#indieweb 2016-12-28

2016-12-28 UTC
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@DotProto @gr2m Here's the POSSE thing I was mentioning earlier https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/813899411935744001)
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KevinMarks Kindle is not good at publication citation https://kindle.amazon.com/post/7Ipb3BPwQF6Tislah_rlKg
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KevinMarks https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/813899342411104256
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@kevinmarks 188 years ago "An out-of-touch Westminster elite, we said, was speaking a different language to the rest of Lo... https://kindle.amazon.com/post/7Ipb3BPwQF6Tislah_rlKg (twitter.com/_/status/813899342411104256)
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KevinMarks So not really a read example
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chrisaldrich2 tantek: I'm still in the midst of building/refining some read flow, but I'm archiving most online article feeds as http://boffosocko.com/kind/read/?type=status?type=link. I hadn't considered indicating whether or not I read an article as a hardcopy and typically link to the URL version.
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chrisaldrich2 I've been trying to scrape the entire article as a means of archiving it at the time it was read, but then providing a link and auto redirect after a second or so to the original article. (This last part is off while I'm doing some troubleshooting at the moment)
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chrisaldrich2 I do like the idea of taking into account hardcopies of physical magazines/journals as I still read a lot that way.
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chrisaldrich2 I've been tinkering at a lot of this for the past couple of weeks so that I can attempt to "own" all of my online/magazine/book reads for 2017 and hopefully have some useful metadata at the end of the year as a result.
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chrisaldrich2 sometime in the next week I hope to have more of it documented as well.
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GWG Chrisaldrich, for your information, after the next location update, I will be doing some maintenance on Post Kinds
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GWG Chrisaldrich, after I finish the Simple Location work, I will likely be working on Post Kinds maintenance
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chrisaldrich2 Evening GWG!
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chrisaldrich2 Sorry I missed you the other night. I had looked at simple location ages ago briefly, but had never dug into the code. How's that going?
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GWG Chrisaldrich, I am completely redoing the functionality. I was going to ask if when I am reasonably happy, if you might be willing to test it
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chrisaldrich2 I've spun up a few test sites in the last week for testing various things, and one of them already has simple location's name on it. Just tell me when.
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chrisaldrich2 that reminds me I still have a few days on my 2017 commitment... but I've been having too much fun working on owning my /read data...
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GWG I have so much I would like to do.
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GWG I was looking at Google's timeline feature. Makes me want to do some more trip reports.
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chrisaldrich2 I've been noticing google's timeline feature more lately as it sends me notifications to verify some places. I know it's there, but I don't go back to look at it very often however....
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GWG It has updated trips I took in 2013
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GWG Makes me want to write up old trip reports.
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GWG I already started on Poland 1999
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chrisaldrich2 It could be a cool reason to have a theme like https://wordpress.org/themes/hexa/ or at least a theme with a design similar to it...
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Loqi [Automattic] Hexa
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GWG https://david.shanske.com/1999/04/10/march-of-the-living-part-1/
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Loqi [David Shanske] March of the Living Part 1: The Flight and Setup
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GWG I want to do more antique life logging
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GWG I thought about making an entry for my birth.
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chrisaldrich2 Kind of like Facebook's timeline functionality?
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chrisaldrich2 I keep meaning to use the tag: resume on posts that should be compiled onto my resume ultimately...
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aaronpk Interesting. What kinds of posts would you want in your resume?
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GWG Chrisaldrich, sort of, except I would curate it.
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GWG I'm curious about that myself, Chrisaldrich
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chrisaldrich2 some posts with either interesting writing, work related things, awards, etc. could be tagged resume so that they're easier to remember to put onto it later. Though I could see doing something like GWG's suggesting with additional curation
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GWG It is as much for me as anyone else...like scrapbooking
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chrisaldrich2 Or perhaps additional hidden fields within a post that could be displayed in an archive-type of view that could be made to be resume-ish.
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GWG Although I like the idea of my date of birth being an easter egg on my site.
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chrisaldrich2 One could also have a thought-resume of things that have been most influential in forming one's particular mode of thinking throughout a lifetime...
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GWG Chrisaldrich, intriguing
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chrisaldrich2 /read /watch posts, etc... might make going through the prior year's posts more interesting to make a sort of personal year-in-review exercise as well.
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GWG Chrisaldrich, I definitely need to do more posting
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chrisaldrich2 also when one has thousands of posts, where is a new reader going to be pointed to? Lots of old seemingly mundane posts, or the best-of-the-best in some sense.
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GWG If I added a bunch of classic content, I'd likely do a summary post.
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chrisaldrich2 Lately, I've been posting everything I read online, but that doesn't mean I actually enjoyed or appreciated it all, much less recommend it all.
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GWG Chrisaldrich, that was my problem.
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KartikPrabhu what is timeline?
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Loqi The timeline briefly documents key IndieWeb terms/ideas/concepts, implementations, specifications, and other achievements; people involved, and dates/URLs for each https://indieweb.org/timeline
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KartikPrabhu hmm
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chrisaldrich2 I've been trying to figure out a way to indicate what I'd recommend as most worthwhile...
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GWG I tried to do that with like vs bookmark
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chrisaldrich2 GWG: that kind of gets me into the territory of multi-kinds... though I suppose I could always add additional microformats to a single post for some of the metadata
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GWG Chrisaldrich, multikind is a project I am not sure I am ready to build
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chrisaldrich2 but post-kinds doesn't make doing that easy. There's the "display it this way" portion and then there's the here's the wider semantics of what the post is about in a broader sense. I could have bookmarked it, later read it, and then further favorited/liked it.....
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GWG Theoretically that would be three posts.
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chrisaldrich2 That's possible too...
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chrisaldrich2 alright... time for dinner/family time.
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chrisaldrich2 catch everyone later
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GWG I'll be here. At a concert
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miklb what is multikind?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "multikind" yet. Would you like to create it?
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GWG multikind is allowing multiple post kinds on the same post.
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Loqi ok
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GWG So, liking and bookmarking
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miklb gotcha
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GWG I don't allow that in my implementation, but it is a feature request.
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KartikPrabhu are there any examples of multikind?
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GWG KartikPrabhu, acegiak was the requestor, not sure
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GWG I prefer to make each a separate post.
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GWG Which is more common, so I built it that way
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KartikPrabhu it is weird to start a page on the wiki for something that most likely does not exist
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GWG KartikPrabhu, it could be redirected to a section on the types of posts page
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miklb If I'm showing excerpts on a home page, would it better to mark them up as p-summary or e-content (or do I need to read more about both in mf2)?
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GWG summary
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miklb thanks, I just check the mf wiki and that's what I figured
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tantek chrisaldrich: nice to know about others considering /read posts for other physical media!
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tantek !tell chrisaldrich definitely add any /read examples (with permalinks please) you have, no matter how rough, or plain text etc. to: https://indieweb.org/read#Chris_Aldrich
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [indieweb] "Homebrew Website Club Meetup | December 28, 2016" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-12-28 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/homebrew-website-club-meetup-december-28-2016
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Loqi [indieweb] "Want to learn more about the #IndieWeb? Patient, helpful people are here to help you in LA http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/homebrew-website-club-meetup-december-28-2016" by Chris Aldrich on 2016-12-28 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/want-to-learn-more-about-the-indieweb-patient-helpful-people
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@ChrisAldrich Want to learn more about the #IndieWeb? Patient, helpful people are here to help you in LA http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/homebrew-website-club-meetup-december-28-2016 (twitter.com/_/status/814008585659289600)
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Loqi [indieweb] "ix mag etwas auf aaronparecki.com" by ix@wirres.net (felix schwenzel) on 2016-12-28 http://wirres.net/article/articleview/10455/1/0/
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Zegnat GWG, re: classic content, there are some great Facebook examples of this. TheBritishMonarchy on Facebook goes back to at least The Queen's Coronation in 1953, with pictures and everything.
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@Runjuuu mark http://marinin.xyz/slides/indieweb/index-en.html (twitter.com/_/status/814053887518732288)
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indiescripter Good evening (9.30pm here in Adelaide South Australia)
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indiescripter Guess my timezone too skewed to find anyone around
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@indiescripter @indiewebcamp Starting to feel as an indieweb newbie that I don't get it. Still seems all silo-centric. Also my AU timezone no good with IRC (twitter.com/_/status/814067059860455424)
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@indiescripter @indiewebcamp Seems so lonely to be an indiewebber from DownUnder (twitter.com/_/status/814067417382912000)
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aaronpk woohoo! just launched pinned posts!
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Loqi :D
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GWG Yay!
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dansup nice :)
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@ChrisAldrich @indiescripter Many of us read the chat logs every day even when we're not active https://chat.indieweb.org/2016-12-27 (twitter.com/_/status/814151605121646593)
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snarfed happy birthday aaronpk! (and congrats!)
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aaronpk thanks!
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PFMurph happy birthday man!
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@100daysindieweb Day 8: Pinned Posts #100DaysOfIndieWeb: https://aaronparecki.com/2016/12/28/3/day-8-pinned-posts (twitter.com/_/status/814155663207120896)
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aaronpk omg twitter
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aaronpk https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2016-12-28-09-11-52.png
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[mobitar] I don’t know you yet, but happy birthday :slightly_smiling_face:
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aaronpk :) thanks
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GWG On the 8th day of Indieweb aaronpk gave to us....
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KevinMarks An indieweb birthday balloons feature?
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Zegnat That would be a pretty fun browser extension. Parse h-card for bday, if the bday is today show balloons!
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aaronpk ha!
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snarfed that'd be fun! reminds me of https://snarfed.org/2014-03-10_lets-talk-userscript
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Loqi [Ryan Barrett] Let’s Talk userscript
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aaronpk stretch goal! now my home page has balloons
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@aaronpk @indiescripter @indiewebcamp hm, what do you mean "silo-centric"? We often replicate silo UX on our own sites, and… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/814165881890734081 (twitter.com/_/status/814165881890734081)
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aaronpk well that was fun
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KevinMarks ?
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aaronpk i used data URIs to embed the gifs in the JS
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@100daysindieweb Day 8 part 2: Birthday Balloons #100DaysOfIndieWeb https://aaronparecki.com/2016/12/28/5/birthday-balloons https://twitter.com/100daysindieweb/status/814169990748250112/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/814169990748250112)
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@artlung Continued death of #indieweb - all @LiveJournal feeds I subscribe to via RSS (/data/atom/) throwing 503 errors for… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/814172065242587136 (twitter.com/_/status/814172065242587136)
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aaronpk wait what, why is that "death of #indieweb"
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sebsel aaronpk lol for the balloons and happy birthday to you! :D
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StatelessCat help
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@kevinmarks @arthur_affect a silo like @LiveJournal getting sloppy with sidefiles isn't an #indieweb problem (twitter.com/_/status/814177941693177856)
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@davidmead @artlung @LiveJournal Not sure that counts as part of the #IndieWeb, let alone it’s death @artlung ? in reply to:… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/814178661763051520 (twitter.com/_/status/814178661763051520)
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@artlung @davidmead Do we not count being able to remix Atom feeds from external services as #indieweb? Sorry for the definitional error if so. (twitter.com/_/status/814179053557071872)
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@artlung @davidmead well clearly neither of us are pure #indieweb since we're on the RSS-killing and closed @twitter as our conversation hub. :-) (twitter.com/_/status/814181443081408512)
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@artlung @davidmead But purity never interested me anyway - I value user empowerment and mobility to publish - as much as is practical. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/814181711776923648)
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@kevinmarks @artlung Indieweb isn't about purity, it is about user experience and control. See https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/814182848668135424)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Indieweb isn't about purity, it is about user experience and control. See https://indieweb.org/POSSE" by Kevin Marks on 2016-12-28 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/indieweb-isnt-about-purity-it-is-about-user-experience-and
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tantek that's a good summary KevinMarks
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tantek also, how come no-one pointed out that *.livejournal.com are silo accounts as well? because you don't own your domain
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tantek what is livejournal
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Loqi LiveJournal is a declining blogging silo https://indieweb.org/LiveJournal
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tantek yeah
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KevinMarks I said silo in my first response
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tantek kevinmarks, in what thread? I don't see any response from you that mentions silo in any replies from the top: https://twitter.com/artlung/status/814172065242587136
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@artlung Continued death of #indieweb - all @LiveJournal feeds I subscribe to via RSS (/data/atom/) throwing 503 errors for… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/814172065242587136 (twitter.com/_/status/814172065242587136)
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davidmead I think kevinmarks replied to the wrong person
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tantek davidmead, well done with pointing out your reply came from your own site
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tantek with permashortlink
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davidmead oooh yeah tantek ;-)
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tantek kevinmarks, it would strengthen your replies about POSSE were themselves clearly POSSEd
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tantek were *they themselves
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tantek this is why permashortlinks matter - to make POSSEing *obvious* to the casual observer of a thread, even if it takes a nudge to point out the permashortlink as evidence
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tantek davidmead++ for doing what he is saying
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Loqi davidmead has 3 karma
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KevinMarks Lol. You know why? I replied in twitter and autocorrect changed his handle
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tantek KevinMarks: sounds like a problem with the UI you used that was not the UI of your own site
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tantek seems fitting punishment ;)
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davidmead lol. gotta love that helper tech kevinmarks
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tantek davidmead, as you're diligently owning your notes and replies, consider adding yourself to https://indieweb.org/ownyourdata#IndieWeb_Examples (note the "high bar" conditions therein, I think it looks like you're there or almost there)
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davidmead that’s a pretty high bar tantek
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@kevinmarks @artlung a silo like @LiveJournal getting sloppy with sidefiles isn't an #indieweb problem (twitter.com/_/status/814185385987182592)
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Loqi [indieweb] "a silo like @LiveJournal getting sloppy with sidefiles isn't an #indieweb problem" by Kevin Marks on 2016-12-28 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/a-silo-like-livejournal-getting-sloppy-with-sidefiles-isnt-an
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tantek davidmead, you can do it, you're almost there
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tantek lol at "sloppy with sidefiles"
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tantek tries web searches
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tantek hmm no indieweb results in first 3 google search pages
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KevinMarks What is a sidefile?
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Loqi The sidefile-antipattern is a violation of the DRY principle by the use of secondary files (typically in some one-off XML format) to provide information that is a duplicate of information available in primary files on a website (in HTML), and is an antipattern due to typical DRY violation problems such as out-of-date, missing, corrupted, or outright false data https://indieweb.org/sidefile
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tantek however, searching for sidefile (singular) brings up the third result https://indieweb.org/sidefile-antipattern
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@artlung @kevinmarks Indeed. The decay of silos highlights the raison d'être of #indieweb; silos are poor purveyors of publishing openness. (twitter.com/_/status/814186475117944832)
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tantek google trying to be overclever about singular vs plural results
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KevinMarks Is schemas json ld an inline sidefile?
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tantek that sounds like an oxymoron
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tantek no such thing as "inline side-*"
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tantek obv
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KevinMarks sidefile << webfinger
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Loqi ok, I added "webfinger" to the "See Also" section of /sidefile
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tantek schema's JSONLD is an in-document DRY violation
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tantek sidefiles is just one form of DRY violation
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KevinMarks Oops, missed the /
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tantek wouldn't have helped, the See Also shortcut doesn't parse wiki-relative refs like that
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tantek you have to use [[webfinger]]
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tantek etc.
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tantek davidmead, in https://indieweb.org/2017-01-01-commitments#David_Mead you mention plugins, which is a great self-reliance / invisible reliability/longevity goal. However, consider making an /ownyourdata goal for yourself too, since you're *so close* to doing it.
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davidmead I think its finding a good system to work on mobile that I need sort out tantek. that’ll make the /ownyourdata goal achievable for me.
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sl007 aaronpk - FYI https://spresso.me - was just presented in the talk "On the Security and Privacy of Modern Single Sign-On in the Web" at #33c3 - video should be avail. soon
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GWG davidmead, good luck
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tantek davidmead, I have not found a good system to work on mobile. I have instead sacrificed posting from mobile. for nearly 7 years now.
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KevinMarks I think that is it, though given that twitter's Android app has been losing replies recently, my Silona sent could go down
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tantek I realize that's not reasonable to expect that of everyone, but it has made me more thoughtful and deliberate about each and every post.
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KevinMarks Also my autocorrect needs slapping
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tantek lololol
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KevinMarks s/Silona sent/silo use/
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davidmead not the encouragment i need to hear tantek ;-)
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tantek davidmead, just being up front about what's taken to do so since 2010-01-01
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tantek it was an unintentional stumbling (back) into "slow blogging" as it were, from the rapid pace mobile-based back/forth
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tantek (not my term, I think I heard that somewhere else previously)
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GWG davidmead, ben_thatmustbeme's Micropub client is promising
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davidmead ah yes…tantek http://theslowweb.com/
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davidmead oh yeah GWG? i’ll take a look
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ben_thatmustbeme what is inkstone?
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Loqi InkStone (formerly MobilePub) is a web app for posting various items to your website using micropub https://indieweb.org/inkstone
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davidmead been thinking of adding hashtags to the start of posts. that way they get included in tweets instead of being cut off from longer ones with the permashort link. opinions?
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tantek davidmead, excellent thinking and general area of challenge. there has been some previous thinking / experimenting on this.
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aaronpk my previous posting interface would trim my tweet text to fit the hashtags at the end. trying to find a screenshot
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tantek as you imply, specifically in how it impacts truncation of posts for POSSEing
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tantek aaronpk: wait, p3k no longer does that?
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tantek I sorta thought that was a separable function / library
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aaronpk well it was part of the inline p3k posting interface, which I dropped in the 2016 rebuild
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tantek looks for a write-up
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aaronpk now I only post from quill
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aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/2012/09/09/6/indieweb
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Demo post (for @indiewebcampUK) -- demonstrating my posting UI. After the text gets too long it truncates automatically and adds a citation link. Hashtags are preserved. #indieweb... https://aaronparecki.com/2012/09/09/6/indieweb-posting-ui.png
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davidmead I think i had something similar set up when I was using Known aaronpk, but WP doesn’t do that
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tantek captured briefly here https://indieweb.org/Twitter#POSSE_to_Twitter_in_general
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tantek "3. include hashtags as part of that abbreviated content (even if they're beyond the ellipsis horizon) to increase syndication based discovery/searchability of your content "
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tantek hmm, I have a PESETAS question. how easy is it to setup a twitter account that all it does is auto-post from a public IG?
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tantek I feel like there should be enough indieweb building blocks to make that happen
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tantek ownyourgram + silo.pub?
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aaronpk i think so!
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aaronpk hm, i built it to work with your own micropub endpoint in the middle, but it might just work signing in to ownyourgram as a silo.pub user
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tantek Why does it seem like nearly every post I have to figure out some new(ish) indieweb(like) problem first before I post
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tantek I don't really think I'm overthinking things but maybe I am?
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tantek (notwithstanding asking that question itself)
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tantek also I'm figuring ownyourgram+silopub is better than IFTTT
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tantek but maybe I'll try both and find out?
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tantek I'm now treating creating new twitter accounts as cheap name registration, like DNS but on a silo, just to be able to @-name reference something instead of eating 23 chars with a domain name
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davidmead I create an twitter photo entry using IFTTT everytime I post on Instagram tantek. Downside is I have to add the syndicate link for it back on my blog manually
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tantek davidmead interesting!
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tantek did you IFTTT need access to your instagram? or was it able to just do it automatically from your public posts?
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davidmead let me check tantek. here’s one that just posted https://twitter.com/davidmead/status/814196516483112964
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@davidmead Buttery swirls #instagram #nom https://www.instagram.com/p/BOkrkTYAPZy/ https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0ybanFXAAAW5Z-.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/814196516483112964)
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davidmead here’s the IFTTT applet https://ifttt.com/applets/30531489d-share-your-instagram-pics-as-native-twitter-photos
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@adactio @jmmcduffie Great question! Step one is having your own domain. From there: http://indieweb.org/Getting_Started Ask for help: https://indieweb.org/irc (twitter.com/_/status/814200381211283456)
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davidmead you use your instagram account
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tantek so you still have to auth-in with your IG account?
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tantek seems like that would/should be unnecessary if it's a public IG
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tantek though perhaps that's deliberate design to avoid content "re-appropriation" ?
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tantek or perhaps by authing in you can do it more real-time like? or the API requires it?
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davidmead possibly
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davidmead it’s almost instantaneous
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davidmead in fact, sometimes, that works and ownyourgram doesn't
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tantek huh
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aaronpk oh davidmead did you see i added an interface in ownyourgram to post individual photos if it misses one for some rason?
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davidmead i didn’t aaronpk, but i know we talked about it. i’ll go check it out now
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davidmead :-)
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tantek whoa the logged out home page of Twitter looks like a 1990s era web portal!
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tantek when did that happen?!?
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tantek except when you start to scroll it morphs in a pinterest like layout
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tantek of popular tweets with photos and link-previews and such
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tantek so weird
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davidmead aaronpk - logged in and instantly saw the ‘post’ and ‘post again’ buttons. that’s great! worked a treat. thx
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aaronpk awesome!
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aaronpk very strange that it skipped some for you though. did you happen to have posted a whole bunch of photos in a row or something? I think it only sees the last 20
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davidmead and i’ve broken it
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davidmead https://www.dropbox.com/s/a95qmlfiiautb0m/Screenshot%202016-12-28%2015.17.51.png?dl=0 aaronpk
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aaronpk oh dear
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davidmead sorry
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@davidmead #indieweb Trying out @textexpander (thx @hotdogsladies) for quickly adding ‘u-in-reply-to’ to blog posts. Works... http://djm.click/blog/b/2wS (twitter.com/_/status/814205016068288520)
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tantek weird that twitter suggests number suffixed account names when a number suffix is unnecessary
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davidmead you can tell i have the week off work can’t you :-)
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tantek I feel like I could do 100 days of silos gonna silo just blogging about dumb things silos do
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tantek WTF - I did *nothing* and Twitter locked the new account
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tantek amazing
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tantek so stupid of them
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aaronpk part of their new anti-troll prevention
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tantek literally just walked away to take care of something in the other room for a minute, came back, and the "Your account has been locked." screen was showing
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davidmead question ben_thatmustbeme - if i were to use inkstone to post to my blog, how do i syndicate it to the silos (twitter, et al)? does the blog have to do that?
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aaronpk i'd be curious to see if they do that to a new account from a brand new un-cookied browser. i wonder if they recognize that browser was previously used on other twitter accounts
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tantek "Your account appears to have exhibited automated behavior..." uh, no, there was literally no "behavior" other than the manual step of signing-up, searching for and following *one* account as part of the sign-up flow, and then confirming the account via the email they sent.
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tantek then all I had to do was wait a few minutes and it reloaded into the locked screen
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tantek aaronpk, good q, I could try that from a private browsing session too to see what happens
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tantek if they're doing that, they're likely checking from-IP also
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tantek I didn't even post a single tweet
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tantek or follow anyone else
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aaronpk i'm sure this is just part of their attempt to stop one-off troll accounts
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tantek guilty until proven innocent? sounds like a silo tactic, similar to how they rel-nofollow all links from content
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tantek which is just guilty until .. well I guess just guilty, no appeal
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ben_thatmustbeme davidmead: yes, thats all on the blog's end, basically the micropub endpoint just gives a list of syndicate-to options, those are presented in inkstone's UI and then whichever options selected are sent with the post request
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ben_thatmustbeme davidmead: what are you using for your site right now?
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GWG I have a plan for adding support for that
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davidmead WordPress
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ben_thatmustbeme ahh
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tantek gah I don't have time to deal with Twitter being dumb at the moment, going to have to post about this later
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tantek KevinMarks: did you ever get @svgshare unlocked?
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tantek also - did you ever post about svgshare getting locked as I suggested earlier?
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tantek we should document all these errant instances of Twitter over-aggressively locking accounts
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Loqi yea
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GWG davidmead, the Bridgy Publish plugin should in future register itself as a target
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davidmead cool GWG
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KevinMarks I posted on twitter, and yes it is now unlocked
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KevinMarks Do they now lock by default if you don't give them a phone number?
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tantek permalink to your post? and time between post and unlocking?
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tantek it appears that not giving them a phone number may lock an account
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KevinMarks I also sent a support ticket and replied to that email, and tweeted that
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Loqi [indieweb] "I made a couple bookmarklets awhile back that you might find helpful as well: http://techlifeweb.com/bookmarklets-for-indieweb-favorites-and-retweets/ reply to &#60;a class=&#8221;u-in-reply-to&#8221; href=&#8221;http://davidjohnmead.com/blog/2016/12/28/10586/&#8221;&#62;David John Mead&#60;/a&#62;" by Scott Kingery on 2016-12-28 http://techlifeweb.com/15100-2/
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KevinMarks https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/813551438454353920
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@kevinmarks It's more than a little broken when @Support automatically accuses me of automated behaviour for tweeting once. Rea… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/813551438454353920 (twitter.com/_/status/813551438454353920)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Bookmarklets for #Indieweb Favorites and Retweets by TechLifeWeb" by TechLifeWeb on 2016-12-28 http://techlifeweb.com/bookmarklets-for-indieweb-favorites-and-retweets/#comment-123502
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tantek KevinMarks, we should document our emails to support too
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cweiske .
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cweiske thinks there should be a better way to get the list of !tells
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KartikPrabhu Loqi messages?
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KartikPrabhu cweiske: I usually ask that ^ :)
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KartikPrabhu Loqi what happened to my +v?
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[dariusdunlap] Year end goals update: Server upgraded to Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, Wordpress Upgraded, PHP7 enabled, Nginx updated, and server certs and keys moved to Let’s Encrypt. Qualsys SSL report rating A+ (which I had before… including HSTS).
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[dariusdunlap] Ok, now to get outside for some sunshine. :slightly_smiling_face:
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GWG Yay sunshine
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Loqi :D
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@artlung @ChrisAldrich San Diego puts me _just_ beyond impulse meetup attendance. Nov. LA IndieWebCamp conflicted w/schedule. HWC is on my radar! (twitter.com/_/status/814236823979294720)
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mindB Hello everyone. I wanted to introduce myself again. I'm developing my (static) website using indieweb principles and using the experience to learn html, css, js, etc. It's plain html right now but will slowly be improved from there.
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tantek mindB - awesome! and welcome, again! :)
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tantek mindB++
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Loqi mindb has 1 karma
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mindB Thanks! Excited to be here.
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cweiske !tell petermolnar your feed 404s .. I had been using https://petermolnar.net/category/article/feed/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar hm?
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petermolnar checking
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petermolnar oh
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petermolnar missing rewrite rule, probably
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petermolnar works without ending /
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petermolnar I swapped the wp install with the static one
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petermolnar still hunting bugs
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cweiske for now I removed the trailing / in my tt-rss subscription
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tantek sidefiles gonna fragile
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petermolnar true, though this is mostly my fault
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petermolnar trying to keep backwards-compatibility is tricky
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tantek feedfiles in general are a backcompat issue
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petermolnar I would have said parsing them is easier had I not read aaronpk's troubles a while ago when trying to make an rss/atom crossbreed
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tantek it's definitely one of the myths about them
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tantek the "parsing is easier" myth about feed files, XML, RDF, insert-fancy-new-format-here-that-rots-when-adopted-with-growth
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petermolnar ...json...
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petermolnar I had more trouble with json parsers than with plain text with linebreak protocols
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tantek now that's pretty hilarious
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petermolnar cweiske it should be fixed
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tantek aaronpk, I am seeing Twitter indicate "8" replies to your tweet https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/810170583291809792 but only one shows up at that link - are there more private replies there? or does that 8 included quoted tweet "replies" ?
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@aaronpk Oh Google. Remind me why I should trust the longevity of any of your invented formats/vocabularies? Schema FAQ 2014… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/810170583291809792 (twitter.com/_/status/810170583291809792)
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petermolnar http://seriot.ch/parsing_json.php
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petermolnar ^^^ that article is a prime example why json is problematic, and when you try to use python json to send to perl json, it sometimes gets really messy
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petermolnar for example
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aaronpk tantek: apparently I was using that as a test post and my private account replied to it a bunch
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tantek hah ok
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Loqi [indieweb] "Homebrew Website Club TONIGHT! SF Join me & @KevinMarks @MozSF LA @ChrisAldrich @Starbucks 4430 York PDX @TheMagnoliaPDX for @AaronPK’s birthday “and talk about IndieWeb things anyway” Start times: 17:30 SF & PDX 19:00 LA SF RSVP: * known.kevinmarks.com/2016/homebrew-website-club-san-francisco-2016-12-28 * FB: https://www.facebook.com/events/1621525071477732/ More info: https://indieweb.org/events/2016-12-28-homebrew-website-club" on 2016-12-28 http://tantek.com/2016/363/t2/homebrew-website-club-tonight
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tantek heh
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tantek thanks Loqi
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Loqi you're welcome
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mindB Wait. If json is frowned upon as well as xml, what's the recommended format for data transfer? csv?
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mindB I tend to think json is superior to most other options.
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tantek mindB, depends on the context
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tantek the problem is without context, JSON seems like a fine data transfer format, as does XML etc.
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tantek in practice, if your "data transfer" use-case is "how do I server information from my webserver to someone who wants to view it", then HTML+microformats is the recommended "format"
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tantek and superior to XML, JSON, etc.
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tantek *serve information
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mindB Ah. Gotcha. Most of my coding has happened in a data analysis context before so that tends to color my perception. Web presents different issues.
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tantek yes, the contextual difference in those use-cases is quite significant!
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KevinMarks Csv is far worse than json
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KevinMarks Tsv is better than csv