#indieweb 2016-12-08

2016-12-08 UTC
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tantek greetings #indieweb
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tantek learned of a couple of efforts at Mozilla today that are related to /link-preview
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tantek and filed a couple of github issues requesting microformats2 support:
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GWG tantek: Anything you can share re link-preview?
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tantek GWG, yes, here are the issues I filed
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tantek https://github.com/mozilla/page-metadata-service/issues/123
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tantek and https://github.com/mozilla/fathom/issues/42
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aaronpk interesting
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tantek GWG, I'm hoping you find something useful in those repos and would be interested in your feedback
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GWG Ok
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tantek yeah, just found out about these during a lightning talk, so I filed the issues to at least start the conversation about supporting parsing microformats2
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tantek hoping that the built-in microformats2 parser can help
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tantek so many people at Mozilla working on different things, it's easy to miss things like this
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gRegorLove Pebble's shutting down: https://blog.getpebble.com/2016/12/07/fitbit/
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Loqi Pebble’s Next Step December 7, 2016 #TinyMomentsOfAwesome Behind the Scenes Community Development Hardware Kickstarter Update Lifestyle News Software No Comments community, ecosystem, fitness, hardware, health, kickstarter, n...
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tantek what is pebble?
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Loqi Pebble or the Pebble Watch is a smart watch that pairs to a mobile device via Bluetooth LE, and provides a very minimal low resolution black&white text & pixel display, has passive sensors (3D accelerometer, compass, ambient light), a vibration motor and four buttons https://indieweb.org/Pebble
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GWG I'm sorry for aaronpk.
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GWG He loves his Pebble.
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tantek but the watches keep working right? there's no silo/cloud component right?
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tantek and presumably existing pebble apps keep working?
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gRegorLove Yeah, afaik
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gRegorLove "Pebble devices will continue to work as normal. No immediate changes to the Pebble user experience will happen at this time." but then "Pebble functionality or service quality may be reduced in the future."
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gRegorLove I guess that probably means because of no new firmware updates
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@malcolmblaney lots of overlap between @dcentproject and @indiewebcamp. looks great! <3 (https://t.co/ApGIaRVGWj) (twitter.com/_/status/806699508755296261)
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aaronpk Pebble is one of the few wearables that doesn't actually run everything through the cloud, although some of the newer features started doing that more.
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aaronpk Most of what I use it for will keep working as long as the device keeps working
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aaronpk ironically a week ago my watch forgot who it is and I haven't been able to get it to work again
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GWG aaronpk: I like Pebble. But I didn't like the 2nd gen design.
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jaduncan Just a little note to say thank you all for all of your work. I'm just about to start converting my site, and the resources provided are really impressive.
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jaduncan You may carry on, hopefully feeling slightly more appreciated. ;)
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KartikPrabhu jaduncan: welcome. glad you found it useful
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bignose jaduncan: which resources in particular have you found primarily useful?
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KartikPrabhu jaduncan: in the same spirit please feel free to point out or better edit yourself the ones you do not find useful
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jaduncan https://indiewebify.me is a good first guide (the emphasis on step by step changes was useful) and when I'm up to speed with that and Known I'll start to have some input on the wiki. I'm a Linux user, I know patches are always welcome.
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KartikPrabhu jaduncan: awesome! what is your website URL?
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jaduncan http://www.jaduncan.com - it's a pretty dead Blogger site at the moment, but I'm not so far away from the point where start blogging cycling down Africa, so I want to get the tech sorted out. I also have a belief in open systems and standards, so it will be nice to sort things out and be the change I want to see. I also don't want to have to log into various places every time I want to make an update. :)
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KartikPrabhu jaduncan: sounds great! feel free to ask questions around here
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@colinjohnston @gruber @davepell why not syndicate special content to Medium from own domain ala @indiewebcamp POSSE? (twitter.com/_/status/806759156862488577)
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pfefferle good morning #indieweb
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Sebsel good morning :)
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j4y_funabashi morning
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[jeremycherfas] Morning. (Still lurking.)
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j4y_funabashi what is ghost
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Loqi Ghost is an an open source blogging software project written in node.js, and also a hosted silo at https://ghost.org https://indieweb.org/Ghost
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[jeremycherfas] Still looking for advice on how to format replies from my Known site going to Twitter. I really don’t need them to repeat the content, and I certainly don’t need my dumb avatar up there every time. Any clues? Here’s an example https://twitter.com/EatPodcast/status/806850545134747649
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@EatPodcast @madwags Guess you're not watching Designated Survivor. Or are you? (https://vaviblog.com/2016/madwags-guess-youre-not-watching-designated-survivor-or-are-you) (twitter.com/_/status/806850545134747649)
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cweiske maybe disable twitter tags?
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petermolnar [jeremycherfas] tantek circumvented that by not putting in real url, eg. "ttk.me t4khB" instead of "http://ttk.me/t4khB"
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] Hey #MozAloha folks overcrowded on your phones in “Tour of Engine Room”, come over next door to “Adversial Thinking”
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petermolnar !tell tantek Y U NO https on ttk.me?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4kiftCTX.jpg
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petermolnar oh, another nested Loqi
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cweiske Y U test
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cweiske Y U NO test
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petermolnar cweiske Y U NO use Loqi properly?
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4kiBGbgn.jpg
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cweiske test Y U NO test
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4kikmuC0.jpg
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cweiske test Y U test
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cweiske test Y NO test
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cweiske test test Y U NO test
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4kibJAc8.jpg
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@samsethi h/t @kevinmarks - WebSub, "open, simple, web-scale decentralized pubsub protocol, WebMentions, indiewebify.me, ActivityPub & Mastodon #learn (twitter.com/_/status/806864347586760705)
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[jeremycherfas] cweiske Not sure I know where I would disable Twitter tags. In Known somewhere? Not on Twitter, I don’t think.
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cweiske https://vaviblog.com/2016/madwags-guess-youre-not-watching-designated-survivor-or-are-you contains twitter tags:
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Loqi [Jeremy Cherfas] @madwags Guess you're not watching Designated Survivor. Or are you?
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cweiske <meta name="twitter:card" content="summary"/>
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cweiske and so on
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cweiske no idea if you can disable them in known
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[jeremycherfas] @petermolnar Again, not sure where or how I would do this, as I still have very limited access to Known under the hood. (Working on that, though.)
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petermolnar [jeremycherfas] I have no ideas what Know can and can not do out of the box; tantek's solution is an example of how to avoid the problem
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[jeremycherfas] Ah, I see, I’m still wrestling with the fact that I cannot currently make changes to my Known installation.
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petermolnar but that has nothing to do with known directly
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petermolnar ^ this was the continuation of my line
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[jeremycherfas] Petermolnar. Right. I guess I need to see if I can find out more details about tantek’s solution.
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petermolnar even if you did, it may be crucial to have a tie-back url in the tweet for known to identify it, though I'm just guessing here
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petermolnar a url like that is needed for bridgy
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petermolnar for example
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cweiske syndicate-to is the keyword here
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petermolnar twitter is making a mistake by facebookifying the way they handle links
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cweiske see http://indieweb.org/rel-syndication
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[jeremycherfas] So even if I knew how (and indeed whether) Known was generating a twitter card or a syndicate-to of some sort, I wouldn’t be able to experiment with it.
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[jeremycherfas] I think I may just be frustrating myself by worrying about this stuff until I have true control over my domain and the freedom to mess it up if I want to.
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Loqi [indieweb] "phinde, my self-hosted search engine - Christian Weiske" on 2016-12-08 http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/phinde.htm
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "phinde, my self-hosted search engine" http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/phinde.htm (from https://aaronparecki.com/2016/12/08/3/)
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aaronpk cweiske++
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Loqi cweiske has 64 karma in this channel (72 overall)
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[schmarty] great write-up, cweiske++!
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[schmarty] cweiske++ for the great write-up!
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Loqi cweiske has 65 karma in this channel (73 overall)
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Zegnat sebsel, any proposed locations for "HWC the Netherlands" next week?
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Sebsel well if it's just us two, Arnhem is the best option, but for continuity Schiphol would be better.
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Sebsel Arnhem is closer to Germany however... anyone? :)
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Zegnat Hahaha, sknebel, time to shine? :p Though I guess if you have to fly in, Schiphol would be preferable
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Loqi Zegnat: lol
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Zegnat I can definitely do Arnhem though, sebsel. The first time I will get outside of Arnhem train station, I think
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jonnybarnes anyone here heard about micro.blog?
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jonnybarnes domain literally http://micro.blog
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KartikPrabhu well "To find out when Micro.blog is available, please subscribe to the announce list below:"
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[schmarty] the screenshot of example posts shows dates in march of this year, so i think this teaser page has been up for several months
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aaronpk that looks familiar but with a different name
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aaronpk there it is http://snippets.today/
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aaronpk http://snippets.today/about
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[schmarty] quick indieauth(.com) question for aaronpk (or other folks that might know): is it possible to have an "unhosted" javascript app successfully complete an indieauth flow and get a token usable for micropub?
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[schmarty] wow that certainly is the same site, good find!
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KevinMarks1 database-antipattern << http://imgur.com/r/ImagesOfThe2010s/dgR5T
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Loqi ok, I added "http://imgur.com/r/ImagesOfThe2010s/dgR5T" to the "See Also" section of /database-antipattern
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aaronpk [schmarty]: yeah as long as the app has a URL that can be redirected to
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[schmarty] i am working on a micropub client for events and realized that if i can do the indieauth dance without a server component that would make it easy for other folks to grab it and self-host
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aaronpk there's no secret or pre-registration required for indieauth so the typical things that prevent OAuth 2 from working with javascript apps don't apply
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[schmarty] ok, that was the sense i was getting from looking at the indieauth.com source and my vague understanding of OAuth 2
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[schmarty] that's really helpful, thanks!
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aaronpk [schmarty]: try looking through this guide https://indieweb.org/obtaining-an-access-token
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aaronpk probably more helpful than the indieauth.com source
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[schmarty] looks like as long as the app can make requests to the token endpoint and the micropub endpoint then it should work
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aaronpk yeah
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[schmarty] i had forgotten about that page. definitely easier to reason through. :}
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aaronpk oh yeah those endpoints will need to support the necessary CORS headers to allow those requests
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aaronpk would appreciate adding notes to the wiki for anything special you have to do to make that work
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@linuxheilbronn Unser @dkreuz stellt einem Dutzend Usern gerade das »IndieWeb« vor. Vorteil: Meine Daten sind auf meiner Website! https://indiewebify.me (twitter.com/_/status/806947711173951489)
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[schmarty] now i am trying to balance the costs/benefits of building a static single page app which is easy to host but complicated to set up due to CORS issues, versus requiring a server component that is more complicated to host but bypasses CORS and other running-in-the-browser issues.
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gRegorLove Haha. I got quite a kick out of that line in that movie, KevinMarks. Almost as much fun as "It's coming through the RSS feeds!" in Man of Steel
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Loqi hehe
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KevinMarks1 clearly the screenwriter had tried to use emoji in MySQL
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[schmarty] with a server component, the client could also be made to work without javascript, which somehow "feels more indieweb" to me
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KartikPrabhu also see: https://twitter.com/andybrk/status/805706545346461696
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[schmarty] anyway, i guess this is dev talk. thanks again for the pointers!
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@andybrk The most disturbing part of Westworld I have seen so far is that React survives into the future and is somehow part… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/805706545346461696 (twitter.com/_/status/805706545346461696)
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Zegnat [schmarty], you could also develop it as a single page app, and then package it up as a WebExtension so you can get around CORS
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[schmarty] what is WebExtension?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "WebExtension" yet. Would you like to create it?
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aaronpk course then you have to make sure the authorization server will allow the crazy URI that will be required to redirect properly
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Zegnat True, I think those pages are accessed on the chrome: scheme. Would be interesting to see if servers accept non-http schemes
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Zegnat What are WebExtensions?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "WebExtensions" yet. Would you like to create it?
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Zegnat hmm, I would have thought we had a page
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[schmarty] WebExtensions are https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Add-ons/WebExtensions/What_are_WebExtensions
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Loqi ok
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[schmarty] haha, ok, i have used loki to create a bad stub.
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Zegnat That’s a good link, [schmarty]. I was just looking at https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Add-ons/WebExtensions
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jonnybarnes if someone edits the wiki does Loqi mention that somewhere?
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aaronpk yeah in #indieweb-dev
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miklb unless minor edit is check I believe
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Sebsel yeah minor edits are silent
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jonnybarnes ah, thatd explain it
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jonnybarnes gah travis-ci is being super slow
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gRegorLove yeah, don't usually recommend the minor edit box, unless it's really minor, like a typo
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Loqi [indieweb] "Why we built Known" by Ben Werdmuller on 2015-12-08 http://stream.withknown.com/2015/why-we-built-known
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Loqi [indieweb] "A short note about web standards from your friends at Known" by Ben Werdmuller on 2015-10-13 http://stream.withknown.com/2015/a-short-note-about-web-standards-from-your-friends-at
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Loqi [indieweb] "Self-hosted Known 0.8.5 has left the building - with better indieweb, micropub and AMP support." by Ben Werdmuller on 2015-10-13 http://stream.withknown.com/2015/self-hosted-known-085-has-left-the-building---with-better