#indieweb 2017-01-23

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aaronpk to avoid the baggage/confusion of the term "category" i used the term "channel" for my site
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aaronpk that's my other organizational mechanism besides tags
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KartikPrabhu what's the difference?
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sebsel I don't want a limited list of categories next to tags. and since most of my tags are now hashtags I imported form twitter, I more have 'tags' than 'categories'
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aaronpk channels have more weight than tags in that there are fewer of them and they have top-level URLs
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aaronpk also I link to some of the channels in my header and footer, but not to tags
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KartikPrabhu hmm
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aaronpk the channels also are more grouped around content type, but not strictly
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aaronpk e.g. articles, photos, etc
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KartikPrabhu i currently only have tags on articles but now I am thinking of adding them to notes
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aaronpk oh and now i have a "recipes" channel :)
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KartikPrabhu which is why I am looking at pagination since there are many notes but fewer articles
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sebsel yeah I have pretty granular pagination
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sebsel the next page gets the date added
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sebsel but you can fill in any date, and it gives you posts from that point on
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KartikPrabhu i paginate articles by year and notes by month
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sebsel I can only do that since I indexed my .txt's with a database.
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sebsel I also didn't link to the /category:s before because it actually opened all the .txt's :P
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sebsel after my twitter import I have 8000 posts so that became impossible
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sebsel yeah you can just paginate with the pagination you already have in place, no?
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sebsel I have to get some sleep now, good night everyone!
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KartikPrabhu yeah I could, which is what I am considering, but then I have to have a good URL design for the combined tag + pagination
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KartikPrabhu night sebsel
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Loqi gute nacht!
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KevinMarks I put a threshold on tags so they only show in the sidebar with more than that many posts
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@100daysindieweb Day 33: Posting Recipes on my Website #100DaysOfIndieWeb: https://aaronparecki.com/2017/01/22/8/day-33-recipes (twitter.com/_/status/823324656316792832)
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KevinMarks Hm, my parser was expecting an author h-card, not just a url
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KevinMarks Sloppy of me
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KevinMarks Maybe I should. Match hcard by url
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mblaney !tell sebsel nice post! (and progress...) my reader supports your deleted posts. the way you format them in the feed is good :-)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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bear .
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GWG You know, IWC NYC and the great snowstorm was a year ago
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miklb neat. That would make it my one year indie-versary
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GWG https://indieweb.org/2016/NYC
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GWG 1-22 through 1-24.
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aaronpk time flies
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Loqi [indieweb] "@Chronotope I'd be curious about ones which also (or separately) support microformats v1 or v2. #indieweb" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-01-23 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/chronotope-id-be-curious-about-ones-which-also-or-separately
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@ChrisAldrich @Chronotope I'd be curious about ones which also (or separately) support microformats v1 or v2. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/823388253554429954)
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KartikPrabhu homepage now shows latest notes too! https://kartikprabhu.com/
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KartikPrabhu anyone know if <meta name="description"> is consumed at all by anything?
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KartikPrabhu trying to eliminate cruft from my site
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KartikPrabhu what is description?
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Loqi description is the second line of text under the title of a blog or site. It’s sometimes called a tagline or subtitle https://indieweb.org/description
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[kevinmarks] I think Google search uses it in serps, and maybe fb falls back to it in the absence of ogp
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KartikPrabhu hmm ok, I have kept it anyway
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Zegnat Good morning Indieweb!
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sknebel good morning!
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Loqi guten morgen
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KartikPrabhu <phew> clearing up cruft from my site feels pretty good
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sebsel good morning :)
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Loqi sebsel: mblaney left you a message 7 hours, 58 minutes ago: nice post! (and progress...) my reader supports your deleted posts. the way you format them in the feed is good :-)
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sebsel oh thanks mblaney! :D
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tantek good morning #indieweb!
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voxpelli good morning tantek!
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GWG Seeing tantek so early...
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tantek hah
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sebsel I got myself an experimental post type, is it worth documenting or should I first try it out some more? https://seblog.nl/2017/01/23/2/day-8-the-experimental-post-type-wrote
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Loqi [Sebastiaan Andeweg] Day 8: the experimental post type ‘wrote’
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tantek sebsel, that sounds like post type "posted" ;)
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sebsel yeah it's way to meta :)
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sebsel But I have NaNoWriMo as prior art!
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sebsel or silo example
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sebsel I will first try to use it some more
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[jeremycherfas] sebsel I like the sound of an iceberg post.
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Zegnat What is an iceberg post?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "iceberg post" yet. Would you like to create it?
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Zegnat sebsel, at least fix the wiki! ;)
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sebsel I asked if I should document :o
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sebsel an iceberg post is a post that has both a public and a private part, thus an example of [[private_posts#Partial_Page_Privacy|Partical Page Privacy]]
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Loqi ok
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sebsel hope that works.
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sebsel it does :D
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sebsel iceberg post << https://seblog.nl/2017/01/23/2/day-8-the-experimental-post-type-wrote
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Loqi ok, I added "https://seblog.nl/2017/01/23/2/day-8-the-experimental-post-type-wrote" to the "See Also" section of /iceberg post
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Loqi [Sebastiaan Andeweg] Day 8: the experimental post type ‘wrote’
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sebsel private posts << [[iceberg post]]
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Loqi ok, I added "[[iceberg post]]" to the "See Also" section of /private posts
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@charlesroper @marcjenkins @homebrewbrum Why not stick it on the Homebrew Website Club page? It's a wiki, so easy to add: https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club (twitter.com/_/status/823563159600566275)
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tantek it's there! https://indieweb.org/events/2017-01-25-homebrew-website-club
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[keithjgrant] Has anybody experimented with implementing a MicroPub client as a browser extension?
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[keithjgrant] (or wrapping an existing client in an extension)
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Zegnat I have - I have done a lot of different IndieWeb browser extension experiments without releasing.
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Zegnat But authorisation was a bit of a kerfuffle.
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[keithjgrant] Yeah, I've been trying to make sense if authorization in extensions. Don't have any experience with them, really
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[keithjgrant] *of
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tantek keithjgrant - there's the Firefox Social API
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tantek what is social api?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "social api" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek wat
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tantek Social API is [[Firefox Social API]]
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Loqi ok
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tantek what is Social API?
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Loqi Firefox Social API is a Firefox browser feature from Mozilla for interfacing with social APIs, on silos, servers running open source installations like Known & WordPress, and servers supporting open protocols like micropub https://indieweb.org/Social_API
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[keithjgrant] Slick
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tantek keithjgrant - there's a Known-specific Micropub-implementation there, would be great to have a generic Micropub add-on for Social API!
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Zegnat The authentication want to redirect to a webpage (this was also a problem cweiske had with shpub). I was planning to experiment with letting the auth endpoint redirect to a extension:// URL within the micropub extension.
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Zegnat Never got that to a point for feasible testing though.
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tantek Zegnat check out how the Know Micropub add-on did it
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tantek there's a working example that you can play with
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Zegnat Trying to find that one now tantek… I found https://github.com/mapkyca/KnownChrome but that doesn’t do micropub
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tantek Zegnat it's in the Firefox Activations directory
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tantek hmm dev like
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voxpelli what is lifestreaming?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "lifestreaming" yet. Would you like to create it?
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voxpelli Zegnat: ^ sounds like that's what you and sebsel discussed yesterday, could be worth filling out a definition of it
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voxpelli was very much the hype like 8 years ago
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voxpelli lifestreaming is a digital log of all of ones activities in a "publish then filter"-way
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sebsel rhiaro would be an example of that, no?
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voxpelli aaronpk as well
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voxpelli if https://aaronparecki.com/2017/01 isn't lifestreaming then I don't know what is ;)
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sebsel whoa :o
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Zegnat That page made me think two things: 1. it is Jan 25, 2. aaronpk didn’t eat yesterday on Jan 24.
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Zegnat Then I realised those are future entries and the 23rd is still ongoing ;)
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gRegorLove Good morning, indieweb
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@cdevroe Totally jealous of @aaronparecki’s “pinned posts” on his tag pages. https://aaronparecki.com/tag/100daysofindieweb Also, he’s killing the #100DaysOfIndieweb (twitter.com/_/status/823610904935854080)
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[keithjgrant] Well... I *think* I've got webmentions live on keithjgrant.com. setup on webmention.io and brid.gy...
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[keithjgrant] Will bridgy catch any links to my site on Twitter? Or only replies to my tweets?
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snarfed [keithjgrant]: both. https://brid.gy/about#which
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[keithjgrant] Perfect. I'll have to give it some testing a little later on
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[keithjgrant] Is there a way to make bridgy parse certain old tweets?
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snarfed [keithjgrant]: manually, yes! https://brid.gy/about#source-urls
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snarfed not automatically yet: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/579
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[keithjgrant] Awesome. That's all I need for now :)
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ben_thatmustbeme woah, just noticed slack added threading of messages
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ben_thatmustbeme wonder if Loqi will have a problem with that
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: oh jeez I didn't even think about that
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aaronpk [keithjgrant]: you can plug a Bridgy source URL into Telegraph and have Telegraph send the webmentions if you want!
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aaronpk A quick glance at https://api.slack.com/docs/message-threading#best_practices suggests threading is mostly a UI thing and messages in threads will appear as normal messages in the streaming API too
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aaronpk but i haven't actually confirmed that
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gRegorLove Huh, those threaded messages are... interesting.
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[keithjgrant] hm. I changed my url structure in the redesign. The client-side redirects are to cause me headaches trying to pull in links to the old urls, aren't they? (static site)
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[dgold] aaronpk: is there a write up on using telegraph with bridgy
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aaronpk Hm not really
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aaronpk telegraph has an input field where you'd put in the Bridgy URL
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aaronpk it should be pretty straightforward but would be worth making a post with some screenshots showing how!
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[kevinmarks] No threads in this slack yet
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[aaronpk] Testing a thread
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[aaronpk] Oh I see... there's a checkbox for "also send to #indieweb"
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KartikPrabhu [aaronpk]: testing replying to you
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miklb aaronpk considering you have 50+ days left, that might be a quick one :-)
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[aaronpk] The messages in the thread appear to come through IRC too
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[aaronpk] The IRC replies don't go to the thread of course
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[keithjgrant] @aaron okay, so say I want to use telegraph to send a webmention for this tweet https://twitter.com/asaskevich_dev/status/761904671623671808
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@asaskevich_dev Save scoped CSS | Keith J Grant http://lnk.al/2aSN #css #web (twitter.com/_/status/761904671623671808)
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[keithjgrant] do I just put the tweet url in?
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[dgold] Wouldn't that be confusing?
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[aaronpk] keithjgrant: the Bridgy docs will show you how to turn a tweet URL into a Bridgy URL
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[keithjgrant] okay, yeah, so it should be: brid.gy/twitter/asaskevich_dev/761904671623671808
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aaronpk that looks right. so if you put that in telegraph it'll find links it can send webmentions to and then you can click the ones you want to send
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[keithjgrant] oh, needs /repost at the beginning
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[keithjgrant] hm
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[keithjgrant] https://brid.gy/post/twitter/asaskevich_dev/761904671623671808 returns "HTTP Error 400: 400 Bad Request The server could not comply with the request since it is either malformed or otherwise incorrect. Source twitter asaskevich_dev not found"
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snarfed [keithjgrant]: https://brid.gy/about#source-urls . username should be yours, not theirs
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[kevinmarks] That checkbox applies to the irc too then
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[kevinmarks] Ah, apparently not.
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aaronpk [kevinmarks]: the messages in the thread appear to go to IRC even if that box isn't checked. probably because Loqi is just ignoring the new thread_ts parameter in the messages
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[keithjgrant] ah, okay. so say someone else shares a link to my post. Is there an appropriate webmention for that? repost seems to make sense, but that didn't work either
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[keithjgrant] or would they need to be the one to send it?
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aaronpk i think bridgy URLs will work with any tweet ID as long as you always have your username there?
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snarfed ^ yup
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[keithjgrant] ah. got it. thanks
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