#indieweb 2016-11-04

2016-11-04 UTC
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Loqi
Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-11-04.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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gRegorLove
aaronpk: Testing pubsub.rocks, it's at "waiting for notifications" and shows the HTML of my page. Should it update when I push something?
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aaronpk
Hm if you see HTML there I would think that means your hub returned HTML
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aaronpk
when a notification is received, you'll see the contents of the POST request displayed there instead
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gRegorLove
!tell aaronpk Woo, think I have private webmentions sorted! https://aaronparecki.com/2016/09/25/15/private-webmention shows 2 mentions, one of which should be mine.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] My #indiewebcamp day 2 project: wrote up a Webmention extension for handling private posts! https://indieweb.org/Private-Webmention https://aaronparecki.com/2016/09/25/15/photo.png
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TheGillies
I should add private webmention to my elixir lib
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sl007
Info for IWC Berlin: Sent mail to last ticket holders, 32 people confirmed either via list or mail now and 32-34 foods were ordered ! sknebel - time problem who could get the Pain au chocolat/Kouign Amann/Croissants - it is a bakery nearby Mozilla : dubonheur.de , Brunnenstraße 39 - ??? Just asked them what's the earliest time to pick it up …
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sl007
Scheduled youtube livestream. If anything is wrong with youtube - we should have solid support. A friend of mine is making a movie with 20-hardcore-youtubers at the WE in Berlin ;) Good morning, cweiske !
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ben_thatmustbeme
hmm, interesting question from a professor i'm talking to about IWC. getting a space for people to work with thats free to them
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ben_thatmustbeme
maybe a free subdomain and virtual server when attending
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ben_thatmustbeme
at least temporarily
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@_mstevenson
IndieWeb is an interesting federated approach to social media alternatives with an emphasis on data ownership https://opensource.com/life/16/11/indieweb
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@xtof_fr
Pensées du jour aux participant.e.s #IndieWebCamp à L.A. et Berlin. Avec un bel article d'@altsalt >… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/794499335421652996
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Loqi
[indieweb] "IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first" on 2016-11-04 http://lxer.com/module/newswire/ext_link.php?rid=235604
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@bigboymademe
IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first http://lxer.com/module/newswire/ext_link.php?rid=235604 #linux #news via lxer
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@LinuxPress
IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first http://linux.press/?p=77173
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@fu11circ1e
IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first - Where do your witty Tweets end up? What about the rest of t... http://lxer.com/module/newswire/ext_link.php?rid=235604
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Loqi
[indieweb] "LXer: IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first" by LXer on 2016-11-04 http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/linuxquestions/latest/~3/wx8XU3qRUIk/showthread.php
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@zengowebservice
IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first https://goo.gl/fb/1gCo8u #linux
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@webrocker
@jkphl aber sowas von. ausserdem steht ja mein name drauf ;-)) @indiewebcamp
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sl007
See you in Berlin ca. 9pm - starting now @ Ruhr …
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@MadeMyDay
@webrocker @jkphl @indiewebcamp Boah hast Du nen langen Arm. Um die Wand rum ein Selfie machen. Respekt.
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Loqi
[indieweb] "IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first" on 2016-11-04 http://www.topix.com/tech/linux/2016/11/indieweb-make-your-social-media-posts-open-first?fromrss=1
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GWG
I started working on an implementation report
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aaronpk
GWG++ hooray!
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Loqi
aaronpk: gRegorLove left you a message 9 hours, 14 minutes ago: Woo, think I have private webmentions sorted! https://aaronparecki.com/2016/09/25/15/private-webmention shows 2 mentions, one of which should be mine.
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Loqi
gwg has 173 karma in this channel (188 overall)
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GWG
aaronpk, I have noticed a bunch of things we should fix
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aaronpk
in the plugin or in the report?
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GWG
The plugin.
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aaronpk
well don't let that stop you from submitting the report! it's totally fine if you don't check all the boxes
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GWG
The development version pfefferle and I are slowly moving toward, for example, adds support to add deletes, but doesn't actually support it.
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aaronpk
yeah definitely fine to submit the report before you support deletes
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snarfed
hey GWG now that my wp wms are working again, i'm actually almost done with an implementation report. cc'ing you on the commit now
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GWG
snarfed, I was working on one in between LA sightseeing.
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snarfed
i'm at the display/use section now
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snarfed
great! i expect to submit mine within a couple hrs. feel free to join in, compare, etc!
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snarfed
actually i can just do it now, in a few min
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GWG
snarfed, I disagree with a few of your conclusions.
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snarfed
GWG: ok! opening a PR in a min. feel free to comment on it!
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GWG
The plugin doesn't verify with regard to source content type.
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GWG
The tentative plan pfefferle and I discussed was to finish the 3.0 update, then do a major rewrite of Semantic Linkbacks to address some issues.
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snarfed
GWG: true! that section of the implementation report doesn't say "verify," just "supports"
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GWG
Good point. But I felt actually looking at content type was the intent of the question.
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snarfed
yeah, that wasn't how i interpreted it
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snarfed
sent PR! https://github.com/w3c/webmention/pull/74 . feel free to comment!
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@webrocker
@maddesigns ja, ich wusste jetzt auch nicht,wie ich das schonend rüberbringen soll… @jkphl @indiewebcamp
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GWG
aaronpk, would you weigh in on that?
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aaronpk
which question in particular
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GWG
The content type questions are meant to test if the implementation uses content type in its verification process.
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GWG
If it uses a pure text based compare, without regard for content type, then it doesn't implement support for JSON, HTML, etc.
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aaronpk
i would say it's the opposite. if you are just doing text comparison then you support any content type that is represented by text (html, json, etc)
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aaronpk
"supports" is more like "will work with"
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aaronpk
if someone sent a webmention from a JSON document, would the plugin accept it?
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GWG
Okay, that is snarfed's interpretation also. I will go with the flow.
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GWG
I was taking the stricter view.
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@jgmac1106
@benwerd Do you agree with the Verge editor that AMP equals death of open web and its something to shed a tear over and move on? #indieweb
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[kevinmarks]
It was my commit that renamed the template, sorry.
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ben_thatmustbeme
oh, another eventbright order for IWC MIT2
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cweiske
is off to IWC Berlin
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[kevinmarks]
Woodwind.xyz is down
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aaronpk
looks fine to me
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[kevinmarks]
Hm, maybe it's just for me?
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GWG
Who is going to Indiewebcamp LA tonight?
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gRegorLove
Good morning, indieweb
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@kevinmarks
“Webmentions [help] ensure that conversations launched on your central web presence find their way back…” https://blog.nexcess.net/2016/11/03/webmentions-are-pingbacks-for-the-open-web #indieweb
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Loqi
[indieweb] "“Webmentions [help] ensure that conversations launched on your central web presence find their way back…” https://blog.nexcess.net/2016/11/03/webmentions-are-pingbacks-for-the-open-web #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2016-11-04 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/webmentions-help-ensure-that-conversations-launched-on-your-central-web
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@adactio
People of LA with websites: come to Indie Web Camp this weekend! https://indieweb.org/2016/LA
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[kevinmarks]
Hah, loqi turned my edit-indicating [help] into a username
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@seagl
.@altsalt of local #GSLUG fame gets specific in his upcoming talk on #indieweb, read his article for @opensourceway https://opensource.com/life/16/11/indieweb
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snarfed
hey aaronpk just fyi i'm not getting login emails from https://pubsub.rocks/
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Loqi
Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-11-04.html
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TheGillies
gRegorLove: On private webmention is the target assumed to be private as well as the source?
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KevinMarks
Not necessarily, but it can be.
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TheGillies
Why have private content that is just going to be embedded in non-private content?
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TheGillies
I think I'm missing something
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[kevinmarks]
I can send you a private note on something public.
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[kevinmarks]
Medium has this in silo form
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TheGillies
Ah so it's more of a note rather than a "comment"
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[benatwork]
^ This. A mention / interaction is not always intended for display - can be for the author's eyes only (or a small group, eg in the case of editorial groups)
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TheGillies
What do people do with these notes?
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TheGillies
Have they implemented internal "note viewers"?
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TheGillies
or is it a comment that only site admin can see while logged in?
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KevinMarks
Once you have private notes you need some kind of access model, yes.
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TheGillies
I was wondering what people were actually doing in the wild
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TheGillies
Not in theory
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TheGillies
I think there are 3 implementations so far IIRC
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Loqi
Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-11-04.html
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TheGillies
How do you subscribe to the newsletter?
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sknebel
what is newsletter?
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Loqi
This Week in the IndieWeb is a weekly digest of activities of the IndieWeb community https://indieweb.org/newsletter
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sknebel
TheGillies ^^^
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sknebel
!tell sl007: I'll ping you tomorrow morning once I know when I'll be at Mozilla, I'll try to be early so I can help with stuff
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel
TheGillies: re private webmentions: I right now only have a private log (not even nicely formatted) where they show up in order of their arrival, I think aaronpk just handles them as comments on his site, except that they are only visible to him
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sknebel
I'll keep some kind of log around, at least for mentions of my homepage
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sknebel
(sending a private webmention to someones homepage is probably the closest equivalent to a "direct message" we have right now, so I want similar UX to other messaging for that. maybe even an e-mail interface in my case)
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gRegorLove
TheGillies: aaronpk increases the comment count on his site for private webmentions, but the content is only visible to him when he logs in.
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TheGillies
Ah ok interesting thanks
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aaronpk
snarfed: odd, email should be working, although right now it doesn't do anything anyway. Just start at https://pubsub.rocks/publisher
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aaronpk
TheGillies: on my site I can see the comments when I'm logged in, and they have a little "lock" icon so I know they were private
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ChrisAldrich
GWG: I was wondering the same thing. I see Tantek and adactio slowly moving down the West coast. Hopefully they're arriving into the city before about 4:30 before traffic kicks into high gear.
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ChrisAldrich
GWG: I'm about to head over to Santa Monica in a few minutes, so if you're in the neighborhood we can hang out before things officially kick off.
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ChrisAldrich
If anyone in Los Angeles needs anything tonight, feel free to call me at (310) 751-0548; I've got a pretty extensive h-card, so hopefully I'm not too difficult to track down.
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GWG
Chrisaldrich, is there food in your plans?
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ChrisAldrich
There are easily 40 restaurants within just a few blocks of the campsite, so we could definitely get something to eat.
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ChrisAldrich
I'm guessing it'll mostly be the hard core IWC crowd coming tonight, and if that's the case, we could meet up at Pivotal for a bit of work and then retire a block or so away for a "working" dinner somewhere with wifi.
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GWG
I just got back to my hotel, so I may rest for a bit before hopping the Expo Line over.
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aaronpk
snarfed: in case you were wondering , the login will eventually be used to save and submit an implementation report :-)
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snarfed
yay! i figured
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ChrisAldrich
GWG, take your time. Which hotel did you end up in? I may be able to pick you up on the way depending on where your at.
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GWG
Best Western Royal Palace.
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GWG
It is ten minutes from the end of the line
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ChrisAldrich
Yeah, it's pretty close to exposition and right on my way over, so if you want a ride, I'll be heading through in about an hour.
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GWG
It's fine. I am going to rest so I don't nod off later. Timezones.
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GWG
See you later this evening.
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@grantmacken
https://gmack.nz Just curled first 'hello world' post using #indieauth over https to homegrown #indieweb #micropub endpoint.
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