go up
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ben_thatmustbeme cool, i want to work on that soon too
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gRegorLove Good afternoon, indieweb
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aaronpk good afternoon!
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aaronpk gRegorLove: want to try sending me a private webmention?
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gRegorLove Sure
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gRegorLove To a specific post aaronpk?
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aaronpk any!
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aaronpk my latest one is about that so maybe that one
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gRegorLove Sent
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aaronpk hmm something didn't work
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aaronpk it looks like it fetched the page and then didn't find a link to my post
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gRegorLove aaronpk: Here's the HTML http://pin13.net/mf2/?id=20161020200400098
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gRegorLove it's my older reply-context format, so maybe something's off there
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aaronpk my first check doesn't even parse mf2 so it should find that. can you try again? i have a debug line now.
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gRegorLove Discovered just now that my reply-context author parsing doesn't handle yours, so used the old version, just the link :)
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gRegorLove Sent
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aaronpk okay yeah it definitely got the access token this time
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@schmarty Excited that I can now more easily post events to my own website from https://t.co/zYneaP03Md. #indieweb #micropub https://twitter.com/schmarty/status/789200443008135168/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/789200443008135168)
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gRegorLove Did my endpoint not return the authorization code the first time?
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aaronpk i'm sure it did. i think it's something wrong with webmention.io -> xray
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aaronpk gRegorLove: looks like the authentication to your post isn't working
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aaronpk i get an HTTP 200 OK from the post when there's no access token. that should return HTTP 401 for starters.
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aaronpk but even when i include the access token I get the same response. I'm sending "Authorization: Bearer xxxxx"
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@ChrisAldrich I just noticed this subtle comment hiding in the source of my @WithKnown powered site: "To silo is human, to syndicate divine." #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/789215756751822848)
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Loqi [indieweb] "I just noticed this subtle comment hiding in the source of my @WithKnown powered site: "To silo is human, to syndicate divine." #IndieWeb" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-10-20 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/i-just-noticed-this-subtle-comment-hiding-in-the-source
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@scott_gruber I’m looking forward to the upcoming @indiewebcamp here in Los Angeles. If you’re interested to attend here is link https://indieweb.org/2016/LA (twitter.com/_/status/789233944625459200)
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KevinMarks1 hm someone added a strobing svg to svgur.com - I noe need another 55 uploads so it's off the front page
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aaronpk lol
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tantek KevinMarks: uh oh is that strobing at 6-8 Hz?
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bear that is making my eyes hurt
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tantek KevinMarks: sounds like you need a moderation UI for svgur.com as well as a "NIPSA" setting per photo or user
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tantek what is moderation?
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Loqi Moderation is the process of holding comments for review by a human, and sometimes a source of frustration when a comment is written on another site that the commenter has no control over https://indieweb.org/moderation
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tantek what is NIPSA?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "NIPSA" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek NIPSA is an acronym for Not In Public Site Areas, and an admin feature of [[Flickr]] that allows their support staff to mark an account such that posts from it will not be shown in search results and other similar public views of posts.
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Loqi ok
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tantek looks for a better citation than Quora
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tantek NIPSA << https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN14242.html
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Loqi ok, I added "https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN14242.html" to the "See Also" section of /NIPSA
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