#indieweb 2016-11-22
2016-11-22 UTC
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@RikMende it's called the web, with #indieweb we could de-privatize interaction back to the open web, Yes! see also @withknown https://twitter.com/cvoxel/status/799917247439503360 (twitter.com/_/status/800871396540817408)
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@ChrisAldrich @cvoxel You can totally do it with your WordPress blog already http://indieweb.com/WordPress (twitter.com/_/status/800891791499149312)
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ben_thatmustbeme forgot to mention that bit
# ben_thatmustbeme GWG: Hello, GWG
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Loqi Grav is a flat-file CMS built on PHP, with Twig templating, and YAML + Markdown for storing articles (YAML for metadata, Markdown for the content) https://indieweb.org/grav
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@sikkdays @getgrav Are there any indieweb plugins or compatibility worked into Grav? https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/799755641099317252)
# ben_thatmustbeme and it wasn't all that much hacking, there was a lot of talking about random news
# ben_thatmustbeme yay! it worked
# ben_thatmustbeme i can now successfully use the URL Forwarder app to Like and Reply from the share menu in android
# ben_thatmustbeme with inkstone
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# ben_thatmustbeme Yes
# ben_thatmustbeme Very different ui now
# ben_thatmustbeme I mean it's pretty much completely rewritten
# ben_thatmustbeme Now? Great
# ben_thatmustbeme inklings.io/inkstone
# ben_thatmustbeme It's up to date with the spec. So if there are issues it may be that
# ben_thatmustbeme At least I believe it is
# ben_thatmustbeme I think it will be possible to do file uploading pretty easily too
# ben_thatmustbeme Also github.com/dissolve/inkstone if you have issues or want to set up your own instance. I tried to keep it as simple as possible
# ben_thatmustbeme Yeah, I may have give a bit overboard
# ben_thatmustbeme But I really wanted to have that ability to adds fields on your own
# ben_thatmustbeme Anyway, I'm off to bed
# ben_thatmustbeme Goodnight
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TheGillies Woo I got my micropub endpoint to post to my static site generator
# TheGillies php is really nice for that kinda stuff was like 8 lines of code heh
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[jeremycherfas] tantek Grav is a rather nice CMS, which as far as I know has nothing yet in the way of plugins for indieweb. getgrav.org
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KartikPrabhu [jeremycherfas]: do you use it one your site?
# TheGillies I'm killing servers left and right today
# [jeremycherfas] @KartikPrabhu Yes I do, at jeremycherfas.net, but that is not at all #indieweb. The site on which I have been exploring indieweb uses #known
# KartikPrabhu [jeremycherfas]: well you do use it, so you should coument your use of Grav in the wikik
# [jeremycherfas] @KartikPrabhu: I don't know what you mean. I have nothing to say about Grav as it relates to indieweb. Because as far as I know, it does not relate to indieweb. And #iamnotadeveloper so I am out of my depth trying to make Grav more indieweb. I'd be happy to test things for people.
# KartikPrabhu [jeremycherfas]: If you are using it on your own site it is indieweb. At the least you could add your self as a user
# KartikPrabhu what is Grav?
# Loqi Grav is a flat-file CMS built on PHP, with Twig templating, and YAML + Markdown for storing articles (YAML for metadata, Markdown for the content) https://indieweb.org/grav
# [jeremycherfas] @kartikprabhu [This](https://getgrav.org/forum#!/?indieweb) is the only thing in the Grav forums that relates to Indieweb. It seems there may now be a webmention plugin, as of 9 weeks ago. I'll see what else comes up.
# KartikPrabhu [jeremycherfas]: indieweb does not imply all the "new feature stuff". If you are using Grav on your own site it definitely counts as indieweb
# [jeremycherfas] @kartikPrabhu Cool. I have to run now, but I've made a note to come back to this later today.
# KartikPrabhu also, documenting experiences with various CMS-stuff is valuable prior-art for things
# KartikPrabhu [jeremycherfas]: awesome , cheers!
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# KartikPrabhu [jeremycherfas]: also I am not a developer either, so we can all talk about this stuff here
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# TheGillies !tell aaronpk What's missing from http://tyler.cat/post/Super-helpful-Thanks-for-the-writeup/ ? I had that link that was a good example for a h-card but I misplaced it heh
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petermolnar re grav: I started writing a few plugins for grav, but that system wasn't able to handle my site (an update caused minutes of loadings and timeouts) so never finished them, only the syndication list: https://github.com/petermolnar/grav-plugin-syndicationlist
# Loqi Grav is a flat-file CMS built on PHP, with Twig templating, and YAML + Markdown for storing articles (YAML for metadata, Markdown for the content) https://indieweb.org/grav
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# TheGillies lol the worst micropub endpoint ever
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# [jeremycherfas] Why -- or rather how -- is almost everyone in here a bot rather than a person? If you're all doing it, there must be benefits. Where can I go to read about them?
# TheGillies I thought loqi was the only bot
# TheGillies Loqi: bot or people
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[sebsel] Everyone on IRC is a bot in Slack. See https://indieweb.org/IRC :)
# [jeremycherfas] @petermolnar I've no idea why Grav was difficult for your site, I find it very quick, updating locally and pushing to github.
# TheGillies what is grav
# Loqi Grav is a flat-file CMS built on PHP, with Twig templating, and YAML + Markdown for storing articles (YAML for metadata, Markdown for the content) https://indieweb.org/grav
# TheGillies ah
# TheGillies nice. my site is using hugo http://tyler.cat/post/im-really-liking-my-new-site-setup/
# TheGillies I need to edit the text loqi displays heh
# [jeremycherfas] Ah. So you're listening and replying in IRC rather than directly. Thanks sebsel
# petermolnar [jeremycherfas] mostly due to images
# TheGillies is using riot.im so i'm not on irc or slack
# petermolnar the way grav is dealing with them - both the dynamic size support and that it's GD based instead of imagick - is a no-go for me: when it invalidates the cache, it invalidates the images as well
# petermolnar TheGillies matrix is still a cloud of mystery for me... https://matrix.org/docs/guides/ - how do I install my own instance?
# [jeremycherfas] @theGillies: To the point, even if I barely understand it. Here's my version of the same sort of post https://www.jeremycherfas.net/blog/giving-up-on-web-design
# petermolnar [jeremycherfas] my other reason not to go with grav is that it's not giving me enough over wordpress. I'll either go truly static and start pushing my stuff to ipfs as well, or stay on wp.
# [jeremycherfas] @petermolnar I don't have a lot of images on my site, so I'm not that bothered. I found the way different themes used images much more perplexing.
# petermolnar I have a vast amount of large photos on my site, so that is indeed a cornerstone for me
# [jeremycherfas] @Petermolnar I moved from WP to Octopress first, but that has suffered a bit of neglect lately, which was why I switched to Grav.
# petermolnar I'd also prefer to use pandoc to convert from markdown, get exif/iptc/xml from photos to content, and adding all those to grav is nearly as complicated to write my own
# [jeremycherfas] @petermolnar Right. What's your site? I'd like to take a look.
# petermolnar who is petermolnar?
# petermolnar the indieweb page is a little outdated
# [jeremycherfas] Thanks
# TheGillies "I'm forever telling other people that content is much more important than presentation. Time to take my own advice." Nice
# petermolnar by the way, before going static I'd want to figure out a print-friendly css, but it's a pain in the * to debug that, and is harder that I thought it will be
# TheGillies what is print-friendly css?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "print-friendly css" yet. Would you like to create it?
# petermolnar TheGillies no page breaks in photos, printer urls, print-friendly colours, etc.
# petermolnar this may be interesting in the grav/octopress topic btw: http://indieweb.org/2016/Brighton/goingstatic
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# [sebsel] There is https://indieweb.org/printing
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# [jeremycherfas] Great photos @petermolnar
# petermolnar thank you
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# petermolnar webrings, lol
# petermolnar I could show all the webmentions received by my site, that could count as my guestbook ;) #reboottheinternetweb1.0
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# [jeremycherfas] @perlkonig I've been poking around your site, after trying to get my head around webmentions for Grav. We share an interest in baking and podcasts, but when I looked at your review, I got this error: Table Importer: Could not resolve file name 'bp-2016.csv'.
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# petermolnar that was a useful session
# petermolnar it's far from over, and I have a feeling, we'll have on next year as well
# ben_thatmustbeme updates socialstreams app to better convert MF2 to AS2
# ben_thatmustbeme hopefully people will get some interesting uses out of it
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snarfed ben_thatmustbeme: i'm guessing that's not https://wordpress.org/plugins/social-streams/ ?
# snarfed didn't realize you had mf2 => as2! i'd love to compare it to https://granary-demo.appspot.com/?input=html
# snarfed ben_thatmustbeme: feel free to borrow test cases if you want: https://github.com/snarfed/granary/tree/master/granary/test/testdata
# ben_thatmustbeme cool thanks
# ben_thatmustbeme i have pretty much just been using my site as a test case for it all
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# ben_thatmustbeme snarfed: how is yours doing at the as2.rocks validator?
# ben_thatmustbeme also, they would appreciate an implementation report i'm sure
# ben_thatmustbeme !tell snarfed how is granary doing at the as2.rocks validator? i'm sure they would appreciate an implementation report. also putting in a page generated from socialstreams doesn't seem to parse in granary, giving it http://stream.thatmustbe.us/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fben.thatmustbe.me%2Fnote%2F2016%2F11%2F17%2F1%2F&op=mf2-as2
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jonnybarnes just pushed a mnuch simpler site design live
# jonnybarnes my homepage now shotes notes as well as a short bio
# jonnybarnes also dropped typekit fonts for now
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# Loqi snarfed: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 1 hour, 4 minutes ago: how is granary doing at the as2.rocks validator? i'm sure they would appreciate an implementation report. also putting in a page generated from socialstreams doesn't seem to parse in granary, giving it http://stream.thatmustbe.us/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fben.thatmustbe.me%2Fnote%2F2016%2F11%2F17%2F1%2F&op=mf2-as2
# snarfed rands extols the virtues of blog comments: http://randsinrepose.com/archives/the-likeability-feedback-loop/
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# snarfed also bridgy developer docs are up! https://bridgy.readthedocs.io/
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@kevinmarks @anildash you know that this all still works, and http://indieweb.org has Homebrew Website Club and indiewebcamps to support you? (twitter.com/_/status/801142209642778624)
# @kevinmarks @anildash if you start with this you can have your own website up in minutes, and edit it in the browser. https://github.com/indieweb/blank-gh-site (twitter.com/_/status/801143476909813761)
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tantek Interesting thread about Mastodon(.social), GNU social, OStatus, privacy, and ActivityPub! https://twitter.com/mistydemeo/status/801099652816744448
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@mistydemeo Sincere question: does mastodon solve a problem previous GNU social instances haven’t? Seems like previous attempts didn’t succeed. (twitter.com/_/status/801099652816744448)
# Loqi aaronpk: TheGillies left you a message 11 hours, 21 minutes ago: What's missing from http://tyler.cat/post/Super-helpful-Thanks-for-the-writeup/ ? I had that link that was a good example for a h-card but I misplaced it heh
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@oshepherd @steveklabnik @mistydemeo I dunno, I feel a protocol with no support for privacy whatsoever without complete redesign is bad (twitter.com/_/status/801103829827665920)
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@queersorceress @mistydemeo I am super super hesitant to do anything with it because I don't trust GNU and long term maintainable projects :( (twitter.com/_/status/801100023245271040)
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KevinMarks_ !tell thegillies I made an indieweb friendly Hugo template for lifewithalacrity.com - have you done something similar?
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benwerd_ This is really interesting, from Telegram: http://telegra.ph/ It's a very tiny editor. I wonder if this would be an interesting route for tools like Quill.
# Loqi benwerd_: tantek left you a message 3 days, 5 hours ago: are you available to participate or better yet help co-organize an IndieWebCamp SF Dec 17-18? https://indieweb.org/Planning#Planning and can you suggest others that would like to help out too!
# Loqi Telegraph is an open source API and service for sending webmentions, part of the p3k suite https://indieweb.org/Telegraph
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aaronpk it looks a lot like https://quill.p3k.io/editor :)
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@jkphl Very much looking forward to tomorrow's Homebrew Website Club http://indieweb.org/events/2016-11-23-homebrew-website-club w/ special guest @martijnvdven — safe travels! :) (twitter.com/_/status/801176366007758848)
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# KevinMarks_ Now I'm trying to remember the name of the tool that was like that - write first
# KevinMarks_ What is write.as?
# Loqi write.as is a minimal UI blogging tool meant for quick posting with good pseudonymity https://indieweb.org/write.as
# KevinMarks_ though write.as has more indieweb support
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# jonnybarnes would this be an acceptable way to tag people and allow bridgy to POSSE said tag? https://gist.github.com/jonnybarnes/db001be05fc66ddc6e8bcc6eedd8f6fc
# KartikPrabhu what is person-tag?
# Loqi A person tag (AKA people tag) is a person mention that is also a tag on a post that refers to a specific person by URL rather than just a word or phrase, and is done as an explicit tag by the user, beyond just mentioning a person via hyperlink / h-card / or @-name https://indieweb.org/person-tag
# KartikPrabhu jonnybarnes: see the markup there ^
# KartikPrabhu I think your "h-card" and "u-category" are backwards
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# KartikPrabhu It does not say how to do multiple URLs for same person though
# jonnybarnes theres something here https://indieweb.org/person-tag#With_other_profiles
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# KartikPrabhu jonnybarnes: yeah missed that part.
# jonnybarnes I think its right now: https://gist.github.com/jonnybarnes/db001be05fc66ddc6e8bcc6eedd8f6fc
# jonnybarnes oooh, no it isn’t
# jonnybarnes the url to the photo gets made part of the name
# KartikPrabhu yeah I was going to say that
# jonnybarnes i.e. parsing that into pin13 gives a name of "https:\/\/joebloggs.com\/profile.png\r\n Joe Bloggs"
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gRegorLove There's a bug filed to fix that, if there's an explicit alt="" it shouldn't fall back to the href (I think; that's off the top of my head)
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# gRegorLove Ah, the fix is merged but not in an official php-mf2 release yet: https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/issues/89
# gRegorLove Anybody comfortable with PHP / mf2 parsing, would appreciate review of the open pull requests so we can get those merged: https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/pulls
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# snarfed btw jonnybarnes bridgy has docs for person tag publish: https://brid.gy/about#person-tag
# jonnybarnes snarfed: it doesn’t say how to multiple profiles though
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