#indieweb 2016-12-27

2016-12-27 UTC
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tantek aaronpk: correct, no phone number needed. just needed to send a couple of support requests through different means, and publicly post about the idiocy of it
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tantek hence I recommend to anyone else encountering this problem doing the same
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aaronpk I'll do that next time
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tantek hmm, to auto-generate my home page "Upcoming events" box from my RSVPs, either I have to add hacks to scrape event info (date, name, location), OR I have to add nested h-event markup my RSVP posts
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KartikPrabhu nested h-event seems more appropriate
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tantek KartikPrabhu: do you know anyone else doing that already?
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KartikPrabhu hmm not really. I don't even have RSVPs
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bear it's a shame that twitter is abusing the phone number - I only added mine because it was the safest way to verify my account against hack attempts
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miklb quasi IndieWeb related https://github.com/mwichary/twitter-export-image-fill/ will grab images in tweets of the archive you can download from Twitter
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tantek KevinMarks: is @svgshare still suspended / locked?
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@dissolve333 Woo! InkStone now works with form encoded and JSON micropub posting! #indieweb (https://t.co/67jnqZv4YW) (twitter.com/_/status/813568792819273728)
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ben_thatmustbeme :)
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tantek whoa
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme++
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme has 94 karma in this channel (182 overall)
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ben_thatmustbeme The list of config options expands
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ben_thatmustbeme Lol
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tantek what is PHPMailer?
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Loqi PHPMailer is popular code for sending email from PHP, including WordPress, though renamed as class-phpmailer.php, and has a remote code execution security vulnerability per https://twitter.com/hanno/status/813309977121222656 https://indieweb.org/PHPMailer
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tantek GWG, snarfed, miklb and any other WordPress users ^^^
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tantek curious about your opinion of this one bear
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bear reads
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tantek "Details of this vulnerability will be published shortly."
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GWG Apparently the WordPress team is working on it. They'll likely have 4.7.1 out early in the New Year to address it. Sooner if forced.
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bear most folks who run PHP within the context of their web server shouldn't be impacted - but I will need to see the details before knowing for sure
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bear PHP Mail and Image handling has always been points of attack because they are the few that need to write files that are then processed by other code
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bear it's not just PHP that blindly assumes that "/bin/sendmail" exists either - but it is the one that is most often running in a lax security environment
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GWG Makes me think I should get around to delegating my email handling.
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GWG I used to do that by plugin.
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j4y_funabashi morning all
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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Zegnat Morning j4y_funabashi
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j4y_funabashi hey hows it going Zegnat?
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Zegnat Pretty good. Doing a lot of tech support, home at the parents for the holidays
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Zegnat How are you?
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j4y_funabashi I'm great, not back at work til the 9th so I'm working on my micropub client
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j4y_funabashi and playing with the lockpicking set I got for xmas :)
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j4y_funabashi I have been looking to tumblr for inspiration, I really like their posting UI
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Zegnat That sounds like what I will be doing once I am done with the tech support, j4y_funabashi!
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@Shoq .@kevinmarks & @indiewebcamp have been preparing us for the day when people want to rescue their content from these… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/813736741572116480 (twitter.com/_/status/813736741572116480)
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Ahmad Ahmad
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Ahmad Hallo. I have a question about you mediawiki installation
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Ahmad I wanted to know whether you used the prescribed method of installing the wiki on the root without the "/wiki" path, or another method? Also have you faced any issues with extensions?
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Ahmad Our wiki is https://arabdigitalexpression.org
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Ahmad By the way, we also support initiatives using Internet technologies. We're into FOSS, archives, and wikis, as well as education.
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Zegnat You’ll have to ask aaronpk about the installation of our wiki
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aaronpk Ahmad: it's been so long since i set that up, but i'm pretty sure i just found a tutorial on how to have the wiki URLs at the top level and followed it. this looks like about what we have set up https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/Nginx
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Ahmad Thanks, aaronpk. I'll try that recipe on Mediawiki's website
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Ahmad I was wondering if you figured something different. Thanks
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sebsel I now have this problem: I reread an article and although I already read it, I really like it, so I want to like it on my blog. But since I reread it, I'm not sure wether or not I already liked it
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sebsel That's another thing silo's do: keeping track of what you already liked
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sebsel So I need search after all :)
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Zegnat Good one. Is it possible to like something multiple times?
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jaduncan It looks like a new install of Known only offers to do POSSE via Convoy, a $50 a year paid service. Am I missing something here?
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jaduncan (ie: is there really no self-hosted way to do this that can be exposed in the Known UI)
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Zegnat That’s the first time I hear of that, jaduncan
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jaduncan Screenshot to follow. It made me wince in an OSS project.
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aaronpk I thought there was a plugin you can install to do the syndication locally
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aaronpk you'd have to register your own API keys on each service of course
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Zegnat It makes sense, even for an OSS project, to offload syndication. Those are a lot of APIs you have to keep up-to-date on with your small team
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aaronpk I think they did the Convoy thing to make it easier for people to get started with it
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jaduncan Yeah, the language suggests that.
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Zegnat It looks like POSSE’ing is available through different plugins. E.g. https://github.com/idno/Twitter for Twitter
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jaduncan "Sign up with Convoy Convoy allows you to syndicate your content to social media without the need to set up complicated APIs on your own server. Connect to Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, Flickr and more - instantly. Get started"
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aaronpk Otherwise the instructions are "go here and sign up as a developer then register an app then copy and paste the API keys etc etc"
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jaduncan There's no link to the plugin or explicit statement that one can be used though.
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jaduncan There's no link to the plugin or explicit statement that one can be used though.
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aaronpk not exactly user friendly
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aaronpk I can't actually remember whether it's a plugin or what, maybe ask in #knownchat
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Zegnat On https://withknown.com/opensource/ (where you go for your download in the first place) there is the text “Plugins and themes are available on GitHub for functionality like syndication to third-party sites.”
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Zegnat Pretty clear IMHO
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Zegnat That will link to places like https://github.com/idno/Twitter and https://github.com/idno/Facebook for POSSE support
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jaduncan Oops. My apology for having missed that, I didn't mean to waste people's time.
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jaduncan They are promoted back to being A+ good guys in my book then. :)
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Zegnat Maybe not clear to mom’n’pop users, but the info is there :)
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aaronpk i'm updating the indieweb server. hold on to your hats!
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ben_thatmustbeme http://giphy.com/gifs/samuel-l-jackson-jurassic-park-hold-onto-your-butts-OCu7zWojqFA1W
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aaronpk that was messy
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aaronpk okay one more restart
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chrisaldrich jaduncan: One thing you're likely to run across (unless it got fixed since) is disabling Convoy to do syndication yourself, see also: http://stream.boffosocko.com/content/all/?q=convoy If you search around on my site, you'll likely find a response from Ben about their reasoning behind Convoy as well as other Known tips.
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tantek just noticed an interesting effect in the new IG client (not sure how long it's been doing this) - when you post a comment, it immediately shows it posted, in greyish text, and then the text quickly fades to black once it has *actually* posted (server ack), at least according to the "network activity" indicator being active.
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tantek I like that aspect of it being displayed in the comment thread immediately (i.e. the text entry box / modal is dismissed and out of my way), and yet its posting status is subtly indicated asynchronously.
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tantek Now only if they had some way of recovering / re-trying when posting fails (whether a photo, a comment, etc.)
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[kevinmarks] Twitter app does that too
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[kevinmarks] But also will wedge sometimes, losing the comment
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@andrey_sitnik Хорошие слайды от @marinintim, почему IndieWeb — очень важная идея http://marinin.xyz/slides/indieweb/ https://twitter.com/andrey_sitnik/status/813821795388260353/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/813821795388260353)
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@andreysitnik Good presentation by @marinintim about IndieWeb, very important idea of Web’s future http://marinin.xyz/slides/indieweb/ https://twitter.com/andreysitnik/status/813821824115101697/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/813821824115101697)
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@marinintim @andreysitnik there is an English version http://marinin.xyz/slides/indieweb/index-en.html (twitter.com/_/status/813823725569187840)
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@andreysitnik Good presentation by @marinintim about IndieWeb, very important idea of Web’s future http://marinin.xyz/slides/indieweb/index-en.html https://twitter.com/andreysitnik/status/813824305700208640/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/813824305700208640)
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tantek !tell KartikPrabhu have you gotten very far with your citation brainstorming for citing journal articles (presumably could also be used to cite magazine articles)? I'm about to post a /read post for several articles in an issue of Scientific American and wanted to see your work in progress first for ideas.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek (also the whole posting /read posts about publications "in the future", e.g. magazines with a "January/February 2017" issue date)
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@joshsimmons @AdamSinger @mwichary LOL right, or those moving to GnuSocial or similar ?It's not uncommon among the free software and indieweb crowds. (twitter.com/_/status/813844387583008768)
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KevinMarks https://twitter.com/mwichary/status/813484569554874369
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@mwichary Your tweet archive from Twitter doesn’t contain your images. I wrote a script that downloads all images locally.… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/813484569554874369 (twitter.com/_/status/813484569554874369)
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tantek interesting thread there about free software and indieweb crowds
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tantek tempted to reply with plenty more reasons why: indieweb.org/why which may or may not apply to you. there's also an aspect of freedom & fun that's hard to describe.
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KevinMarks Right. But also it's not about leaving Twitter entirely.
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KevinMarks But making twitter part of a broader presence
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petermolnar !tell adaction https://adactio.com/journal/1121/ "Sorry. It looks like the network connection isn’t working right now." ?!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [Jeremy Keith] Print stylesheets
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petermolnar oh
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petermolnar Loqi fixed it
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aaronpk what is pinned?
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Loqi pin or pinning is a feature that allows the author to choose a post to put at the top of their profile (or homepage) which is then called a pinned or sticky post https://indieweb.org/pinned
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tantek petermolnar: I don't think Loqi fixed adaction
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petermolnar tantek I thought so, it was just a timing coinsidence :)
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aaronpk what is sticky?
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Loqi pin or pinning is a feature that allows the author to choose a post to put at the top of their profile (or homepage) which is then called a pinned or sticky post https://indieweb.org/sticky
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KevinMarks database-antipattern << https://dev.to/kellogh/sql-is-insecure
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Loqi ok, I added "https://dev.to/kellogh/sql-is-insecure" to the "See Also" section of /database-antipattern
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tantek petermolnar: I mean the !tell won't ever reach him
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petermolnar oh
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petermolnar that's fair
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petermolnar stupid typo
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tantek KevinMarks: wow that's a pretty convincing article. SQL is bad from a dev usability vs. vuln creation risk perspective. totally makes sense.
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tantek it's like, if you use SQL in a project, you’re setting it up for a jr dev to introduce SQL injection vulns in the future.
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[kevinmarks] Right, and the idea that read and write paths are easily mixed up too.
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tantek what is reading?
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Loqi To read or reading is the act of viewing and interpreting posts or other documents; on the IndieWeb, a read post expresses that something has been read, like a book or section thereof https://indieweb.org/reading
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tantek alright no examples of magazines or periodicals / journals in general
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tantek so I guess I’ll make something up
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[kevinmarks] Good reads would be a silo example
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aaronpk what is goodreads?
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Loqi Goodreads is a silo for keeping track of books, reviews, and reading progress https://indieweb.org/Goodreads
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tantek kevinmarks, you're going to have to provide a more precise citation to a magazine / periodical "read" example
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tantek typical goodreads usage is books, not periodicals
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tantek so no
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tantek note all Goodreads examples documented are books: https://indieweb.org/reading#Silo_Examples - feel free to add a periodical example if you truly believe that
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tantek and hey, the paper version has different article names than the online version. great
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tantek I'm guessing those different article names are different people's jobs
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tantek spot the auto-slug bug: "/some-people-rsquo-s-brains-are-wired-for-languages/"
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aaronpk heh
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tantek wow found a URL for every print article I read
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tantek js;dr proof and everything
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aaronpk anyone know off-hand if facebook or twitter let you "pin" more than one post?
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tantek oh wow that took a long time for Webmention endpoint discovery
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tantek hmm
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tantek aaronpk: never seen more than one in either
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tantek well, per person/page/group anyway
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tantek e.g. we can pin on our profile pages, or on any page we admin for
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aaronpk right
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aaronpk k that matches my anecdotal evidence
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tantek alright, real word periodical "read" example coming right up
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tantek dang this long list of nerdy sounding articles looks kinda humblebraggish
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tantek oh well WTH
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tantek let's see how Loqi interprets it: http://tantek.com/2016/362/t2/read-scientific-american-mind-hardcopy
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] ? read pages 1-38 of “Scientific American Mind” January/February 2017 #hardcopy on flight to SFO, including: https://www.scientificamerican.com/magazine/mind/2017/01-01/ * Head Lines * So You Want To Learn Another Language https://www.scienti...
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tantek ooh that's a pretty harsh truncation
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tantek !tell KartikPrabhu another citation example in an actual use-case for consideration in your brainstorming: http://tantek.com/2016/362/t2/read-scientific-american-mind-hardcopy
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] ? read pages 1-38 of “Scientific American Mind” January/February 2017 #hardcopy on flight to SFO, including: https://www.scientificamerican.com/magazine/mind/2017/01-01/ * Head Lines * So You Want To Learn Another Language https://www.scienti...
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KartikPrabhu cool
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Loqi KartikPrabhu: tantek left you a message 4 hours, 24 minutes ago: have you gotten very far with your citation brainstorming for citing journal articles (presumably could also be used to cite magazine articles)? I'm about to post a /read post for several articles in an issue of Scientific American and wanted to see your work in progress first for ideas.
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aaronpk huh, facebook pinned posts only show up on the group page, not when you're looking at the group from your sidebar link
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KartikPrabhu tantek: oh sorry no, haven't worked on it a lot
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tantek KartikPrabhu: I make no guarantee as to suitability or good design, just a rough attempt to explore the space
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KartikPrabhu yeah that is also good
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KartikPrabhu I have many personal examples here: https://kartikprabhu.com/papers
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tantek it's like: gather examples. no examples? make real world examples. repeat.
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KevinMarks Hm, I did have a magazine subscription on Amazon, let's see if good reads understands it