#indieweb 2016-12-02
2016-12-02 UTC
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# tantek hmm http://nateparsons.com/ appears down - do I optimistically link to it? I think so
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# mblaney !tell kevinmarks svgur.com is doing strange things to my images... http://svgur.com/s/LS
# Loqi homebrew website club http://svgur.com/i/LS.svg
# mblaney since it doesn't look right on svgur, here's a homebrew website club logo I've made: https://unicyclic.com/mal/2016-12-02-had_a_go_at_remodelling_the_indiewebcamp_logo_for_
# Loqi [Malcolm Blaney] had a go at remodelling the indiewebcamp logo for homebrew website club:
https://unicyclic.com/images/hwc.svg
# @html5cat 1/ Winter is coming – good time to check out https://indieweb.org and start moving in direction of decentralization and control of (twitter.com/_/status/804497404154101760)
# @html5cat 2/ your content, your identity, and your self. Check out (and join?) some of the commitments for the end of year: https://indieweb.org/2017-01-01-commitments%23Commitments (twitter.com/_/status/804497678096707584)
# Loqi [indienews] New post: "had a go at remodelling the indiewebcamp logo for homebrew website club:" https://unicyclic.com/mal/2016-12-02-had_a_go_at_remodelling_the_indiewebcamp_logo_for_
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# @BillSeitz WillaimHertling's KillProcess is (also) a tutorial on IndieWeb!? http://www.williamhertling.com/2016/08/technology-of-kill-process/ (twitter.com/_/status/804506025017675776)
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# Loqi [indieweb] "#Twitter won’t let me POSSE last night’s awesome Homebrew Website Club SF #animated #GIF because:
“Image file size must be " on 2016-12-02 http://tantek.com/2016/336/t2/homebrew-website-club-animated-gif
# Loqi [Tantek Çelik] a jpg. Too big for Twitter, too short for Instagram.
#Twitter won’t let me POSSE last night’s Homebrew Website Club SF #animated #GIF because:
“Image file size must be <= 5242880 bytes” (in a JSON error structure, GIF size is ~6MB)
and #In... https://scontent-sjc2-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/sh0.08/e35/p750x750/15306540_212642042523013_280824061532045312_n.jpg
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# Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-12-02.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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# [kevinmarks] What did it do wrong?
# Loqi [kevinmarks]: mblaney left you a message 2 hours, 31 minutes ago: svgur.com is doing strange things to my images... http://svgur.com/s/LS
# [kevinmarks] I added script tag filtering
# [kevinmarks] Or is the grey background the issue? I did that by default because of so many white images
# [kevinmarks] Google's image resizer will resize gif and keep it animating
# [kevinmarks] Gif is a crappy format
# [kevinmarks] Is the grey background what you're objecting to, mblaney?
# [kevinmarks] I also added auto-nipsa of svgs that don't parse or have scripts in
# KevinMarks Maybe I should just do the non white bag when the source image comes out all white
# tantek doesn't find anything about this limitation on https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to so waits for aaronpk to clarify what's happening
# KevinMarks It rejects gif as photo, you have to upload as a gif explicitly iirc
# tantek sknebel: do you have Twitter docs for that limitation? would be good to add that to /Twitter#Features (e.g. note where I said <5MB or something for photos)
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# KevinMarks I didn't hand my phone over - we should ask the others
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# tantek and that worked: http://tantek.com/2016/336/t3/went-trails-motion-film-festival
# Loqi [Tantek Çelik] went to the last part of Trails In Motion Film Festival at Sports Basement in the Marina, SF.
https://www.facebook.com/events/449445495252394/...
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "went" yet. Would you like to create it?
# tantek went is a way to express, in plain text, an [[RSVP]] *yes* value, when posting an RSVP to an event that was attended in the past, that is, posting of the RSVP after the fact. IndieWeb Examples: http://tantek.com/2016/336/t3/went-trails-motion-film-festival
# Loqi [Tantek Çelik] went to the last part of Trails In Motion Film Festival at Sports Basement in the Marina, SF.
https://www.facebook.com/events/449445495252394/...
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# mblaney !tell kevinmarks http://svgur.com/s/LS doesn't show the "C" in "HWC" on firefox!
# Loqi homebrew website club http://svgur.com/i/LS.svg
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# Zegnat Also, quick shout-out to the little things that get fixed at HWC: https://licit.li/584150ec876a8 (cc petermolnar)
# sknebel you could mark that up with <kbd> tags and style them like SO does: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/1939/kbd-elements-are-way-intrusive ;)
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# sl007 !tell aaronpk et. al: Hm, the hardest part in indieauth-node is now horizontally scaling. Well, indieauth-node was planned to keep all the secrets (e.g. OAuth provider creds.) in encrypted signed JWTs which are stored apart from the app. They are usable in any app and the user would start the server with a password from where JWTs can be decrypted and random session secrets can be generated. Problem: if you load balance between two di
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# Zegnat You might need to update, if you can, sl007. This sounds like the bug: https://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/4753
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# Zegnat See also https://indieweb.org/IRC#Clients for client ideas
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# sl007 Zegnat: Will try out. Unforunately "bundled" anything in Adium, not only IRC. So involving a bit of AppleScript might be easier (message split) - At which word was the message truncated? https://trac.adium.im/ticket/11277
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# Zegnat If you use https://granary-demo.appspot.com to convert from html to atom on https://aaronparecki.com or https://seblog.nl you will not get photographs on photo posts.
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# Sebsel u-photo is a draft property, I see now http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry
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# Zegnat sebsel, it is a draft property as far as mf2 is concerned. But for IndieWeb use case, u-photo can be important to distinguish photo posts. See https://indieweb.org/photo#Distinguishing_Photos_from_Notes
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# [kevinmarks] Firefox not showing the C is weird
# Loqi [kevinmarks]: mblaney left you a message 4 hours, 39 minutes ago: http://svgur.com/s/LS doesn't show the "C" in "HWC" on firefox!
# [kevinmarks] I'll look at that later on. Maybe my sanitizer is mangling it.
# [kevinmarks] I can make it back off a bit and only sanitize if it finds script tags
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# Loqi aaronpk: sl007 left you a message 3 hours, 48 minutes ago: et. al: Hm, the hardest part in indieauth-node is now horizontally scaling. Well, indieauth-node was planned to keep all the secrets (e.g. OAuth provider creds.) in encrypted signed JWTs which are stored apart from the app. They are usable in any app and the user would start the server with a password from where JWTs can be decrypted and random session secrets can be generated. Problem: if you load balance between two di
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# Loqi [indienews] New post: "Kill Process - by William Hertling" https://www.amazon.com/Kill-Process-William-Hertling/dp/1942097034?tag=aaronpk-20 (from https://aaronparecki.com/2016/12/02/4/)
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# Loqi [indienews] New post: "eliot peper: A dark vision of the social impacts of social media" http://www.eliotpeper.com/2016/06/a-dark-vision-of-social-impacts-of.html (from https://aaronparecki.com/2016/12/02/6/)
# ben_thatmustbeme what is Books about the IndieWeb?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Books about the IndieWeb" yet. Would you like to create it?
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# Loqi Books about the IndieWeb lists books that reference the IndieWeb and related topics https://indieweb.org/Books_about_the_IndieWeb
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# ChrisAldrich I was thinking of writing an IndieWeb book for NaNoWriMo... perhaps I'll circle back around on it for one of the upcoming camps
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# ChrisAldrich Hey GWG!
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# ChrisAldrich Wanna set up a hangout for the next in-cycle HWC? I'm guessing you have access to the "official" IWC Google account?
# ChrisAldrich If you create a hangout for the future and drop me the link, I'll set up all the rest of the details.
# ChrisAldrich Hangouts on Air is perfect.
# ChrisAldrich 12/14 is the next big wednesday
# ChrisAldrich we could do as early as 5:30 pacific to bridge the gap between Eastern and Pacific without things getting too late?
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# ChrisAldrich 6:30 if you think the Eastcoasters won't be held up too late...
# ChrisAldrich We should do it live and not record it unless you've got strong feelings about it...
# ChrisAldrich Should we do a virtual quiet writing hour too? (Like broadcasting hack day at IWC?)
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# ChrisAldrich if we do 8:30-9:30 EST, you should be fine, even if we go over a tad...
# ChrisAldrich hrm... how to do an h-card for a virtual event...
# aaronpk that's what the portland police report form does: https://media.aaronpk.com/file-20161202093856-2044.png
# ChrisAldrich Does anyone have the credentials for the IWC Facebook page that they could share for POSSE of a virtual HWC?
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# Loqi [indieweb] "Virtual Homebrew Website Club Meetup | December 14, 2016" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-12-02 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/virtual-homebrew-website-club-meetup-december-14-2016
# ChrisAldrich thanks aaronpk, I suppose I meant someone with credentials on the page already, but that works...
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# ChrisAldrich Given a virtual meetup, I'd recommend that people who are in smaller cities with 1 or 2 people could still get together in a public space for the more immediate camaraderie and link into the event as a possible means of building some momentum in their cities.
# KevinMarks Ok, I fixed svgur.com so it doesn't mung svgs by default. I still need to work out why Firefox doesn't like that one
# KevinMarks You may need to shift reload to clear the cache, as I didn't change the etag
# ChrisAldrich aaronpk, friendship request confirmed...
# ChrisAldrich Thanks!
# ChrisAldrich GWG, shoot
# ChrisAldrich something big or small?
# ChrisAldrich I was thinking the other day that it would be nice if post kinds had even a basic "note"-like kind for locations with at least an icon, that way proto-checkins could be used now in a rough sense in anticipation of the bigger workflow down the road. I suspect you're far enough down the road that you could release a portion of it with others to be added incrementally down the road.
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# ChrisAldrich Is your _s indieweb theme "done"? That could be very impactful, particularly for child themes that give the WP community some additional flexibility.
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# [kevinmarks] !tell mblaney try svgur.com now, and see if it behaves in your browsers. You may need to flush the cache.
# ChrisAldrich GWG: How's your javascript? Better bookmarklets for the variety of post-types would be useful (using the template boffosocko.com/wp-admin/post-new.php?kind=bookmark&kindurl=@url)
# [kevinmarks] Yes, unmung.com parses it and displays in the indiecard mode
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# ChrisAldrich Zegnat: I tinkered with h-recipe in the summer after KevinMarks' mentions of it. I still need to circle back to it for WordPress/JetPack's shortcard set up to get it working properly though.
# [kevinmarks] I added a translator for BBC recipes
# ChrisAldrich Zegnat, what platform are they using for their recipe blog?
# ChrisAldrich I know JetPack had created a reasonable shortcode set up wrapped with some semantics (though not microformats yet). It's better than most of the defunct/unsupported recipe related plugins I saw when I was doing research during the summer.
# ChrisAldrich Details can be found at https://jetpack.com/support/shortcode-embeds/
# ChrisAldrich Examples (though they may not be working perfectly yet): http://boffosocko.com/tag/recipe/
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# KevinMarks It does look like the sites that used to publish hrecipe have switched to schema
# ChrisAldrich GWG: I'd meant to possibly delve into that topic at IWC-LA using some similar bookmarklets that do that type of thing already to hack something together, but it never got off the ground.
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# gRegorLove What is recipe?
# Loqi recipe is special kind of post, that typically has a name, like articles do, a list of ingredients, and a list of instructions for making something, usually food or drink https://indieweb.org/recipe
# ChrisAldrich I need to take a look at coming up with a few bit-sized IndieWeb New Year's resolutions myself, so thanks for helping to focus me. :)
# KevinMarks I can't work out how to get Firefox to flush its cache so it actuality fetches the images and doesn't just send the etag
# ChrisAldrich GWG: I've been wanting to delve into the documentation for WordPress API since a session at WC-LA months ago, but just haven't had the time.
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# ChrisAldrich Zegnat, here's some discussion of adding microformats for h-recipe into the Jetpack shortcode: https://github.com/Automattic/jetpack/issues/4470
# ChrisAldrich At present it has some v1 mf, but primarily focuses on schema.org mark up
# KevinMarks And the png renderer does the same thing as Firefox, so the C is missing too. I feel like I am being gaslit by my own code
# ChrisAldrich Zegnat: Here's a PR for mf2, though it may need some tweaks if you want to look at it/push on it
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# ChrisAldrich Zegnat, if their blog has jetpack installed as a plugin (and many/most do), then the recipe shortcode is built into it and the link I gave above will explain how to use it.
# ChrisAldrich Zegnat, the jetpack shortcode has mf1 built in for hrecipe, but not mf2's h-recipe, so you're most of the way there.
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# @jgmac1106 @jtbartels @mizuko you know me I am #indieweb all the way and want kids owning their data and syndicating to silos #lra16 (twitter.com/_/status/804772462227550208)
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# [kevinmarks] You can use my indiecard thing at unmung to check the hrecipe is good - it should handle mf1 and mf2
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# Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-12-02.html
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# Loqi [indienews] New post: "Homebrew Website Club 2016-11-30" http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2016-11-30.html
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# Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2016-12-02.html
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