#indieweb 2016-12-04

2016-12-04 UTC
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@kongaloosh Refactoring my post-parsing was a nightmare, but my code is so much cleaner now. #indieweb (https://t.co/7jANZRS8WM) (twitter.com/_/status/805212343856726017)
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Salt I'm considering which blog platform to use for Snowdrift.coop and am looking between Ghost and Known. They both looked pretty slick at IWS, but I haven't spun either up yet. Any thoughts on this topic or something I may have overlooked?
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[kevinmarks] Known is easier from an indieweb point of view
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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sknebel morning Zegnat!
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Zegnat Any work getting done on your site today, sknebel?
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sknebel Zegnat: we'll see. I have to investigate some potential bugs, not sure if more
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Zegnat I hope to get my webmention endpoint up by the end of the day. So when I blog someone can feel free to reply
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sknebel I'm thinking about how I best fix the issue of not putting everything into e-content. storage/rendering layer needs some sort of refactoring to do that elegantly
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Zegnat Ah, so you decided putting everything inside your content property is the right way to go?
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sknebel wrong way round
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sknebel right now I do that
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sknebel since the content is an HTML blob that gets dropped in the template
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sknebel -> want to move to mf2-like structure and generate more of the HTML automatically from mf2 properties
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Jeena So, IRC doesn't seem to be the perfeck channel for everyone, I have one guy here telling me: "Hello! There is something weird about the pricing of my Internet connection, my mother tells me not to use Internet more than 2 hours/day. Is there any way to leave a question and get answers later without being Internet-connected to a chat all the time it takes before the answer comes?"
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Jeena I guess he could use the slack bridge instead?
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Sebsel Yeah, the Slack bridge works for that. It even keeps track of where you left off reading last time you where online.
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petermolnar Jeena tell the newbie to get a VPS with ZNC; he'll get all the history after that ( also, are you sure this is not a question from ~1996? )
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[jeremycherfas] What is ZNC?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "ZNC" yet. Would you like to create it?
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petermolnar ZNC is an IRC proxy, usually used to maintain uninterrupted connections which you can access from anywhere.
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Loqi ok
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petermolnar ZNC << http://wiki.znc.in/ZNC
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Loqi ok, I added "http://wiki.znc.in/ZNC" to the "See Also" section of /ZNC
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[jeremycherfas] I suspect Slack would be a lot easier to use for that person.
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petermolnar [jeremycherfas] maybe, but Slack won't help you to learn and to own your things, including your logs ;)
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petermolnar by the way, we have online, visible logs at https://chat.indieweb.org/ so I don't completely understand their problem
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[jeremycherfas] Very true @petermolnar I use Slack because it is relatively easy, but I can see that it would be good for me to learn IRC properly. My problem is that this really is just a hobby. I like learning new things, but there are times when I am simply too busy to keep tinkering, and that’s why I go back to simpler tools.
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petermolnar fair point; I'm using that ZNC for my work connection as well
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sknebel (I think we already have wiki section on clients at /IRC )
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[jeremycherfas] @petermolnar You see, I don’t even understand how to use @name in Slack. If you are here on Slack as a bot — because you relay in or something — how do I address you properly?
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petermolnar I'm not certain what you mean, but I have my client configured to notify me when my name is mentioned
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[jeremycherfas] Does your client need to see the @ in front of your name? What is the etiquette of addressing people directly?
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Sebsel No it's just the name. On IRC, Slack-people have []-brackets around their names. I believe a bracket-mention is made an @-reply on Slack.
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Sebsel [jeremycherfas] Do you see this as an @-reply?
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Sebsel oh well, it's details anyway
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[jeremycherfas] Yes sebsel, I see that as an @-reply.
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[jeremycherfas] And yes, it is details, but it is also good to be able to understand social norms and not violate them intentionally :slightly_smiling_face:
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Zegnat [jeremycherfas] there are very few social norms that you could be violating here, other than not being a nice person
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[jeremycherfas] Well, thanks Zegnat. I do my best.
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petermolnar because irc pre-dates the internet and twitter, the @ is not required, but all of use would understand the @ version as wel
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petermolnar I should check my nginx access/error logs a little more often o.O
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petermolnar and I should also speed up my exodus from wordpress; the amount of login tries is frightening
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Loqi yea
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GWG I feel very sad when people leave WordPress
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miklb who left?
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miklb GWG do you mean leaves IndieWeb WP?
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Loqi [indieweb] "Wish I remembered to use @withknown to POSSE my tweets , and goodness knows how to PESOS them when I don't! #indieweb #indiwebshame" by Rob Fairhead on 2016-12-04 http://raretrack.uk/2016/wish-i-remembered-to-use-withknown-to-posse-my-tweets
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@raretrack Wish I remembered to use @withknown to POSSE my tweets , and goodness knows how to PESOS them when I don't! #indieweb #indiwebshame (twitter.com/_/status/805435407936548864)
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GWG petermolnar is planning his exit.
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miklb ah
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miklb GWG did you watch/track the big State of WP yeseterday?
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miklb s/yeseterday/yesterday/
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GWG I saw a summary. I want to know more about the change to the release cycle
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miklb the gist I got is there isn't going to be a release cylce so much as Matt deciding what, when, where.
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miklb https://twitter.com/carlhancock/status/805220139935367168
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@carlhancock If I were going to fork WordPress I'd be sneaky about it in the early stages. Kinda like Calypso. (twitter.com/_/status/805220139935367168)
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petermolnar GWG I feel very sad when WordPress it getting bloated, broken, and faces towards JS :)
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GWG petermolnar, ditto to a point
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petermolnar ( broken example: the admin interface doesn't care about hooks for intermediate images )
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GWG miklb, I wouldn't mind if minor improvements are still made in point releases. But designing releases around a feature isn't a bad move
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GWG petermolnar, is there a ticket?
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miklb friendly pitch that if you are into php and looking for a new blogging tool, always looking for help with Habari, especially to make it an IndieWeb friendly blogging tool ;-)
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petermolnar there is known
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miklb can we have too many IW blogging tools? :-)
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miklb GWG I don't disagree, but when the design decisions are geared towards .com and not .org I get very wary. Those types of decisions is how Habari came about.
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miklb feels he's navigating int indiechat territory
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GWG miklb, we're discussing a platform my website uses, that seems on topic
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GWG But I just worry that the Indieweb friendly work I have put will stop
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miklb nods
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GWG I try to sneak something in each time. All low impact.
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GWG I rewrote the functions that as store pings. Would something like that still get in?
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petermolnar GWG I don't think there's a ticket about it; I dived into the code to figure out why my move-to-cache thing doesn't work on the admin interface and I walked away when I saw the mostly hardcoded way of dealing with them
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GWG petermolnar, what are you trying to accomplish?
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petermolnar getting rid of the thousands of generated images in the same folder where the originals live to block access to originals and only allow downsized; apparently this is incredibly problematic to achieve with regexes in nginx
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petermolnar so I wanted a plugin, which does the magic in the downsized images and returns the /cache/ urls for the corresponding filters and hooks
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petermolnar the admin interface doesn't give a blink and continues to use unfiltered ways of accessing them
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petermolnar but this is just one single example why I'm getting disenchanted with wordpress
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GWG Filters are something that are easier to get in if you can make arguments.
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miklb why wouldn't you want filters for everything?
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GWG Too many filters get confusing. They try to add only if someone thinks of a use case
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petermolnar if there's a filter on the frontend, the same should be present on the backend, the exact same hook/filter; and this is not the case
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GWG I think they would change it if you told them.
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Sebsel !tell tantek I found where I saw 'went' first. Meetup.com changes 'going' to 'went' for past meetups. But: no RSVP-ing after the event! I documented: https://indieweb.org/went
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Sebsel what is Meetup.com?
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Loqi Meetup.com is a proprietary website for to meet people in your local community who share your interests https://indieweb.org/meetup.com
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Sebsel ah
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Sebsel changing cases
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petermolnar GWG > "I think they would change it if you told them" - this is what's broken. I'm tired of working around things like this, something that is trivial. I see your point, but this is not code broken, this is WP decision making broken.
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[kevinmarks] @petermolnar I get wp login tries on all my sites. I'm tempted to serve a redirect to a giant binary file from the endpoints they try.
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petermolnar nah, just keep their connections open, no need to serve anything
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GWG petermolnar: I think you give them too much credit
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KevinMarks_ I don't want to dos myself
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petermolnar but dos-ing yourself is not even hard :) especially for apache users... https://github.com/llaera/slowloris.pl
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[sciencemonkey] I am the "newbie" with weirdly priced Internet and a whining mother. Where can I discuss ways to make unknown websites publicized? I have created http://scientific-method.wikia.com/wiki/Scientific_Method_Wiki
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Loqi [indieweb] "Chris Aldrich is reading “My 2017-01-01 #IndieWeb Commitment: Own All My RSVPs To Public Events” by Tantek Çelik" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-12-03 http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/02/chris-aldrich-is-reading-my-2017-01-01-indieweb-commitment-own-all-my-rsvps-to-public-events-by-tantek-celik/
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ChrisAldrich KevinMarks: I like your idea earlier of serving large files. The alternate is to lock down your wp-admin and there are a few plugins that might work: https://wordpress.org/plugins/rename-wp-login/ or https://wordpress.org/plugins/lockdown-wp-admin/. Surely there are others too...
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GWG Hi, Chrisaldrich
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ChrisAldrich Howdy GWG. How goes the winnowing process for the next big project?
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GWG I have a few things I am going to try to do
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GWG First, fix the latest version of Simple Location so it works again, even if full venue support isn't there yet
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GWG When 4.7 comes out, I want to release a simple plugin to delegate Pingbacks to Webmention.io
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GWG And a plugin to disable Trackbacks without Pingbacks also being disabled.
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ChrisAldrich that sounds like a great set of initial plans to me...
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ChrisAldrich I've been thinking this morning what to make as my IndieWeb resolution /2017-01-01-commitments
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GWG I also have some minor things that I want to do when 4.7 comes out.
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GWG Like supporting the new default settings feature, which will reduce several lines of code... but doesn't add features.
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GWG And pfefferle and I discussed a deleted post plugin
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KevinMarks_ These are not WordPress sites, but bots fetch those urls anyway
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