#indieweb 2016-12-14

2016-12-14 UTC
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KevinMarks1 that is a nice enhancement
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@sdepolo Join #indieweb Homebrew #meetup at @GoDaddy #SF tomorrow with @kevinmarks + @wpsfo @WCKaraoke afterwards: https://www.facebook.com/events/1779680588738782/ (twitter.com/_/status/808859003438579716)
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tantek sdepolo++
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Loqi sdepolo has 2 karma
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schmarty haha http://www.seriously.tv/posts/unboxing-ableism
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Loqi nice
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schmarty whooops, wrong room, folks. apologies.
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schmarty getting used to having indieweb as a matrix room >_<
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tantek !tell snarfed does Bridgy Publish do anything with a u-photo that is an SVG? does it try to send it to Twitter or FB or Flick to publish there? Thinking of trying one and seeing what happens
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KevinMarks_ Svgur makes a png for them
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KevinMarks Hm. I wonder if I could do content negotiation with the silos
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KevinMarks They reject the svg
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@xtof_fr .@t : @dirtyf answered about @staticmanapp compliance w/ #indieweb #microformats > https://jamstatic.fr/2016/12/09/des-commentaires-statiques-avec-jekyll-et-staticman/%23comment-3049677044 https://twitter.com/jamstatic_fr/status/808311203193819136 (twitter.com/_/status/808927918512570368)
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tantek hmm looks like I'm not auto-embedding SVG in my CASSIS auto_link function. I wonder if KevinMarks already asked me to support this
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tantek does an SVG make sense as photo post? is anyone posting SVG photos?
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tantek PNG it is for now then, until we figure this out
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sknebel if there isn't a distinction between photos vs images in general, I'd say it makes sense.
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KartikPrabhu SVG photos are a weoird thing. image maybe
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cweiske commentpara.de uses an svg image as user photo
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cweiske s/user/author/
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tantek cweiske great example
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cweiske Loqi, WHY U NO sed replacements
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cweiske this svg does not render on withknown instances :/
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tantek hmmm
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tantek are you providing a fallback PNG?
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cweiske no
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tantek I'm curious how to POSSE an photo SVG
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tantek s/an/a
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sknebel is there a clear way to provide fallbacks?
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KartikPrabhu POSSE the URL to the SVG?
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cweiske see the comment "to see some real reasons" on http://www.1500wordmtu.com/2016/slack-no-more-why-you-should-use-riotim-and-matrixorg
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Loqi [Paul Lindner] Slack no more. Why you should use Riot.im and Matrix.org
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cweiske broken image
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cweiske or http://www.raretrack.uk/2016/wish-i-remembered-to-use-withknown-to-posse-my-tweets
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Loqi [Rob Fairhead] Wish I remembered to use @withknown to POSSE my tweets , and goodness knows how to PESOS them when I don't! #indieweb #indiewebshame
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KartikPrabhu sknebel: the <picture> or srcset markup provides fallbacks
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tantek sknebel yes, with <object> or perhaps <picture>
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tantek but it is not well explored IMO
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tantek I'd like to see modern examples of SVG with PNG fallback
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tantek especially to explore the use of the PNG in POSSE use-cases
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tantek e.g. can you upload an SVG to Twitter as a photo?
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tantek can you upload an SVG to Facebook as a photo post?
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tantek can you upload an SVG to Flickr as a photo?
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KartikPrabhu tantek: I use SVG with fallbacks, not for POSSE though since I POSSE photos which are best in JPG
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sknebel In indieweb world, do any mf2 parsers do something useful with <picture> or srcset?
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tantek sknebel so far nothing special because no real world examples have been documented
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KartikPrabhu sknebel: no, mf2 parsing on that topic is waiting for use-cases/implementation
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KartikPrabhu leaves to sleep; tantek can continue ;)
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb!
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sknebel morning Zegnat
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Zegnat Today is HWC day! Any plans, sknebel?
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sknebel maybe get proper indication for reply-to/bookmark-of/... implemented.
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sknebel really want to improve bookmarking for me
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sknebel yours? Webmentions?
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j4y_funabashi morning
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Loqi guten morgen
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@DirtyF @t @xtof_fr as a said in french, @staticmanapp does not go in the way of your (comments) markup, you’re totally free. Go #indieweb! (twitter.com/_/status/808970310972227585)
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Zegnat sknebel: webmentions for sure
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Zegnat And then moving on to bookmarking and checkins, though there is no way I will get it all done today.
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petermolnar it seems like ssl.com is getting desperate; I've reached the point to mark their letter spam
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cweiske :)
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petermolnar is anyone PESOSing ( this is a word from now on ) their upvotes as bookmarks from HackerNews/Reddit/whatever?
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cweiske does not vote
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cweiske on Stackoverflow I do, though
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cweiske but no, no posseing
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sknebel wouldn't upvotes be more likes, especially since HN and reddit have extra bookmark features?
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petermolnar that's fair
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sknebel but no, I don't, they are not relevant enough. Thought about the bookmarks, but if then only as initial import maybe
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sknebel (since hopefully then directly bookmarking is just as easy as doing it on the platform)
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petermolnar that is why I said PESOS
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Zegnat I don’t use those platforms actively enough to consider PESOSing it in any form
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petermolnar had anyone worked with this for parsing sites without mf2? https://github.com/mozilla/readability
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petermolnar more importantly, is anyone aware of python/php implementations of it? :)
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cweiske no. my search engine has its own dumb algorithm
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petermolnar https://github.com/buriy/python-readability I'll take a look at this one
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petermolnar this would be mostly for parsing bookmarks
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cweiske https://duckduckgo.com/?q=php+content+extractor+site%3Agithub.com&t=canonical&ia=web
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aaronpk i want to turn my mini product reviews into markup that will appear with the little stars on google... is that documented somewhere?
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aaronpk what is a review?
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Loqi h-review is the microformats2 vocabulary for marking up review posts on web sites https://indieweb.org/review
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aaronpk I *think* it's https://developers.google.com/search/docs/data-types/reviews#review-snippets but i'm not sure
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cweiske aaronpk, I did this
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cweiske http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/patriot-tab-16gb.htm
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Loqi [Christian Weiske] Patriot Tab 16GB
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cweiske https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=de&q=Patriot%20Tab%2016GB#hl=de&q=Patriot+Tab+16GB+cweiske
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cweiske shows up with 2 stars
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cweiske also on https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=de&q=Patriot%20Tab%2016GB#hl=de&q=betourt+cweiske
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aaronpk oh nice
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Zegnat HWC the Netherlands has started ^.^
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Zegnat Jeena, is HWC Göteborg on?
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tantek aaronpk you likely have to use both h-review and classic hReview
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tantek Google has supported hReview since 2009, but not sure if they're parsing h-review yet
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aaronpk yeah it looks like google is parsing hReview still, despite them not including it in their documentation anymore
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[kevinmarks] You can't upload svg to any silo as a photo, hence svgur.com
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tantek kevinmarks ah ok
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tantek so for SVG POSSEing, we have to use fallback PNGs for now
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[kevinmarks] If you post an svgur.com URL, I make a png preview for the silos
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/808912357871259648
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@kevinmarks The nice thing about building an SVG sharing site is the unexpected art http://svgshare.com/s/QF (twitter.com/_/status/808912357871259648)
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[kevinmarks] Svgur.com has the fb and twitter preview metacrap so that the png shows
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[kevinmarks] I thought I already added svg to autolink
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[kevinmarks] https://github.com/tantek/cassis/pull/21
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[kevinmarks] I need to write up the weirdness I found when filtering out script from svg
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tantek kevinmarks, any examples of using SVG for the poster image for a video?
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[kevinmarks] Not seen that
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[kevinmarks] I have some animated svgs
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aaronpk huh... why no review type on https://indieweb.org/posts#Kinds_of_Posts?
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tantek aaronpk oops! omission. add it! (how many indieweb sites are publishing?)
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[kevinmarks] Including one I nipsa'd for being too strobe like
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aaronpk there are 5 listed on https://indieweb.org/review although not all of them use review markup
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aaronpk not sure if the list of post kinds is ordered by number of implementations based on markup or by concept
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4kpCtYhP.jpg
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tantek aaronpk I think I've been using *live* publishing examples, whether there's any particular explicit markup or not
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tantek aaronpk: note that /checkin is on the list ;)
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aaronpk ah yeah
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aaronpk well then it fits somewhere in the top list
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aaronpk oh look the wikitext has comments
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[kevinmarks] I have people posting svgs with embedded base64'd jpeg ads
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tantek aaronpk yes that's my notes :)
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tantek KevinMarks yikes that's really bad fallback abuse!
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aaronpk well I used ⭐️ for review because it wasn't used for like/favorite
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tantek nice
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[kevinmarks] I used filled and empty unicode stars originally
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[kevinmarks] http://epeus.blogspot.com/2005/04/revisiting-waugh-and-armstrong.html
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@calum_ryan HWC London getting started (Christmas themed treats included) #indieweb https://twitter.com/calum_ryan/status/809095509264764928/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/809095509264764928)
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@calum_ryan @hobbsy first time attending is setting up his site tonight at HWC London #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/809101464085925888)
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M-hotzeplotz back at HWC London at last! rough plan for the evening: trying out https://github.com/myfreeweb/sweetroll : Haskell+Micropub+Git -> super interesting. currently just maxing out my laptop's cpu while GHC compiles everything...
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Zegnat M-hotzeplotz nice to har the London gang joining us!
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Zegnat sebsel and I have been working on checkins this HWC, see #indieweb-dev for discussions :)
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Zegnat I just realised I now have realised both a bookmark and a checkin post, before getting a webmention receiver live on licit.li
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calumryan Zegnat: probably our most popular yet here in London, great to have some more presence in Europe.
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calumryan Trying to get my head round Micropub implementation for my setup
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aaronpk wow the UI for amazon reviews is really good
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aaronpk great example of making it as unintimidating and easy as possible
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aaronpk progressively revealing fields as needed
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aaronpk is going to screenshot this
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Zegnat we’re wrapping up in the Netherlands. Been a productive evening.
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Zegnat we’ll remember to make a photo ;)
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Sebsel waves
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tantek aaronpk - definitely add those screenshots for creating a review post to /create
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miklb good afternoon IWC. I'm stoked for the virtual HWC tonight
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@kevinmarks Did I show you the Tufte inspired #indieweb Hugo template I made for http://www.lifewithalacrity.com ? (twitter.com/_/status/809116343505031169)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Did I show you the Tufte inspired #indieweb Hugo template I made for lifewithalacrity.com ?" by Kevin Marks on 2016-12-14 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/did-i-show-you-the-tufte-inspired-indieweb-hugo-template
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tantek nice
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tantek calumryan: London photo?
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@dietrich @lawduck @davewiner @WardCunningham @caseorganic @photomatt Choose services like @neocitiesweb, led by #indieweb folks like @kyledrake. (twitter.com/_/status/809118690016837632)
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@calum_ryan Great turnout for Xmas Homebrew Website Club London! #indieweb https://twitter.com/calum_ryan/status/809120348654419968/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/809120348654419968)
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tantek also https://twitter.com/lawduck/status/809097377307066368
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@lawduck Indie web and curation http://tinyletter.com/lawduck/letters/indie-web-and-curation (twitter.com/_/status/809097377307066368)
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tantek nice! HWC London is growing
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@kyledrake @dietrich @lawduck @davewiner @WardCunningham @caseorganic @photomatt @neocitiesweb Neocities is a silo technically: https://indieweb.org/silo (twitter.com/_/status/809121339852234752)
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@kyledrake @dietrich @lawduck @davewiner @WardCunningham @caseorganic @photomatt @neocitiesweb So not directly related to indieweb stuff! (twitter.com/_/status/809121465849167872)
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Zegnat HWC the Netherlands shrunk, with petermolnar’s absence. But we thought it important to try and keep it on the regular schedule. Still debating what to do with 12-28
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tantek Zegnat - 12-28 is a good status / stretch check for 2017-01-01 commitments
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barryf Great HWC London. Managed to get hobbsy set up with a website on GitHub Pages/Jekyll. Now wrestling with Mediawiki to get everyone on the HWC RSVP list!
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Zegnat I won’t be in the Netherlands, and I don’t think petermolnar is flying in/out around that date either. So as for regulars, only sebsel will be here
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Zegnat I might try to attend HWC Göteborg 12-28, if it is going on
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tantek barryf++
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Loqi barryf has 5 karma
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petermolnar I'm not intending to be in AMS for a while now
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petermolnar as in till mid Jan
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Zegnat Yeah, we seemed to recall you saying that, I just wasn’t going to state it as fact here
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Zegnat I will be back in the Netherlands for 01-11, so barring anything weird happening HWC the Netherlands will be on then
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aaronpk notes that the amazon reviews have a one-line summary, but not sure if this is the same as a "name"
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aaronpk especially cause if you don't type a one-line summary, an amazon staffer will add one for you
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@ChrisAldrich Perhaps an #IndieWeb itch for next year: Creating end-of-the year infographics for my own site using my own data. http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/14/goodreads-year-in-review-2016 (twitter.com/_/status/809125407765254144)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Perhaps an #IndieWeb itch for next year: Creating end-of-the year infographics for my own site using my own data. http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/14/goodreads-year-in-review-2016" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-12-14 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/perhaps-an-indieweb-itch-for-next-year-creating-end-of-the-year
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tantek aaronpk - I think there might be more analysis of amazon review in microformats.org/wiki/review-examples
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Zegnat Don’t App Store reviews do “start with a one-liner” too? It seems a pretty often used format, abstracted to: give your opinion in X characters, extend on your opinion in X words.
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aaronpk yeah except the amazon UI is reversed!
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tantek yeah http://microformats.org/wiki/review-examples#Amazon.com (from what they publish)
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Loqi review-examples
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Zegnat So Amazon asks you to write your opinion in X words and then provide a TLDR in X characters? (abstracted)
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aaronpk yeah. screenshots forthcoming.
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@kevinmarks @mozilla the work we've been doing at http://indieweb.org is part of this (twitter.com/_/status/809126328859435008)
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tantek KevinMarks: you forgot to use the #AFreeInternet hashtag!
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aaronpk hm now how do i review something that isn't in my purchase history
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aaronpk ah i have to go to the product page for it first
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tantek can you mark the "I already own one" checkbox? does that work?
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aaronpk is not familiar with that checkbox
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tantek is this in the /Amazon#How_to_POSSE write-up?
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aaronpk i have too many screenshots, it will overwhelm whatever page i put them on, so i'm making a page just for this
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M-hotzeplotz sweetroll up and running on laptop, one pull request submitted to fix a compilation error, managed to get my photo show up next to my name on indieweb.org (mediawiki seems to not like query params in the URL of profile images). time to head back home from a very productive HWC London!
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tantek aaronpk, good call
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aaronpk bam https://indieweb.org/Amazon_Reviews
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schmarty aaronpk++ great write-up!
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Loqi aaronpk has 441 karma in this channel (1151 overall)
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aaronpk now...how do I use this to influence my review UI for quill
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KevinMarks1 hm, so yout hin the title-like thing is really a p-summary not a p-name?
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Zegnat What are Amazon reviews?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/Amazon_Reviews
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Zegnat No dfn :(
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Zegnat I recall a website that would let me enter pros/cons in separate fields so they could display them better. I should probably go and find it and document it.
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gRegorLove what is amazon reviews?
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Loqi Amazon Reviews Amazon's system for product reviews https://indieweb.org/Amazon_Reviews
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gRegorLove what is amazon reviews?
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Loqi Amazon Reviews is Amazon's system for product reviews https://indieweb.org/Amazon_Reviews
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@loopdouble Off to a good start with 0.4pts of #indieweb indiemark on my way to level 1. Identity & authentication. Small steps to start the journey (twitter.com/_/status/809162271649828868)
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sknebel !tell petermolnar I think you talked about using EXIF data before, could you take a look at /image_metadata and add your thoughts?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel (everybody else of course as well, and feel free to clean up, just wanted to get stuff out of my brain before I go to sleep)
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sknebel good night!
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Loqi night
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schmarty HWC Baltimore starting up our quiet writing hour.
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GWG I'm eating before I set up for mine
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GWG The video one
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miklb GWG what time is that starting? I think I confused my calendar
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schmarty 17:30 - 18:30 (Pacific) / 20:30 - 21:30 (Eastern) according to /next-hwc
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GWG 5:30PM Pacific, 8:30 Eastern for HWC, but quiet writing hour is at 4:30/7:30
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miklb thanks
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aaronpk so uh, portland is covered in snow
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aaronpk i think i'm gonna cancel HWC tonight and join the remote one instead
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GWG aaronpk: This is why I don't get songs like Winter Wonderland and White Christmas
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aaronpk it's pretty to look at
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aaronpk i am very glad it's snowing and i am inside on my third floor apartment looking down at it
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[chrisaldrich] GWG I should be back from an errand at 4;20
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aaronpk the other pdx events tonight are cancelled too http://calagator.org/
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aaronpk this is out my window right now: https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5346/31613568596_d1759f52b4_m.jpg
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aaronpk it may not look like much but remember that portland never gets snow so nobody is prepared for this and everything turns into a giant mess when this happens
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gRegorLove 4:20... "errand," sure [chrisaldrich] ;)
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gRegorLove I understand a lot of OR doesn't use salt on the roads either
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aaronpk what's salt
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aaronpk :P
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aaronpk we only have 3 plows for all of portland