#indieweb 2016-11-01

2016-11-01 UTC
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[shaners] aaronpk: Dark Matter doesn’t have any webmention implementation yet. :confused:
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KevinMarks_ Should I do one for webmention.herokuapp.com?
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[shaners] Indie Web logo design proposal : https://indieweb.org/logo#Indie_Web
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miklb shaners++
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Loqi shaners has 55 karma in this channel (59 overall)
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miklb I think when you introduce color and give the the back of the cube some depth it will really stand out.
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gRegorLove Hey shaners, nice to see you back. Logo looks good
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KevinMarks Yet more u- style stuff: http://csswizardry.com/2015/03/more-transparent-ui-code-with-namespaces/#the-namespaces
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KartikPrabhu it is a BEM thing
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KartikPrabhu i think
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KevinMarks From facebook: "We thought you'd like to look back on this post from 31 years ago." - your founder was 1year old then. What?
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KevinMarks it's not just BEM, this is ITCSS, via https://hackernoon.com/css-at-bbc-sport-part-1-bab546184e66#.n9lne7yk2
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KartikPrabhu MZ is a prescient genius, dont you know?
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snarfed bem itcss mz omg
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@calum_ryan ? Homebrew Website Club London tomorrow! Nov 2nd 18:30 https://calumryan.com/event/hwc-20161102/ Wiki https://indieweb.org/events/2016-11-02-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/793388973703983104)
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KevinMarks_ site-deaths << http://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/vine-and-the-new-gatekeepers-of-self-expression
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Loqi ok, I added "http://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/vine-and-the-new-gatekeepers-of-self-expression" to the "See Also" section of /site-deaths
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tantek what is PubSub?
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Loqi PubSub, also known as PubSubHubbub or PuSH is a notification-based protocol for publishing and subscribing to streams and legacy feed files in real time https://indieweb.org/PubSub
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@kevinmarks “Ultimately, it comes down to two things: ownership and control.” - @waxpancake http://waxy.org/2016/11/redesigning-waxy-2016-edition/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/793491145376411649)
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Loqi [indieweb] "“Ultimately, it comes down to two things: ownership and control.” - @waxpancake http://waxy.org/2016/11/redesigning-waxy-2016-edition/ #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2016-11-01 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/ultimately-it-comes-down-to-two-things-ownership-and-control
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@lawduck Re LRT, I can't overemphasize how endearment with platforms like Medium, etc., are not, and will never be, on your terms. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/793494157893378048)
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bnvk who's going to be in Berlin this weekend? :)
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strugee hey, all
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strugee just wanted to stop by and see if https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.io/issues/77 actually makes sense
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strugee my understanding of Webmention and related things is a little hazy, but there _are_ multiple kinds of webmention, right?
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strugee I've looked for a list of different kinds but haven't found any, although there are individual pages on the wiki, like e.g. "like"
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aaronpk waves to strugee
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aaronpk have you seen https://webmention.rocks?
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snarfed strugee: https://github.com/voxpelli/node-webmention-testpinger ?
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snarfed (aaronpk wm.rocks doesn't yet send wms with different mf2 post types, right?)
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strugee aaronpk: _thank_ you
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strugee I remembered that site from your demos but didn't remember the URL :P
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voxpelli PR:s to testpinger are very welcome!
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strugee snarfed: I saw that too, thanks
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voxpelli if only to add ones own mf2 markup or to make a sentient beast of a test tool, I'll accept both (I think)
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strugee the problem with both node-webmention-testpinger and webmention.rocks is that they essentially send bogus data to production sites
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strugee which isn't the end of the world but would be neat to avoid :P
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aaronpk production sites?
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strugee by "production" I mean "not localhost:8080"
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aaronpk webmention.rocks only sends stuff to URLs you prove you own
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strugee right what I meant was
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snarfed strugee: yup. unclear what to do about that though.
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strugee if possible I'd rather not have a bunch of test webmentions show up in a random post on my blog for everyone on the internet
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snarfed options: use ngrok.io, delete the wms after they arrive, configure your server to temporarily not show new wms while you run them
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strugee again, not the end of the world :)
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aaronpk ngrok++
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strugee looks
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voxpelli strugee: have you looked at testpinger? It's built so that it isn't accessible outside your local machine
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aaronpk yeah testpinger is good for testing against localhost specifically
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voxpelli It even exposes the data so one can run them in automated tests in addition to as a cli tool (my webmention endpoint does so)
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strugee yeah the problem with testpinger for me is that I use webmention.io
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aaronpk lol!
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strugee so localhost stuff doesn't really work :P
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voxpelli strugee: then aaronpk should do what I do and provide a way to show example data in an embed ;)
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strugee is afk for 5-10 minutes
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aaronpk example data in an embed?
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snarfed strugee: i used ngrok.io with http://micropub.rocks/ to test a server on localhost pretty extensively, worked great
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voxpelli My endpoint has built in example data available through a query param: https://webmention.herokuapp.com/documentation.html
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voxpelli Was required as I don't provide any CSS for my embed and people apparently wants their embeds to look good from start :P
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voxpelli Ngrok is awesome :) Used it a lot as well
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strugee voxpelli: yeah, that's basically what I'm looking for, but for webmention.io ;)
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strugee maybe I should switch to webmention.herokuapp.com
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strugee but then I gotta migrate existing mentions somehow and... eh
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aaronpk hm now i'm confused about the problem
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strugee aaronpk: basically the problem is that I have a static site, so mentions are pulled with client-side JS from webmention.io
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strugee but I can't test with different kinds of webmentions since my site hasn't received a bunch yet
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aaronpk ah you're trying to test *styling* of the mentions?
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strugee so aaronpk/webmentions.io#77 is about adding a way to tell webmention.io to return a bunch of dummy data
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strugee aaronpk: yeah basically
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strugee and how the different fields of the response are handled, etc.
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aaronpk ok now i see how that relates to webmention.io better
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strugee yep :)
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strugee aaronpk: is https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.io/issues/77#issuecomment-257652504 still accurate given the above discussion?
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aaronpk hm, no i'll update
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strugee neat-o! \o/
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strugee aaronpk++
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bnvk a pretty decent implementation of GNUSocial, check it out https://mastodon.social
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bnvk what is IW position / thoughts on GNUSocial, BTW?
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aaronpk there's a gnusocial webmention plugin!
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aaronpk they've been making progress on adding h-entry and such
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aaronpk what is gnusocial
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Loqi GNU social is a free software project that "will be a decentralized social network that you can install on your own server" https://indieweb.org/gnusocial
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strugee in the pump.io project we've also talked about making GNU Social use the newer SocialWG protocols
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bnvk aaronpk: ah, nice. So it interops with IW to some degree.
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strugee dunno if it'll ever happen but
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bnvk strugee: IIUC, does pump.io federate with GNU Social?
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strugee nope
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strugee not ATM anyway
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@karlgroves #Berlin #webdev Look for me poking around at IndieWebCamp November 6. https://indieweb.org/2016/Berlin (twitter.com/_/status/793559195157168128)
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gRegorLove snarfed: With Granary and Facebook, do I need to make a FB app too, or what do I put in for actividy_id?
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gRegorLove Wait, think it's a page that this account manages. Maybe Granary doesn't do that.
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snarfed gRegorLove: i assume you're using the REST API? ie not using granary as a library?
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snarfed granary can definitely do FB pages
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gRegorLove snarfed: I've just logged in to FB through granary and clicked "Get", no results.
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gRegorLove access token is filled in, but activity_id isn't. Not sure what the latter should be.
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snarfed you logged into granary as the page?
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snarfed activity_id is optional, for fetching a single post
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gRegorLove No, as the account managing the page, it appears
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snarfed for pagtes, the granary demo app might not ask for all the permissions it needs
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snarfed try plugging that token into https://developers.facebook.com/tools/explorer/ and requesting /me/feed
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gRegorLove Blank. I see an option to "Get Page Access Tokens" there though, so I think that works.
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snarfed also the web UI doesn't really handle FB pages, you'd need to either get a page token yourself through FB's dev UI or write a bit of code to get one
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snarfed right
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gRegorLove Yeah, that should work. I'm just exploring this as an option to Zapier
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@techliminal This weekend: don't miss @indiewebcamp in #LA! You can still register at https://www.eventbrite.com/e/indiewebcamp-la-2016-tickets-24335345674?ref=ebapi #IndieWebCamp (twitter.com/_/status/793569658251141121)
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gRegorLove Sweet, works when I replace with the page access token. Thanks snarfed!
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snarfed yay np!
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@ChrisAldrich Closing in on over 50+ people interested in hacking on their own websites for IndieWebCamp… http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/closing-in-on-over-50-people-interested-in-hacking-on https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/status/793572235441082371/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/793572235441082371)
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[benatwork] Totally just gave The Webmention Demo. Makes me happy every single time.
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aaronpk nice
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snarfed1 [benatwork]++
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Loqi benatwork has 2 karma
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aaronpk it's kind of magical
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[benatwork] I think webmention in itself needs a lot more publicity - I was demoing to web developers because they'd never heard of it
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[benatwork] (Despite it definitely not being the first time I've brought it up)
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[benatwork] The W3C has piqued interest
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KevinMarks1 If you so it with webmention.herokuapp.com you can have it appear live in a window as you post
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KevinMarks1 with Known, as it's synchronous, the mention appears on kevinmarks.com before the post displays
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[benatwork] Nice
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aaronpk https://webmention.rocks will show comments in realtime too
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KevinMarks1 next demo is reply to a post on woodwind, see it appear on the post in real time, and it has gone to known inbetween
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[benatwork] That's definitely demo 2 - add a layer. (And of course where I'm demoing, "and Kyle wrote this bit" will go down well)
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@benwerd "You could, at this time, make a solid argument that AMP is the future of the web." http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/6/13188306/refreshing-the-verge-facebook-video-google-amp-future-of-the-web #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/793590782376542208)
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Loqi [indieweb] ""You could, at this time, make a solid argument that AMP is the future of the web." http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/6/13188306/refreshing-the-verge-facebook-video-google-amp-future-of-the-web #indieweb" by Ben Werdmüller on 2016-11-01 http://werd.io/2016/you-could-at-this-time-make-a-solid-argument-that
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KevinMarks1 microfomat your AMP
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KevinMarks1 https://mastodon.social/users/kevinmarks/updates/24719
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GWG snarfed, I wanted to make sure.
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KevinMarks1 what is mastodon?
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Loqi Mastodon is an implementation of a federated social network that is compatible with GNU Social https://indieweb.org/Mastodon
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