#indieweb 2016-12-07

2016-12-07 UTC
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[schmarty] nice /2017-01-01-commitments entry, GWG!
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GWG I hope I finally finish it.
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[schmarty] it seems like a useful tool
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GWG Well, the current version is a bit buggy. And the closest alternative plugin of similar design hasn't been maintained for years.
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[schmarty] those both sound like good reasons to believe a new version will be impactful for folks
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GWG I just continue to tweak the UI.
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[schmarty] UI is pretty critical. as more of a developer than a designer it takes me a long time to work out UIs that I am happy with, but the results are better when I spend the time than if I just slap a UI on top of an implementation.
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GWG This is going to be much nicer. I had to use JS though
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GWG I don't know JavaScript
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@jgmac1106 @Mr_Hutchinson_ @jonmbishop I would start with the #indieweb camp model. Just get teachers up and running on their sites first. (twitter.com/_/status/806314788850724864)
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@jgmac1106 @Mr_Hutchinson_ @jonmbishop Then you move into the open pedagogy around the #indieweb and domains of one's own but tailored to schools (twitter.com/_/status/806314968681431040)
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GWG Nothing like coding at the airport
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GWG I also get to test my location code in a new location.
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GWG Evening, Tantek
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Loqi [indieweb] "By: Joe Crawford" by Joe Crawford on 2016-12-05 https://twitter.com/artlung/status/805896001559019521
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Loqi [indieweb] "By: Greg McVerry" by Greg McVerry on 2016-12-06 https://twitter.com/jgmac1106/status/806190421688930308
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tantek evening GWG
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GWG Tantek, I committed
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tantek I saw! Awesome!
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GWG I am pleased that I may finally finish part of this project after a year
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GWG It is one of the few projects that also may have broader appeal.
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petermolnar I honestly thought jinja2 and twig templates are more or less cross-compatible. They are not.
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cweiske :/
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petermolnar stupidly subtle differences, like using () or not
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cweiske do you know if similarity was a goal of jinja2?
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petermolnar I'm guessing the official word would be 'influenced by'
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cweiske so opening issues to achieve compatibility would not help
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petermolnar no idea
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petermolnar maybe it would
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petermolnar there's also the case of the language below them, eg. date formatting; PHP with it's no%s, Python with %, and Python generally being an a*hole with dates
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cweiske so twig is jinja-inspired
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petermolnar yes
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cweiske "Twig was written by Armin Ronacher of Jinja fame."
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j4y_funabashi morning all
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petermolnar morning
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Loqi good morning
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petermolnar right, so the two main differences is the lack of match/search and date formatting in jinja2; solved by custom filters
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petermolnar apart from that, it's kinda working, but I still need a lot to do
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cweiske explaining the differences would make a nice blog post
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petermolnar not a bad idea
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@MrSimonWood @caemmett @francesbell Another thought… the overlap between the principles of DoOO we were talking about and #IndieWeb philosophy #altc (twitter.com/_/status/806448540071366656)
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cweiske petermolnar, you do not seem to provide language information in your blog posts
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petermolnar no, I don't
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cweiske https://petermolnar.net/szubkulttalanul/ is not english
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Loqi [Peter Molnar] Szubkulttalanul
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petermolnar a while ago I wanted to label them, but eventually dropped it, since baidu, google, etc. can all detect the language, if needed
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cweiske would be nice to have it marked up. I use '<html lang=""', e.g. http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/arbeitstag.htm
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Loqi [Christian Weiske] Ein Arbeitstag
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cweiske I actually have a script which autodetects language from the title
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cweiske using http://pear.php.net/package/Text_LanguageDetect/
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@francesbell @MrSimonWood agree - I favour the POSSE strategy :) https://indieweb.org/POSSE @caemmett (twitter.com/_/status/806452289858916352)
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sl007 I actually did autodetecting language in js - it uses fine 750 language fingerprints I did and is fine for node.js - In the browser you can select a set of fingerprints because performance (tell me if need)
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petermolnar https://pypi.python.org/pypi/langdetect/1.0.1 seems to be working quite wall
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petermolnar well
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Sebsel what is language?
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Loqi language may refer to human (AKA natural) languages or computer (often programming) languages https://indieweb.org/language
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Sebsel I think we need to move the programming languages out of there, and document this autodetect-thing :)
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Sebsel I was planing on storing a lang-field for all my posts, but this sounds good too
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petermolnar that is what I did a long, long time ago; manually adding lang fields
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petermolnar tedious and prone to errors
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petermolnar and, of course, automation is good for you
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cweiske my search engine then lets you filter by language (but only if the document explicitly states its language)
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cweiske http://search.cweiske.de/?q=xmpp -> sidebar
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Sebsel nice
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Sebsel so why detect yourself if others can detect too? because sometimes they don't, but do things with the lang-attribute
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@InfoKaiya http://kaiyamusic.com #Website #NewMusic #indie #indieweb #popmusic #indieartist #music #fashion #art https://twitter.com/InfoKaiya/status/806466628749852673/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/806466628749852673)
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cweiske detect once while publishing vs. detect again and again and again and again
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@tyler_paulson Just renewed my subscription to @FeedHQ for a 3rd year. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/806469141519601664)
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petermolnar oh, my: people, don't scale up animated gifs with python wand by accident; this is how you end up with 22M gifs :D
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j4y_funabashi huzzah! just got undelete working, only media endpoint left to do \o/
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j4y_funabashi https://micropub.rocks/implementation-report/server/39/ziALOZ1xn5Qqm5Y5S25v
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cweiske j4y_funabashi, http://p.cweiske.de/363
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j4y_funabashi cweiske: thanks but my micropub endpoint already accepts file uploads so I am just going to copy that code out into a new endpoint
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GWG Good morning, campers
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petermolnar hi GWG
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GWG Hello, petermolnar. Anything new there?
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petermolnar apparently being compatible is making things slow :) ( pandoc, for example, is not fast )
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GWG I am in a post WordPress 4.7 state of mind. That is when I wonder if I can get webmention into a future version.
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petermolnar you need to be more specific
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GWG How so?
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petermolnar oh, misread it; get into core you mean
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GWG I have doubts
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@doweio Indieweb: wish I could do more for you. https://dowe.io/2016/12/indieweb-wish-i.html (twitter.com/_/status/806517598594732032)
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ben_thatmustbeme good morning #indieweb
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell miklb_ try inkstone again and let me know how it goes. again, it may take a few refreshes to get the new version. You'll be able to tell because the bottom of the settings page will have version info now and a button to force refresh syndication targets
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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bjoern Greetings from HWC Nuremberg :)
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tantek greetings bjoern!
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ben_thatmustbeme good afternoon #indieweb
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gRegorLove I'm considering manually copying some of FB's "Memories" photo posts to my site. Sometimes they do a good job surfacing memories I'd like to keep, posted well before I even thought of posting photos on my own site. Also they're usually other people's photos of me I don't have copies of.
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KartikPrabhu gRegorLove: if they are other people's photos is it appropriate to post on your site?
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gRegorLove I'd only do it with friends' photos who I'm sure won't mind, or I'd ask
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KartikPrabhu that seems fine. maybe you can attribute the photo to them too
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gRegorLove Sure, definitely.
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gRegorLove Along those lines, I remember thinking years ago about how Tumblr reblogs create copies of photos and wondering how they got away with it.
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gRegorLove Specifically for stuff like webcomics.
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gRegorLove Most creators probably don't mind much, as long as their credit is in the image.
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KartikPrabhu maybe the "cpoyright" stuff wasn't enforced?
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KartikPrabhu right, reposting with credit is much better than just copying
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gRegorLove What is DMCA?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "DMCA" yet. Would you like to create it?
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gRegorLove What is Digital Millennium Copyright Act?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Digital Millennium Copyright Act" yet. Would you like to create it?
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gRegorLove Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) is a United States copyright law
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gRegorLove Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) is a United States copyright law.
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gRegorLove pokes Loqi
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aaronpk the (DMCA) broke it
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ben_thatmustbeme that was going to be my guess
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gRegorLove Digital Millennium Copyright Act is a United States copyright law.
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Loqi ok
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gRegorLove Gotcha
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gRegorLove DMCA is /Digital_Millennium_Copyright_Act
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Loqi ok
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gRegorLove Created to capture https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101028/15533611640/damn-good-reminder-if-you-run-a-blog-register-for-dmca-protections.shtml
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gRegorLove Is anyone here registered with DMCA?
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aaronpk wow, never heard of that
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gRegorLove Also https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20161201/18084736170/every-website-needs-to-re-register-with-copyright-office-who-cant-build-functioning-system.shtml
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aaronpk i registered a copyright on a music album in 1999 but they didn't have an online registration system then
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gRegorLove I think that's slightly different. I mean specifically the DMCA safe harbor registration
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gRegorLove Oy. "the system is not designed for individuals or sole proprietorships, even though those people should be able to get DMCA safe harbor protections as well. Specifically, to register, it requires an organization name and a "second contact" name and information."
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gRegorLove Though at least the registration fee went from $100 to $6
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Zegnat Hello IndieWeb!
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gRegorLove o/ Zegnat
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aaronpk thinks it's about time he set up a new website to talk about amateur radio stuff to keep it off of his main web page
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KevinMarks1 hm. maybe svgur.com should register with DMCA
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Zegnat Why a separate site vs a separate feed on your main site, aaronpk?
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aaronpk it's customary in this community for people to have a URL that matches their call sign. I also kind of like the idea of just having it totally separate
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Zegnat aaronpk, aah, the callsign thing makes sense. The way IndieWeb has domains as identity, I guess in the radio world your callsign is your identity.
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[schmarty] aaronpk as a licensed ham i am interested in this. any references for the "typical" call sign domain? is it usually a .com?
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aaronpk just anecdotal evidence every time I search for anything relating to radio. they seem to be mostly .coms
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aaronpk some .nets tho
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snarfed comms lol
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gRegorLove checks if .ham is a TLD
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KartikPrabhu so no one is using .radio yet?
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gRegorLove Ok, that'd be a better one :)
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aaronpk i was thinking about getting .fm to be clever
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[schmarty] @Zegnat callsigns are a big deal for identity. pretty much every state has a way of getting your callsign on your car license plate: http://www.arrl.org/amateur-license-plate-information
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[schmarty] .radio doesn't seem to be available, yet. .net is actually fairly clever, i think.
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KartikPrabhu what is callsign?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "callsign" yet. Would you like to create it?
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aaronpk but .fm is kinda expensive and also a lot of the communications happens on modes other than FM (frequency modulation)
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gRegorLove How long have you been into ham radio aaronpk? My dad was big into it when I was a kid; tried to get me to learn morse code. I did briefly but never got into like he did.
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gRegorLove Had his own tower in our backyard, heh
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aaronpk i've wanted to get my license since i was like 10
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aaronpk finally did it last month tho!
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gRegorLove Nice!
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Zegnat is refusing to get a driver’s licence
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kbs nice aaronpk :-) what level, out of curiosity?
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aaronpk i just passed the General exam on sunday!
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kbs nice!
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kbs are they still doing the 5wpm morse code for the extra?
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aaronpk nope, no morse code requirement at all anymore
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kbs haha, excellent :)
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Loqi awesome
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aaronpk hopefully soon I will have a radio-to-micropub gateway set up ;-)
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kbs that sounds like a fun hack indeed
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aaronpk there's this whole massive APRS network I can take advantage of
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kbs (context - used to be kg6qqr until I let it expire out of lack of actual use... I really loved building radios, but found I didn't actually use it for communication :)
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gRegorLove Hiya kbs. Are you still working on any pgp / private communications stuff?
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kbs gRegorLove: hey, long time :) not that much on pgp specifically, but related things for my job happily
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aaronpk kbs: aw, just missed the cutoff to renew it. but since you have the Extra license, all you have to do is pass the Tech exam and you'll get your old license back!
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kbs aaronpk: true enough.
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aaronpk oh hey speaking of, have you seen Private Webmention yet? would love to get your take on it https://indieweb.org/private-webmention
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gRegorLove kbs: I finally got a more secure pgp setup, subkeys on an OpenPGP card
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kbs gRegorLove: aha, nice :)
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kbs aaronpk: no claims to security expertise, as I just rely on others wiser than me here :) but based on the goals in the design considerations section, looks a nice balance between usability and the desired degree of acl security.
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aaronpk cool thanks :)
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MSiep I've set up a rel="me" link to my Twitter account on my home page, https://TechDesignPsych, and indieauth.com recognizes it as valid but indiewebify.me says "https://twitter.com/MSiep doesn’t link back" so I'm wondering whether I actually have it set up correctly or not?
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aaronpk MSiep: are you able to sign in on https://indieauth.com or the wiki?
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MSiep aaronpk: Yes on indieauth.com. Haven't tried the wiki.
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aaronpk cool, it works then :)
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MSiep Just tried on the wiki and it worked there. So is something wrong with indiewebify.me since it claims my Twitter profile doesn't link back?
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aaronpk yeah, that's strange
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MSiep OK, well glad I got it set up correctly. Thanks for your help!
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KevinMarks There's .am too but not .shortwave
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KevinMarks The http vs https thing? Is that still a problem with indiewebify.me
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aaronpk hm it might be another level deep of that problem
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aaronpk I see https://twitter.com/MSiep links to http://www.techdesignpsych.com which redirects to https://techdesignpsych.com/
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aaronpk MSiep: try changing the URL on your twitter profile to https://techdesignpsych.com/
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Loqi Home
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MSiep aaronpk: I did that and it indiewebify.me now accepts it as long as I specify https as what I'm testing too.
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aaronpk i think indiewebify.me is only following one redirect
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aaronpk MSiep: cool thanks for confirming. in general you should limit the number of redirects, but technically indiewebify.me should have allowed those multiple redirects anyway.
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MSiep ...but indieauth.com doesn't mind whether I do http or https.
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aaronpk yeah indieauth.com's redirect handling is a little better
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MSiep I'd wondered if the Twitter redirect had something to do with it, since I noticed it turns it into a t.co URL.
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aaronpk yeah that was the first time we started dealing with redirect issues, but people still have a variety of www / http / https redirects despite the t.co thing
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gRegorLove Yeah, I need to get back to those improvements on indiewebify.me
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Zegnat That whole redirecting and canonical URLs thing is what has kept me from releasing my verification browser extension :/ It is annoying
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gRegorLove Related: https://github.com/indieweb/indiewebify-me/issues/54
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gRegorLove And https://github.com/indieweb/indiewebify-me/issues/52#issuecomment-245544196
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