#indieweb 2016-12-01

2016-12-01 UTC
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[schmarty] okay! Baltimore HWC broadcast.
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[schmarty] i just went. been working on displaying reply contexts and manually POSSE-ing, sending WM.
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[schmarty] want to work on my 2017 commitment - improve how i am handling images so posting to my site doesn't take forever and each page load doesn't include huge full sizes image by default
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tantek awesome!
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[schmarty] brianey.com up next. captured a ton of ideas for what to do next. started with IndieWeb Wordpress plugin and getting the feel for it
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[schmarty] that url is a test site for playing with indieweb features
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[schmarty] also started a new site imnotwrong.com, a humor site featuring a bad/fake/satirical advice column
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[schmarty] also has POSSE working on uncannycreativity.com to tumblr and medium
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[schmarty] jonathanprozzi.net up next. finished setting up site on digitalocean powered by hugo. has front page h-card working. added a commitments post tonight. http://jonathanprozzi.net/post/commitments2017/
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[schmarty] jonathanprozzi don't forget to add it to the wiki! https://indieweb.org/2017-01-01-commitments
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[jonathanprozzi] thanks schmarty!
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[schmarty] adam bouhmad (bouhmad.com) up next
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[schmarty] started working on a site for collecting malware samples and other interesting code specimens for security research
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@_benng @daiyitastic woah, I like your new site and the IndieWeb idea. Reminds me of the early-ish Internet days when we weren’t all silo’ed. (twitter.com/_/status/804125333251309570)
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[schmarty] derek up next. teaching front-end web development to folks recently released from prison. is pretty new to web development himself, so picking up new skills to stay ahead. been working on converting a video tutorial about HTML+CSS menu bars into a workshop for students.
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[schmarty] digging into gridview for next time
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GWG Did someone say WordPress?
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gRegorLove Eek. Re: /AMP https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2016/11/removing-your-site-from-amp/
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Loqi gRegorLove: snarfed left you a message 2 hours, 14 minutes ago: official mozilla patch for firefox vuln mentioned earlier: https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2016/11/30/fixing-an-svg-animation-vulnerability/
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Loqi Google's AMP is a gilded cage
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[schmarty] GWG: we were talking about it at HWC Baltimore. One of our members here is playing with the IndieWeb plugin (and related plugins). Has syndication working!
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GWG [schmarty]: If there is anything I can do...always looking for ways to improve.
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[schmarty] thanks, GWG! i'll let him know to ask if he runs into any issues.
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GWG Or ideas for improvement
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KevinMarks uh svg stuff to look at
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tantek hey Twitter launched a new mobile.twitter.com and it's js;dr!
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[html5cat] Hello from SF Indie Web :cat2:
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KevinMarks we have a cat here?
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[html5cat] https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth.com/issues/135
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[html5cat] yes, I’m a cat
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aaronpk good catch
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[html5cat] :mouse2:
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: welcome to Homebrew Website Club SF - we meet here fortnightly - in 2 weeks I can't host so we need a venue for the 14th (twitter.com/_/status/804153707273351168)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: today we've already had homebrew website clubs today in Brighton, Amsterdam, Göteborg and Baltimore (twitter.com/_/status/804154146345644032)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: some of us are posting our January 1st commitments on https://indieweb.org/2017-01-01-commitments (twitter.com/_/status/804154375203602433)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I'm going to host all my RSVPs to public events on my site - brid.gy will do it for Facebook; lanyrd and eventbrite by hand (twitter.com/_/status/804154837424279552)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: Bear wants to read his twitter feed on his own site, and reply to posse to twitter (twitter.com/_/status/804154995260227584)
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bear welp, I better get coding ;)
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tantek what is Purple?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Purple" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is Quartz?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Quartz" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek benwerd ^^^
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @benwerd: I want a bot to talk to about posts on my site, like the Quartz one (twitter.com/_/status/804155631485812736)
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[nate] :wave:
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: blog something about what you want to get working on your site by the end of the year, and add it to https://indieweb.org/2017-01-01-commitments (twitter.com/_/status/804156507990409217)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @html5cat: can I demo questions that I have? (twitter.com/_/status/804156591876567040)
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benwerd what is quartz
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/Quartz
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[schmarty] hi nate !
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[schmarty] did you make it to HWC SF??
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[nate] hi schmarty! I'm here now!
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[nate] nice pic of your event!
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[schmarty] hooray! thanks!
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tantek Kevinmarks - @Aza
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aza: we are working on "the chatternet" - the internet of conversation (twitter.com/_/status/804158186626437120)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aza: we all hate social networks- there is a problem with a norming effect in large systems where people converge (twitter.com/_/status/804158314267443200)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aza: so if you post something and others don't like it, you stop posting. so how do we make this global namespace into local ones (twitter.com/_/status/804158460011151365)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aza: we want an open source, end to end encrypted javascript chat (twitter.com/_/status/804158589661302784)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aza: when you start you type in your name and get a channel - everything is a channel (twitter.com/_/status/804158675615150080)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aza: if you want to make a new channel you type in a hashtag and that makes one that you can post to (twitter.com/_/status/804158908558430209)
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bear i'm intensely curious to see what UI and process flow aza comes up with
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aza: but you can make subchannels inside a hashtag with a slash like #homebrewsf/gifs (twitter.com/_/status/804159082848522240)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aza: the URLs don't have a global namespace - they are yours and only show up if you link to them (twitter.com/_/status/804159209357135872)
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[nate] Since I can't edit the wiki yet, I'll post my 2017-01-01-commitments here:
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[nate] 1. Ressurect server behind nateparsons.com (nginx, lets encrypt)
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[nate] 2. Create basic frontpage, enough for indieauth
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bear nate - do you want me to add them for you ?
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aza: so it is easy to set up a channel for a spontaneous event. (twitter.com/_/status/804159583925207040)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aza: we made some structure, but everything is modifiable with javascript (twitter.com/_/status/804159687616856068)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aza: we're just a bunch of white guys in silicon valley and we don't want to force our norms on everyone, so you can change it (twitter.com/_/status/804159873898446848)
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bear @[nate] done
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aza: we have an iOS app that runs javascript, so you can add your own code to it from a gist (twitter.com/_/status/804160180430794752)
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bear and aza just lost me ... javascript :(
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aza: there's a web version as well as the iOS one that has multiple panels instead of columns you flip through (twitter.com/_/status/804160470869544962)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aza: things we're trying to figure out are how to do federation (twitter.com/_/status/804160689107570688)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aza: the web version is at https://other.chat (twitter.com/_/status/804160799866494976)
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[nate] bear thanks!
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bear yvw
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: I blog at http://upon2020.com/ - I started out that url to talk about the future, (twitter.com/_/status/804161592510312448)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: I have been working on UBOS, a linux distribution to make it easy to install things (twitter.com/_/status/804161671996575749)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: what I want to show today is setting up websites as TOR hidden services with a single command (twitter.com/_/status/804161779366588417)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: So I can set up Ben's @withknown app as a TOR hidden service with ubos admin createsite --tor (twitter.com/_/status/804162043985227776)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: then it asks me for user and password and site format, then make a site for me (twitter.com/_/status/804162226546470913)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: then it gives me an onion URL I can put into the TOR browser and see my new Known site (twitter.com/_/status/804162532386676736)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: I figured that this might come in handy. UBOS runs on x86 - there's an image for amazon ec2 and raspberry pi (twitter.com/_/status/804162752956760064)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: you can backup the server as an image, and restore the hidden service to a different backend (twitter.com/_/status/804162939947257856)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: this also means you can self-host in your own home as TOR tunnels through firewalls for you (twitter.com/_/status/804163091504238592)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: adding woodwind as an app for UBOS would be a good project for someone (twitter.com/_/status/804163292461678592)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: Webmention is now a PR at w3c - the last phase before it becomes a standard https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention/ (twitter.com/_/status/804163844578967552)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: if you are a w3c member, you can vote on this today, so please do (twitter.com/_/status/804163933238132737)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: if you search for http://www.w3.org/ members, there is a list there - see if you can vote (twitter.com/_/status/804164387997097984)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: Ask your W3C AC rep to vote for Webmention today ASAP! https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/webmention/ (twitter.com/_/status/804165105491525633)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @html5cat: the project @aza demoed fits in with a lot of the things I have been thinking about (twitter.com/_/status/804165657814323200)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @html5cat: blogging to my blog is a bit hard, it has a cumbersome workflow with markdown and so on, so I need a better tool (twitter.com/_/status/804165815650189312)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @html5cat: Now medium supports custom domains I can use medium as a better tool for posting, but now I'm stuck between 2 worlds (twitter.com/_/status/804165975557947393)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @html5cat: so I have a github-hosted static octopress blog as well as the medium site - chances that the URLs are the same is low (twitter.com/_/status/804166162040913920)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @html5cat: so, my theory of better tools making me post more didn't hold up as I haven't posted much on medium either (twitter.com/_/status/804166328500322308)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @html5cat: my goals for 2017 are to figure out my web identity, at least a URL. I also have https://catscadia.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/804166790981029888)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @html5cat: I am also a photographer but most of my photos are on facebook 'cos of reach and people tagging. I need better workflow (twitter.com/_/status/804167084087398401)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: I updated my site a bit since I was last here - I added a Recent Publications and Things I Made section to it (twitter.com/_/status/804168440634363904)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb The speakeasy: I have a site at http://thespeakeasysf.com/ for my interactive theater club that is another reality (twitter.com/_/status/804168657551163392)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb The speakeasy: what we want is to make website that shows something of the real life experience (twitter.com/_/status/804168824215969792)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb The speakeasy: I think we're looking for design, a ux person and a coder, but I'm a theater person so you know better than me (twitter.com/_/status/804169172158742528)
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@kevinmarks Come chat to me at https://other.chat/kevinmarks/t7v #Indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/804172863204794368)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Come chat to me at https://other.chat/kevinmarks/t7v #Indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2016-12-01 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/come-chat-to-me-at-kevinmarkst7v-indieweb
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[schmarty] wow, i didn't know UBOS had automatic Tor hidden service configuration. i really like that.
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gRegorLove Why the phone number for other.chat?
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@html5cat Hello from Homebrew Website Club SF! #indieweb cc @t @kevinmarks https://twitter.com/html5cat/status/804177690093699072/video/1 (twitter.com/_/status/804177690093699072)
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[html5cat] html5cat uploaded a file: Hello from SF!
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@kevinmarks Notes from tonight's Homebrew Website Club SF http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2016-11-30.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/804180954562473984)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Notes from tonight's Homebrew Website Club SF http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2016-11-30.html #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2016-12-01 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/notes-from-tonights-homebrew-website-club-sf-hwc2016-11-30html-indieweb
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aaronpk Oops that didn't make it through the IRC bridge
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aaronpk https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-F38EYV7KK/img_0224.gif
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aaronpk hm that link requires a login... how do you get public links to slack files again?
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bear there should be a "create external link" item in the "..." menu for the image
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aaronpk Great use for short URLs... speaking URLs over the radio
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bignose gRegorLove: might want to address KevinMarks directly with that question.
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@nxD4n #indieweb https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/804162939947257856 (twitter.com/_/status/804207465059516416)
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[kevinmarks] That was my question too, bignose - aza said they would add other auth methods
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tantek good evening #indieweb!
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@jeena I like the idea of IndieWeb commitments: https://indieweb.org/2017-01-01-commitments Therefor I comm... more at https://jeena.net/notes/789 (twitter.com/_/status/804221172221087744)
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tantek wow that's a good one Jeena !
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tantek Ok I think our HWC SF animated GIF is reasonably on par. Your move Nürnberg :D
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tantek https://indieweb.org/events/2016-11-30-homebrew-website-club#Photos
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Zegnat Actually, we did do an animated shoot. I guess Juli hasn't put it together yet
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Loqi Zegnat: sknebel left you a message 7 hours, 28 minutes ago: I wouldn't call that mess I wrote in Brighton a "micropub server" yet ;) And if I remember right bear open-sourced more of his in the mean-time, so if someone is looking for a starting point in python I'd recommend looking at that
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sknebel morning everybody!
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Zegnat !tell petermolnar "sknebel left you a message 7 hours, 28 minutes ago: I wouldn't call that mess I wrote in Brighton a "micropub server" yet ;) And if I remember right bear open-sourced more of his in the mean-time, so if someone is looking for a starting point in python I'd recommend looking at that"
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel lol
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sknebel apparently I missed context while reading the backlog
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@t 51d. #RESIST darkness by shining even brighter. Build & grow intentionally positive & inclusive communities. #indieweb (ttk.me t4ka5) (twitter.com/_/status/804223293607776256)
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Loqi [indieweb] "51d. #RESIST darkness by shining even brighter. Build & grow intentionally positive & inclusive communities. #indieweb" on 2016-12-01 http://tantek.com/2016/335/t5/resist-darkness-shine-brighter-positive
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tantek where did you get that date Loqi?
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sknebel tantek: that post only has a time in the datetime, loqi probably applied the time to the current date?
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tantek sknebel it has both! using the value class pattern
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sknebel oh, right
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tantek to reduce DRY violations
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sknebel TIL that that is possible ;)
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tantek Zegnat - from last week in Nürnberg? (re: did do an animated shoot)
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tantek hey what happens when Bridgy POSSEs an animated GIF to Twitter, Flickr, FB?
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Zegnat tantek: yes
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Zegnat tantek, found it: https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=https%3A%2F%2Fc2.staticflickr.com%2F6%2F5718%2F31210558265_2f0523d532_o.gif&t=1480577435&sig=duq_PvdiUTPggNRJjhzQbA--~C
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Zegnat source, comment on: https://www.flickr.com/photos/tollwerk/31210558265/
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tantek Zegnat, then yes, we need them posted to the HWC event wiki page by that Friday morning so that they get included in the newsletter!
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Zegnat We did not have the Starbucks barrista take an animated GIF of us yesterday. (Will be uploading photo of Amsterdam soon.)
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tantek lol - should have had them do a selfie with you included!
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sl007 Happy advent, indieweb ?https://24ways.org
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Loqi [Seb Lee-Delisle] Internet of Stranger Things
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sl007 Loqi - cheater - this is an advent calendar!
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j4y_funabashi morning
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petermolnar http://peppercarrot.com/article390/my-fight-against-cdn-libraries - any opinions? Should we also discourage the use of CDNs? ( I personally do, but that because I'm tired of sites loading resources from a gazillion external urls )
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Loqi petermolnar: Zegnat left you a message 5 hours, 26 minutes ago: "sknebel left you a message 7 hours, 28 minutes ago: I wouldn't call that mess I wrote in Brighton a "micropub server" yet ;) And if I remember right bear open-sourced more of his in the mean-time, so if someone is looking for a starting point in python I'd recommend looking at that"
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petermolnar I also started to think about loading avatars for webmentions from remote websites... it sounds like an easy attack vector for the future. ( Eg. browser vulnerability on an image type -> send webmention -> make it display my "avatar" -> profit ! )
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petermolnar if you cache & convert them locally, so you're more or less sure, it's ok, then maybe, but directly loading them sounds like a bad ideas ( and that goes for the wiki as well )
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bignose convert them locally, and serve with Libravatar maybe? <URL: https://www.libravatar.org/>
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bignose Libravatar seems a good piece of IndieWeb. everyone can choose to serve avatars from their own provider, using the same protocol.
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Zegnat bignose, are there any bigger platforms that are actually pulling from libravatar?
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Zegnat You can already parse my hcard to get my profile picture, I would not add a libravatar server unless it is really useful for existing tools
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Zegnat I wonder if a Libravatar-hcard-bridge would be an interesting project
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aaronpk what is this crazy new facebook ui
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "this crazy new facebook ui" yet. Would you like to create it?
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aaronpk my post popped up like a chat window
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aaronpk https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2016-12-01-06-58-00.png
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petermolnar maybe facebook realized they should have just been a frontend for xmpp from the beginning and now transitioning to an everything-is-a-chat approach?
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sknebel petermolnar: since you mentioned caching images from other sites... http://blog.portswigger.net/2016/12/bypassing-csp-using-polyglot-jpegs.html (TL;DR: re-encode images and/or store them on a separate domain with CSP enabled)
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[schmarty] ah, speaking of images: is anyone displaying smaller version of images on their site but somehow marking up where the fullsize image resides?
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petermolnar I use srcsets
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petermolnar sknebel I'm trying to find that website, which is an image, but has HTML in the image, similarly to what you linked, but so far, I'm out of luck
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[schmarty] petermolnar: srcsets seem like a good approach. i've been trying to figure out if any indieweb readers or tools consume the srcset data and haven't figure it out, yet.
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sknebel petermolnar: http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/squirrel/
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sknebel ?
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petermolnar YES
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petermolnar thank you :)
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sknebel [schmarty]: would be interesting to study what tools keep srcset intact while cleaning HTML. I wouldn't be surprised if many sanitizers stripped it out
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[schmarty] i am also not sure if it matters whether my markup includes only a "web-sized" version of my u-photo and u-featured images. resizing images only seems to be discussed on the wiki in terms of thumbnails for reply contexts and (to a lesser extent) reducing page sizes.
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petermolnar unless the thumb is cropped and the referred is the original aspect ratio
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[schmarty] hmm. i'm planning on only resizing rather than cropping, but that is a great point.
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petermolnar sknebel I don't see how the js in that polyglot jpg could be executed if it's within an <img> tag, referred as .jpg
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gRegorLove Good morning, indieweb
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GWG I feel like I have been neglecting my Indieweb projects
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KevinMarks I am looking at svg sanitizer for svgur.com as people keep uploading green triangles with js in
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KevinMarks An img tag doesn't execute js, but if they hotlink it can
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KevinMarks https://twitter.com/eevee/status/804387005706608640
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@eevee @kevinmarks eagerly awaiting utf8_real_no_this_time_for_real_guys_no_really (twitter.com/_/status/804387005706608640)
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KevinMarks https://mastodon.social/users/Gargron/updates/334662
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