#indieweb 2016-12-02

2016-12-02 UTC
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tantek
[nate] are you @thenatealator ?
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tantek
does manual image recognition across various accounts and determines yes
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tantek
hmm http://nateparsons.com/ appears down - do I optimistically link to it? I think so
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mblaney
!tell kevinmarks svgur.com is doing strange things to my images... http://svgur.com/s/LS
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
mblaney: Salt left you a message 1 week, 6 days ago: thanks for the share, dunno if I should fill it out, was hoping to attend and had even submitted an IWC for miniconf, but alas was planning on waiting until next year...
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Loqi
homebrew website club http://svgur.com/i/LS.svg
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mblaney
since it doesn't look right on svgur, here's a homebrew website club logo I've made: https://unicyclic.com/mal/2016-12-02-had_a_go_at_remodelling_the_indiewebcamp_logo_for_
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Loqi
[Malcolm Blaney] had a go at remodelling the indiewebcamp logo for homebrew website club: https://unicyclic.com/images/hwc.svg
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mblaney
again in the spirit of just tweaking shaners awesome logo.
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tantek
could always link to it from /logo
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Loqi
ok, I added "https://unicyclic.com/images/hwc.svg" to the "See Also" section of /logo
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mblaney
tantek how's that?
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tantek
I mean, you could add a section for Homebrew Website Club :)
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tantek
reviews his person-tags before pushing the button
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mblaney
oh ok :-)
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mblaney
the double-angle-bracket-thing is too easy to abuse :-)
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tantek
no no it's not abuse, it's just a nice shortcut to at least get *something* in there quickly, which is fine :)
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@html5cat
1/ Winter is coming – good time to check out https://indieweb.org and start moving in direction of decentralization and control of
(twitter.com/_/status/804497404154101760)
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@html5cat
2/ your content, your identity, and your self. Check out (and join?) some of the commitments for the end of year: https://indieweb.org/2017-01-01-commitments%23Commitments
(twitter.com/_/status/804497678096707584)
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tantek
finds two mistakes in his person-tags, one of which slipped out previously a year ago!
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tantek
alright let's see what happens when I try to POSSE an animated GIF via Bridgy
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Loqi
[indienews] New post: "had a go at remodelling the indiewebcamp logo for homebrew website club:" https://unicyclic.com/mal/2016-12-02-had_a_go_at_remodelling_the_indiewebcamp_logo_for_
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mblaney
haven't pinged the old news feed in a while.
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tantek
serious question - what is the photo equivalent of ellipsing and is it reasonable to ask Bridgy to do it when posting to Twitter (as it ellipses text as needed)
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Loqi
[indieweb] "#Twitter won’t let me POSSE last night’s awesome Homebrew Website Club SF #animated #GIF because: “Image file size must be " on 2016-12-02 http://tantek.com/2016/336/t2/homebrew-website-club-animated-gif
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tantek
hah what
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tantek
I didn't PuSH yet :P
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tantek
or I thought I didn't
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tantek
woot! 100% of person-tags made it from my site to FB, despite me not being FB friends with everyone I tagged in the photo!
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tantek
10 for 10
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Loqi
[Tantek Çelik] a jpg. Too big for Twitter, too short for Instagram. #Twitter won’t let me POSSE last night’s Homebrew Website Club SF #animated #GIF because: “Image file size must be <= 5242880 bytes” (in a JSON error structure, GIF size is ~6MB) and #In... https://scontent-sjc2-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/sh0.08/e35/p750x750/15306540_212642042523013_280824061532045312_n.jpg
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Loqi
Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-12-02.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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sknebel
petermolnar: right, you'd need to get someone on a page with a script include and then could maybe steal a cookie or so. still potentially dangerous, but a lot more complicated attack
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sknebel
maybe large gifs should be automatically converted to videos. 5 MB is quite large
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[kevinmarks]
What did it do wrong?
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Loqi
[kevinmarks]: mblaney left you a message 2 hours, 31 minutes ago: svgur.com is doing strange things to my images... http://svgur.com/s/LS
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[kevinmarks]
I added script tag filtering
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[kevinmarks]
Or is the grey background the issue? I did that by default because of so many white images
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[kevinmarks]
Google's image resizer will resize gif and keep it animating
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[kevinmarks]
Gif is a crappy format
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[kevinmarks]
Is the grey background what you're objecting to, mblaney?
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[kevinmarks]
I also added auto-nipsa of svgs that don't parse or have scripts in
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KevinMarks
Maybe I should just do the non white bag when the source image comes out all white
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tantek
aww no animated GIF in the newsletter!
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tantek
has vague memories now of aaronpk deliberately skipping animated GIFs because they caused some other problem somewhere (like with multiphotos on Twitter perhaps?0
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tantek
doesn't find anything about this limitation on https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to so waits for aaronpk to clarify what's happening
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sknebel
afaik twitter only allows a single gif, not gifs among other photos
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KevinMarks
It rejects gif as photo, you have to upload as a gif explicitly iirc
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tantek
sknebel: yes that sounds vaguely familiar
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tantek
so we only upload an animated gif if it's the only photo
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tantek
something like that
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tantek
sknebel: do you have Twitter docs for that limitation? would be good to add that to /Twitter#Features (e.g. note where I said <5MB or something for photos)
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tantek
and baring that we should add a static photo of HWC SF to the event as well so at least that gets included
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tantek
KevinMarks: did you get a good static photo? I didn't somehow. Everyone else has the good static photos from last night's HWC SF
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tantek
could also check the #indieweb hashtag and see who else tweeted photos and use one of those at worst (but they're lower resolution :( )
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sknebel
tantek: added
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KevinMarks
I didn't hand my phone over - we should ask the others
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tantek
who was talking about RSVPing to events in the past?
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tantek
going vs went
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tantek
tries to search
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tantek
cweiske++ the IRC log search is amazing. found it very quickly.
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Loqi
cweiske has 63 karma in this channel (71 overall)
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tantek
just had a personal use-case. I want to RSVP to an event to have it in my calendar of past events I went to, but it's after the event
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tantek
so the text equivalent "going to" doesn't make sense
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tantek
thus I think I shall implement "went to"
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tantek
sebsel++ for suggesting went at least as RSVP UI
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Loqi
sebsel has 6 karma
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Loqi
[Tantek Çelik] went to the last part of Trails In Motion Film Festival at Sports Basement in the Marina, SF. https://www.facebook.com/events/449445495252394/...
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tantek
what is went
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "went" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek
went is a way to express, in plain text, an [[RSVP]] *yes* value, when posting an RSVP to an event that was attended in the past, that is, posting of the RSVP after the fact. IndieWeb Examples: http://tantek.com/2016/336/t3/went-trails-motion-film-festival
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Loqi
[Tantek Çelik] went to the last part of Trails In Motion Film Festival at Sports Basement in the Marina, SF. https://www.facebook.com/events/449445495252394/...
wolftune, strugee, awolf, wolftuneplease, KevinMarks, KartikPrabhu, cweiske, KevinMarks_, chrisaldrich1, ChrisAldrich, Pierre-O, friedcell, pindonga, nitot, myfreeweb, sl007 and mblaney joined the channel
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mblaney
!tell kevinmarks http://svgur.com/s/LS doesn't show the "C" in "HWC" on firefox!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
homebrew website club http://svgur.com/i/LS.svg
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mblaney
I just tried chromium (on linux) and that's fine... am guessing you saw it fine otherwise you would've said something about that instead.
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Zegnat
Good morning IndieWeb
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Zegnat
Also, quick shout-out to the little things that get fixed at HWC: https://licit.li/584150ec876a8 (cc petermolnar)
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cweiske
I don't understand "My ⇥-using way"
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sknebel
Zegnat: why is the displayed time different from the marked-up time?
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Zegnat
cweiske: I guess I was being a little too fancy there. Just exchange ⇥ for "tab"
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Zegnat
sknebel: I don’t know, I am looking into it, many of the timestamps don’t seem right
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cweiske
looked to me like "go to last page"
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Zegnat
IBM used ↹ on tab keys, Apple ⇥, it’s just a symbol that happens to be used for it (the arrow being move-to and the vertical bar representing the tab stop)
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sknebel
you could mark that up with <kbd> tags and style them like SO does: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/1939/kbd-elements-are-way-intrusive ;)
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cweiske
that would help
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cweiske
OUR PRINCESS IS IN ANOTHER CASTLE!
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Zegnat
It is already marked up with kdb, I just haven’t changed my CSS yet, haha
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Loqi
hehe
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Zegnat
actually, kbd and abbr, so it should get announced as "tab"
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sknebel
wow, it's impressive how like no CSS reference says that the outline attribute does anything to the selection highlighting...
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sl007
!tell aaronpk et. al: Hm, the hardest part in indieauth-node is now horizontally scaling. Well, indieauth-node was planned to keep all the secrets (e.g. OAuth provider creds.) in encrypted signed JWTs which are stored apart from the app. They are usable in any app and the user would start the server with a password from where JWTs can be decrypted and random session secrets can be generated. Problem: if you load balance between two di
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel
sl007: your message got cut off again. whatever you use for IRC apparently doesn't break down long messages properly
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Zegnat
Purple IRC, according to CTCP
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sl007
sknebel: Adium
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Zegnat
You might need to update, if you can, sl007. This sounds like the bug: https://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/4753
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sl007
Zegnat : recent OSX version of Adium - what would you use? ;(
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Zegnat
Looks like Adium is on Pidgin 2.10.12. Pidgin is currently at 2.11.0. And the IRC bug seems to be slated for 2.11.1 or 2.12.0. So I guess updating will not fix anything :(
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Zegnat
I was using Textual as my IRC client on Mac before, sl007
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sknebel
or just remember that you have to keep your messages shorter ;)
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sl007
Zegnat: Will try out. Unforunately "bundled" anything in Adium, not only IRC. So involving a bit of AppleScript might be easier (message split) - At which word was the message truncated? https://trac.adium.im/ticket/11277
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Zegnat
It ended on “Problem: if you load balance between two di”
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Zegnat
Using Granary’s h-feed-to-atom drops a lot of photos from /photo posts :( Good thing I caught that now
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sknebel
Zegnat: ?!
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Zegnat
If you use https://granary-demo.appspot.com to convert from html to atom on https://aaronparecki.com or https://seblog.nl you will not get photographs on photo posts.
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Zegnat
They put the IMG with u-photo outside of the e-content, and only e-content is used for the actual feed entry content.
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Zegnat
I am assuming mf2 specific readers like Woodwind work, or this would have been discussed before.
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Sebsel
yeah, u-photo is content, but not part of e-content. the whole u-photo property is a bit strange too..
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Zegnat
Not sure if I should file this as an issue against granary though.
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Zegnat
I only noticed today because I wanted to subscribe to sebsel’s feed
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Sebsel
Maybe I should put the u-photo inside of the e-content?
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sknebel
huh, interesting
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sknebel
I have them in the e-content,
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Sebsel
there is nothing on /photo about it either.
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Zegnat
tantek has them in the e-content too I believe
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Sebsel
I will move them then.
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Zegnat
I guess theoretically it doesn’t matter where you put it. The spec says that u-photo is a photo belonging to the h-entry. Just that I have now found 1 place where it matters to one specific parser, and the h-feed-to-atom conversion might just be “wrong”
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Sebsel
u-photo is a draft property, I see now http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry
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Loqi
[Tantek Çelik] h-entry is a simple, open format for episodic or datestamped content on the web. h-entry is often used with content intended to be syndicated, e.g. blog posts. h-entry is one of several open microformat standards suitable for embedding data in HTML/H...
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sknebel
but e.g. for comment embedding I'd also probably only load a (sanitized version of) the e-content
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sknebel
and *I think* u-photo would be more relevant for like an interface that wants to show a title image for each post?
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sknebel
but I bet that has been debated already and we just have to ask aaronpk or tantek and document it better ;)
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sknebel
huh, interesting, granary keeps the classes on imgs
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Zegnat
sebsel, it is a draft property as far as mf2 is concerned. But for IndieWeb use case, u-photo can be important to distinguish photo posts. See https://indieweb.org/photo#Distinguishing_Photos_from_Notes
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Zegnat
sknebel, I think title images are debated to be u-featured, right? Or am I miss-recalling?
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Zegnat
Oh, yeah, u-featured is on the mf2 wiki under proposed :)
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sknebel
... right
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sknebel
mutters ranty things
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Zegnat
We should take this to -dev
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[kevinmarks]
Firefox not showing the C is weird
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Loqi
[kevinmarks]: mblaney left you a message 4 hours, 39 minutes ago: http://svgur.com/s/LS doesn't show the "C" in "HWC" on firefox!
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[kevinmarks]
I'll look at that later on. Maybe my sanitizer is mangling it.
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[kevinmarks]
I can make it back off a bit and only sanitize if it finds script tags
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aaronpk
good morning
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Loqi
aaronpk: sl007 left you a message 3 hours, 48 minutes ago: et. al: Hm, the hardest part in indieauth-node is now horizontally scaling. Well, indieauth-node was planned to keep all the secrets (e.g. OAuth provider creds.) in encrypted signed JWTs which are stored apart from the app. They are usable in any app and the user would start the server with a password from where JWTs can be decrypted and random session secrets can be generated. Problem: if you load balance between two di
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aaronpk
sl007: yeah indieauth.com is horizontally scalable where everything is passed in JWTs or locked to a specific subdomain when needed.
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aaronpk
i see some discussion about truncated IRC messages in the logs :)
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aaronpk
IRC isn't really meant for blogpost-length messages ;-)
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aaronpk
sl007: if you want to post something that long, feel free to write a post on your site and !tell me a link to it
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miklb
KevinMarks C is also cut off in Safari Tech Preview
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aaronpk
we need a new wiki page
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aaronpk
"Books about the IndieWeb"
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Loqi
[indienews] New post: "eliot peper: A dark vision of the social impacts of social media" http://www.eliotpeper.com/2016/06/a-dark-vision-of-social-impacts-of.html (from https://aaronparecki.com/2016/12/02/6/)
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ben_thatmustbeme
what is Books about the IndieWeb?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Books about the IndieWeb" yet. Would you like to create it?
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aaronpk
it seems silly to make the page for just one book, but also listing the book along with blog posts doesn't seem right either
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GWG
Isn't the hope it will grow?
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aaronpk
what are books about the indieweb?
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Loqi
Books about the IndieWeb lists books that reference the IndieWeb and related topics https://indieweb.org/Books_about_the_IndieWeb
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ChrisAldrich
I was thinking of writing an IndieWeb book for NaNoWriMo... perhaps I'll circle back around on it for one of the upcoming camps
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Loqi
ChrisAldrich: [jeremycherfas] left you a message 3 days, 7 hours ago: I might be interested in a google hangout as there doesn’t seem to be anything anywhere near me.
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GWG
Hello, ChrisAldrich
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ChrisAldrich
Wanna set up a hangout for the next in-cycle HWC? I'm guessing you have access to the "official" IWC Google account?
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GWG
I do
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GWG
For Youtube Live I do, at least.
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GWG
Hangouts on Air is fine, right?
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ChrisAldrich
If you create a hangout for the future and drop me the link, I'll set up all the rest of the details.
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GWG
What is the time/date?
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ChrisAldrich
Hangouts on Air is perfect.
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GWG
Timezones and such
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ChrisAldrich
12/14 is the next big wednesday
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ChrisAldrich
we could do as early as 5:30 pacific to bridge the gap between Eastern and Pacific without things getting too late?
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ChrisAldrich
6:30 if you think the Eastcoasters won't be held up too late...
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GWG
Split the difference?
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GWG
5:30 probably works best though
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GWG
That's 8:30 East Coast
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GWG
And we can tweak it
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ChrisAldrich
We should do it live and not record it unless you've got strong feelings about it...
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Loqi
I agree
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ChrisAldrich
Should we do a virtual quiet writing hour too? (Like broadcasting hack day at IWC?)
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aaronpk
lol i like the idea of a hangout of a bunch of people just sitting quietly at their computers
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GWG
aaronpk: I remember you coming in with your cup of coffee and whiteboard.
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aaronpk
that sounds like a thing i would do
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GWG
I traditionally have a 10PM EST appointment for 45 minutes on Wednesdays, but I could see about adjusting it.
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ChrisAldrich
if we do 8:30-9:30 EST, you should be fine, even if we go over a tad...
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ChrisAldrich
hrm... how to do an h-card for a virtual event...
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aaronpk
make the location "Cyberspace"
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aaronpk
that's what the portland police report form does: https://media.aaronpk.com/file-20161202093856-2044.png
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ChrisAldrich
Does anyone have the credentials for the IWC Facebook page that they could share for POSSE of a virtual HWC?
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GWG
Will do after lunch
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Virtual Homebrew Website Club Meetup | December 14, 2016" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-12-02 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/virtual-homebrew-website-club-meetup-december-14-2016
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aaronpk
ChrisAldrich: there are no credentials but i can add you to it
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ChrisAldrich
thanks aaronpk, I suppose I meant someone with credentials on the page already, but that works...
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ChrisAldrich
Given a virtual meetup, I'd recommend that people who are in smaller cities with 1 or 2 people could still get together in a public space for the more immediate camaraderie and link into the event as a possible means of building some momentum in their cities.
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KevinMarks
Ok, I fixed svgur.com so it doesn't mung svgs by default. I still need to work out why Firefox doesn't like that one
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KevinMarks
You may need to shift reload to clear the cache, as I didn't change the etag
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ChrisAldrich
aaronpk, friendship request confirmed...
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GWG
Chrisaldrich, I could use your brain for a moment
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ChrisAldrich
GWG, shoot
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aaronpk
ChrisAldrich: cool, added you to the page
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GWG
Trying to figure out a project to finish by end of year
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ChrisAldrich
something big or small?
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ChrisAldrich
I was thinking the other day that it would be nice if post kinds had even a basic "note"-like kind for locations with at least an icon, that way proto-checkins could be used now in a rough sense in anticipation of the bigger workflow down the road. I suspect you're far enough down the road that you could release a portion of it with others to be added incrementally down the road.
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GWG
Something small but impactful. I also have WordPress 4.7 coming out before 2017 which means PRs for pfefferle and taking advantage of some new stuff.
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GWG
Also my big projects are...big
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GWG
Chrisaldrich, my big project right now is a location rewrite.
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GWG
It's been stalled, so I am going to see about an intermediate version
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ChrisAldrich
Is your _s indieweb theme "done"? That could be very impactful, particularly for child themes that give the WP community some additional flexibility.
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[kevinmarks]
!tell mblaney try svgur.com now, and see if it behaves in your browsers. You may need to flush the cache.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat
Is anyone still using h-recipe? kevinmarks, did you have a h-recipe thing going, or am I recalling the wrong name?
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ChrisAldrich
GWG: How's your javascript? Better bookmarklets for the variety of post-types would be useful (using the template boffosocko.com/wp-admin/post-new.php?kind=bookmark&kindurl=@url)
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[kevinmarks]
Yes, unmung.com parses it and displays in the indiecard mode
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ChrisAldrich
Zegnat: I tinkered with h-recipe in the summer after KevinMarks' mentions of it. I still need to circle back to it for WordPress/JetPack's shortcard set up to get it working properly though.
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Zegnat
I just saw a friend running a recipe blog and was wondering if anyone was publishing h-recipe, more than parsing h-recipe
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[kevinmarks]
I added a translator for BBC recipes
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Zegnat
Aah, I think I saw you writing about BBC recipes before an that’s why I thought of you!
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GWG
I have little js
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ChrisAldrich
Zegnat, what platform are they using for their recipe blog?
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ChrisAldrich
I know JetPack had created a reasonable shortcode set up wrapped with some semantics (though not microformats yet). It's better than most of the defunct/unsupported recipe related plugins I saw when I was doing research during the summer.
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Loqi
Shortcode Embeds
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ChrisAldrich
Examples (though they may not be working perfectly yet): http://boffosocko.com/tag/recipe/
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KevinMarks
It does look like the sites that used to publish hrecipe have switched to schema
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GWG
Chrisaldrich, re JS, I have some plans in that area.
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GWG
But learning more JS is not a small thing
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ChrisAldrich
GWG: I'd meant to possibly delve into that topic at IWC-LA using some similar bookmarklets that do that type of thing already to hack something together, but it never got off the ground.
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gRegorLove
What is recipe?
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Loqi
recipe is special kind of post, that typically has a name, like articles do, a list of ingredients, and a list of instructions for making something, usually food or drink https://indieweb.org/recipe
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ChrisAldrich
I need to take a look at coming up with a few bit-sized IndieWeb New Year's resolutions myself, so thanks for helping to focus me. :)
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GWG
Chrisaldrich, I have been curious to do more with the endpoint API in WordPress
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GWG
Post Kinds uses admin-ajax and I might switch over
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Zegnat
ChrisAldrich, I completely missed your question! I believe they are currently using WordPress for the recipe blog.
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KevinMarks
I can't work out how to get Firefox to flush its cache so it actuality fetches the images and doesn't just send the etag
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ChrisAldrich
GWG: I've been wanting to delve into the documentation for WordPress API since a session at WC-LA months ago, but just haven't had the time.
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ChrisAldrich
Zegnat, here's some discussion of adding microformats for h-recipe into the Jetpack shortcode: https://github.com/Automattic/jetpack/issues/4470
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ChrisAldrich
At present it has some v1 mf, but primarily focuses on schema.org mark up
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KevinMarks
And the png renderer does the same thing as Firefox, so the C is missing too. I feel like I am being gaslit by my own code
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Zegnat
Oh, that’s interesting ChrisAldrich! I may have to put some time aside to see what they are doing then :)
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Zegnat
It’s also good to see a project maintainer not throw out mf2 because they already have schema for a change. Lets not only introduce semantics when search engines want them!
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GWG
Chrisaldrich, I will keep you posted on what I might do.
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ChrisAldrich
Zegnat: Here's a PR for mf2, though it may need some tweaks if you want to look at it/push on it
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GWG
I am in Florida right now though
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Zegnat
I haven’t done WP work in a long time, but will test that one out if I find the time
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GWG
I exclusively do it
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ChrisAldrich
Zegnat, if their blog has jetpack installed as a plugin (and many/most do), then the recipe shortcode is built into it and the link I gave above will explain how to use it.
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Zegnat
I will be passing that along. But for obvious reasons, I would have preferred an h-recipe solution from the start ;)
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ChrisAldrich
Zegnat, the jetpack shortcode has mf1 built in for hrecipe, but not mf2's h-recipe, so you're most of the way there.
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@jgmac1106
@jtbartels @mizuko you know me I am #indieweb all the way and want kids owning their data and syndicating to silos #lra16
(twitter.com/_/status/804772462227550208)
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[kevinmarks]
You can use my indiecard thing at unmung to check the hrecipe is good - it should handle mf1 and mf2
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Zegnat
Good to know, thanks KevinMarks. I think I have a weekend project now :)
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Loqi
Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-12-02.html
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Loqi
[indienews] New post: "Homebrew Website Club 2016-11-30" http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2016-11-30.html
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Loqi
Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-12-02.html
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aaronpk
hm i'm getting a 500 error from silopub trying to post that newsletter to twitter
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aaronpk
oh hey
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aaronpk
i must have checked too early and seen last week's 500 error
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