#indieweb 2016-11-17

2016-11-17 UTC
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@iNavegar I missed this: Snowden advocated federation as an antidote to filter bubbles. http://www.scribblrs.com/snowden-stop-relying-facebook-news/ #indieweb #… http://werd.io/2016/i-missed-this-snowden-advocated-federation-as-an-antidote-to (twitter.com/_/status/799052843600723971)
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sknebel random thought: is there a pattern of indicating during which event a post was created? I was thinking about how to display the timestamps on posts, and maybe something like "during IWC Berlin 2016" is a more valuable detail to readers than a precise date+time?
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snarfed sknebel: many silos now let you check into an event as well as/instead of a location. e.g. FB and instagram
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snarfed see e.g. the FB and IG copies of https://snarfed.org/2016-11-05_22737
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Loqi [Ryan Barrett] At Bay Area Science Festival with Gina Rossman Barrett. 15002504_10102658704486693_4227453504433708251_o
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sknebel would you do that for e.g. all images you post from there?
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KartikPrabhu how about tagging the photos with an event?
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KartikPrabhu "p-category h-event"
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sknebel right, that could work
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aaronpk I was about to say that sounds like event tagging
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KartikPrabhu i wonder how many combinations of "p-x h-y" are just awaiting use-cases
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KartikPrabhu mf2 seems to be very, very lfexible
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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cweiske hiho
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sknebel morning!
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Loqi *yawn*
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Zegnat What's happening today?
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cweiske usual work day
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cweiske that reminds me that I wanted to publish a post describung my usual work day
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cweiske oh awesome https://github.com/samyk/poisontap
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cweiske "permanently backdoor all javascript libraries hosted on the big CDN providers like google"
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petermolnar !tell Zegnat HWC shipol, that's actually a good idea, I can do that! :D
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[sebsel] I’m in for it as well :slightly_smiling_face:
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[sebsel] (meh, Slack messes up emoji)
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Zegnat Slack emoji do not translate to IRC, if that's what you meant
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Loqi Zegnat: petermolnar left you a message 10 minutes ago: HWC shipol, that's actually a good idea, I can do that! :D
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Zegnat petermolnar, I remembered you saying it was hard to meet-up somewhere in Amsterdam itself. But for me it would be no problem to get to Schiphol by train.
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Zegnat Who is sebsel?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Seblog.nl
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Zegnat sebsel, I am always looking for random meet-ups in the Netherlands. So feel free to ping me if you know about something happening.
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Zegnat Wait, you are in Nijmegen? Definitely need to ping me then. I am currently roaming Wageningen!
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[sebsel] Ah! I will do!
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petermolnar I can take the later plane on Wednesdays, when I'm over there, meaning I can stay till ~20:00
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petermolnar don't know if that works
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[sebsel] "Meetings take place every other Wednesday right after work, 18:30-19:30.” So you’ll have 30 minutes to get on a plane then.
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cweiske did someone try to plot irc-people on a map?
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Zegnat cweiske: not that I know of. I did update my timezone with locale info when I moved from Sweden to the Netherlands
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@KnoGno #indieweb have you seen this private sharing comms platform we've built?: https://onty.com/Home/Login (twitter.com/_/status/799205128339333120)
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Zegnat sebsel: while that is the "right" date, really, we can do any date.
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Zegnat I think Edinburgh was on non-wednesdays..?
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petermolnar [sebsel] plane's leaving az 20:55, so plenty of time
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[sebsel] Sounds good, sounds good!
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[sebsel] So next we need a place there, with wifi?
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Zegnat Isn't there WiFi throughout the plaza?
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Zegnat "At Schiphol you can go online in all public areas for an unlimited period of time free of charge with your own device (mobile phone, iPad or laptop)." - https://www.schiphol.nl/Travellers/AtSchiphol/AirportFacilities/InternetTelephone/InternetAccessEverywhere.htm
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Zegnat I think I could do 2016-11-30 (http://indieweb.org/events/2016-11-30-homebrew-website-club) already, if people are game.
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Zegnat is going to have lunch with coworkers now, will be back
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[sebsel] I can do that too
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petermolnar the schipol wifi is... well... sometimes tolerable
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petermolnar 11-30 might even work for me, but I'm not sure yet, I'll figure it out soon
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petermolnar http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/98444 - this should probably go to the "Why" page
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petermolnar AMEX Business Cards
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petermolnar AMEX Consumer Cards
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petermolnar Credit Card Offers
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petermolnar Trip Notes
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petermolnar Credit Card Posts
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petermolnar Mileage Posts
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cweiske Why << http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/98444
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Loqi ok, I added "http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/98444" to the "See Also" section of /Why
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petermolnar DansDeals.com
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petermolnar Only The Hottest Deals And Free Stuff!
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petermolnar Wednesday, November 16th, 2016, 5:00 pm
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petermolnar PSA: Don’t Mess With The Google!
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petermolnar Several DDF members are reporting that they have not been able to access their Google accounts over the past few days.
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petermolnar This is the error message they encounter when trying to login:
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petermolnar google-accountsa
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cweiske why << http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/98444
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Loqi ok, I added "http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/98444" to the "See Also" section of /why
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petermolnar They also got an email stating that all of their data will be deleted if they do not successfully appeal their suspension:
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petermolnar your-google-account-has-been-suspended-anshelkgmail-com-gmail-google-chrome-2016-11-16-20-21-45-1
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petermolnar It turns out the common denominator is that they had all bought Google Pixel phones and shipped them to a phone dealer in New Hampshire who paid them a profit on each phone. There is no sales tax in New Hampshire and the phones are then resold to others.
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petermolnar The problem is that many of them didn’t read the terms that they agreed to when buying the phone from the Google store. Those state “You may only purchase Devices for your personal use. You may not commercially resell any Device, but you may give the Device as a gift.”
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petermolnar I did some research and found the dealer, who feels awful about the situation. There are over 200 people who are locked out of their Google accounts currently. Some of those people used multiple Google accounts in order to place orders for more than 5 phones and they are locked out of all of the accounts. The dealer is more than happy to return all the phones to Google if it will rectify the situation.
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cweiske Loqi, stop petermolnar
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petermolnar The dealer has been ordering phones from Google in this manner since the original Nexus and has never had an issue. In total a few thousand phones were ordered this time, which is fewer phones than were ordered in the past. However this time was the first time that they were ordered through Project Fi, as they were shipping out faster that way. The phones were all ordered at the full retail price and about 500 orders were cancelled by
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petermolnar Google.
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petermolnar Google has apparently closed the accounts of everyone who shipped their phones directly to his address in New Hampshire, regardless of how many phones the account ordered or whether the phones actually shipped or were cancelled by Google.
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petermolnar The account closure includes all of Google’s services. The people affected don’t have access to Gmail, Google Drive, Google Voice, or anything from Google. They don’t have any access to gift cards, bills, travel confirmations, work documents, etc that were saved in their Gmail accounts.
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petermolnar Worse yet, emails that are sent to their Gmail accounts are being bounced back as undeliverable. Even if Google relents and reactivates their accounts they will never know what emails they missed while the account was locked.
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petermolnar Some people had family photos saved in their drive that are now lost. It’s the 21st century version of losing priceless mementos in a house fire.
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petermolnar Some people are also locked out of other online accounts that require email authentication, which of course they can no longer access. Many accounts require email access in order to change a password or update your email. There’s a world of pain in store for people who have lost their primary email account.
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petermolnar I’m not defending those who violated the terms of the sale, but I do think it is heavy-handed for Google to block access to all of their services for doing so. Was violating Google’s phone resale policy really worthy of an effective digital death penalty?
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petermolnar One DDF member even claims that his Google account, that didn’t order a phone, was banned just for having a recovery account that was banned for ordering a phone.
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petermolnar Quite frankly it’s scary to think about how much I rely upon Google for everyday life. Losing everything that I’ve accumulated with Google for the past 15 years would be devastating.
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petermolnar There are a few lessons here for everyone:
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petermolnar 1. Don’t mess around with Google or any company that you simply can’t live without." this is a terrible advice
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petermolnar whooo
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petermolnar sorry
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petermolnar bad ctrl-c
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petermolnar sorry, everyeon
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petermolnar I'm really sorry :( I'm going to be much more careful with copy-paste
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sknebel checks if there are like 9€-flights to AMS
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@Moturoais So what are you doing with that film you made? Why not put it on our Roku channel. You'll be glad you did. #indiefilm #indie #indieweb #Roku (twitter.com/_/status/799227708450410497)
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Zegnat sknebel, would you fly in for HWC? :p
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sknebel Zegnat: 2h30 travel time per direction is still a bit long, but closer than a lot of other places ;) but a bit ecologically iresponsible, and expensive, so not quite
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sknebel maybe we should get a virtual europeans-in-far-away-places HWC started in IRC
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tantek Zegnat - which city are you considering? Add it to https://indieweb.org/planning#2017 !
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[sebsel] We were considering Schiphol, Amsterdam’s airport. Technically that’s Haarlemmermeer, but let’s call it Schiphol.
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Zegnat IWC is too big for me, tantek. We're just talking HWC ;) And possibly within 2016
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[sebsel] First HWC, then IWC :slightly_smiling_face:
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aaronpk I would strongly consider coming to IWC Schipol
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Zegnat The advantage of HWC is that we can just pick any of the cafes/bars that have space. IWC you really need better WiFi and preferably some sort of conference room.
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aaronpk True
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[sebsel] It’s not that they don’t have it there. It’s just expensive. But it’s not impossible.
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Zegnat I think this is where the original discussion of HWC the Netherlands (Amsterdam) started: https://chat.indieweb.org/2016-08-15#t1471284365811000. I'll go to the logs when I get home. Can't find any of our discussion on the wiki...
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Zegnat More: https://chat.indieweb.org/2016-08-18#t1471537056883000 (also, a lot of mangled unicode there, apparently originating from me, ping aaronpk)
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Zegnat Thanks cweiske for indexing all our chatlogs for searching!
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aaronpk hm odd
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aaronpk I hope that's correct in my storage and it's just wrong encoding in the browser
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[sebsel] So should we at least add Amsterdam to potential city’s on /planning?
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[sebsel] cities*
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Zegnat I think /planning is only IWC?
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[sebsel] I’m still interested in that :)
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Zegnat We should probably put it here: http://indieweb.org/hwc#Up-and-coming_Meetings
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Loqi yea
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Zegnat If you are interested, add it!
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@hiperterminal Rumbo a la Universidad Pedagógica Nacional. Haré una charla sobre defensa del acceso a la información e indie web. http://wiki.nomono.co/index.php?title=Archivo%3A2016-11-17-IndieWeb.pdf (twitter.com/_/status/799239695318286336)
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[sebsel] I added something.
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[sebsel] But yea, let’s first do a HWC.
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Zegnat I am likely in a better position in 2017 to help voxpelli and try a Malmö IWC than Amsterdam IWC :(
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sl007 Zegnat: What really would make sense (in my opinion) is to have 2 or 3 IWC in a row - This would be the case with Düsseldorf / Nürnberg and I think Amsterdam could make sense - as said what I would try to organize is another platinum sponsor for the time inbetween then: With that money I would organize something like a "building blocks hackathon" for the complete time (enhancement to the etherpads with a "code together"-editor / git
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Zegnat sl007: very few people can take that much time off from work though
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Zegnat I am really interested in your DUS->NUE plans though!
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[sebsel] I think that would make sense. It’s a pity that I have never been to an IWC in person, and that DUS/NUE are the first ones I can attend. It’s strange to organize an event you’ve never been to.
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cweiske is there a reader that shows comments inline?
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cweiske already discussed: https://indieweb.org/reader#In-stream_comments_and_likes
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cweiske "This is especially noticeable when I want to comment on something and then realize someone may have made the same comment, a better comment, or a comment that makes my comment seem silly."
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aaronpk search++
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aaronpk i'm not even sure how I *want* a reader to show comments tho
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KartikPrabhu feedly does it, by basically opening the post in an "in-built" browser, which happens to be a Chrome version
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KartikPrabhu Feedly app on Mobile
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mlncn Good? Bad? IndieWeb compatible? https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/daplie-the-cloud-system-to-take-back-the-internet#/
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tantek mlncn good q. crowdfunded efforts at decentralization don't have a good track record of working with other efforts due to the crowdfunding expectations of delivering something in particular to funders
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petermolnar mlncn both. good, because it gives your data to you; bad, because people forgot to take care of their things: this, being a single device, is fragile and will result in tears when it breaks and there's no backup - it's less likely for dropbox to lose data like this; there are other ways for them though.
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@steveivy @t @adactio How are you storing the correct WA link for your links per: https://indieweb.org/Internet_Archive ? IE, how do subsequent builds not overwrite (twitter.com/_/status/799284059536900096)
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petermolnar down at the questions: "We construct API queries from JSON, so no SQLi" - those things are unrelated o.O
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Zegnat “A good point to bring up, however, is that security won't be used (or implemented) unless it is convenient as well” - that is an odd thing to say (re: Daplie cloud system).
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@HongPong I recommend more free software syndication+ network activity. please see https://t.co/2xeMd9uhkp, and https://github.com/indieweb #FakeNewsSite (twitter.com/_/status/799293900833714177)
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@dalareo Own your content. https://indieweb.org/ https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/799311139700142081)
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benwerd For indiewebbers who are aligned this way, I'm finding the Progressive Coders Network to be a very positive community: http://www.progcode.co/
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message 5 days, 19 hours ago: could you confirm venue for HWC SF next week? https://indieweb.org/events/2016-11-16-homebrew-website-club#Where (I'll be out of town in Cambridge MA for IWC MIT2 and W3C SWWG f2f)
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message 3 days, 1 hour ago: HWC SF this week? Did you get in touch with sdepolo / GoDaddy? https://indieweb.org/events/2016-11-16-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message 1 day, 14 hours ago: could you notify Johannes (j12t) of the status of tomorrow's HWC SF? He's RSVPd, and there's no "Where" on the event page. Please ping him if it's not happening so he doesn't make the drive for no reason: https://indieweb.org/events/2016-11-16-homebrew-website-club#San_Francisco
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benwerd I'm telling them about indieweb, but I figured I'd do the opposite too.
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Zegnat benwerd, I never heard about progcode, thanks for mentioning them
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benwerd I think they're pretty new.
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benwerd Also: I think there's a lot of room for an IndieWebCamp DC 2017. Like, let's say, on January 22nd.
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benwerd When there will be a lot of activists and aligned people in town. (Huge marches are planned for January 21st.)
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aaronpk are you volunteering to organize? ;-)
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cweiske benwerd, what are the plans for withknown?
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benwerd aaronpk: yes
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bignose benwerd: <URL: http://www.progcode.co/> “Join us in Slack”, is anyone agitating within the organisation to switch to an open and federated system like Matrix?
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cweiske looks like much things happened in git since the last release
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cweiske s/much/many/
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cweiske which was in april
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benwerd cweiske: There will be a new release. Erin is heading things up, and the focus has been on commercial community sites and making revenue.
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cweiske may I ask how that's going?
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benwerd Known has made significantly more revenue than it received in investment at this point. The refocus on communities has been a very good thing.
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cweiske I wish you that it keeps going well.
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benwerd bignose: No, the focus isn't so much on open facilitation tools, which I think is a red herring in the short term. It _is_ on creating tools to support activists.
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benwerd cweiske: Thank you. Erin is doing a particularly good job.
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benwerd erinjo++
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cweiske indieweb chat search defaults to date sort now, http://indiechat.search.cweiske.de/?q=sorting
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aaronpk cweiske++
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aaronpk how often do you poll the feed btw?
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aaronpk so far we've spent most of the day talking about PubSubHubbub and I want to enable it for the chat feed soon and then you can subscribe to that
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cweiske currently once per hour (#indieweb)
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cweiske turns out that I have 40% of push implemented in phinde already
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