#indieweb 2016-11-02

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wagle just in case this wasnt didnt hit the radar: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20161031/16061635929/copyright-office-fucks-over-thousands-sites-with-plans-to-remove-their-dmca-safe-harbors.shtml
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wagle s/wasnt //
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gRegorLove What is DMCA?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "DMCA" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek good evening #indieweb
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GWG Good evening, tantek
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GWG Looking forward to the coming days?
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strugee waves at tantek
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tantek GWG, looking forward to your Webmention implementation report for your WordPress plugin!
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GWG tantek: The one I wrote or the one I contribute to that pfefferle initiated?
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GWG A lot of the changes I made in my reimplementation, pfefferle is merging into the current one
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tantek GWG - looking here - https://github.com/w3c/webmention/tree/master/implementation-reports - I don't see either
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tantek GWG, the one you are running on your site *right now*
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GWG tantek: I'm still running the pfefferle branch
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tantek GWG, that should be fine, just label the implementation report accordingly
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GWG To be honest, when he asked for a PR for the changes, I thought we'd have a new stable version soon, so I put off the report.
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GWG We're still working it out.
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tantek GWG, I too put off the report too long, trying to get more functionality into Falcon
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tantek but the time has come to pull the trigger as it were. Webmention is a Proposed Recommendation
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tantek which means you should file a report on whatever you have running live on your site *now*
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tantek and you can always update the report later
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GWG But either way, I'm off to LA tomorrow night. I'll see when I get there about writing the report on the soon to be released stable one.
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tantek GWG, start with writing the report on what is running on your site now
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tantek you can update it later to the "soon to be released stable one" when it is released and you're running it
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GWG Well, not sure I can write it on the plane. If not, Thursday night is open.
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tantek GWG, it should literally take you minutes, like under 15min
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GWG I'm heading to bed in a few. Then work all day, fly all night, collapse into Pacific time, then a tour on Thursday at 11AM.
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GWG I really need to relax more on my time off.
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tantek yes that's true too!
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GWG I meant, a less hectic schedule.
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GWG Indieweb stuff is relaxing for me sometimes.
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snarfed GWG++ in advance for doing a wm implementation report!
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Loqi gwg has 172 karma in this channel (187 overall)
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GWG snarfed: You are actually running a later version on your site. But either way, I'll try to write it
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snarfed GWG: easy to downgrade, i'd be happy to run any version that works!
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snarfed (wordpress webmention currently broken for me :/ https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-webmention/issues/98 )
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KartikPrabhu damn! I missed the 10 year mark of my first (imported) post on my site!
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KartikPrabhu and the 3 year mark of the actual first post on my site
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@m_ott I’ll be at the #IndieWebCamp Berlin next weekend. Join us and learn how to go indie and own your content! https://indieweb.org/2016/Berlin (twitter.com/_/status/793713148196954112)
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sl007 just btw - rel="noopener" also landed in FF nightly https://mathiasbynens.github.io/rel-noopener/
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Loqi sl007: KartikPrabhu left you a message 2 days, 10 hours ago: for rel being page-scoped see answer to this: http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry#What_about_rel_bookmark
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@miranj Webmention is now a Proposed Recommendation: https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5916 What’s a webmention? Here: https://indieweb.org/Webmention (twitter.com/_/status/793729508578766848)
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@voxpelli @Lady_Ada_King How does this compare to the IndieWeb approach of just progressively enhancing ones blog into a social media node? (twitter.com/_/status/793736618586804225)
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sl007 sknebel : Where should I order croissants for breakfast - good bakery nearby Mozilla? Sad news: There is no Air Mozilla support at the weekend, so the stream will end in "vidyo" - wouldn't it be possible to build a proxy to forward to youtube? I have NO experience with vidyo …
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sl007 What is vidyo?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "vidyo" yet. Would you like to create it?
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sknebel !tell sl007: no idea re breakfast sources, sorry. I'll try to read up on vidyo, but it seems to be a pretty closed commercial product from first impressions
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk sl007: you'll be able to use the vidyo system at mozilla? It should record on its own and publish on air.mozilla.org from what I understand. That seems fine.
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sl007 aaronpk: That's correct. I'll also try to setup a dedicated laptop which could "screencast" vidyo live to the indieweb youtube channel
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Loqi sl007: sknebel left you a message 1 hour, 7 minutes ago: no idea re breakfast sources, sorry. I'll try to read up on vidyo, but it seems to be a pretty closed commercial product from first impressions
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sknebel screencasting is an idea
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sl007 sknebel++ yep
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Loqi sknebel has 11 karma in this channel (15 overall)
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sknebel Vidyo seems to have quite a few options, so maybe we can make the stream through their system available directly as well
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sknebel e.g. invite the stream watchers in a "video conference" or something
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aaronpk yeah probably best bet is to just use their system for everything, and then try to download the video afterwards so we can upload it to our own youtube account later
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sl007 sknebel: Yes, I read that. But it seems they have to download a very commercial (same impression) plugin. Mozilla also told we should order the food ourselve via heycater and some suggestions are [+2] https://www.heycater.com/de/berlin/caterer/burro-e-sale/72-lasagne-kalbfleisch-fenchel-ragu-oder-aubergine-mit-salat?event_date=05.11.2016&event_start_time=12%3A00&number_of_people=35
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sl007 <https://www.heycater.com/de/berlin/caterer/burro-e-sale/72-lasagne-kalbfleisch-fenchel-ragu-oder-aubergine-mit-salat?event_date=05.11.2016&event_start_time=12:00&number_of_people=35>
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sl007 [+1]
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sl007 oder
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sl007 <https://www.heycater.com/de/berlin/caterer/aveato/713-heycater-!-snack-selection-berlin?event_date=05.11.2016&event_start_time=12:00&number_of_people=35>
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sl007 https://www.heycater.com/de/berlin/caterer/aveato/713-heycater-!-snack-selection-berlin?event_date=05.11.2016&event_start_time=12%3A00&number_of_people=35
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sl007 oder
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sl007 [+2]
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sl007 https://www.heycater.com/de/berlin/caterer/brotundzeit/1043-dreierlei-wraps-mit-avocado-haehnchen-und-gemuese?event_date=05.11.2016&event_start_time=12%3A00&number_of_people=35
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sl007 <https://www.heycater.com/de/berlin/caterer/brotundzeit/1043-dreierlei-wraps-mit-avocado-haehnchen-und-gemuese?event_date=05.11.2016&event_start_time=12:00&number_of_people=35>
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sl007 aaronpk: We will do so. Or as said you could give me the indieweb youtube account access and I could stream it via a dedicated laptop as said alternating with LA.
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aaronpk sure, what's your google account? I can add you as a manager on the page
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sl007 aaronpk: https://plus.google.com/+SebastianLasse
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aaronpk done
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@sl007 @ChrisAldrich https://indieweb.org/2016/Berlin ? expects 50 people as well. Leaving it open for * 1 more day * ! Last and ur… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/793819391825743872 (twitter.com/_/status/793819391825743872)
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sknebel sl007: re food, the aveato guys have a few other plates with different stuff as well, maybe a mix of those would be good? (I personally am biased towards finger-food with many options)
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sknebel so I'd vote for that or the wraps
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aaronpk I'm sad I won't be in Berlin this weekend! Hope you all have a fun time!
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aaronpk sknebel: you should talk about private webmention again and see if you can get someone else to implement it with you!
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sknebel I'll have to see how much i manage beforehand, if I don't making nice UI for it is going to be the hackday project
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sl007 sknebel: and we should take about i18n (finally) - btw : everybody can support turkey here somehow https://correctiv.org/l/tuerkei/
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@twoodwar @MarkMorvant @kinlane I don't know if I'm even saying the words I say correctly but this is the link https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/793832548505755649)
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tantek good morning #indieweb!
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dansup good morning tantek
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tantek so... https://mastodon.social/ "502 Bad Gateway nginx/1.9.3 (Ubuntu)"
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tantek anyone here have any luck with it?
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tantek what is mastodon.social?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "mastodon.social" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek good morning dansup! add yourself to https://indieweb.org/irc-people so you show up linked and with an icon in the logs! https://chat.indieweb.org/2016-11-02/1478101295881000
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dansup tantek, sure thing! I have to get my personal website up first
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tantek yes!
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aaronpk my media endpoint has collected about 2.5g of images so far! more than i expected!
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aaronpk time to move it to dreamhost where i have unlimited storage!
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KevinMarks_ mastodon.social is [[mastodon]]
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KevinMarks_ Too late?
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tantek what is mastodon.social?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "mastodon.social" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek KevinMarks_: yes to late. 9:35-8:49 = 46 min > 10 min threshold
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tantek s/to late/too late
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KevinMarks_ mastodon.social is [[mastodon]]
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Loqi ok
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tantek what is mastodon?
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Loqi Mastodon is an implementation of a federated social network that is compatible with GNU Social https://indieweb.org/Mastodon
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KevinMarks_ See https://github.com/Gargron/mastodon/issues/121 and https://github.com/Gargron/mastodon/issues/122
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tantek Kevinmarks, added. Can you see and add more details to: https://indieweb.org/Mastodon#IndieWeb_Support ?
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Loqi [indieweb] "First owned like from Flickr" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-11-02 http://boffosocko.com/2016/11/02/first-owned-like-from-flickr/
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@ChrisAldrich I own all my photos posted to #Flickr using POSSE. Just owned 1st like coming back! Thanks Brid.gy & #IndieWeb! http://boffosocko.com/2016/11/02/first-owned-like-from-flickr/ (twitter.com/_/status/793862695934058496)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Happy Halloween ? by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-11-02 http://boffosocko.com/2016/10/31/happy-halloween/#comment-32593
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tantek I want to document the features / interaction going on in this thread: https://twitter.com/mdvfunes/status/793771622847176704
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@mdvfunes @withknown Help? I am trying to delete my free site https://mdvfunes.withknown.com/ Can you help? Fine to delete as is. TY (twitter.com/_/status/793771622847176704)
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tantek what feature would you call that of a silo / site / service? account deletion?
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GWG Howdy
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tantek what is account deletion?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "account deletion" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek account deletion is a common feature on [[silos]] and other services that allows a user to request that their account and information on the service be deleted and closed. Sometimes these requests come from outside the service itself, like https://twitter.com/mdvfunes/status/793771622847176704
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Loqi ok
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@mdvfunes @withknown Help? I am trying to delete my free site https://mdvfunes.withknown.com/ Can you help? Fine to delete as is. TY (twitter.com/_/status/793771622847176704)
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tantek curious if they checked for a rel me to confirm identity consolidation with the twitter account first
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aaronpk i was wondering that too
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@EatPodcast Trying to go a little further into Indieweb using my @withknown site. (https://t.co/4AjBRdUWso) (twitter.com/_/status/793873107475988480)
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tantek what is pdf;dr?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "pdf;dr" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek hmm
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tantek what is js;dr?
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Loqi js;dr is JavaScript required; Didn’t Read https://indieweb.org/js;dr
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tantek https://twitter.com/i/notifications noscript redirects to https://mobile.twitter.com/i/notifications "Sorry, that page doesn't exist"
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tantek pdf;dr is when you avoid clicking a link because it's a PDF.
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Loqi ok
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tantek pdf;dr << http://tantek.com/2013/305/t2/pdf-dr-avoid-clicking-link-pdf
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Loqi ok, I added "http://tantek.com/2013/305/t2/pdf-dr-avoid-clicking-link-pdf" to the "See Also" section of /pdf;dr
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] pdf;dr - when you avoid clicking a link because it's a PDF. based on tl;dr. similar: tos;dr. "pdf;dr" is ungoogleable. Earlier references welcome. "-;dr" is becoming a suffix according to @snarfed_org who also pointed out tos;dr, e.g. http://tosdr.or...
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tantek pdf;dr << https://twitter.com/stevefaulkner/status/793399153703419904
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/stevefaulkner/status/793399153703419904" to the "See Also" section of /pdf;dr
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@stevefaulkner "We also learnt that many assistive tech users found PDFs hard to use & asked for content to be in HTML instead." https://accessibility.blog.gov.uk/2016/11/01/results-of-the-2016-gov-uk-assistive-technology-survey/ (twitter.com/_/status/793399153703419904)
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tantek js;dr made it into print: https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/792452368562618369
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@jkphl Sweet #indieweb shout-out in @heydonworks "Inclusive design patterns". Thoroughly enjoying it. ? backup for Wednesd… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/792452368562618369 (twitter.com/_/status/792452368562618369)
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aaronpk well now it's official
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tantek js;dr << https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/792452368562618369 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cv9bNjYW8AAHOac.jpg
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/792452368562618369 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cv9bNjYW8AAHOac.jpg" to the "See Also" section of /js;dr
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@jkphl Sweet #indieweb shout-out in @heydonworks "Inclusive design patterns". Thoroughly enjoying it. ? backup for Wednesd… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/792452368562618369 (twitter.com/_/status/792452368562618369)
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@t @jkphl nice find and thanks @heydonworks! What page number? Book or Kindle? Add citation here? https://indieweb.org/js;dr%23See_Also (ttk.me t4k72) (twitter.com/_/status/793883495122636800)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on First owned like from Flickr by I recently started to own all my photos being posted to Flickr using POSSE. I just owned my first "like" coming back via Brid.gy! Thanks Brid.gy and IndieWeb!" by I recently started to own all my photos being posted to Flickr using POSSE. I just owned my first &#34;like&#34; coming back via Brid.gy! Thanks Brid.gy and IndieWeb! on 2016-11-02 http://boffosocko.com/2016/11/02/first-owned-like-from-flickr/#comment-32593
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "A decade on Twitter" https://adactio.com/journal/11436 (from https://aaronparecki.com/2016/11/02/4/)
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AndChat|374100 Good evening from HWC London
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calumryan Just myself out tonight
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sl007 sknebel - how many food positions ? Tickets : 50, Guest List less …
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tantek calumryan: still no sign of tommorris? hope he's ok!
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calumryan tantek: no haven't seen him since the June event, I hope to schedule fortnightly from now on and hopefully get some more attendance.
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tantek I think fortnightly helps people plan better
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sknebel sl007: no idea. ping aaronpk tantek
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aaronpk eh?
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tantek nice indieweb post by adactio: https://adactio.com/journal/11436
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Loqi [Jeremy Keith] A decade on Twitter
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tantek let's see what happens if I RSVP again
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sknebel aaronpk: what percentage does turn up in the end?
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sknebel at IWCs?
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aaronpk ah, normally we've been at 50-60%
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tantek calumryan - did I see that you filed a webmention implementation report?
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aaronpk interestingly, charging $5 for the PDX one this year didn't actually have much of an effect
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aaronpk we might have to increase the ticket cost in order to increase turnout rates
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tantek heh
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tantek does that mean that money helped with food at least?
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aaronpk yep it did
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sl007 aaronpk tantek : 50 people got "tickets" for Berlin, wiki guest list is 25 - how many food should I order now? 30 / 35 / 40
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tantek sl007 I'd say 50% offhand as well
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aaronpk did people add themselves to the wiki?
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tantek but check data specifics with jkphl and marcthiele re: numbers from IWC Nürnberg and Düsseldorf
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aaronpk the people who do usually have a higher turnout rate
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aaronpk so i would count on like 90% of those 25 being there, and then half of the other 25
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calumryan tantek: not me, implementation of it currently limited to receiving whilst I'm working on the sending of webmentions which kind of works but gets more complex with a hybrid Jekyll/LAMP setup
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sl007 DUS was 70 : 40 - we need a learning algorithm for that !
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tantek calumryan: that's ok! you can file a receiver only implementation report
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tantek sl007 - note that on the page!
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tantek on /2016/Düsseldorf
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tantek bunch of topics for tonight: https://indieweb.org/events/2016-11-02-homebrew-website-club#Topics
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tantek Jeena - did you get a photo for HWC Göteborg?
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tantek hmm - if a webmention receiver is only going to display RSVP status (and none of any accompanying comment) then perhaps it should collapse them from the same person? e.g. http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/homebrew-website-club-san-francisco-2016-11-02
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club San Francisco 2016-11-02
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tantek issue filed: https://github.com/idno/Known/issues/1591
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Automatically uploading screenshots to a Micropub Media Endpoint" https://aaronparecki.com/2016/11/02/5/screenshots
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aaronpk there we go
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aaronpk now i wont forget
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ben_thatmustbeme nicely done
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tantek aaronpk++ that is super cool
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Loqi aaronpk has 434 karma in this channel (1130 overall)
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tantek what is a screenshot?
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Loqi A screenshot is an image of a computer screen or a website https://indieweb.org/screenshot
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tantek ^^^ that post is worth adding explicitly to IndieWeb Examples
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miklb Loqi tell calumryan I'd love to discuss your jekyll sending webmentions workflow and compare notes
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tantek !tell miklb you want to start your tell with !tell ircnickname then message :)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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miklb ah. I've been using my bot in another irc channel and forgot the shortcut :-)
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miklb !tell calumryan I'd love to discuss your jekyll sending webmentions workflow and compare notes
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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miklb tantek thanks
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tantek np!
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tantek miklb - btw have you filed a Webmention implementation report? https://github.com/w3c/webmention/tree/master/implementation-reports
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miklb tantek not really, since I primarily rely on webmention.io and bridgy
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miklb but I guess my customized version of Aaron Gustfason's Jekyll plugin handles the sending…hmm
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tantek miklb how do you send webmentions to links you write in your posts?
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tantek right!
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tantek that would be good to write up
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miklb is there a deadline for the reports?
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miklb I would have time on Friday
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Loqi [indieweb] "Downloaded My TwitPic Archive" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-11-02 http://boffosocko.com/2016/11/02/downloaded-my-twitpic-archive/
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@ChrisAldrich While I was updating #Indieweb /site-deaths I was reminded to download my @TwitPic archive. #ownyourowndata http://boffosocko.com/2016/11/02/downloaded-my-twitpic-archive/ (twitter.com/_/status/793918075573706753)
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tantek good afternoon #indieweb!
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tantek how are those implementation reports going?
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bear looks like the CBC picked up KevinMarks article -- http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/misener-web-readability-1.3831009
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aaronpk wow
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tantek nice!
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KevinMarks I did a voice interview too
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tantek ^^^ that looked pretty funny
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[benatwork] Super cool