#indieweb 2016-12-13

2016-12-13 UTC
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@jonathanprozzi Join us Weds at @DHFBaltimore for the last Homebrew Website Club Baltimore of 2016! #indieweb http://jonathanprozzi.net/2016/12/homebrew-website-club-baltimore-12/14/2016/ (twitter.com/_/status/808514954898919428)
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KevinMarks Fascinating https://mobile.twitter.com/tw/status/808448327603798016
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Zegnat tantek, can you add the Netherlands to the wiki sidebar for HWC?
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Zegnat Also: good morning IndieWeb!
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tantek hello Zegnat
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Zegnat Also, tantek, do you think this makes it clear that the NL HWC moves around? https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club#The_Netherlands
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tantek lol
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tantek Zegnat++
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Loqi zegnat has 27 karma in this channel (29 overall)
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@jkphl Last Homebrew Website Club Nuremberg in 2017 will happen Nov 21st, the shortest day of the year. Drop by! #indieweb https://indieweb.org/events/2016-12-21-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/808610462560645120)
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@jkphl Last Homebrew Website Club Nuremberg in 2017 will happen Dec 21st, the shortest day of the year. Drop by! #indieweb https://indieweb.org/events/2016-12-21-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/808610713614872577)
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@IndieWebCampDE Letzter Homebrew Website Club Nürnberg 2017 am 21. Dezember, dem kürzesten Tag des Jahres. Kommt vorbei! #indieweb https://indieweb.org/events/2016-12-21-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/808610984197836800)
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Zegnat Before I start writing one: do we have a simple guide specifically for RSVP'ing on the wiki? To help people who know nothing of MediaWiki and have never before used IndieAuth for login?
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@schmarty Great post by @aaronpk about his #IndieWeb setup. I should make one of these! https://aaronparecki.com/2016/12/12/9/my-website (twitter.com/_/status/808684631100915712)
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miklb_ good morning IWC
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ben_thatmustbeme morning miklb
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ben_thatmustbeme don't know if you saw the message last night. i found the error with posting on my end
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ben_thatmustbeme i had messed something up
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ben_thatmustbeme inkstone should work now
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@adactio @nice2meatu Thanks. I’ll write a blog post about that. http://indieweb.org/fragmention (twitter.com/_/status/808714762200764416)
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@adactio @beep I am standing on the shoulders of wizards: http://indieweb.org/fragmention (twitter.com/_/status/808732400440242176)
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@sophistreads ✌ @Reading "fragmention - IndieWeb" http://ing.am/p/4x2M (twitter.com/_/status/808735663130636290)
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@matto @ChuckWendig you might look at https://indieweb.org/POSSE (Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere) (twitter.com/_/status/808756579726000128)
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snarfed so i've been looking at block lists, mute lists, and friend/follower(ing) lists
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snarfed we have very thin existing examples of all three
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aaronpk interesting
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aaronpk likely because there are relatively few examples of readers still
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snarfed http://indieweb.org/followers has a XFN style rel="..." on h-card links
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snarfed http://microformats.org/wiki/block-list-brainstorming#simple_container_of_hCards proposes a ul.u-blocklist of li.h-cards
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Loqi block-list-brainstorming
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snarfed my use case is actually marking up and sharing block/mute lists
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snarfed but they all felt similar, so seems like the mf2 should be similar
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snarfed and since there are relatively few top-level mf2 classes (h-entry etc), i don't know that top-level u-blocklist, u-mutelist, and u-following/ers (?) are warranted...?
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snarfed not sure
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Zegnat it can be h-feed of h-entry items, thought that might be to generic
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snarfed yeah they're not h-entries
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snarfed and the mf2 wiki is clear that h-feeds contain h-entries
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snarfed i don't really care how i mark up block and mute lists; happy to do whatever. just thought i'd raise it here.
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snarfed i may prototype with ul.u-blocklist of li.h-cards, from the mf2 wiki brainstorm. i suspect we'll end up with something else eventually though.
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Zegnat h-rolodex as a h-card container? ;)
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tantek snarfed, can you describe the use-case a bit more precisely in terms of user A, user B etc.?
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tantek before formatstorming, better to document an actual person to person scenario first
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gRegorLove Good afternoon, indieweb
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snarfed tantek: sure! the simplest use case is user A wants to publish their block list, mute list, or following list
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aaronpk well you don't need microformats if you just want to publish something! you need microformats once you want someone/something else to consume it!
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snarfed the next use case is user A wants to share one of those lists with service B, either publicly or privately, so that service B can provide functionality, e.g. filtering webmentions
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snarfed discussion in https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/473
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gRegorLove What is blocklist?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "blocklist" yet. Would you like to create it?
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gRegorLove What is mute?
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Loqi mute is the ability to hide posts in your reader from specific publishers https://indieweb.org/mute
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snarfed specifically https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/473#issuecomment-140507947
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snarfed my immediate task at hand is to make granary read flickr and twitter block/mute lists and convert them to AS and mf2
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snarfed next is for voxpelli's webmention service to read them and filter wms based on them
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gRegorLove blocklist is /block
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Loqi ok
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voxpelli That would be awesome :)
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snarfed another use case is sharing block lists person to person, a la https://blocktogether.org/
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tantek snarfed++ wow that is quite cool
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Loqi snarfed has 243 karma in this channel (247 overall)
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tantek that's worth of documenting in /blocklist#Brainstorming !
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tantek worthy*
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KevinMarks Talking of block tools, there is one called blockchain. It's a browser extension that blocks everyone who follows an account
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KevinMarks https://twitter.com/girlziplocked/status/799737900074237952
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@girlziplocked Like I said. Every time a Deplorable @ me, I go to their page and block all of their followers. https://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_thumb/799737445336186880/pu/img/ba2e6Med5fPhrCFE.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/799737900074237952)
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tantek wow
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tantek what about blocking eggs?
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KevinMarks blocklist << https://twitter.com/girlziplocked/status/799737900074237952
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@girlziplocked Like I said. Every time a Deplorable @ me, I go to their page and block all of their followers. https://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_thumb/799737445336186880/pu/img/ba2e6Med5fPhrCFE.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/799737900074237952)
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/girlziplocked/status/799737900074237952" to the "See Also" section of /blocklist
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KevinMarks blocklist << https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/twitter-block-chain/dkkfampndkdnjffkleokegfnibnnjfah
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Loqi ok, I added "https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/twitter-block-chain/dkkfampndkdnjffkleokegfnibnnjfah" to the "See Also" section of /blocklist
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ben_thatmustbeme i keep forgetting about the << thing
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Loqi There was an error: Array
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KevinMarks That has a follower export import format too
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tantek KevinMarks: can you add a citation to that export import format in particular to http://microformats.org/wiki/block-list-formats ?
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Loqi block-list-formats
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gRegorLove Is there a github for Loqi?
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aaronpk parts of loqi
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Sebsel parts of loqi sounds macabre
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gRegorLove Was going to suggest Loqi follow redirects when adding See Also links
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aaronpk i could put the wiki management stuff in a repo
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KartikPrabhu don't know if folks here saw this: adactio wrote a web-book https://resilientwebdesign.com/ and it uses /fragmention . Select a text and its fragmention shows up in that URL bar