#indieweb 2016-11-29

2016-11-29 UTC
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miklb ditto
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@iNavegar Neat! https://mailinabox.email/ #indieweb http://werd.io/2016/neat-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/803402392591101953)
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KevinMarks woodwind came back up and I just read 4 days of feed in one go
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Loqi KevinMarks: Zegnat left you a message 12 hours, 11 minutes ago: did your HTTPS certificate lapse on your Known site? Are you aware of any issues?
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KevinMarks !tell zegnat I don't have https on any of my own domains
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek I found another form of tweetstorm, where the number / continuation is at the *end* of each tweet: https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/803272177055309824
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@paulkrugman I have to say that media denial that it did anything wrong in this election is pretty amazing. Just to be clear: it wasn't just 1/ (twitter.com/_/status/803272177055309824)
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KartikPrabhu tantek: I have seen end of tweet more often than beginning
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tantek vice versa for me. still, interesting
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KevinMarks Love the share options text here http://leftoversalad.com/c/015_programmingpeople/
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KevinMarks (the caricatures are funny too)
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@kevinmarks “In general the WWW, outside of Facebook, is an environment open for interpretation.” http://contemporary-home-computing.org/turing-complete-user/ #Indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/803458400117878784)
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Loqi [indieweb] "“In general the WWW, outside of Facebook, is an environment open for interpretation.” http://contemporary-home-computing.org/turing-complete-user/ #Indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2016-11-29 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/in-general-the-www-outside-of-facebook-is-an-environment
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strugee hey all
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strugee just suggested the IndieWeb as a potential topic for The Changelog podcast (along with the SocialWG/pump.io)
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strugee https://github.com/thechangelog/ping/issues/610
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strugee thought people'd be interested :)
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julianf strugee: I just noticed the pump.io homepage seems to lack any mention of being a system based on protocols, APIs, diversity of implementations, etc. Then I noticed the github page is similar but adds a link to the wiki, and there some of that good stuff can be found.
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strugee julianf: yeah, the whole homepage should probably be redone
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julianf strugee: Might want to mention and link to that stuff more prominently on the homepage. Don't want it to sound like it's "just an app" :-)
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strugee it was originally a GitHub Pages autobuild so the homepage is basically a sort-of-outdated version of the README :P
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julianf Ack. Just wanted to mention it, because I think getting that overview focused on the architecture is key, even for a reader like me who knows about it and is actively looking for the details. (A diagram would be awesome!) Thanks!
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julianf s/looking for the details/looking for a clear overview of the system's potential and limitations/.
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strugee julianf: yeah, thank you
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julianf You're welcome.
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strugee it _really_ should be redone :)
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strugee I'm currently in the process of adding a blog to it (which will be marked up with mf2!) but may redo the homepage if I find some time
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strugee though I probably won't
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strugee since I want to devote most of my time to implementing ActivityPub
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strugee plus college applications :/
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[jeremycherfas] !tell chrisaldrich I might be interested in a google hangout as there doesn’t seem to be anything anywhere near me.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@brennannovak @thorgnyr oh that's awesome. I didn't know you were an #IndieWeb fan :) (twitter.com/_/status/803570310373064705)
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j4y_funabashi hello
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@derPepo @dictvm https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/803584216411803650)
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Zegnat Hello IndieWeb
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Loqi Zegnat: KevinMarks left you a message 11 hours, 20 minutes ago: I don't have https on any of my own domains
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Zegnat Hmm, odd, something must have linked me to it with HTTPS.
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@jgmac1106 Going to use the SemPress theme so the unofficial paper database I build for #lra16 so it is #indieweb compatible (twitter.com/_/status/803610146660290560)
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j4y_funabashi .
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terminalpixel I've been a bit remiss in keeping up with the indieweb news in the last few months, what's the best way to catch up?
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terminalpixel https://news.indieweb.org/en ?
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Zegnat I am not sure everyone always remembers to ping the news hub.
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cweiske you also have to add a syndication link
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Zegnat terminalpixel, there is the newsletter: http://indieweb.org/this-week-in-the-indieweb
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Zegnat with an archive: https://indieweb.org/this-week/
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terminalpixel Aha perfect! Didn't know about that
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tantek interesting way that FB seems to limit reposts: "Who can see this? / When someone shares something you posted, who can see your post doesn't change. Your post can only be seen by the people you originally shared it with. Learn more."
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petermolnar if that applies to shared, publicly available things, that is really bad
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petermolnar where did you see that tantek,
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petermolnar ?
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tantek on one of my Twitter->FB cross-posts which I default to "friends only"
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tantek why is it bad if it applies to shared, publicly available things?
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petermolnar I understand why this happens to self-made material; but if it's a publicly available something you share and others are trying to re-share it in order to make it reach more people, this will suppress those efforts
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aaronpk if it's public then the audience is not limited and sharing it won't be limited
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petermolnar no, you misunderstand
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tantek it's an interesting challenge, but I think it makes sense that the original publisher sets the ACL for any reposts
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tantek aaronpk - if the item linked to is public
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tantek not the item itself
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petermolnar I share URL X, from the net, as friends-only; when people re-share that post, it will be limited
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aaronpk yeah
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aaronpk that makes sense
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tantek that's fine, it motivates people who want to make it more public to just post themselves :P
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petermolnar I've only recently heard the term "shadow-banning", but this kinda sounds like one...
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petermolnar tantek they won't know
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tantek it's not, it's just respecting the original post's ACL
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tantek I'm not sure how else I'd design reposting of a limited ACL post
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aaronpk i think that's actually a really great way of respecting the original ACL and also allowing reposting
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petermolnar the reponsting probably should indicate that this will not reach your followers
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tantek who knows, it might
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tantek in this example I was/am the original poster, so I have no idea what the repost UI looked like
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tantek Obviously, quoting and/or screenshotting and posting can "fake" a repost to a wider audience
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tantek nothing much you can do to stop that
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tantek but perhaps if we figure out the indieweb equivalent to a limited ACL repost, we can make the webmention interpretation of that stick with requiring maintaining of the original ACL (somehow)
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@ChrisAldrich Sad realization: My browser has 50 tabs open, 38 of them were for #IndieWeb "itches" I want to work on... (twitter.com/_/status/803658796665020416)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Sad realization: My browser has 50 tabs open, 38 of them were for #IndieWeb "itches" I want to work on..." by Chris Aldrich on 2016-11-29 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/sad-realization-my-browser-has-50-tabs-open-38-of
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tantek chrisaldrich - capture them on your user page in your Itches section!
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sl007 aaronpk: Did not thought it is so much work to do everything right in indieauth-node, however: it comes to caching - what it does is putting a session id in a secure cookie and storing the verify results in the serversession [and anybody using it can simply plug in REDIS or any of https://github.com/expressjs/session#compatible-session-stores] - QUESTION : shouldn't we cache only successful providers? If either a provider is unreach
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aaronpk yes i only cache the verified providers
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aaronpk which is why when you come back, you see a shorter list than when you click "scan"
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sl007 Ah, cool - so I am on the right path with the code …
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Loqi [indieweb] "“Ignorance is always correctable. But what shall we do if we take ignorance to be knowledge?” https://www.technologyreview.com/s/602981/social-media-is-killing-discourse-because-its-too-much-like-tv/ @h0d3r quoting Postman #Indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2016-11-29 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/ignorance-is-always-correctable-but-what-shall-we-do-if
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KevinMarks I need a tweet length counter in inkstone. Known truncated tweets don't look right
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Just installed my own copy of https://silo.pub and launched at https://silopub.p3k.io! Thought I'd share a screencast of how I configure my syndication endpoints in p3k." https://aaronparecki.com/2016/11/29/7/syndication
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Self-Hosting kylewm's Woodwind Indie Reader" https://martymcgui.re/2016/11/28/124055/
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KevinMarks1 I love how kyle's site falling over is encouraging parallel instances
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@kevinmarks useful example webpush https://paul.kinlan.me/designing-a-webpush-service/ for #indieweb implementations (twitter.com/_/status/803686752648982528)
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Loqi [indieweb] "useful example webpush https://paul.kinlan.me/designing-a-webpush-service/ for #indieweb implementations" by Kevin Marks on 2016-11-29 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/useful-example-webpush-designing-a-webpush-service-for-indieweb-implementations
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@daiyitastic @vboykis YES. THIS. and relevant: https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/803694819705057280)
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gRegorLove reading http://blog.vickiboykis.com/2016/11/20/fix-the-internet/
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gRegorLove "that should be its own blog post, because Twitter’s horrendous chronological formatting design is meant to maul and strangle content to the point that it’s unrecognizable."
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@kongaloosh Finally got around to adding geocoding to all my #indieweb posts. (https://t.co/NmZ5xdt3E4) (twitter.com/_/status/803717498872991744)
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@strugee2 @derPepo @dictvm an Evernote replacement is kind of out of the IndieWeb's scope, but @SandstormIO... (twitter.com/_/status/803735693105057793)
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tantek interesting abuse of event posts I'm seeing on FB, a public event which isn't actual physical event, but rather a start date / end date of when tickets are on sale for an actual event
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tantek e.g. https://www.facebook.com/events/1871204013113861/
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tantek mechanically it's an event, it has a subject, a start and end time
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tantek but there's no there there
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tantek so I'm having trouble distinguishing precisely why this isn't an event
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tantek or even more challenging, how it isn't even a virtual event
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tantek like the IWC online was a couple of years ago
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bignose “It's a soft open.”
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tantek there's nothing open about it - there's no *place* that is "open"
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tantek I'm leaning towards classifying this as spam, that is, merely unsolicited advertisement to buy something that is deceptively presented (since it's not actually an event you can attend and participate in)
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tantek by providing a broad date range, e.g. November 28 – December 5, once someone has invited you to it, it causes the "event" to stay at the top of your "upcoming events" on your fb.com/events page for many days in a row
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bignose I guess it's literally an “event”. maybe the troubling part is calling it a “public” event?
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tantek it's syntactically an "event", but not an event in the, I want to put this on my calendar so that when the date comes I go to it event
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bignose but yeah, the thing is completely pointless without the actual event for which the tickets are sold, so I think that's closer to the problem.
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tantek I'm sure someone somewhere thought it was a clever marketing technique they came up with. As did the people innovating with unsolicited email to sell stuff.
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bignose charitably: it shows a flaw in the feature. where one can't specify related date ranges (e.g. when do ticket sales open/close) for an actual event.
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tantek ah, that's a good point. if you could, or could make a sub-event, you could have advance ticket sales as a sub-event of sorts
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bignose so, while I agree there's a good chance the post is motivated by the marketing (get it in front of more people more often), it's also the case that *even if* someone isn't motivated by that, there appears to be no good way to encode that information in the event feature.
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tantek and for some events, e.g. concerts which sell out, people do very much put on their calendar when the tickets go on sale so they can be ready by their computers to *participate* in real time in the ticket purchasing event