#indieweb 2016-11-16

2016-11-16 UTC
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snarfed1 no discussion here on twitter's new abuse tools yet? https://blog.twitter.com/2016/progress-on-addressing-online-abuse
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@callovarne I'm building my #indieweb #infrastructureascode with #Terraform. O'Reilly has an upcoming book to get you started: http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920061939.do (twitter.com/_/status/798693036439965696)
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miklb snarfed seems like a lazy way to address the issue.
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miklb "you won't be notificed when someone is abusing you, but you'll still see it"
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@benwerd @wakest I do have an #indieweb profile with most of my tweets at https://t.co/jSWLKj1luz. (twitter.com/_/status/798731374035353600)
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tantek in response to https://twitter.com/wakest/status/798730490966515713
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@wakest @benwerd if I wanted to follow you from an ostatus compatible network ala gnu social what would your user ID be? (twitter.com/_/status/798730490966515713)
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ben_thatmustbeme rhiaro: you have any suggestions on places to get breakfast tomorrow for IWC
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: I wish I was coming
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk won't be in until 12:30pm and I won't likely be able to pick stuff up in the morning. I'm struggling having thrown my back out this week
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tantek GWG, I believe ben_thatmustbeme will try to get remote video working
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: please allow me to do the literal heavy lifting / carrying of foods and such
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GWG tantek: I have to work. I started a training class last Monday.
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tantek GWG, well hopefully you can follow in IRC at least
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tantek coded archive.org pinging support Sunday and still hasn't had time to test it
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GWG I have a class from 9:30-2:30. But I will read the logs/watch the video.
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tantek re: https://twitter.com/wakest/status/798739833745063937
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@wakest @benwerd is there any reason @withknown isn't federated with GNU social yet? (twitter.com/_/status/798739833745063937)
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tantek do we have bugs filed on GNU social to add support for GNU social to consume PubSub + h-feed? as well as accept Webmentions etc.?
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tantek what is GNU social?
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Loqi GNU social is a free software project that "will be a decentralized social network that you can install on your own server" https://indieweb.org/GNU_social
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tantek mattl - anyway to check for existing issues / bugs reported for these GNU Social requests? https://indieweb.org/GNU_social#Requests
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@t 2d ago: coded @Falcon to auto-archive @InternetArchive pages I link/reply to. Verified! Source https://indieweb.org/Internet_Archive%23Trigger_Archive_in_PHP (ttk.me t4kL3) (twitter.com/_/status/798750679997161472)
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tantek ironically, indieweb itself is problematic on archive.org: https://archive.org/search.php?query=https%3A%2F%2Findieweb.org%2F
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tantek "The search engine encountered the following error: Search engine returned invalid information or was unresponsive. We are working to resolve this issue. Thanks for your patience."
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aaronpk uh wat
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aaronpk hasn't seen that search URL before
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aaronpk but https://web.archive.org/web/20160830055041/https://indieweb.org/ looks fine
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aaronpk i think you just found an edge case in their search engine. https://archive.org/search.php?query=indieweb has results.
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tantek wat
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tantek what's weird
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tantek darn it I keep breaking things
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tantek aaronpk: oddly enough not the one I just linked to https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://indieweb.org/Internet_Archive#Trigger_Archive_in_PHP
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tantek so now I have to debug why that is
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tantek maybe it's a bug in their /save/ URL if it gets a frag id?
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tantek I'm not pruning before doing the curl
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aaronpk you have to URL encode the # probably
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tantek no it should be ignoring it
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tantek and archiving the whole page
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tantek weird, without the https it says the page is on the web and offers a link to save it
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tantek https://web.archive.org/web/*/indieweb.org/Internet_Archive
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aaronpk that is strange
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tantek so I'll have something to debug tomorrow
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tantek !tell KevinMarks,benwerd could you notify Johannes (j12t) of the status of tomorrow's HWC SF? He's RSVPd, and there's no "Where" on the event page. Please ping him if it's not happening so he doesn't make the drive for no reason: https://indieweb.org/events/2016-11-16-homebrew-website-club#San_Francisco
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KevinMarks Interesting hard problem: how to get your twitter followers to follow you elsewhere in case you are forced off it.
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Loqi KevinMarks: tantek left you a message 14 minutes ago: could you notify Johannes (j12t) of the status of tomorrow's HWC SF? He's RSVPd, and there's no "Where" on the event page. Please ping him if it's not happening so he doesn't make the drive for no reason: https://indieweb.org/events/2016-11-16-homebrew-website-club#San_Francisco
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KevinMarks I'll edit the wiki in a bit. I've been phone only all day, so wiki Challenged
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petermolnar KevinMarks re: "how to get your twitter followers to follow you elsewhere in case you are forced off it" that is not a twitter-restricted issue and is one of the problems we tried to talk about at iwc brighton last time: http://indieweb.org/2016/Brighton/gaps
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petermolnar !tell KevinMarks re: "how to get your twitter followers to follow you elsewhere in case you are forced off it" that is not a twitter-restricted issue and is one of the problems we tried to talk about at iwc brighton last time: http://indieweb.org/2016/Brighton/gaps
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat petermolnar: it is a recurring topic. There was a lot of talk in Brighton about the how-to for joining the IndieWeb if you aren't a web developer.
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sknebel and Berlin spent a lot of time on that as well
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sknebel (wb Zegnat btw. bouncer troubles or just no time for IRC?)
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sknebel (that = non-dev friendlyness and use-cases)
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petermolnar Zegnat not the join indieweb part, the how you make followers follow you elsewhere part
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Zegnat petermolnar, those often go hand-in-hand in my experience
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Zegnat sknebel: a mix of both.
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Zegnat sknebel, I am guessing you aren't attending HWC Nürnberg next week? ;)
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sknebel Zegnat: bit expensive in both cash and time for just a few hours ;)
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Zegnat Guess I'll just have to try and swing by Potsdam next time I am heading for Germany
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@kevinmarks @brucel like this? https://socialwg.indiewebcamp.com/irc/social/2016-11-15 (twitter.com/_/status/798819747689164801)
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sknebel Zegnat: or organize an IndieWebCamp in the Netherlands ;)
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Zegnat I have literally no network here to use to organise anything
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cweiske phinde has a better pager now: https://indiechat.search.cweiske.de/?q=wordpress
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cweiske prev/next are the most outside buttons since they are the ones used most
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cweiske no first/last buttons, but the page numbers of the first/last pages
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cweiske more intelligent "..." spaces that only appear when there are at least two page numbers to hide
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cweiske so "[7] .. [9]" will never happen because "[8]" takes the same space as "..."
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cweiske so it will be "[7] [8] [9]" and "[7] .. [10]"
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Zegnat cweiske, how do you decide how many to show? At page 1 there are 8 blocks between prev/next (including ...) but at page 8 there are 11.
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Zegnat !tell aaronpk was this a bug from Loqi's end or mine? https://chat.indieweb.org/2016-09-07/1473273521994000
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [Zegnet] Seems like my bouncer died, but must be an unrelated problem. Can’t even SSH in right now
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cweiske Zegnat, there are 5 in the middle + 2 at each end + 2x ...
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cweiske one ... gets replaced with the number if it would only hide one single page
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cweiske and if the current page is at beginning, there are 4 visible following
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cweiske !1! [2] [3] [4] [5] ..
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Zegnat aah, gotcha, cweiske! And when the middle 5 happen to overlap with the 2 at the end, you get less total blocks.
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cweiske yes
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cweiske I just don't know if the pager should really have two pages at beginning and end
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cweiske or if one suffices
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cweiske I personally don't see why the second should be there when I'm at page 40
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Zegnat cweiske, true, I don't think having permanent access to page 2 is a requirement
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j4y_funabashi lo
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@dissolve333 On my way to IndieWebCamp MIT 2016 2. First time I've been to a one day IWC. (https://t.co/MRH44dHrBW) (twitter.com/_/status/798870636303175680)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Kommentar zu Die Kommentarproblematik von Thomas" by Thomas on 2016-11-16 https://thopex.de/2016/11/die-kommentarproblematik/#comment-6950
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Loqi [indieweb] "Kommentar zu Die Kommentarproblematik von drikkes" by drikkes on 2016-11-16 https://thopex.de/2016/11/die-kommentarproblematik/#comment-6949
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ben_thatmustbeme Train slightly delayed getting in today
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@riku_kai_sou 帰る前に?で雑誌調べようと思って 見たら??ド肝ぶち抜かれたー?✨ あー居残りして良かった?? 最高じゃないかぁーー?? #AyaBambi #Ayasato #Bambisato #INDIEweb @AyaSato1006… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/798881139968483329 (twitter.com/_/status/798881139968483329)
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Zegnat ben_thatmustbeme, are you setting up a livestream?
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[tantek] On my way to Flour
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ben_thatmustbeme Zegnat, I'm going to try definitely
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[tantek] I see 9 signups so I'll pickup 6 pastries
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ben_thatmustbeme rhiaro: we cannot get in. Hit a locked door
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[tantek] Any prefs ben_thatmustbeme?
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[tantek] Or rhiaro?
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[tantek] Btw slack on iOS perf has gotten very poor. It's taking forever just render previous text messages
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tommorris [tantek]: been trying https://discordapp.com/ for an unrelated community ;-)
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rhiaro Where are you ben_thatmustbeme?
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rhiaro Nearly there
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rhiaro Though I have no idea if my MIT card still works
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aaronpk good morning! I'm on the train to the airport in PDX!
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Loqi aaronpk: Zegnat left you a message 3 hours, 32 minutes ago: was this a bug from Loqi's end or mine? https://chat.indieweb.org/2016-09-07/1473273521994000
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ben_thatmustbeme rhiaro: i got in, it was the door just outside the room
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rhiaro I got lost twice putting up the signs yesterday so I don't knoe what door that is
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@barryf London #indieweb people: join us at Homebrew Website Club tonight at 6pm in Covent Garden. … https://barryfrost.com/2016/11/london-indieweb-people-join-us-at (twitter.com/_/status/798890161094262784)
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[tantek] Tommorris I no longer trust random native apps, they're slower than web
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ben_thatmustbeme [tantek]: i'm good with whatever
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[tantek] Seriously how hard is it to render a bunch of text quickly and lazy load images and other fluff
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rhiaro Coffee
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aaronpk is looking forward to getting a cup of stumptown coffee for the airplane
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[tantek] Do they do containers of coffee at Flour?
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tommorris [tantek]: can be. I distrust them because I can't see how they work.
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[tantek] Can't see it on the menu. So I'll just get a couple of large brews
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aaronpk Pretty sure they did that last time I was there with rhiaro
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tommorris [tantek]: the nice thing about web sites/apps is they don't break Arthur Weasley's rule: "Never trust anything that can think for itself if you can't see where it keeps its brain"
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tommorris source for Weasley's rule: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/4857-ginny-said-mr-weasley-flabbergasted-haven-t-i-taught-you-anything
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[tantek] They have Joe to go
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[tantek] That's what they call the coffee in a box
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rhiaro tantek yeah that
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ben_thatmustbeme trying to work out livestreaming from linux this morning
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aaronpk lol good luck with that
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, okay, i give up on that
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aaronpk If you find a generic RTMP client you can use it to push to YouTube
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ben_thatmustbeme supposedly ffmpeg can do it, but i need to figure out the exact command line args
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tantek we have coffee and pastries from Flour!
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calumryan What is coffee?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "coffee" yet. Would you like to create it?
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ben_thatmustbeme if anyone wants to test. https://appear.in/iwc2016mit2
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rhiaro coffee is an optional fuel to power indiewebcamp events
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Loqi ok
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ben_thatmustbeme who is on the call?
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tantek aaronpk I think that coffee question is for you, since you're the one that makes coffee posts
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rhiaro http://rhiaro.co.uk/tags/coffee
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[sebsel] I'm on the call
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ben_thatmustbeme hi sebsel, we're just trying to get things set up now
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[sebsel] Oh nevermind me. You asked to test, so I test and it's working :)
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ben_thatmustbeme thank you
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[sebsel] I'll work a bit on my own site meanwhile
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aaronpk I have wifi and power on this flight! I'm a little afraid of seeing how expensive the wifi will be so I may or may not log on from the flight
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ben_thatmustbeme discussion of FB editing, so i am unmuting
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rhiaro OH: Nothing's up any more.
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ben_thatmustbeme notes from sandro discussion
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ben_thatmustbeme sandro: i want to allow people to be automatically "guests" on my site, it creates an account for the as guest10328 for example and they can like and comment, etc
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ben_thatmustbeme but then gives them a settings option where they can input their email and it will create a link from that
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ben_thatmustbeme other idea was to have a centralized glocbalsettings.org where it will host your url stored in localsettings?
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Zegnat finally finds the time to jump on the live stream for a little while
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Zegnat Wow that hurt my ears
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tantek s/glocbalsettings/globalsettings
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ben_thatmustbeme sorry
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Zegnat The mic in the camera?
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ben_thatmustbeme yes
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aaronpk ?
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Zegnat Moving the camera definitely isn't pleasant on the ears, hahaha, other than that people are pretty easy to hear so that's nice.
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Loqi hehe
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Zegnat Are we talking about svbtle's policy to keep stuff online? I think Posthaven had that in place before them, right?
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Zegnat Posthaven being made by the guys from Posterous
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ben_thatmustbeme okay, i will not move the camera unless needed then
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Zegnat It does help with hearing what people are saying, because you also aim the mic. Just the sound during the moving really spikes :( Reliable sound does seem like the hardest thing to get going at these events
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Zegnat Camera back :)
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ben_thatmustbeme sorry about that
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sknebel I mostly hear typing
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ben_thatmustbeme since i'm just sharing my screen really, i figured best if i close chrome so my texts don't pop up
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ben_thatmustbeme okay, i'll move the cam
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ben_thatmustbeme i muted first. is that better?
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Zegnat Definitely, hahaha
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ben_thatmustbeme making sure the audio is on that too, not my laptop
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Zegnat I am hearing some clear voices now
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ben_thatmustbeme oh good
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Zegnat IRC notes <3
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ben_thatmustbeme inklings.io/inkstone
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Zegnat karma++
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Loqi karma has 5 karma in this channel (29 overall)
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Zegnat kudos--
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Loqi kudos has -1 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme kudo--
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Loqi kudo has -1 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme kudos++
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Loqi slow down!
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Zegnat Blocked, ben_thatmustbeme! Loqi does not like kudos either.
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sknebel gives Loqi some kudos
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Loqi grabs the kudos
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Zegnat thought he dropped into Wonderland with talk of Jubjub birds
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ben_thatmustbeme notes: tantek uses archive.org api to tell archive.org to archive any URL he links to, likes, etc
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ben_thatmustbeme but it seems that it doesn't work if the page is served over HTTPS
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Zegnat has to leave
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Zegnat Going to bike home, will be back soonish
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calumryan Leaving for London HWC
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miklb morning all
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tantek sandro just mentioned having a "personal wayback machine"
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tantek what is warc?
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Loqi WARC is a web archive (Web ARChive) format designed to collect all of the resources that make up a web page into a single item that does not require any external references when opened https://indieweb.org/WARC
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tantek WARC << https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_ARChive
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Loqi ok, I added "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_ARChive" to the "See Also" section of /WARC
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tantek discussion of how about if you take the result of archiving it, and link to that
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tantek if you did that instead, it would break webmention verification as well as vouch
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tantek but could do it in addition
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tantek like a parenthetical (archive) link after every link
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[kevinmarks] This is where hash links get interesting
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Loqi [kevinmarks]: petermolnar left you a message 8 hours, 35 minutes ago: re: "how to get your twitter followers to follow you elsewhere in case you are forced off it" that is not a twitter-restricted issue and is one of the problems we tried to talk about at iwc brighton last time: http://indieweb.org/2016/Brighton/gaps
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KevinMarks_ https://twitter.com/aardrian/status/790339921412255745
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@aardrian OMG AMP is XHTML2: https://twitter.com/vincetardy/status/789828656382214144 alt: New Yorker page with crying mobile browser with the text “…this page is not valid AMP HTML.” (twitter.com/_/status/790339921412255745)
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calumryan Arrived for HWC London, near the back in the usual place
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Zegnat All these IWCs and HWCs. I think we need to set-up our HWC Schiphol, petermolnar
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tantek yes!
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tantek tommorris: you going to HWC London tonight?
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tommorris Alas no. Prior engagement. Happy to go to one soon.
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tantek I'm sure calumryan can keep inviting you :)
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tantek HWC London seems quite regular now (once a month?)
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calumryan tantek: trying to be fortnightly
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snarfed chrome team's big picture perspective on progressive webapps: https://developers.googleblog.com/2016/11/chrome-dev-summit-2016-the-mobile-web-moves-forward.html
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aaronpk Good afternoon indiewebcamp!
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aaronpk Just landed in Boston!
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aaronpk I wrote most of a post on the plane that I hope will be my demo if I get there in time!
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tantek hey!
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tantek has anyone reposted, cited, or quoted an entire tweetstorm?
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tantek what is a tweetstorm?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "tweetstorm" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek a tweetstorm is a series of tweets, each replying to the previous, as a method of expressing a longer series of related thoughts as a single thread on [[Twitter]].
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Loqi ok
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tantek tweetstorm << http://tweetstorm.io
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Loqi ok, I added "http://tweetstorm.io" to the "See Also" section of /tweetstorm
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tantek looks like they detect tweetstorms for a user, e.g. http://tweetstorm.io/user/FreedomofPress and then offer a permalink for a specific tweetstorm e.g. http://tweetstorm.io/user/FreedomofPress/798614923832070144
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aaronpk ?
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miklb "Compose & Schedule your Tweetstorm in one convenient page." thought that was called a blog post ?
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tantek miklb hilarious. yes and they've turned that feature off
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aaronpk When is demos?
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Loqi Demos are IndieWeb projects with instructions on how to demonstrate them, preferably quickly like under a minute or so, and lists of demo sessions from past IndieWebCamps https://indieweb.org/Demos
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rhiaro aaronpk: when you get here
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aaronpk haha crap that doesn't give me time to finish mine
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Loqi hehe
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rhiaro okay 30 minutes after you get here
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rhiaro whatever..
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rhiaro I don't think we have much of a schedule
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rhiaro It's just me and tantek and ben_thatmustbeme
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tantek the schedule is flexible
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tantek I keep going down rabbitholes
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rhiaro That's what I meant. Flexible. That makes it sound deliberate.
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aaronpk ?
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aaronpk You should get a rabbit to fill those holes
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Loqi it is probable
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ben_thatmustbeme i just reopened the stream
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tantek for demo purposes: http://www.wired.co.uk/article/ip-bill-law-details-passed
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rhiaro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtHJG5Q-f7I
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tantek ^^^ news report about that IP-bill
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Zegnat I think I have seen him (Adrian?) talk on this topic before.
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Zegnat Re, rhiaro’s video link
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rhiaro yeah his ISP A&A (I used them in Edinburgh) take a deliberate stance against this stuff
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rhiaro censorship etc
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rhiaro Andrews and Arnold
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KevinMarks_ So is there a stream for demos? I can noterlive it
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tantek I think we already did them
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aaronpk mine was held together by a thread
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tantek FYI KevinMarks_ you should read up on that stuff ^^^
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KevinMarks_ I've been following the IPB through ORG
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ben_thatmustbeme Tantek, aaronpk,. Another reason for rel=self being needed, and a much more important one I feel. Making sure that you don't subscribe to a URL that has extra (ignored) query params
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ben_thatmustbeme Google tracking links would immediately break your ability to subscribe to anything
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GWG Back...how was IWC MIT?
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@benwerd I missed this: Snowden advocated federation as an antidote to filter bubbles. http://www.scribblrs.com/snowden-stop-relying-facebook-news/ #indieweb #decentralize (twitter.com/_/status/799035341361516544)
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Loqi [indieweb] "I missed this: Snowden advocated federation as an antidote to filter bubbles. http://www.scribblrs.com/snowden-stop-relying-facebook-news/ #indieweb #decentralize" by Ben Werdmüller on 2016-11-16 http://werd.io/2016/i-missed-this-snowden-advocated-federation-as-an-antidote-to
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