#indieweb 2016-12-14

2016-12-14 UTC
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KevinMarks1
that is a nice enhancement
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tantek
sdepolo++
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Loqi
sdepolo has 2 karma
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Loqi
nice
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schmarty
whooops, wrong room, folks. apologies.
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schmarty
getting used to having indieweb as a matrix room >_<
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tantek
!tell snarfed does Bridgy Publish do anything with a u-photo that is an SVG? does it try to send it to Twitter or FB or Flick to publish there? Thinking of trying one and seeing what happens
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KevinMarks_
Svgur makes a png for them
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KevinMarks
Hm. I wonder if I could do content negotiation with the silos
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KevinMarks
They reject the svg
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tantek
hmm looks like I'm not auto-embedding SVG in my CASSIS auto_link function. I wonder if KevinMarks already asked me to support this
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tantek
does an SVG make sense as photo post? is anyone posting SVG photos?
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tantek
PNG it is for now then, until we figure this out
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sknebel
if there isn't a distinction between photos vs images in general, I'd say it makes sense.
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KartikPrabhu
SVG photos are a weoird thing. image maybe
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cweiske
commentpara.de uses an svg image as user photo
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cweiske
s/user/author/
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tantek
cweiske great example
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cweiske
Loqi, WHY U NO sed replacements
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cweiske
this svg does not render on withknown instances :/
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tantek
are you providing a fallback PNG?
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tantek
I'm curious how to POSSE an photo SVG
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tantek
s/an/a
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sknebel
is there a clear way to provide fallbacks?
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KartikPrabhu
POSSE the URL to the SVG?
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Loqi
[Paul Lindner] Slack no more. Why you should use Riot.im and Matrix.org
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cweiske
broken image
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Loqi
[Rob Fairhead] Wish I remembered to use @withknown to POSSE my tweets , and goodness knows how to PESOS them when I don't! #indieweb #indiewebshame
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KartikPrabhu
sknebel: the <picture> or srcset markup provides fallbacks
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tantek
sknebel yes, with <object> or perhaps <picture>
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tantek
but it is not well explored IMO
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tantek
I'd like to see modern examples of SVG with PNG fallback
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tantek
especially to explore the use of the PNG in POSSE use-cases
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tantek
e.g. can you upload an SVG to Twitter as a photo?
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tantek
can you upload an SVG to Facebook as a photo post?
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tantek
can you upload an SVG to Flickr as a photo?
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: I use SVG with fallbacks, not for POSSE though since I POSSE photos which are best in JPG
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sknebel
In indieweb world, do any mf2 parsers do something useful with <picture> or srcset?
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tantek
sknebel so far nothing special because no real world examples have been documented
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KartikPrabhu
sknebel: no, mf2 parsing on that topic is waiting for use-cases/implementation
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KartikPrabhu
leaves to sleep; tantek can continue ;)
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Zegnat
Good morning IndieWeb!
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sknebel
morning Zegnat
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Zegnat
Today is HWC day! Any plans, sknebel?
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sknebel
maybe get proper indication for reply-to/bookmark-of/... implemented.
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sknebel
really want to improve bookmarking for me
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sknebel
yours? Webmentions?
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Loqi
guten morgen
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@DirtyF
@t @xtof_fr as a said in french, @staticmanapp does not go in the way of your (comments) markup, you’re totally free. Go #indieweb!
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Zegnat
sknebel: webmentions for sure
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Zegnat
And then moving on to bookmarking and checkins, though there is no way I will get it all done today.
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petermolnar
it seems like ssl.com is getting desperate; I've reached the point to mark their letter spam
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petermolnar
is anyone PESOSing ( this is a word from now on ) their upvotes as bookmarks from HackerNews/Reddit/whatever?
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cweiske
does not vote
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cweiske
on Stackoverflow I do, though
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cweiske
but no, no posseing
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sknebel
wouldn't upvotes be more likes, especially since HN and reddit have extra bookmark features?
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petermolnar
that's fair
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sknebel
but no, I don't, they are not relevant enough. Thought about the bookmarks, but if then only as initial import maybe
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sknebel
(since hopefully then directly bookmarking is just as easy as doing it on the platform)
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petermolnar
that is why I said PESOS
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Zegnat
I don’t use those platforms actively enough to consider PESOSing it in any form
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petermolnar
had anyone worked with this for parsing sites without mf2? https://github.com/mozilla/readability
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petermolnar
more importantly, is anyone aware of python/php implementations of it? :)
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cweiske
no. my search engine has its own dumb algorithm
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petermolnar
this would be mostly for parsing bookmarks
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aaronpk
i want to turn my mini product reviews into markup that will appear with the little stars on google... is that documented somewhere?
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aaronpk
what is a review?
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Loqi
h-review is the microformats2 vocabulary for marking up review posts on web sites https://indieweb.org/review
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cweiske
aaronpk, I did this
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Loqi
[Christian Weiske] Patriot Tab 16GB
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cweiske
shows up with 2 stars
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aaronpk
oh nice
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Zegnat
HWC the Netherlands has started ^.^
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Zegnat
Jeena, is HWC Göteborg on?
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tantek
aaronpk you likely have to use both h-review and classic hReview
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tantek
Google has supported hReview since 2009, but not sure if they're parsing h-review yet
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aaronpk
yeah it looks like google is parsing hReview still, despite them not including it in their documentation anymore
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[kevinmarks]
You can't upload svg to any silo as a photo, hence svgur.com
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tantek
kevinmarks ah ok
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tantek
so for SVG POSSEing, we have to use fallback PNGs for now
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[kevinmarks]
If you post an svgur.com URL, I make a png preview for the silos
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@kevinmarks
The nice thing about building an SVG sharing site is the unexpected art http://svgshare.com/s/QF
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[kevinmarks]
Svgur.com has the fb and twitter preview metacrap so that the png shows
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[kevinmarks]
I thought I already added svg to autolink
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[kevinmarks]
I need to write up the weirdness I found when filtering out script from svg
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tantek
kevinmarks, any examples of using SVG for the poster image for a video?
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[kevinmarks]
Not seen that
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[kevinmarks]
I have some animated svgs
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tantek
aaronpk oops! omission. add it! (how many indieweb sites are publishing?)
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[kevinmarks]
Including one I nipsa'd for being too strobe like
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aaronpk
there are 5 listed on https://indieweb.org/review although not all of them use review markup
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aaronpk
not sure if the list of post kinds is ordered by number of implementations based on markup or by concept
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tantek
aaronpk I think I've been using *live* publishing examples, whether there's any particular explicit markup or not
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tantek
aaronpk: note that /checkin is on the list ;)
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aaronpk
ah yeah
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aaronpk
well then it fits somewhere in the top list
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aaronpk
oh look the wikitext has comments
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[kevinmarks]
I have people posting svgs with embedded base64'd jpeg ads
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tantek
aaronpk yes that's my notes :)
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tantek
KevinMarks yikes that's really bad fallback abuse!
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aaronpk
well I used ⭐️ for review because it wasn't used for like/favorite
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[kevinmarks]
I used filled and empty unicode stars originally
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@calum_ryan
HWC London getting started (Christmas themed treats included) #indieweb https://twitter.com/calum_ryan/status/809095509264764928/photo/1
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@calum_ryan
@hobbsy first time attending is setting up his site tonight at HWC London #indieweb
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M-hotzeplotz
back at HWC London at last! rough plan for the evening: trying out https://github.com/myfreeweb/sweetroll : Haskell+Micropub+Git -> super interesting. currently just maxing out my laptop's cpu while GHC compiles everything...
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Zegnat
M-hotzeplotz nice to har the London gang joining us!
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Zegnat
sebsel and I have been working on checkins this HWC, see #indieweb-dev for discussions :)
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Zegnat
I just realised I now have realised both a bookmark and a checkin post, before getting a webmention receiver live on licit.li
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calumryan
Zegnat: probably our most popular yet here in London, great to have some more presence in Europe.
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calumryan
Trying to get my head round Micropub implementation for my setup
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aaronpk
wow the UI for amazon reviews is really good
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aaronpk
great example of making it as unintimidating and easy as possible
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aaronpk
progressively revealing fields as needed
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aaronpk
is going to screenshot this
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Zegnat
we’re wrapping up in the Netherlands. Been a productive evening.
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Zegnat
we’ll remember to make a photo ;)
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Sebsel
waves
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tantek
aaronpk - definitely add those screenshots for creating a review post to /create
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miklb
good afternoon IWC. I'm stoked for the virtual HWC tonight
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@kevinmarks
Did I show you the Tufte inspired #indieweb Hugo template I made for http://www.lifewithalacrity.com ?
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Did I show you the Tufte inspired #indieweb Hugo template I made for lifewithalacrity.com ?" by Kevin Marks on 2016-12-14 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/did-i-show-you-the-tufte-inspired-indieweb-hugo-template
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tantek
calumryan: London photo?
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@calum_ryan
Great turnout for Xmas Homebrew Website Club London! #indieweb https://twitter.com/calum_ryan/status/809120348654419968/photo/1
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tantek
nice! HWC London is growing
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Zegnat
HWC the Netherlands shrunk, with petermolnar’s absence. But we thought it important to try and keep it on the regular schedule. Still debating what to do with 12-28
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tantek
Zegnat - 12-28 is a good status / stretch check for 2017-01-01 commitments
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barryf
Great HWC London. Managed to get hobbsy set up with a website on GitHub Pages/Jekyll. Now wrestling with Mediawiki to get everyone on the HWC RSVP list!
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Zegnat
I won’t be in the Netherlands, and I don’t think petermolnar is flying in/out around that date either. So as for regulars, only sebsel will be here
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Zegnat
I might try to attend HWC Göteborg 12-28, if it is going on
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tantek
barryf++
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Loqi
barryf has 5 karma
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petermolnar
I'm not intending to be in AMS for a while now
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petermolnar
as in till mid Jan
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Zegnat
Yeah, we seemed to recall you saying that, I just wasn’t going to state it as fact here
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Zegnat
I will be back in the Netherlands for 01-11, so barring anything weird happening HWC the Netherlands will be on then
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aaronpk
notes that the amazon reviews have a one-line summary, but not sure if this is the same as a "name"
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aaronpk
especially cause if you don't type a one-line summary, an amazon staffer will add one for you
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@ChrisAldrich
Perhaps an #IndieWeb itch for next year: Creating end-of-the year infographics for my own site using my own data. http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/14/goodreads-year-in-review-2016
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Perhaps an #IndieWeb itch for next year: Creating end-of-the year infographics for my own site using my own data. http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/14/goodreads-year-in-review-2016" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-12-14 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/perhaps-an-indieweb-itch-for-next-year-creating-end-of-the-year
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tantek
aaronpk - I think there might be more analysis of amazon review in microformats.org/wiki/review-examples
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Zegnat
Don’t App Store reviews do “start with a one-liner” too? It seems a pretty often used format, abstracted to: give your opinion in X characters, extend on your opinion in X words.
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aaronpk
yeah except the amazon UI is reversed!
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Loqi
review-examples
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Zegnat
So Amazon asks you to write your opinion in X words and then provide a TLDR in X characters? (abstracted)
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aaronpk
yeah. screenshots forthcoming.
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@kevinmarks
@mozilla the work we've been doing at http://indieweb.org is part of this
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tantek
KevinMarks: you forgot to use the #AFreeInternet hashtag!
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aaronpk
hm now how do i review something that isn't in my purchase history
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aaronpk
ah i have to go to the product page for it first
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tantek
can you mark the "I already own one" checkbox? does that work?
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aaronpk
is not familiar with that checkbox
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tantek
is this in the /Amazon#How_to_POSSE write-up?
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aaronpk
i have too many screenshots, it will overwhelm whatever page i put them on, so i'm making a page just for this
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M-hotzeplotz
sweetroll up and running on laptop, one pull request submitted to fix a compilation error, managed to get my photo show up next to my name on indieweb.org (mediawiki seems to not like query params in the URL of profile images). time to head back home from a very productive HWC London!
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tantek
aaronpk, good call
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schmarty
aaronpk++ great write-up!
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Loqi
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aaronpk
now...how do I use this to influence my review UI for quill
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KevinMarks1
hm, so yout hin the title-like thing is really a p-summary not a p-name?
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Zegnat
What are Amazon reviews?
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Zegnat
No dfn :(
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Zegnat
I recall a website that would let me enter pros/cons in separate fields so they could display them better. I should probably go and find it and document it.
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gRegorLove
what is amazon reviews?
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Loqi
Amazon Reviews Amazon's system for product reviews https://indieweb.org/Amazon_Reviews
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gRegorLove
what is amazon reviews?
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Loqi
Amazon Reviews is Amazon's system for product reviews https://indieweb.org/Amazon_Reviews
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@loopdouble
Off to a good start with 0.4pts of #indieweb indiemark on my way to level 1. Identity & authentication. Small steps to start the journey
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sknebel
!tell petermolnar I think you talked about using EXIF data before, could you take a look at /image_metadata and add your thoughts?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel
(everybody else of course as well, and feel free to clean up, just wanted to get stuff out of my brain before I go to sleep)
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sknebel
good night!
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Loqi
night
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schmarty
HWC Baltimore starting up our quiet writing hour.
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GWG
I'm eating before I set up for mine
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GWG
The video one
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miklb
GWG what time is that starting? I think I confused my calendar
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schmarty
17:30 - 18:30 (Pacific) / 20:30 - 21:30 (Eastern) according to /next-hwc
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GWG
5:30PM Pacific, 8:30 Eastern for HWC, but quiet writing hour is at 4:30/7:30
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miklb
thanks
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aaronpk
so uh, portland is covered in snow
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aaronpk
i think i'm gonna cancel HWC tonight and join the remote one instead
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GWG
aaronpk: This is why I don't get songs like Winter Wonderland and White Christmas
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aaronpk
it's pretty to look at
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aaronpk
i am very glad it's snowing and i am inside on my third floor apartment looking down at it
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[chrisaldrich]
GWG I should be back from an errand at 4;20
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aaronpk
the other pdx events tonight are cancelled too http://calagator.org/
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aaronpk
it may not look like much but remember that portland never gets snow so nobody is prepared for this and everything turns into a giant mess when this happens
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gRegorLove
4:20... "errand," sure [chrisaldrich] ;)
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gRegorLove
I understand a lot of OR doesn't use salt on the roads either
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aaronpk
what's salt
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aaronpk
we only have 3 plows for all of portland