#indieweb 2016-11-15

2016-11-15 UTC
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tantek gRegorLove: hmm - I'd consider live selfdogfooding kind of a prereq for either of those
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tantek without that as a requirement, there's too many "fragile to maintain your own site" projects that I wouldn't want to steer people toward
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tantek I think I'm done enough with work things for the day that I want to find a quiet someplace else to write a bunch of posts - anybody want to meetup in a local cafe?
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tantek (SF)
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GWG tantek: I think I'll skip tonight.
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GWG I'm worried about the traffic
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gRegorLove tantek: That's fair. I guess my perspective is kind of that regardless of whether the author uses it on his own site, I'm going to be the one in the community offering help to people getting set up. The indieweb Site Profile ProcessWire add-on will be a good step in that direction though.
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tantek ah - that makes a big difference gRegorLove
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tantek and possibly something we should indicate on each projrect
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tantek community support on IRC: ...
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tantek with people that are willing to help people with that project in particular
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gRegorLove ProcessWire is a kind of interesting case, since it's more of a framework to build various types of sites on (blog, portfolio, whatever you want) rather than "Here's a blog" a la WordPress
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gRegorLove I'll work on that site profile first, so there's a much easier "first step with ProcessWire"
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tantek it's still a "CMS" right?
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aaronpk gRegorLove: is ProcessWire like Laravel then? or does it actually do something out of the box?
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Loqi aaronpk: [barryf] left you a message 2 hours, 13 minutes ago: I've submitted a webmention PR for /Transformative when you've got a second to check.
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aaronpk barryf++ thanks!
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Loqi barryf has 4 karma
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gRegorLove Author markets it as a CMS / CMF (content management framework)
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gRegorLove Haven't used Laravel, but think it's more than that. It manages user logins, a hierarchy of pages, and an API for use in the template files (or third party scripts)
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aaronpk ah k, yeah that sounds more CMS-y than Laravel
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miklb hopes to add Habari to that list someday
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KartikPrabhu there is always the experimental section to list your project
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gRegorLove What I find the most powerful about it is the way templates work. Each template has a collection of fields and it's easy to add new fields. So I can add a new post type or stream of posts pretty easily.
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tantek what are templates?
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Loqi A template is a file used to generate a page https://indieweb.org/templates
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tantek that definition could probably be improved ;)
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gRegorLove Hehe
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miklb KartikPrabhu as soon as I have some experimental features I will
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TheGillies what is webfinger
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Loqi WebFinger is a discovery protocol for the web that uses email address-like identifiers to get info about users; it has been largely superseded on the indieweb by the use of personal web sites and representative h-card https://indieweb.org/WebFinger
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tantek gRegorLove: perhaps if you think ProcessWire is a particularly good example of how to do templates, you could note something there
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TheGillies I wrote a webfinger library last night, was wondering if it had a place in indieweb, I guess that's my answer
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tantek TheGillies, more importantly, does it have a place on your website?
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KartikPrabhu TheGillies: you can still add it to that page if you use it yourself
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TheGillies I'm building a hybrid indieweb/ostatusy site
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snarfed1 TheGillies: you may also be interested in http://webfist.org/ and https://github.com/snarfed/webfinger-unofficial#user-content-about
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tantek TheGillies, is it in progress on your personal site? (which is totally ok)
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TheGillies webfist sound naughty
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tantek TheGillies: I believe that was deliberate on the part of Brad
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tantek (humor value that is)
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snarfed (also https://github.com/snarfed/ostatus-unofficial#readme )
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Loqi https://status.github.com/
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TheGillies tantek: Yeah it's definitely "in progress" it doesn't actually return anything except the acct uri right now heh
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KartikPrabhu what is php?
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Loqi PHP is a programming language and web server runtime environment used for many IndieWeb projects https://indieweb.org/PHP
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tantek Does anyone have any web hosting companies they use and like outside the US?
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tantek Maybe I should ask in the morning when the Europeans are awake
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miklb I've not used them, but have heard good things about http://gandi.net/
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KartikPrabhu webfaction.com
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tantek miklb - yes, for domain registration, I've heard and seen good things about gandi.net and they're based in France
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tantek miklb do you know anyone using them for web hosting though?
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gRegorLove tantek: Added /template#ProcessWire
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miklb tantek not personally
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TheGillies meh webfist email isn't going through :(
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aaronpk just tried Facebook Live for the first time. it's kinda neat
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aaronpk makes me tempted to try to do that on my own site
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TheGillies aaronpk: Is it just live broadcasting?
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bignose it couldn't be, because Facebook isn't a media company, no no no
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bignose “Facebook, meanwhile, like a child standing over a broken vase declaring that he didn’t break the vase and that the vase isn’t broken and also, what vase, continues to maintain that it is not a media company.” <URL: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/14/fake-news-donald-trump-election-alt-right-social-media-tech-companies>
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TheGillies TIL https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/B00IGJMIOI
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TheGillies kinda steep though 40 cents an hour
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TheGillies I mean not horrible but meh
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aaronpk Yeah but after the live stream ends it turns into a video post on my timeline
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aaronpk It seems like a good use for updating a post via micropub
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aaronpk I've seen some tutorials for using nginx for broadcasting a live stream and then save a file to disk... getting some ideas here
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TheGillies aaronpk: What streaming software would you use to livestream?
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TheGillies oh nginx?
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TheGillies interesting
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aaronpk https://obsproject.com/forum/resources/how-to-set-up-your-own-private-rtmp-server-using-nginx.50/
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sknebel what is live streaming?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "live streaming" yet. Would you like to create it?
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sknebel what is video streaming?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "video streaming" yet. Would you like to create it?
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sknebel what is streaming?
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Loqi streaming is a method of content delivery where the user starts viewing a post on a site, typically timed media, and when it finishes, the site may automatically start showing another, either by scrolling or playing https://indieweb.org/streaming
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aaronpk Huh, that's a different kind of streaming
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sknebel but the rest of the page talks about live streaming
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sknebel oh, no
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sknebel it doesn't
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sknebel fetches a morning coffee, it seems needed
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KartikPrabhu oh no it's already morning!
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TheGillies aaronpk: open in vlc: rtmp://54.188.76.170/live/livestream
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TheGillies it's my AWS adobe media server instance heh
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TheGillies they charge you 5 bucks a month on top of the hourly rate, meh kind of a racket
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TheGillies everywhere else is like 70 bucks a month and not hourly though
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sknebel I think it deserves a separate page (since /streaming showed e.g. netflix as an example, which is clearly different), so I un-redirected https://indieweb.org/live_streaming (cc gRegorLove)
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gRegorLove /livestreaming should go there too
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sknebel just did
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gRegorLove Cool :)
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@calum_ryan Confirmed Homebrew Website Clubs tomorrow: London @hubhotels Covent Garden Brighton @68MiddleSt RSVP: https://indieweb.org/events/2016-11-16-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/798494217576312832)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Kommentar zu Die Kommentarproblematik von drikkes" by drikkes on 2016-11-15 https://thopex.de/2016/11/die-kommentarproblematik/#comment-6936
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@HongPong you should look at @twittlesis https://t.co/kLCtzNb3Qp, has API & relational bios & http://indieweb.org @itsWanda @psygnisfive @annares? (twitter.com/_/status/798541297845817344)
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ben_thatmustbeme need to see if my spare laptop still works tonight
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ben_thatmustbeme so i can livestream IWC
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Loqi [indieweb] "Finally" on 2014-10-24 https://www.ouvre-boite.com/finally
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tantek hello #indieweb! IndieWebCamp MIT2 is TOMORROW!@
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tantek please invite people to the event online (either/both indie event and FB event) https://indieweb.org/2016/MIT2#RSVP
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tantek and even if you're not able to make it - we could still use help with creating all the event sub-pages like Schedule Introductions etc.
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tantek https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=2016/MIT2/Schedule&action=edit&redlink=1
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tantek https://indieweb.org/2016/MIT2/Introductions
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@benwerd If you're in Boston / Cambridge, help create new models for publishing and consuming information on November 16. https://indieweb.org/2016/MIT2 (twitter.com/_/status/798577997355724800)
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tantek England coming through for HWC tomorrow night!
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tantek both Brighton & London!
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calumryan tantek: good to see Brighton back after a break. Still hopeful of some more attendees for London but doesn’t look like anyone else for tomorrow. Considering how best to promote.
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Loqi calumryan: tantek left you a message 3 days, 17 hours ago: could you confirm venue for HWC London next week? https://indieweb.org/events/2016-11-16-homebrew-website-club#Where
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[barryf] calumryan: I'll be popping in for a bit. See you tomorrow?
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calumryan barryf: perfect see you there!
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calumryan barryf: is earlier better for you?
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[barryf] calumryan: 6pm would be better if possible - I'm seeing a show at 7pm in Leicester Square.
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calumryan barry: fine will bring it forward to 6pm
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calumryan barryf: *correction
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[barryf] Great. RSVP sent.
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@calum_ryan ? Time change for HWC London tomorrow: Nov 16th 18:00 https://calumryan.com/event/hwc-20161116/ https://indieweb.org/events/2016-11-16-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/798587440822972416)
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sl007 cweiske et al. IWC Berlin video should appear on Air Mozilla by tomorrow. Let you know. What I currently wonder about are error codes in the wild.
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sl007 E.g. apart from ENONENT etc. for indieauth-node : If value client_id is missing should it be 420 or 422
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Loqi [indieweb] "Funktioniert also. Ich kann bei Dir von meiner Website aus kommentieren und #Known schickt das dann als Reply in Deine Kommentare. Ich dachte, das klappt" by drikkes on 2016-11-15 https://drikk.es/2016/funktioniert-also-ich-kann-bei-dir-von-meiner-website-aus
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@miklb Looking forward to eavesdropping on IndieWebCamp MIT2 tomorrow & starting to bring #habari into the #IndieWeb fold. https://indieweb.org/next-iwc (twitter.com/_/status/798605076533223425)
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innerbeauty_ Hello
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PFMurph a heads up for anyone in a similar situation for laptop graphics: Nouveau has EXA acceleration for maxwell in bleeding-edge now.
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PFMurph Am currently compiling mesa
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Zegnat Hello IndieWeb!
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cweiske sl007, I simply send out 400 in my indieauth-openid proxy
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pfefferle good morning
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Zegnat Good morning pfefferle
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pfefferle hey Zegnat
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Zegnat What timezone is IWC MIT2 happening in? Wondering if I can catch the live stream
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sl007 Good Morning Zegnat, just btw : the Mozilla Cups are papermade but I saved one for you. UTC-05:00
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Zegnat Wow, that’s awesome! Thanks sl007! If you are ever in NL, let me know and we’ll go have coffee
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Zegnat Ah, So I can hopefully join in from work for the start. Thanks for the timezone reminder
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ben_thatmustbeme offline caching now turned on for https://inklings.io/inkstone
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ben_thatmustbeme its alive!
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ben_thatmustbeme need to ask KevinMarks to file an issue for that problem he has had with loging in via known
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Zegnat ben_thatmustbeme: "Unhandled rejection TypeError: data.auth_endpoint.indexOf is not a function." ?
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ben_thatmustbeme oh, not good
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KevinMarks Will do - it didn't like the redirect to the account page
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Loqi KevinMarks: tantek left you a message 1 day, 3 hours ago: HWC SF this week? Did you get in touch with sdepolo / GoDaddy? https://indieweb.org/events/2016-11-16-homebrew-website-club#Where
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ben_thatmustbeme Zegnat, what browser is that?
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Zegnat Safari
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Zegnat Really, I just clicked your link and tried to login. Nothing happened. Then checked the console and saw the quoted warning.
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ben_thatmustbeme have you ever logged on to it before?
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ben_thatmustbeme i know i showed it off a few times here and there
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Zegnat ben_thatmustbeme, no, this was the first time. Just clicked and entered my domain.
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Zegnat I wasn’t even actually going to use it, was just wondering what would happen.
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ben_thatmustbeme its a bug either way
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ben_thatmustbeme something i want to look in to
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ben_thatmustbeme thanks for the info
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Zegnat ?
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gRegorLove If any MIT2 attendees have session proposals, https://indieweb.org/2016/MIT2/Sessions is set up now.
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm guessing its having trouble discovering your auth / mp endpoints
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ben_thatmustbeme i need to have better errors for that
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aaronpk errorhandling++
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Loqi errorhandling has 1 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme well rather, i have error messages, but they didn't get triggered oddly
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ben_thatmustbeme not sure
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ben_thatmustbeme I'll have to reproduce it somewhere and inspect the net traffic
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Zegnat It might be because I don’t even have any endpoints set-up ;)
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ben_thatmustbeme ah, that would do it
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Zegnat Feel free to enter http://vanderven.se/martijn/ to reproduce
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Loqi Martijn van der Ven h
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KevinMarks If I login with "Kevinmarks.com " it says no endpoint
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aaronpk need an indieauth test suite :)
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KevinMarks Which is right, my mistake
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KevinMarks If I login with known it says "http://Known.kevinmarks.com" does not match the logged in user "http://known.kevinmarks.com/profile/kevinmarks".
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Zegnat Falling asleep at my screen. Good to find my IRC working again. Will check in for the live stream tomorrow! Have a good time all
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ben_thatmustbeme not running the catch statement at all... crazy
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gRegorLove Blank page with JS off, ben_thatmustbeme.
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aaronpk it's a JS app, that's to be expected :)
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ben_thatmustbeme still i should have no noscript info in there
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gRegorLove Sure, though I thought it was broken for a moment until I remembered I had it off temporarily
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gRegorLove Login worked
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gRegorLove Oh wow, all the settings. Nice
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, i went a bit overboard on settings
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ben_thatmustbeme but you can add your own custom fields
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gRegorLove In console, 401 for https://inklings.io/inkstone/php/route.php?q=syndicate-to on create post page
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, thats supposed to just relay to your micropub endpoint with ?q=syndicate-to
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gRegorLove And "Unhandled rejection Error: Error connecting to InkStone Server : Unexpected token e in JSON at position 4 https://inklings.io/inkstone/scripts/app-bundle.js"
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gRegorLove Yeah, my endpoint is really basic, probably 401s that request.
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ben_thatmustbeme ahh
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gRegorLove Need to get back to that and get up to speed with micropub
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, this is all on the latest spec of it
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm not as happy with the new logo though
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ben_thatmustbeme can see the other names i have planned http://inklings.io/img/svg/
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gRegorLove On create post, is the first icon supposed to say "note" instead of "name"?
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ben_thatmustbeme its the mp-field names
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ben_thatmustbeme so "name" = Title
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ben_thatmustbeme i should change those
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ben_thatmustbeme go in to settings and you'll see what i mean
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Loqi yea
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ben_thatmustbeme its using Field Name instead of Label on the left side
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ben_thatmustbeme I'm not really happy with the UI on it
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gRegorLove Gotcha
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ben_thatmustbeme oh and any modifications you do to the settings, is not cleared when you log out
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ben_thatmustbeme only personal info is
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ben_thatmustbeme so if you remove fields from the settings page, or add new ones
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ben_thatmustbeme they stay
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ben_thatmustbeme installing your own copy I tried to keep really easy as well
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ben_thatmustbeme thats something i'm really going to try for with inkwell (pubsub hub i'm building)
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