#LoqiTheGillies: KevinMarks_ left you a message 7 hours, 51 minutes ago: I made an indieweb friendly Hugo template for lifewithalacrity.com - have you done something similar?
#LoqiOk so I’m making this post to advocate what I’m calling The League of Extraordinary Websites. Essentially what this is, is a pact, where each member of the league tries to be interoperable with every other website in the league. We then post our ...
#TheGillies!tell kevinmarks I hacked one I got off the internet to talk to webmention.io
#Loqi[Jeremy Cherfas] I'm still not sure I understand the full extent of interoperability in this context. And I do not have full access to all the bells and whistles that make this site work, or the knowledge to use them if I did have. But the idea sounds like a good one...
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#Zegnat[jeremycherfas]: you should put an exclamation mark before tell: !tell
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#ZegnatAlright. Productive day. I can now edit posts on my site
#miklbthat's what trackbacks/pingbacks were all about then
#ZegnatI am not even sure if any of them actually ran trackbacks/pingbacks on their sites. I just randomly bumped into this and thought (with its @-marker) it was extremely close to what we are doing.
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#miklbwell, yeah, but blogging "back then" was often in response to other blog posts and cross linking
#julianfJust tried 'julianf' and 'julianfoad' and 'Julian.foad.me.uk' but the preview doesn't indicate they work... or doesn't the preview expand template references?
#ZegnatThey aren’t generated on the fly, we have all created our own wiki templates
#sknebelhaven't tried it yet, it's on the long list of things to do ;)
#sknebelI think there is a public freenode bridge, so it should be compatible with this channel from the get-go
#julianfI recently started trying out UBOS (formerly IndieBox). UBOS website has no integration between IRC mailinglists and archiving of content (no IRC logs) and I suggested using something like Mattermost or Matrix for their own site.
#julianfI'm wondering the same about indieweb.org.
#julianfIs the desire to run one's own combination of tools stronger than the drive to use something like Matrix and perhaps encxourage other IW-like projects to use it too and work together to improve its interoperability?
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#julianf(Possible other projects that might be friendly to cooperate: UBOS; Matrix itself and some of its client & server projects; some things at Mozilla; Dowse.eu; for a start.)
#julianfI'm feeling like it might be possible to get a bigger "push" behind such a system, if it truly seems to be going in the right direction, by sharing some of the effort of setting up a few instances.
#julianfI'm feeling like it might be possible to get a bigger "push" behind such a system, if it truly seems to be going in the right direction, by sharing some of the effort of setting up a few instances.
#julianfLike... I'd like to set up my own instance, but haven't much time to dedicate to doing it myself with all the trial-and-error that I know it would require.
#ZegnatHow much of Matrix is just communication, versus actual websites though?
#sknebelif I understand it, closest to Matrix is XMPP/Jabber
#sknebelin that there is a federation of servers that users register at and connect to using local clients
#julianfBut if someone -- whether individuals or iw.org as a group -- would be setting it up at the same time, and maybe one or two or three or more of us individuals too -- then perhaps that "League of Extraordinary Websites" could be partly kick-started this way.
#ZegnatI wonder if IW is the place to push those protocols, versus HTTP protocols.
#ZegnatBut that was a discussion had at IWC Berlin too, IIRC
#ZegnatWouldn’t the league be there in a “more IW” way if we get more people to start on Known instead of WordPress?
#julianfMatrix, as I understand it, has the comms plus a strong notion of permanent content (chat threads) which can be distributed.
#tantekjulianf - I don't understand your question about Matrix and indieweb. What about Matrix is "web"?
#julianfWhat I'm observing is that while there are many silo-like open-source chat/communication systems (Mattermost, GNU-social, ...) only a very few seem to take the approach of designing a federation model and APIs. Tent was one, but seems to be falling behind, last time I looked.
#julianftantek: Do you mean how is it "web" as in web-of-hyperlinks?
#LoqiThe IndieWeb is about owning your domain and using it as your primary identity, to publish on your own site (optionally syndicate elsewhere), and ownyourdata https://indieweb.org/IndieWeb
#julianfOn my personal web site I want to be able to set up, easily, things like: an IRC-like system, especially one for private use by friends and family, privately archived and not publically accessible. Similarly for other styles of communication. Yet able to join in with public comms when wanted.
#sknebel_matrix_tjulianf: I'm not sure you need a large push to get started on Matrix -> at least initially you can use "public" servers and interfaces like I'm doing right now -> no need to set anything up
#aaronpkTheres certainly overlap in the concepts of self hosting tools, but Matrix isn't really "webby" so it's kind of a separate thing than IndieWeb. Certainly there's a lot of good things about Matrix especially compared to other chat systems. But I'm not aware of anyone using Matrix to host their website for example
#Zegnataaronpk putting my thoughts down in words better than I was doing
#julianfsknebel_matrix_t: By "push" I mean, if you agree it's doing good work in making a truly decentralized "host-your-own-part-if-you-wish" work, then let's use it here (and yes then I'll try to do my part and use it personally) and help others to use it, and then we'll be able to help get relevant IW standards integrated in it where appropriate etc.
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#julianfI totally don't think it's aimed at hosting a "web site", only at hosting the chatty parts of one's own web presence (~"site").
#aaronpkjulianf: this chat room is available via a web interface on indieweb.org, IRC on Freenode, and Slack. It's also possible to join via Matrix as sknebel_matrix_t demonstrated, so I think that's about all one can hope for in that regard!
#tantekchat is ephemeral, the web persists because things (statements, posts, etc.) have HTTP URLs that people can share to refer to them
#tantekwhereas chat systems in general do not care about such (persistent) references
#tantekironically, I feel like we have had this discussion a few times, but have no idea where it was (is?) captured
#Zegnatsnarfed, if you are reading, someone here wonders how long it will take for the first flickr like to get through
#tantekthough the last time I remember an indepth discussion of this was arguing with the XMPP advocates (and projects that use it) that XMPP was a non-starter in terms of a federated social *web* (2010 FSWS discussions)
#bjoerntantek: 100% for my own posts and replies. For likes/retweets i use the native twitter functions.
#tantekbjoern - that's ok to distinguish like that - see my entry for example
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#tantekI started with notes, then replies a few years later, then favorites a few years after that
#jkphltantek: i'm afraid i've still got a looooong way to go until i'm really ready for posting status messages to my own site. but i'll do my best to start sometime during 2017!
#tantek2017-01-01-commitments are implementation and launch commitments publicly made by the IndieWeb community to ship on their personal sites by 2017-01-01 00:00 local time
#[sebsel]Especially the second point, re-importing my tweets with ‘u-syndication’-links on them, and the 2016-tweets for the first time… that one I keep postponing. But not this year!
#Zegnatsknebel, could you see if inoreader still understands https://licit.li ? I took out u-url and added a static u-uid. But I am guessing that is a no-go.
#sknebellet me see if I can convince it to refetch
#Loqi[Tantek Çelik] h-entry is a simple, open format for episodic or datestamped content on the web. h-entry is often used with content intended to be syndicated, e.g. blog posts. h-entry is one of several open microformat standards suitable for embedding data in HTML/H...
#tanteksebsel, you could post about it as an anniversary if you know the exact date. e.g. (2 years since I left FB)
#[sebsel]Yeah, I just found the mail they send you after you deactivate. It was 09-09. A good day to do something like that. But then I missed it for this year!
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#masoudHi there. First time joining here. https://masoud.abkenar.net/ I just put rel=me links in my website. Do you think this is a proper patch to indiwebify this Pelican theme?
#addalI'm not sure why you hid them, the idea is the embed microformats in content that is already on the page
#addalIt looks like the theme has icons for social media, those can be rel=me links :)
#masoud@KartikPrabhu Oh I see! I will fix that. Thank you!
#KartikPrabhumasoud: also Addal is right, if there are already "social media" links in the actual content, you could add rel-me to them directly instead of duplicating it in the head
#masoud@addal I have removed the social media links from my own page. That's why.
#masoudAnd I have blogs in subfolders on which I'd like to use webmentions and stuff.
#masoudwhich brings me to another question: is it enough to have rel=me links on the home page, and have blogs in subfolders without rel=me links? In this case, https://masoud.abkenar.net/blog/fa/
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#gRegorLoveHi masoud. rel-me links on the homepage only should be fine. You can try signing in to the wiki using your domain now, if you haven't already