#indieweb 2016-11-04

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@opensourceway IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first https://opensource.com/life/16/11/indieweb?sc_cid=701600000011jJVAAY (twitter.com/_/status/794343910562664448)
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@Pyro46 opensourceway: IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first https://opensource.com/life/16/11/indieweb?sc_cid=701600000011jJVAAY (twitter.com/_/status/794344290600239106)
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-11-04.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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gRegorLove aaronpk: Testing pubsub.rocks, it's at "waiting for notifications" and shows the HTML of my page. Should it update when I push something?
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aaronpk Hm if you see HTML there I would think that means your hub returned HTML
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aaronpk this is what i see for yours https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2016-11-03-21-34-23.png
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aaronpk when a notification is received, you'll see the contents of the POST request displayed there instead
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gRegorLove !tell aaronpk Woo, think I have private webmentions sorted! https://aaronparecki.com/2016/09/25/15/private-webmention shows 2 mentions, one of which should be mine.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] My #indiewebcamp day 2 project: wrote up a Webmention extension for handling private posts! https://indieweb.org/Private-Webmention https://aaronparecki.com/2016/09/25/15/photo.png
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TheGillies I should add private webmention to my elixir lib
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sl007 Info for IWC Berlin: Sent mail to last ticket holders, 32 people confirmed either via list or mail now and 32-34 foods were ordered ! sknebel - time problem who could get the Pain au chocolat/Kouign Amann/Croissants - it is a bakery nearby Mozilla : dubonheur.de , Brunnenstraße 39 - ??? Just asked them what's the earliest time to pick it up …
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sl007 Scheduled youtube livestream. If anything is wrong with youtube - we should have solid support. A friend of mine is making a movie with 20-hardcore-youtubers at the WE in Berlin ;) Good morning, cweiske !
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cweiske hiho
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, interesting question from a professor i'm talking to about IWC. getting a space for people to work with thats free to them
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ben_thatmustbeme maybe a free subdomain and virtual server when attending
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ben_thatmustbeme at least temporarily
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@_mstevenson IndieWeb is an interesting federated approach to social media alternatives with an emphasis on data ownership https://opensource.com/life/16/11/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/794485763517849600)
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@xtof_fr Pensées du jour aux participant.e.s #IndieWebCamp à L.A. et Berlin. Avec un bel article d'@altsalt >… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/794499335421652996 (twitter.com/_/status/794499335421652996)
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Loqi [indieweb] "IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first" on 2016-11-04 http://lxer.com/module/newswire/ext_link.php?rid=235604
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@lq_feed LXer: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/syndicated-linux-news-67/lxer-indieweb-make-your-social-media-posts-open-first-4175592876/ #Sy (twitter.com/_/status/794506116403183616)
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@bigboymademe IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first http://lxer.com/module/newswire/ext_link.php?rid=235604 #linux #news via lxer (twitter.com/_/status/794506573729112064)
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@LinuxPress IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first http://linux.press/?p=77173 (twitter.com/_/status/794509137631645697)
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@OznetSupport IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first http://lxer.com/module/newswire/ext_link.php?rid=235604 (twitter.com/_/status/794509553379356673)
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@fu11circ1e IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first - Where do your witty Tweets end up? What about the rest of t... http://lxer.com/module/newswire/ext_link.php?rid=235604 (twitter.com/_/status/794510103772889089)
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Loqi [indieweb] "LXer: IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first" by LXer on 2016-11-04 http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/linuxquestions/latest/~3/wx8XU3qRUIk/showthread.php
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@zengowebservice IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first https://goo.gl/fb/1gCo8u #linux (twitter.com/_/status/794520085239042048)
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@webrocker wheehaa! #indieweb @indiewebcamp @jkphl <3 https://twitter.com/webrocker/status/794520744256565249/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/794520744256565249)
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@Cs_Frncz Wiliam Hale @altsalt from @opensourceway on #IndieWeb & Open #SocialMedia Posts - https://opensource.com/life/16/11/indieweb… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/794526616307269632 (twitter.com/_/status/794526616307269632)
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@jkphl @webrocker passts? +@indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/794540162122452992)
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@webrocker @jkphl aber sowas von. ausserdem steht ja mein name drauf ;-)) @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/794540455274958852)
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sl007 See you in Berlin ca. 9pm - starting now @ Ruhr …
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@webrocker @jkphl vielen dank :) @indiewebcamp https://twitter.com/webrocker/status/794541829035323392/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/794541829035323392)
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@nicolas2fr #IndieWebCamp Cruising all The City, but It WILL start tomorrow ? (at @MozillaBerlin) https://www.swarmapp.com/c/hQcybimCJcj https://twitter.com/nicolas2fr/status/794543328159272961/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/794543328159272961)
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@MadeMyDay @webrocker @jkphl @indiewebcamp Boah hast Du nen langen Arm. Um die Wand rum ein Selfie machen. Respekt. (twitter.com/_/status/794543951634198528)
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Loqi [indieweb] "IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first" on 2016-11-04 http://www.topix.com/tech/linux/2016/11/indieweb-make-your-social-media-posts-open-first?fromrss=1
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GWG I started working on an implementation report
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aaronpk GWG++ hooray!
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Loqi aaronpk: gRegorLove left you a message 9 hours, 14 minutes ago: Woo, think I have private webmentions sorted! https://aaronparecki.com/2016/09/25/15/private-webmention shows 2 mentions, one of which should be mine.
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Loqi gwg has 173 karma in this channel (188 overall)
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GWG aaronpk, I have noticed a bunch of things we should fix
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aaronpk in the plugin or in the report?
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@maddesigns @webrocker oje, da hat @jkphl das @indiewebcamp logo spiegelverkehrt gedruckt ? (twitter.com/_/status/794547451529232384)
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@jkphl @maddesigns @webrocker oh mist! @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/794547663370862596)
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GWG The plugin.
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aaronpk well don't let that stop you from submitting the report! it's totally fine if you don't check all the boxes
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GWG The development version pfefferle and I are slowly moving toward, for example, adds support to add deletes, but doesn't actually support it.
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aaronpk yeah definitely fine to submit the report before you support deletes
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snarfed hey GWG now that my wp wms are working again, i'm actually almost done with an implementation report. cc'ing you on the commit now
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GWG snarfed, I was working on one in between LA sightseeing.
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snarfed i'm at the display/use section now
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snarfed https://github.com/snarfed/webmention-1/commit/36b8af623bebe15f8f70963608a819bc218f3a23
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snarfed great! i expect to submit mine within a couple hrs. feel free to join in, compare, etc!
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snarfed actually i can just do it now, in a few min
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GWG snarfed, I disagree with a few of your conclusions.
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snarfed GWG: ok! opening a PR in a min. feel free to comment on it!
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GWG The plugin doesn't verify with regard to source content type.
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GWG The tentative plan pfefferle and I discussed was to finish the 3.0 update, then do a major rewrite of Semantic Linkbacks to address some issues.
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snarfed GWG: true! that section of the implementation report doesn't say "verify," just "supports"
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GWG Good point. But I felt actually looking at content type was the intent of the question.
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snarfed yeah, that wasn't how i interpreted it
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snarfed sent PR! https://github.com/w3c/webmention/pull/74 . feel free to comment!
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@webrocker @maddesigns ja, ich wusste jetzt auch nicht,wie ich das schonend rüberbringen soll… @jkphl @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/794549777329508353)
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@m_ott @maddesigns @webrocker @jkphl @indiewebcamp Und große Lichtschalter hast Du da… (twitter.com/_/status/794549994820878336)
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GWG aaronpk, would you weigh in on that?
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@webrocker @m_ott in meinem alter finde ich die sonst nicht mehr… @maddesigns @jkphl @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/794550192863408129)
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aaronpk which question in particular
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GWG The content type questions are meant to test if the implementation uses content type in its verification process.
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@webrocker @m_ott das ist die Eulenklappe! @maddesigns @jkphl @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/794550447432486913)
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GWG If it uses a pure text based compare, without regard for content type, then it doesn't implement support for JSON, HTML, etc.
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aaronpk i would say it's the opposite. if you are just doing text comparison then you support any content type that is represented by text (html, json, etc)
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aaronpk "supports" is more like "will work with"
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aaronpk if someone sent a webmention from a JSON document, would the plugin accept it?
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GWG Okay, that is snarfed's interpretation also. I will go with the flow.
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GWG I was taking the stricter view.
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@jgmac1106 @benwerd Do you agree with the Verge editor that AMP equals death of open web and its something to shed a tear over and move on? #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/794551541407580160)
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@m_ott ? Off to Berlin for @indiewebcamp && @btconf! ??? (twitter.com/_/status/794552389223272449)
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[kevinmarks] It was my commit that renamed the template, sorry.
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@kevinmarks @jgmac1106 @benwerd I think Baldur's point applies to the Verge particularly well https://www.baldurbjarnason.com/notes/web-media-tragedy/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/794558785968689152)
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ben_thatmustbeme oh, another eventbright order for IWC MIT2
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cweiske is off to IWC Berlin
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[kevinmarks] Woodwind.xyz is down
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aaronpk looks fine to me
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[kevinmarks] Hm, maybe it's just for me?
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GWG Who is going to Indiewebcamp LA tonight?
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@basaldizain IndieWeb: Make your social media posts open first - https://opensource.com/life/16/11/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/794578862931922944)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Webmentions Are Pingbacks For The Open Web" https://blog.nexcess.net/2016/11/03/webmentions-are-pingbacks-for-the-open-web/ (from https://aaronparecki.com/2016/11/04/6/)
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gRegorLove Good morning, indieweb
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@kevinmarks “Webmentions [help] ensure that conversations launched on your central web presence find their way back…” https://blog.nexcess.net/2016/11/03/webmentions-are-pingbacks-for-the-open-web #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/794596670084288513)
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Loqi [indieweb] "“Webmentions [help] ensure that conversations launched on your central web presence find their way back…” https://blog.nexcess.net/2016/11/03/webmentions-are-pingbacks-for-the-open-web #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2016-11-04 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/webmentions-help-ensure-that-conversations-launched-on-your-central-web
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@faulancr @webrocker @maddesigns @jkphl @indiewebcamp du hättest dich vor einen Spiegel stellen können. (twitter.com/_/status/794602413281968129)
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@adactio People of LA with websites: come to Indie Web Camp this weekend! https://indieweb.org/2016/LA (twitter.com/_/status/794603514211303424)
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@twoodwar #posse https://indieweb.org/POSSE #opened16 (twitter.com/_/status/794615919783903233)
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[kevinmarks] Hah, loqi turned my edit-indicating [help] into a username
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@seagl .@altsalt of local #GSLUG fame gets specific in his upcoming talk on #indieweb, read his article for @opensourceway https://opensource.com/life/16/11/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/794633087128895488)
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snarfed hey aaronpk just fyi i'm not getting login emails from https://pubsub.rocks/
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-11-04.html
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TheGillies gRegorLove: On private webmention is the target assumed to be private as well as the source?
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KevinMarks Not necessarily, but it can be.
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TheGillies Why have private content that is just going to be embedded in non-private content?
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TheGillies I think I'm missing something
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[kevinmarks] I can send you a private note on something public.
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[kevinmarks] Medium has this in silo form
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TheGillies Ah so it's more of a note rather than a "comment"
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[benatwork] ^ This. A mention / interaction is not always intended for display - can be for the author's eyes only (or a small group, eg in the case of editorial groups)
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TheGillies What do people do with these notes?
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TheGillies Have they implemented internal "note viewers"?
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TheGillies or is it a comment that only site admin can see while logged in?
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KevinMarks Once you have private notes you need some kind of access model, yes.
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TheGillies I was wondering what people were actually doing in the wild
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TheGillies Not in theory
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TheGillies I think there are 3 implementations so far IIRC
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-11-04.html
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TheGillies How do you subscribe to the newsletter?
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-11-04.html (twitter.com/_/status/794664273737723904)
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sknebel what is newsletter?
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Loqi This Week in the IndieWeb is a weekly digest of activities of the IndieWeb community https://indieweb.org/newsletter
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sknebel TheGillies ^^^
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sknebel !tell sl007: I'll ping you tomorrow morning once I know when I'll be at Mozilla, I'll try to be early so I can help with stuff
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel TheGillies: re private webmentions: I right now only have a private log (not even nicely formatted) where they show up in order of their arrival, I think aaronpk just handles them as comments on his site, except that they are only visible to him
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sknebel I'll keep some kind of log around, at least for mentions of my homepage
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sknebel (sending a private webmention to someones homepage is probably the closest equivalent to a "direct message" we have right now, so I want similar UX to other messaging for that. maybe even an e-mail interface in my case)
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gRegorLove TheGillies: aaronpk increases the comment count on his site for private webmentions, but the content is only visible to him when he logs in.
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TheGillies Ah ok interesting thanks
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aaronpk snarfed: odd, email should be working, although right now it doesn't do anything anyway. Just start at https://pubsub.rocks/publisher
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snarfed ok
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aaronpk TheGillies: on my site I can see the comments when I'm logged in, and they have a little "lock" icon so I know they were private
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ChrisAldrich GWG: I was wondering the same thing. I see Tantek and adactio slowly moving down the West coast. Hopefully they're arriving into the city before about 4:30 before traffic kicks into high gear.
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ChrisAldrich GWG: I'm about to head over to Santa Monica in a few minutes, so if you're in the neighborhood we can hang out before things officially kick off.
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ChrisAldrich If anyone in Los Angeles needs anything tonight, feel free to call me at (310) 751-0548; I've got a pretty extensive h-card, so hopefully I'm not too difficult to track down.
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@LinOxide #IndieWeb: Make your #SocialMedia posts open first - https://opensource.com/life/16/11/indieweb via @opensourceway #opensource https://twitter.com/LinOxide/status/794675596391489537/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/794675596391489537)
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GWG Chrisaldrich, is there food in your plans?
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ChrisAldrich There are easily 40 restaurants within just a few blocks of the campsite, so we could definitely get something to eat.
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ChrisAldrich I'm guessing it'll mostly be the hard core IWC crowd coming tonight, and if that's the case, we could meet up at Pivotal for a bit of work and then retire a block or so away for a "working" dinner somewhere with wifi.
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GWG I just got back to my hotel, so I may rest for a bit before hopping the Expo Line over.
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aaronpk snarfed: in case you were wondering , the login will eventually be used to save and submit an implementation report :-)
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snarfed yay! i figured
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Loqi ?
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ChrisAldrich GWG, take your time. Which hotel did you end up in? I may be able to pick you up on the way depending on where your at.
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GWG Best Western Royal Palace.
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GWG It is ten minutes from the end of the line
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ChrisAldrich Yeah, it's pretty close to exposition and right on my way over, so if you want a ride, I'll be heading through in about an hour.
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GWG It's fine. I am going to rest so I don't nod off later. Timezones.
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GWG See you later this evening.
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@grantmacken https://gmack.nz Just curled first 'hello world' post using #indieauth over https to homegrown #indieweb #micropub endpoint. (twitter.com/_/status/794686485563703296)
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