#indieweb 2016-11-03

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@machikoyasuda @Flossitivity http://veganstraightedge.com/articles/2016/10/31/indie-web-logo-study-first-draft https://indieweb.org/logo https://twitter.com/veganstraightedge/status/793267723841089537 (twitter.com/_/status/793968332084899840)
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@m_ott “A decade on Twitter.” – @adactio looks back and explains how good it feels to own your data. https://adactio.com/journal/11436 #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/793978300007911425)
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tantek hello from HWC SF!
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jensimmons hello world
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KartikPrabhu hello,
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tantek what is a public timeline?
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Loqi public timeline is a silo/aggregator feature that displays all profile/subscription public posts in a reverse chronological order, popularized by Twitter who dropped it in late 2012 https://indieweb.org/public_timeline
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tantek what is the meaning of life?
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Loqi The Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, The Universe, and Everything is … 42 https://indieweb.org/meaning_of_life
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tantek what is grid?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "grid" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek Grid is a new way to layout a web page with CSS.
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Loqi ok
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tantek what is grid?
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Loqi Grid is a new way to layout a web page with CSS https://indieweb.org/Grid
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KartikPrabhu no live note-taking from HWC?
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tantek there's conversation happening
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tantek adactio and benwerd's sites as examples of how posts work with comments cross-site and such with Webmention
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benwerd (benwerd has finished making Known staging servers work so will turn his attention back to proceedings)
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Loqi benwerd: tantek_ left you a message on 2016-06-23 at 4:44am UTC: The Long Now is holding a Long Now Summit on 2016-10-04 and there's a call for submissions for Ignite Talks! Add yourselves! https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1f6zIEhPeVa7vIECZFhDC_LKxwa0mMyLuLgBKguRHKJA/viewform
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message on 2016-06-30 at 5:00pm UTC: did you take any photos or do you have slides to share from your talk last night? https://sfnewtech.com/event/062916/ if so could you share them here in the channel (or add to a wiki stub like https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2016-06-29-sf-new-tech-indieweb ) ?
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message on 2016-09-01 at 7:52pm UTC: I kind of have to disagree with most of your analysis in this email, but the format makes it horrible for discussion, especially several points in one message/thread. https://groups.google.com/forum/?_escaped_fragment_=topic/known-dev/orekBTTJMfg#!topic/known-dev/orekBTTJMfg
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message on 2016-09-04 at 9:28pm UTC: ICYMI re: POSSE: https://twitter.com/colinjohnston/status/772533151960707072 - when a silo is down, so is any PESOS approach. with POSSE, silos going down can't stop your site.
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Loqi benwerd: [benatwork] left you a message on 2016-09-13 at 9:32pm UTC: Hey. When you finally make it back in here, don’t forget to make a page on IndieBot
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tantek I announced Webmention PR
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benwerd sighs
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benwerd (I've been benatwork for a while)
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tantek adactio suggested that it would be good to have IndieWebCamps adjacent to An Event Apart conferences in 2017, e.g. Seattle, Boston
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miklb Are they doing Orlando again in '17?
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tantek BradFrost is telling us about http://atomicdesign.bradfrost.com
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tantek he setup a shopify for it, to sell the ebook, was enough to finance the print publication
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tantek great example of indiepublishing!
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tantek miklb: meyerweb says no Orlando in 2017
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tantek but Denver in December 2017!
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tantek benwerd says he did something cool. He turned his website into an Alexa skill
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tantek meyerweb asks what happened to Loqi and UTF8 support? E.g. in this line the "don’t" https://chat.indieweb.org/2016-11-03/1478138633126000 - aaronpk?
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Loqi [Loqi] benwerd: [benatwork] left you a message on 2016-09-13 at 9:32pm UTC: Hey. When you finally make it back in here, don’t forget to make a page on IndieBot...
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GWG Evening
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tantek !tell benwerd ?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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benwerd ?
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tantek and we're off to 21A for eats & drinks!
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GWG On my way to LA for IWC
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@strugee2 @Lady_Ada_King @voxpelli as opposed to the IndieWeb, which is on the standards track, or pump.io, which is newer & also moving to standards (twitter.com/_/status/794011073489682432)
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strugee ooo, mentioned by Loqi. I feel so special :P
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strugee ?
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strugee why'd I get +v from Loqi?
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miklb you are on irc-people in wiki
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strugee neato, but why do irc-people get +v?
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miklb "v"oice
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strugee right I get that but why? this channel isn't +m, is it?
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__number5__ no +v for me, :(
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strugee hey, did the "partial plus complete h-card" issue ever get solved?
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strugee I've included invisible rel-me metadata for a while, but I just moved that into a visible /contact page
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strugee do we have a good way to point just tell everything to do lookups on /contact?
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snarfed strugee: http://indieweb.org/h-card#Issues
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strugee snarfed: that's what I'm looking at
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strugee I guess I'm asking if there's a decent solution yet
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snarfed afaik that section is up to date, so no
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strugee :/
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strugee ok, thanks
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strugee that's unfortunate
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strugee if I include a rel="me" link on all pages pointing to my contact page, and *don't* include h-cards on any of them, would most parsers then find that information?
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strugee that's what I seem to be getting from the Brainstorming section...?
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gRegorLove Hi strugee. I don't think so. It depends on your use-case, though. One of the main uses for rel=me so far in the community has been for indieauth, which only looks at the URL you enter, I'm pretty sure.
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gRegorLove That issues section is old at this point
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strugee gRegorLove: gotcha
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strugee thx
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strugee my use case certainly includes IndieAuth but mostly it's just generally "I'd like my website to be marked up with my authorship information"
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[kevinmarks] A minimal h-card does that too
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@jkphl Getting ready for @indiewebcamp Berlin. Hoodie delivery commencing... :) https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/794070964711682048/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/794070964711682048)
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strugee [kevinmarks]: define "that"
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strugee the "generally mark up my website" thing?
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Loqi [indieweb] "IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first" by Salt on 2016-11-03 https://opensource.com/life/16/11/indieweb
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voxpelli Also remember that rel-me is only used to link between profile pages, not to link from eg content to profile
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@btsaunde IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first https://opensource.com/life/16/11/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/794075958521331712)
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@liquidskydesign IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first https://opensource.com/life/16/11/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/794076026196361217)
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@OpenSource4U IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first https://opensourceforu.wordpress.com/2016/11/03/indieweb-make-your-social-media-posts-open-first https://twitter.com/OpenSource4U/status/794076522344693760/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/794076522344693760)
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@LeFreniere IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first https://opensource.com/life/16/11/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/794076595929698304)
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@agarciagaray IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first https://opensource.com/life/16/11/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/794076698794934272)
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@krc_4u IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first https://opensource.com/life/16/11/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/794076905418977280)
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@MichelEnLaRed IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first https://opensource.com/life/16/11/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/794078749142740992)
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@aman_devy IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first https://opensource.com/life/16/11/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/794082006720053248)
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@Poutine_tech IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https%253A%252F%252Fopensource.com%252Flife%252F16%252F11%252Findieweb&ct=ga&cd=CAIyHDE4YzQzODIzNTgzZmQ1Yzc6Y28uanA6ZW46VVM&usg=AFQjCNE7BRW3af9ZP_rsjZGOB031719vQQ (twitter.com/_/status/794082951147360256)
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@DomainersMag IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first - https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https%3A%2F%2Fopensource.com%2Flife%2F16%2F11%2Findieweb&ct=ga&cd=CAIyGjBkMGM2ZTZjMzVmNTRkYTk6Y29tOmVuOlVT&usg=AFQjCNE7BRW3af9ZP_rsjZGOB031719vQQ (twitter.com/_/status/794082976296382464)
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@Bobe_bot IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first (opensource) https://opensource.com/life/16/11/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/794086783185252352)
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@DemandeTN IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first https://opensource.com/life/16/11/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/794087533403602944)
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@openfeed IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https%3A%2F%2Fopensource.com%2Flife%2F16%2F11%2Findieweb&ct=ga&cd=CAIyGjNlYzlmNjNiOTQwMzNjZjk6Y29tOmVuOlVT&usg=AFQjCNE7BRW3af9ZP_rsjZGOB031719vQQ (twitter.com/_/status/794088251250327552)
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@Linuxnews1 IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first https://opensource.com/life/16/11/indieweb #linux (twitter.com/_/status/794088528850337792)
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GWG LA, I have arrived.
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@_cirrus_minor_ ? ⒶⓁⒺⓇⓉ ⓁⒾⓃⓊⓍ IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https%253A%252F%252Fopensource.com%252Flife%252F16%252F11%252Findieweb&ct=ga&cd=CAIyGjdmNTkwMmMwMjMxMWUzNGE6Y29tOmVuOlVT&usg=AFQjCNE7BRW3af9ZP_rsjZGOB031719vQQ #Linux ? (twitter.com/_/status/794102652107821056)
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@OccuWorld IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first http://www.occuworld.org/news/3600106 (twitter.com/_/status/794104969536249856)
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@i_robin IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first https://opensource.com/life/16/11/indieweb via @opensourceway by @altsalt (twitter.com/_/status/794105691220967424)
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[maslen] does the indieweb exclude AWS?
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[maslen] i.e. should we be relying on something that could potentially expire in the future to build our own publishing tools ?
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@OpenSourcenew IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first - https://opensource.com/ http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&ct2=us&usg=AFQjCNE7BRW3af9ZP_rsjZGOB031719vQQ&clid=c3a7d30bb8a4878e06b80cf16b898331&ei=2QgbWIqjK4a5hQGNzri4Dw&url=https%253A%252F%252Fopensource.com%252Flife%252F16%252F11%252Findieweb (twitter.com/_/status/794115037799456768)
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@nicolas2fr L'Indépendance : la discipline simple de la complexité #IndieWebCamp (twitter.com/_/status/794130769077600256)
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@Don_Watkins IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first https://opensource.com/life/16/11/indieweb via @opensourceway by @altsalt (twitter.com/_/status/794131785261125632)
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Salt_abroad yay, my article got published!: https://opensource.com/life/16/11/indieweb
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@altsalt My #IndieWeb article got published! Ironically, not on the indie web yet... Come see it live @SeaGL! https://opensource.com/life/16/11/indieweb @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/794137903836168192)
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@SeattleNews360 How to make your social media posts open first http://www.bing.com/news/apiclick.aspx?ref=FexRss&aid=&tid=2E11413D95E94C30B321677C2B393E79&url=https%253a%252f%252fopensource.com%252flife%252f16%252f11%252findieweb&c=7923839750873966113&mkt=en-ushttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.bing.com%2Fth%3Fid%3DON.71A048B36EC2758A40E2D23813C51C8C&pid=News (twitter.com/_/status/794087777893777408)
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@SeattleNews360 How to make your social media posts open first http://www.bing.com/news/apiclick.aspx?ref=FexRss&aid=&tid=5F0D8524B27847F48B1707C7B111EA1F&url=https%253a%252f%252fopensource.com%252flife%252f16%252f11%252findieweb&c=7923839750873966113&mkt=en-ushttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.bing.com%2Fth%3Fid%3DON.71A048B36EC2758A40E2D23813C51C8C&pid=News (twitter.com/_/status/794086650720743424)
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@SeattleNews360 How to make your social media posts open first http://www.bing.com/news/apiclick.aspx?ref=FexRss&aid=&tid=25DB54CA3CC34BA1B0D5BE808327A097&url=https%253a%252f%252fopensource.com%252flife%252f16%252f11%252findieweb&c=7923839750873966113&mkt=en-ushttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.bing.com%2Fth%3Fid%3DON.71A048B36EC2758A40E2D23813C51C8C&pid=News (twitter.com/_/status/794085408728555524)
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@SeattleNews360 How to make your social media posts open first http://www.bing.com/news/apiclick.aspx?ref=FexRss&aid=&tid=3684EB58C0D249BFA4B901C1906F6BEF&url=https%253a%252f%252fopensource.com%252flife%252f16%252f11%252findieweb&c=7923839750873966113&mkt=en-ushttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.bing.com%2Fth%3Fid%3DON.71A048B36EC2758A40E2D23813C51C8C&pid=News (twitter.com/_/status/794077685702160385)
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@opensourceway IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first https://opensource.com/life/16/11/indieweb by William Hale #seagl https://twitter.com/opensourceway/status/794151900006400000/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/794151900006400000)
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@Pyro46 opensourceway: IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first https://opensource.com/life/16/11/indieweb by William Hale #seagl https://twitter.com/opensourceway/status/794151900006400000/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/794151999398879232)
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mrhenko Are there anybody here who microblogs photos/snapshots to a WordPress blog?
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cweiske I evaluated mirroring instagram posts to wordpress via micropub
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cweiske which kind of worked
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cweiske but then I used known as target system
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mrhenko cweiske: Okay, how did you format the post in WordPress. Photo as thumbnail or as <img> in post content? Caption as title or as part of post content? I'm trying do decide on how I want to implement it on my site.
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cweiske erm, I just used the wordpress micropub endpoint to post the photo
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cweiske I have no idea how it is stored internally
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cweiske ah. it uses gallery for it: https://github.com/snarfed/wordpress-micropub/blob/master/micropub.php#L553
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mrhenko Aha, I see. Thanks for the reply. So that's one for "photo in post content". Anyone else have any experience with this?
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Loqi [indieweb] "Trying to go a little further into Indieweb using my @withknown site." by Jeremy Cherfas on 2016-11-02 https://vaviblog.com/2016/trying-to-go-a-little-further-into-indieweb-using-my
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TheGillies Any indie web users use Phoenix framework?
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TheGillies I just made https://github.com/tjgillies/webmention
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TheGillies Experimenting with encapsulating the indie stuff entirely even the route handler, and returning result of content on success in a callback
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@JoeGourdin "IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first" https://opensource.com/life/16/11/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/794172719218782208)
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@nicolas2fr RDV à Berlin demain pour l#IndieWebCamp ❤️? https://twitter.com/dumeny/status/794137696243478528 (twitter.com/_/status/794175374573895680)
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ben_thatmustbeme I may have a lead on getting some university support and venue for a IWC providence
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ben_thatmustbeme or at least in RI
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@BrideOfLinux Publish Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere: How to make your social media posts open first | https://opensource.com/ https://opensource.com/life/16/11/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/794186273867071488)
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@Arcanus_tco IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first https://opensource.com/life/16/11/indieweb via @opensourceway by @altsalt (twitter.com/_/status/794189855613943808)
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sgreger mrhenko: i too prefer having image and caption in the post content; caption mostly because I am not a big fan of overly long page titles and my captions can get pretty long. http://sebastiangreger.net/2016/09/5144/ (prototype implementation, manually posted)
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Loqi [Sebastian Greger] Note, published 23 Sep 2016
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mrhenko sgreger: Thanks, I'll take a look.
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@schestowitz "Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere, or POSSE." https://opensource.com/life/16/11/indieweb #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/794195506868211712)
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aaronpk TheGillies++ that's neat
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "How to make your social media posts open first | Opensource.com" https://opensource.com/life/16/11/indieweb (from https://aaronparecki.com/2016/11/03/2/)
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ben_thatmustbeme TheGillies++ yay, more webmention implementations out there
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Loqi thegillies has 2 karma in this channel (11 overall)
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Loqi :D
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Salt_abroad aaronpk, yay, I really need to publish my backlog at some point... though difficult as I left all of my security keys behind for this trip.
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aaronpk the webmention implementation reports are looking good! https://webmention.net/implementation-reports/summary/
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ben_thatmustbeme i really thought more people would do salmention
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ben_thatmustbeme would love to see the wordpress webmention plugin submit one as well
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ben_thatmustbeme looks around for pfefferle
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petermolnar ben_thatmustbeme maybe talk to GWG
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ben_thatmustbeme looks at GWG
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GWG I said I would. I got into LA late last night.
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@steadware IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first http://steadware.com/indieweb-make-your-social-media-posts-open-first/ (twitter.com/_/status/794204546838892544)
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@barneybook IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first from feedly. https://opensource.com/life/16/11/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/794205055297736704)
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@barneybook IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first . https://opensource.com/life/16/11/indieweb . from feedly. (twitter.com/_/status/794205055993999360)
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miklb aaronpk is there a deadline?
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aaronpk the sooner the better, since every week during our w3c call it's nice to report on the new additions!
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miklb gotcha. Thanks
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@steadware Where do your witty Tweets end up? What about the rest of the content you create inside walled platforms like... http://steadware.com/indieweb-make-your-social-media-posts-open-first/ (twitter.com/_/status/794204549544230912)
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aaronpk TheGillies: https://indieweb.org/Elixir <-- you should add your library there!
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TheGillies I don't even have an elixir indiewebapp online heh, I have a sandbox one on localhost but it's only to develop libraries
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TheGillies My plan is to implement a bunch of plug-and-play indieweb features without needing to actually edit your app
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@petenawara http://indiewebify.me/send-webmentions/ fails when I try it with my domain, http://www.petenawara.com/ Anyone got any ideas? "HTTP ERROR 500" #indiewebify (twitter.com/_/status/794246050743779337)
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sl007 aaronpk >50 tickets for BER as well. Did you got my google account for IWC Video Stream @ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCco4TTt7ikz9xnB35HrD5gQ - it is http://plus.google.com/+SebastianLasse/posts or sebilasse@googlemail.com - if there are any problems with "googlemail" I can change that to gmail (but I can't use 2nd factor for the server for whatever reason then)
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aaronpk I added you as a manager, you should see the account on youtube now
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sl007 aaronpk - hm, that did not work yet - can you try @gmail - in case you need a mailaddress. It is the bug when there was only "googlemail" in germany and the "switch to gmail" did not work. Google is sorry …
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sl007 Just saw, Youtube is saying "Channels of sebilasse@gmail.com" and sebilasse@gmail.com is the confirmed addres there.
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aaronpk i just searched for your name
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aaronpk you might need to accept the invitation first
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tantek Great post by Salt!
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tantek that should definitely go in /Posts_about
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aaronpk sl007: https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2016-11-03-12-10-08.png
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sl007 aaronpk: Ok it turned out that among these 1000 message options sliders in google+ I had to enable google communities to allow gmail messaging for youtube. Trapped between SILOs - it is enabled now but I did not got the/any mail(s) for this feature before I guess...
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@hs0ucy «#IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first» ~ https://opensource.com/life/16/11/indieweb #WebDev (https://t.co/eSdcFhAOyo) (twitter.com/_/status/794258078799540225)
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sl007 aaronpk - Got the mail now…
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GWG Looking forward to this weekend
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@BloggerAu IndieWeb: Make your #socialmedia posts open first - https://opensource.com/ : https://opensource.com/life/16/11/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/794262578331455488)
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@synvila IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first (twitter.com/_/status/794274021449797632)
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@gRegorLove @petenawara Hi, Pete. Sorry about that. We have an open bug report on it. Hopefully we’ll get it fixed soon. https://github.com/indieweb/indiewebify-me/issues/46 (twitter.com/_/status/794275103492034560)
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bnvk just back-ported things from my 2009 Posterous that got lost when they shuttered
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bnvk hooray, self-hosting :D
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aaronpk nice!
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[barryf] The webmention implementation reports TEMPLATE.md seems to have disappeared.
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aaronpk oh dear
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[barryf] It looks like it was renamed by an earlier commit.
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ben_thatmustbeme https://github.com/w3c/webmention/pull/70/commits/1d6d8e3060c73226c8bd0d31178220c465a52d88
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ben_thatmustbeme understandable mistake, in the branch it was renamed rather than copied
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[barryf] Thanks aaronpk. I'll go fill it out.
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aaronpk whoops, someone's PR renamed the file
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aaronpk i'll bring it back
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aaronpk it's back
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aaronpk thanks!
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[benatwork] I accidentally did the same thing in my PR and had to recreate it - noticed just in time. Super super easy to do
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@ScottWNesbitt #IndieWeb: Make your #socialmedia posts open first https://opensource.com/life/16/11/indieweb (via @opensourceway) https://twitter.com/ScottWNesbitt/status/794287284753309696/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/794287284753309696)
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aaronpk I admit this is not the easiest process :)
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aaronpk the Micropub one is way better
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Loqi [indieweb] "Leftovers: OSS" by Roy Schestowitz on 2016-11-03 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/95279
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bear incremental progress - can't expect you to be perfect for all things all the time ;)
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aaronpk speaking of progress, who wants to test out the new pubsub test tool
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bear I would love to - but won't have cycles till this weekend
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bear I want to implement pubsub for kaku
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aaronpk okay this is probably a little rough around the edges, but it should work
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aaronpk https://pubsub.rocks/publisher
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aaronpk it doesn't store anything yet, but should help you debug your own pubsub feeds
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bear it discovered mine
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bear and my code is failing the verify... nice
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bear loves debugging code, he really does
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aaronpk failing the verify?
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aaronpk i see an active subscription now
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bear "Waiting for the hub to verify the subscription..."
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aaronpk hmm
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bear assumed that was my side breaking
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aaronpk well you're using superfeedr so it's waiting for superfeedr to verify the subscription
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aaronpk i think it hit a funny race condition. i'm gonna check with superfeedr on my side
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aaronpk i think superfeedr might be verifying that too quickly :)
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bear ah
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aaronpk yeah it's so fast!
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aaronpk ah something is wonky with resetting the UI state too
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bear feel free to purge my items and i'll test the flow
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gRegorLove what is pubsub?
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Loqi PubSub, also known as PubSubHubbub or PuSH is a notification-based protocol for publishing and subscribing to streams and legacy feed files in real time https://indieweb.org/PubSub
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aaronpk bear: try now!
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bear k
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bear \o/
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aaronpk yay
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bear now I need to send notifications - but at least I have something to test with
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Loqi [indieweb] "Links 3/11/2016: Ubuntu Snappy Core 16 and New RHEL" by Dr. Roy Schestowitz on 2016-11-03 http://techrights.org/2016/11/03/ubuntu-snappy-core-16/
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aaronpk yeah!
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aaronpk oh my, i'm going to be able to test pubsub.rocks with pubsub.rocks
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bear two tabs open ?
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bear this is exciting - I was looking at the webmention implementation report and noticed my lack of checkboxes for pubsub related items...
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bear not for long ;)
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aaronpk the next thing i'm going to add is making pubsub.rocks publish a feed so you can test your subscriber. in order to test that, i'm going to use it to subscribe to itself :P
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bear :)
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bear dogfood turtles all the way down
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