#indieweb 2016-12-06

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Loqi [indieweb] "Creating vCards from h-cards" by Brandon Rozek on 2015-12-27 https://brandonrozek.com/2015/12/creating-vcards-from-h-cards/
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@bennettscience @krisshaffer I really want to get into indieweb systems (PubHub, mainly), but hard to find one that's going to be sustained. (twitter.com/_/status/805969079827832832)
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tantek what is PubHub?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "PubHub" yet. Would you like to create it?
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KartikPrabhu more troubling is one of the replies: https://twitter.com/krisshaffer/status/805969553679351808
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@krisshaffer @bennettscience I'm sticking with open source over specifically indie web. The latter's ideology is too "freedom fascism" for me. (twitter.com/_/status/805969553679351808)
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GWG What is freedom fascism?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "freedom fascism" yet. Would you like to create it?
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gRegorLove one of these things is not like the other
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KartikPrabhu good luck arguing that if anyone wants to
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gRegorLove This is clever: http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/219117/we-built-a-bot-that-trolls-twitters-worst-anti-semitic-trolls
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GWG gRegorLove: You read Tablet?
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gRegorLove Came across it on Twitter
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gRegorLove Not familiar with it
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GWG It's a Jewish magazine site.
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Rescuing my tiny videos from Vine" https://martymcgui.re/2016/12/05/224243/
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@misuba @mmatuzak indieweb reasons. I figure if I get RSS right I can build from there. (twitter.com/_/status/805993661498429441)
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@kevinmarks @krisshaffer @bennettscience if you publish on your own domain, that's indieweb. Fascism is something else entirely. (twitter.com/_/status/805993927346036736)
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[sciencemonkey] "freedom fascism" is an oxymoron. Fascism is anti-individualist and considers the state more important than the individual, which is the opposite of freedom.
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Sebsel schmarty++ because I didn't want to invest much time in my Vines, but now I got all 6 back :D
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Loqi schmarty has 5 karma
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Sebsel what is vine?
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Loqi Vine was a service for sharing six-second-long looping videos https://indieweb.org/Vine
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Sebsel Vine << https://martymcgui.re/2016/12/05/224243/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://martymcgui.re/2016/12/05/224243/" to the "See Also" section of /Vine
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Loqi [Marty McGuire] Rescuing my tiny videos from Vine
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@krisshaffer @kevinmarks @bennettscience There is a substantial ideological component to the Indie Web movement: http://indieweb.org/principles (twitter.com/_/status/806116800131923968)
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@krisshaffer @kevinmarks @bennettscience There is even a road map/credential system for the "indieweb-ness" of a site. http://indieweb.org/IndieMark (twitter.com/_/status/806117148569600000)
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@krisshaffer @kevinmarks @bennettscience You've quoted this ideology at me, and you know I work on Domain of One's Own at UMW. DoOO ≠ IndieWeb. (twitter.com/_/status/806117941695672320)
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Sebsel re tweet above: The IndieMark-thingy is not the best way to measure an indiewebsite anymore, I think, but it's still seen as such.
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sknebel right, in Berlin there also was also some feedback along the lines of "there are so many 'you should do X', and I don't feel like they apply to me"
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Sebsel I talked about it on HWC Amsterdam with petermolnar and Zegnat. They also do 'level 3'-things, while skipping level 2-things, because they don't want to do them.
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Sebsel I don't want a self-hosted search.
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Sebsel So it's more a model, maybe? But it's seen as a guideline.
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petermolnar I never really agreed with the whole method of indiemark; the levels and the gamification feels awkward
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cweiske few people want to host their search themselves
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cweiske but I'm very happy that I do
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@marcjenkins @miklb nice notes and cool to see another indieweb proponent :) (twitter.com/_/status/806131435371372544)
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Sebsel I'm not against that! Your search looks great. It's just that I don't think I can do that myself.
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cweiske did you try to find a hosted search provider?
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Sebsel I don't think the content on my site is worth searching for others
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cweiske I mostly use my site search myself
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Sebsel I don't write useful articles in English. I write about things that I see in Dutch.
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cweiske since I also index directly linked URLs it's a nice reference for me
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Sebsel ah, yeah, so it's more for yourself.
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Sebsel It makes sense.
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cweiske in november, 24 people used my search
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Sebsel I might be one of them. I searched 'hi', or something, just to see how it worked :D
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Sebsel okay maybe a search is nice. My point is not that I don't want a search
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Sebsel The point is that IndieMark does not fit principle 10, plurality
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Sebsel oh well, I should get my tweets imported.
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[schmarty] I'm glad the post was useful, Sebsel!
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petermolnar !tell kylewm if you happen to have a little time, I'm struggling to use https://github.com/kylewm/flask-micropub : following example.py I'm only generating an endless redirect loop, and I don't see what I'm doing wrong
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar or if anyone else can help with that, I'd be glad as well
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sknebel petermolnar: at what step?
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j4y_funabashi hello
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sknebel hi j4y_funabashi!
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j4y_funabashi hey sknebel , hows things?
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sknebel slow ;)
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j4y_funabashi heh and it is only tuesday :D
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j4y_funabashi I am v close to finishing all micropub.rocks tests
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j4y_funabashi can almost taste it :)
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petermolnar sknebel still debugging it
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GWG I am still moving things around in my location UI.
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petermolnar sknebel the flask-micropub seems to be kind of user error: I'm proxying to the app at the moment, w/ http and nginx handles the https; the redirect_url therefore becomes http and this seem to generate a redirect loop
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petermolnar ...and this is -dev
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@kevinmarks @krisshaffer Why do you not recommend the indieweb plugins for domain of one's own WordPress sites? What is your ideological objection? (twitter.com/_/status/806166237105401856)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Why do you not recommend the indieweb plugins for domain of one's own WordPress sites? What is your ideological objection?" by Kevin Marks on 2016-12-06 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/why-do-you-not-recommend-the-indieweb-plugins-for-domain
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GWG Certainly we could use some improvements in those plugins, but what couldn't?
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petermolnar that twitter thread o.O
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@krisshaffer @kevinmarks Using the word "MUST" in all caps multiple times is not advice. It's telling people what to do. http://indieweb.org/IndieMark (twitter.com/_/status/806168395574116352)
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tantek perhaps IndieMark should link to RFC2119 for literalists :)
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tantek another approach would be to only respond to such threads/arguments from your own site, only POSSEing to Twitter, so that by *doing* indieweb, you demonstrate much more than the person arguing the other way on a *silo* only (tweeting)
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petermolnar RFC2119 is not a bad idea; I might even mention that IndieMark is not a hard requirement; indiewebify.me could probably be seen as an update to that
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petermolnar 2016, when people started to believe freedom is chaos and anarchy
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@kevinmarks @krisshaffer Which of the indieweb principles do you disagree with? Let's talk about them. You could even edit the wiki. (twitter.com/_/status/806181216672067584)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Which of the indieweb principles do you disagree with? Let's talk about them. You could even edit the wiki." by Kevin Marks on 2016-12-06 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/which-of-the-indieweb-principles-do-you-disagree-with-lets
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aaronpk lol "telling people what to do"
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aaronpk yes if you want to follow indiemark then this is what to do. Nobody is saying you have to follow indiemark
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petermolnar it seems so that people believe our wiki is constructed as a one-and-only-truth and many can't accept that those are guidelines from one to themselves only and nobody needs to follow it if the don't want to
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petermolnar how to do you make people, who believe there can be only one truth, understand that?
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aaronpk that sounds challenging
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petermolnar is this the same argument what LISP had eons ago? The Right Way™?
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@petermolnar @krisshaffer @kevinmarks nothing on http://indieweb.org is a "must" - MUST: see RFC2119 - it's a collection of guides, approaches, ideas (twitter.com/_/status/806188281276796930)
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miklb_ how are the upcoming sections on the home page of indieweb.org set? Someone manually updates the wiki?
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miklb_ seems so
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sknebel yes
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on How to Own & Display Your Twitter Archive on Your Website in Under 10 Minutes by Joe Crawford" by Joe Crawford on 2016-12-05 http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/05/how-to-own-display-your-twitter-archive-on-your-website-in-under-10-minutes/#comment-33155
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KevinMarks Inkstone makes replying via my own site on the phone easier
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Loqi [indieweb] "Chris Aldrich is reading “Maybe the Internet Isn’t a Fantastic Tool for Democracy After All”" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-12-06 http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/05/chris-aldrich-is-reading-maybe-the-internet-isnt-a-fantastic-tool-for-democracy-after-all/
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ben_thatmustbeme KevinMarks: that was the idea
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ben_thatmustbeme are you using the URL forwarder app?
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Loqi [indieweb] "Raspberry Pi, South Korea Stamps, Dutch Caribbean History, More: Tuesday Afternoon Buzz, December 6, 2016" by ResearchBuzz on 2016-12-06 http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/researchbuzz/main/~3/OIrBSMinIAQ/
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GWG I have to make that work for me.
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[schmarty] i am also interested in getting this set up.
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[schmarty] kevinmarks - does your known instance automatically POSSE to twitter?
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KevinMarks Not done the url forwarder yet. Known posses to twitter, and inkstone gives me a checkbox for it
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@t #Mozaloha @MitchellBaker Where internet+web have points of centralization, they’ve become points of failure. #indieweb (ttk.me t4kg2) (twitter.com/_/status/806230698692636676)
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Loqi [indieweb] "#Mozaloha @MitchellBaker Where internet+web have points of centralization, they’ve become points of failure. #indieweb" on 2016-12-06 http://tantek.com/2016/341/t2/internet-web-centralization-failure
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gRegorLove Good afternoon, indieweb
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Loqi [indieweb] "#Mozaloha @MitchellBaker Multiple networks? Different ways of finding content? Identifying ourselves? [Yes. #indieweb]" on 2016-12-06 http://tantek.com/2016/341/t3/different-ways-finding-identifying
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@t #Mozaloha @MitchellBaker Multiple networks? Different ways of finding content? Identifying ourselves? [Yes. #indieweb] (ttk.me t4kg3) (twitter.com/_/status/806232215659094016)
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ben_thatmustbeme afternoon gRegorLove
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, photo post worked from inkstone when i was on desktop
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ben_thatmustbeme but didn't work on mobile
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ben_thatmustbeme https://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2016/12/6/1/
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Loqi [Ben Roberts] https://ben.thatmustbe.me//upload/files/116_theresthedoor.gif testing photo posting
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ben_thatmustbeme definitely worked though
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ben_thatmustbeme at least that makes it super easy for me to post from desktop
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petermolnar what is Inkstone?
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Loqi InkStone (formerly MobilePub) is a web app for posting various items to your website using micropub https://indieweb.org/inkstone
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miklb_ ben_thatmustbeme any plans to support syndicate-to query param in inkstone?
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ben_thatmustbeme how do you mean?
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ben_thatmustbeme it checks for syndicate-to from the endpoint
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ben_thatmustbeme and it will show those
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ben_thatmustbeme but you have to log out and log back in to get it to retry
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ben_thatmustbeme or do you mean setting syndicate-to from the query to the post page?
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miklb_ the later, yes/
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miklb_ with Quill, I can choose which syndication target to use. I may not be using the correct verbage
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miklb_ https://cdn.miklb.com/New_Post_2016-12-06_15-52-18.png
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ben_thatmustbeme you can do that now, but i think it only looks for <micropub_endpoint>?q=config
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miklb_ ah, I'm using https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/CR-micropub-20160816/#syndication-targets
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Micropub
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, i'm updating that code now
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ben_thatmustbeme i thought you were talking about adding syndicate-to option to the query to the create page (thus prefilling it for you)
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ben_thatmustbeme one option is you can add a new syndicate-to field on your own in the settings
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ben_thatmustbeme but its not great
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ben_thatmustbeme give me a few and i should have it deployable
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miklb_ no worries, I'm a n00b when it comes to micropub, was just curious :-)
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miklb_ sometimes I wonder how I managed to get it working. lol
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miklb_ that's not true, voxpelli did a wonderful job creating the option for Jekyll users hosting their repo on GitHub
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ben_thatmustbeme miklb_: a few refreshes and possibly a logout / login (or just run window.localStorage.removeItem('mp-config')
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ben_thatmustbeme would still need to refresh since it needs to pull down the latest service worker and get it running
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ben_thatmustbeme i think that will work anyway
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ben_thatmustbeme when i get time i'll disable q=config support and see what happens
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miklb_ I'm not seeing anything different after a few refreshes and logout/login. I'll try another browser session in a bit. Thanks for the quick response!
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miklb_ I am seeing a 400 error in error console regarding the q=config
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, it should fail on that one, but then once it does, it should try with q=syndicate-to
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ben_thatmustbeme i'll probably have to do some testing
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ben_thatmustbeme i tried to do it quick
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ben_thatmustbeme feel free to add a github issue so i know to keep track of it
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miklb_ ?
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KevinMarks Is tantek using noterlive?
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ben_thatmustbeme huh does known use q=config?
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ben_thatmustbeme also KevinMarks its worth the very short setup time for URLforwarder
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ben_thatmustbeme being able to use the share menu is very nice
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on How to Own & Display Your Twitter Archive on Your Website in Under 10 Minutes by Greg McVerry" by Greg McVerry on 2016-12-06 http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/05/how-to-own-display-your-twitter-archive-on-your-website-in-under-10-minutes/#comment-33166
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tantek KevinMarks: no I wasn't using noterlive. But the series of posts fit as a thread so I threaded them
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KartikPrabhu what is thread?
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Loqi A reply chain (AKA reply thread) is a list of replies, and replies to those replies, displayed under the original post https://indieweb.org/thread
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