#indieweb 2017-01-24

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@keithjgrant Hello, World Wide IndieWeb!: http://keithjgrant.com/posts/2017/01/hello-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/823684298716876801)
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@cleverdevil Welcome to the IndieWeb, Keith :) (https://cleverdevil.io/s/7f1p) (twitter.com/_/status/823684843934453760)
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GWG Does anyone have a tag 'page' with information on the subject of the tag?
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[keithjgrant] Well, it picked up webmentions from aaronpk and snarfed, so I did something right. Replies on Twitter and that reply from cleverdevil didn't come through
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aaronpk GWG i was thinking about doing that and decided to use pinned posts for that instead
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aaronpk [keithjgrant] nice! Bridgy polling can take some time. You can check whether it's found the tweets on the website
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KevinMarks https://twitter.com/eevee/status/823689526027558912
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@eevee uhhh $10/mo is rather a lot for my median of like five comments per post https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C25VP0hUsAAw0nM.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/823689526027558912)
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GWG aaronpk: Someone was suggesting that tags might link to a page about the subject of the tag over the view of all things tagged with same. I was trying to find some prior art.
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aaronpk That's basically what I was trying to accomplish when I made my pinned posts so you can cite that
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GWG aaronpk: Got a really good example?
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aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/tag/100daysofindieweb
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gRegorLove What is Disqus?
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Loqi Disqus is a comments hosting silo https://indieweb.org/Disqus
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Loqi [indieweb] "Welcome to the IndieWeb, Keith :)" by Jonathan LaCour on 2017-01-24 https://cleverdevil.io/2017/welcome-to-the-indieweb-keith
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snarfed [keithjgrant]: fwiw your twitter replies weren't backfed because you didn't @-mention yourself :P https://brid.gy/about#Twitter+@-reply
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[keithjgrant] ah. interesting
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[keithjgrant] thanks for taking a look :slightly_smiling_face:
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[keithjgrant] alright, reply and a like worked
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Loqi [indieweb] "Self-hosted Known 0.8.5 has left the building - with better indieweb, micropub and AMP support." by Ben Werdmuller on 2015-10-13 http://stream.withknown.com/2015/self-hosted-known-085-has-left-the-building---with-better
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Loqi [indieweb] "A short note about web standards from your friends at Known" by Ben Werdmuller on 2015-10-13 http://stream.withknown.com/2015/a-short-note-about-web-standards-from-your-friends-at
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Loqi [indieweb] "Why we built Known" by Ben Werdmuller on 2015-12-08 http://stream.withknown.com/2015/why-we-built-known
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KevinMarks1 I made indiecard work with aaron's p-author that is just a url: http://www.unmung.com/indiecard?url=https%3A%2F%2Faaronparecki.com%2F2014%2F01%2F27%2F21%2Fcookie
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@keithjgrant @gfmorris Lookie: open social web protocols that allow you to own your own data ;) http://keithjgrant.com/posts/2017/01/hello-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/823711673567547393)
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KevinMarks1 interesting - your ingredients are a list, but your method is just prose
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KevinMarks1 I get itemised methods from the bbc http://www.unmung.com/indiecard?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Ffood%2Frecipes%2Fchargrilled_broccoli_69096
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aaronpk KevinMarks1: yeah Paprika exports just text for the instructions. I realized that not all my instructions really make sense in a list so I just made mine text too
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KevinMarks Should I suppress the <ol> if there's only one?
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aaronpk Probably
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sknebel Good morning everybody!
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aaronpk I need to update my 2012 article about OAuth 2.0 based on the latest recommendations from the state of OAuth, and I'm struggling with how to handle that. Should I just update the post? Should I add a warning notice in the affected areas and link to a new post? This post is linked to in hundreds of GitHub repos and who knows where else, so I want to make sure it's up to date but I don't want to rewrite
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aaronpk history
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aaronpk ooh maybe I can make a new post dated now, and then turn the old post into a redirect to the new post, then post a copy of the old post at a new URL and link to the old version from the new post. hmm
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voxpelli Adding a warning at the top that links to the new could probably work
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KevinMarks_ Updating the post and pointing to the previous version seems reasonable
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KevinMarks_ Like specs do
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aaronpk I don't want to do the easy version which is link to a new post from the old one, because I want people arriving there from links elsewhere on the internet to always see the current one
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: maybe redirect the old URLs to the new post, and then "archive" the older post at some other URL. Then link the new URL of the old post from the new post which is now at the old URL!
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KartikPrabhu couldn't help it
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tantek aaronpk, seems inevitable to dated posts as references, one reason "wiki" like pages could sometimes be better
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aaronpk That's what I tried to describe earlier ?
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aaronpk yeah the w3c way of doing this is a pretty good solution too. The canonical spec URL is always the latest and there are always dated snapshots too
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tantek the few times I've had to deal with that I've put a big banner at the top
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tantek I think my most linked version was my series of SXSW Packing Tips
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aaronpk I put a banner at the top of my IRC post, but I think I'm going to do the replacing trick with this one because i don't want people to have to click again to read the new version
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tantek aaronpk, but won't that happen again?
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tantek maybe it's a good time to explore "wiki" pages in p3k ;)
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aaronpk I can give any page a permalink without a date component so maybe I should redirect it to URL like that
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tantek interesting. yes
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tantek perhaps such dateless permalinks make sense to continuously update
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KevinMarks1 that makes more sense, with dates appended for versions
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KevinMarks1 OK, http://www.unmung.com/indiecard is a bit more resilient now
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KevinMarks1 and it does the single-instructions thing
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KevinMarks1 http://www.unmung.com/indiecard?url=https%3A%2F%2Faaronparecki.com%2F2014%2F01%2F27%2F21%2Fcookie vs http://www.unmung.com/indiecard?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Ffood%2Frecipes%2Fchargrilled_broccoli_69096
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@kevinmarks Starting #100daysOfIndieweb: http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/starting-100daysofindieweb (twitter.com/_/status/823792281077460992)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Starting #100daysOfIndieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-01-24 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/starting-100daysofindieweb
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@kevinmarks Day 1: improving Indiecard #100DaysOfIndieWeb: http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/day-1-improving-indiecard-100daysofindieweb (twitter.com/_/status/823795750408568832)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Day 1: improving Indiecard #100DaysOfIndieWeb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-01-24 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/day-1-improving-indiecard-100daysofindieweb
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KevinMarks1 hm,known doesn'tlook for hashtags in the title of articles
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@ncollig_net @indiewebcamp @HwcBrussels found a place to organize our first events! The #indieweb movement arrives in Brussels! Join us! (twitter.com/_/status/823812746483560451)
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@HwcBrussels We will be hosting our first event in Brussels in February! Date TBA. Join our meetup (https://www.meetup.com/HWC-Brussels/). #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/823816278737612800)
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@HwcBrussels The #indieweb is the answer to an over-centralized and corporate web. Let's take back control over our online identities and data!! (twitter.com/_/status/823817302491557889)
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[jeremycherfas] Wondering, is there an way to check microformats in a local dev environment? Don’t like having to push changes out to production just to see whether they work.
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cweiske how would you check them when they are live?
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Zegnat jeremycherfas, you would want to run a microformats parser locally
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pfefferle good morning
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sebsel [jeremycherfas] and if you don't want / can't you can always grab your HTML output and put it in http://pin13.net/mf2/
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[jeremycherfas] cweiske With indiewebify.me
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[jeremycherfas] @zegnat are there instructions for doing that?
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cweiske https://github.com/indieweb/indiewebify-me/ has instructions about setting it up locally
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cweiske it's php
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[jeremycherfas] I didn’t realise that. Thank you cweiske
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[jeremycherfas] I was just using the web version.
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@bph Indie Microblogging: owning your short-form writing is popular on @Kickstarter! https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/manton/indie-microblogging-owning-your-short-form-writing?ref=project_tweet by Manton Reece @manton2 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/823879672593321984)
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ncollig Hi folks! Does anyone have advice on the most convenient app to post and share content from my android mobile to my Known website? (if such a thing exists)
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cweiske https://indiechat.search.cweiske.de/?q=micropub+android
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cweiske ncollig, http://indieweb.org/Posting_from_mobile_devices
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ncollig cweiske: Thanks!
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[dgold] "On iOS, the app Workflow can be used to make POST requests to a Micropub endpoint or some other API."
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[dgold] and the scales fell away from my eyes...
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sebsel I just added that, but yeah, it's a nice app for indieweb-purposes. :)
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@keithjgrant New post (and a whole new site design!): Hello, World Wide IndieWeb! http://keithjgrant.com/posts/2017/01/hello-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/823890214552797184)
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[jeremycherfas] I’m at a loss to understand why the h-card on my home page validates but using the exact same code on a post fails.
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Zegnat Well, for one, a post isn't an h-card. But I feel like I am missing some context here
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[jeremycherfas] Thanks Zegnat. And I feel I’m probably out of my depth. When I put a single post into the validator at indiewebify.me, it finds the h-entry stuff and suggests I should add an author card. So I’ve been trying to do that, but it is not being picked up. Should it be within the h-entry div, or outside it?
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sebsel [jeremycherfas] make sure to mark it up as p-author too! so class="p-author h-card"
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sebsel or u-author, if you want the value to be an url. don't know what's the usual thing to do there.
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sebsel both should work
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[jeremycherfas] Thanks. I’m taking a break now for today. Will try that tomorrow.
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@davidmead Thx for the mention in your blog @cdevroe. I’ve posted a reply at http://djm.click/blog/b/35X ? #indieweb Syndicated to: (twitter.com/_/status/823899560334475265)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Hello, World Wide IndieWeb!" on 2017-01-23 http://keithjgrant.com/posts/2017/01/hello-indieweb/
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@adactio Looking forward to tomorrow’s Homebrew Website Club here in Brighton. https://indieweb.org/events/2017-01-25-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/823910740704849920)
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@OldTownRA Found on Twitter: #BTODAY https://twitter.com/adactio/status/823910740704849920 - Looking forward to tomorrow’s Homebrew Website Club here in B… https://indieweb.org/events/2017-01-25-homebrew-website-club (twitter.com/_/status/823911337688494080)
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cweiske aaronpk, tantek - I have a yellow warning on top of outdated posts, e.g. http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/gitorious-post-receive-hook.htm
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Loqi [Christian Weiske] Gitorious: Custom post-receive hook
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cweiske and http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/typo3-autoloader.htm
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Loqi [Christian Weiske] TYPO3: Autoloader explained
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Loqi [indieweb] "Hello, World Wide IndieWeb" by noshbrinken on 2017-01-24 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13474057
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@SecNewsBot Hacker News - Hello, World Wide IndieWeb http://keithjgrant.com/posts/2017/01/hello-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/823962616817192960)
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@techguard1 SecNewsBot: Hacker News - Hello, World Wide IndieWeb http://keithjgrant.com/posts/2017/01/hello-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/823962674644078594)
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@ryf_feed Hello, World Wide IndieWeb http://keithjgrant.com/posts/2017/01/hello-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/823964188892692482)
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Loqi [indieweb] "There's a related issue for this: https://github.com/dshanske/indieweb-post-kinds/issues/60" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-01-24 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/theres-a-related-issue-for-this-dshanskeindieweb-post-kindsissues60
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[keithjgrant] Superfeedr docs aren't great, are they?
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snarfed [keithjgrant]: they've been ok when i've used them before
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petermolnar superfeedr has docs?
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[dgold] working through the indiewebify for my markup, just one question.
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[dgold] if I'm the only author on my site, and I have a valid h-card on each page
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[dgold] is the necessity for a rel=author on each post restrictive?
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[dgold] sorry, meant 'repetetive'
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@barryf Indie Microblogging: https://barryfrost.com/2017/01/indie-microblogging #indieweb #microblog (twitter.com/_/status/823970313893511169)
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snarfed petermolnar: https://documentation.superfeedr.com/
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Loqi Introduction
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snarfed [dgold]: https://indieweb.org/h-card#Issues
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[keithjgrant] I can't figure out why superfeedr isn't seeing my feed. It's logging my pings
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[keithjgrant] And I can't find anywhere to verify the feed URL I provide when setting up
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[dgold] snarfed :slightly_smiling_face:
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snarfed [dgold]: specifically, https://indieweb.org/authorship has lots of options that don't require duplicating h-card
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[dgold] I'd add a comment, but I need to fix my h-card first :confused:
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[dgold] oh, thanks, that's a lot better
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tantek dgold, yes, if you're using an h-card for your authorship on your post pages, you don't need rel=author per se
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tantek sounds like we could improve the documentation there to make that more clear
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[dgold] tantek - while I won't disagree with your final conclusion (joking) I think the authorship page has given me more of an understanding of the 'why'
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[keithjgrant] tantek does that hold even if the h-card is not within the h-entry? (i.e. elsewhere on the page)
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@ChrisAldrich Weird Flickr URL Trick http://cogdogblog.com/2017/01/weird-flickr-trick #UX #UI #Indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/823991180887228416)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Weird Flickr URL Trick http://cogdogblog.com/2017/01/weird-flickr-trick #UX #UI #Indieweb" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-01-24 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/weird-flickr-url-trick-201701weird-flickr-trick-ux-ui-indieweb
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Loqi [indieweb] "I derive some pleasure from knowing that other folks are able to implement bits of the IndieWeb much more effectively than I am, probably because" by Jeremy Cherfas on 2017-01-24 https://vaviblog.com/2017/i-derive-some-pleasure-from-knowing-that-other-folks-are
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Loqi [indieweb] "Not all that happy with progress over at the mothership. I managed to get this stream mirrored over there, and then got sucked into two" by Jeremy Cherfas on 2017-01-24 https://vaviblog.com/2017/not-all-that-happy-with-progress-over-at-the-mothership
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GWG I am struggling with what to do when you can't make everyone happy
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GWG I like x, I write plugins other people use. some of them don't like x. So I said, fine, I will add a disable x setting. Your choice. You don't like x, you don't need x. Then someone files a bug report about x with a over why your plugin doesn't play nice with theirs
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GWG And what is it about...x!
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GWG Which is now off by default because people didn't like it. So whoever is commenting had to intentionally turn it on
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KartikPrabhu you pick a decision and stick with that
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GWG If my decision was such a good one, then so many ys wouldn't ask about it. That is why I turned it off by default... I figured if only I liked it, no one else should be forced to deal with it
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GWG And I don't even like it that much. It was more no other option
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KartikPrabhu then keep it off by default and stick to that
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GWG I just have the desire to help others Indiewebify their sites as well as enhance mine
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GWG So, eventually there will be conflict with those goals
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KartikPrabhu GWG: listening to feedback is good, but ultimately you can never please everyone so you will have to decide on one approach after you take in the feedabck
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GWG I build for myself first, but sometimes I do small things for others.
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GWG Like adding Medium plugin support. I don't post to Medium, but it took ten minutes and made someone happy.
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GWG I am just questioning if I should be more selfish
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GWG Should I: Build only features I like, build scaffolding for features I don't like so someone else could easily plug them in, or build things for others when it isn't something that is too complicated and would not be worth the effort?
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GWG I am mostly asking myself out loud.
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GWG I think snarfed was right when he asked me if I used some ideas I had for him
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GWG In the meantime, I next get to wonder if having an icon in my social icon set is a good excuse to POSSE there
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tantek keithjgrant - elsewhere on the page is tricky, because there can be lots of h-cards elsewhere on the page
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tantek in that case it is simpler to include a rel=author page to your home page which presumably has an h-card for you
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tantek rel=author *link
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tantek Kevinmarks, do you auto-internet-archive the links in your posts?
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tantek consider that as one of your 100daysofindieweb projects
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tantek perhaps even a Known plugin to do it automatically
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tantek https://indieweb.org/archive.org#Trigger_an_Archive
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tantek GWG is there a WordPress plug-in to do this automatically? That you use? (auto-internet-archive the links in your posts)
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tantek like this one? do you use it? https://wordpress.org/plugins/post-archival/
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tantek do any WordPress users use it?
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GWG I don't, but I will look. petermolnar was before he moved from WordPress
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tantek GWG, try it out and let me us here know what you think!
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petermolnar I only included external, webmentioned links
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petermolnar meanwhile I found an interesting project: awstats 404 page -> try to generate redirects for any, potentially moved resource, 403 (and eventually fail2ban) for anything that is no linked and should not be accessed (eg. wp-login.php), and find missing resources
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petermolnar I haven't been checking server side logs for years for these things and it's interesting
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petermolnar interesting to see how this gets masked by client-side stats
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tantek petermolnar are you using wordpress now?
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petermolnar no
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petermolnar not anymore
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petermolnar well, I do, but not for my site :D
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tantek what CMS / software are you using?
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tantek (for your site)
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petermolnar I wrote a static generator and a small python receiver with a framework called sanic
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tantek cool!
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tantek what is sanic?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "sanic" yet. Would you like to create it?
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petermolnar https://github.com/channelcat/sanic/
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petermolnar it was such a geniously idiot name after the meme, that I had to try it
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tantek what's it written in?
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petermolnar python
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petermolnar to be more specific, it's using python 3.5's asyncio
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petermolnar it's quite delightful to return the basic GET and POST handling after many years with WordPress
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petermolnar though I sometimes see why WP has that much armour around it's request handling
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tantek petermolnar: do you think you could post a small Python snippet that does this? https://indieweb.org/archive.org#Trigger_an_Archive (similar to the PHP snippet there)
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petermolnar https://github.com/petermolnar/petermolnar.net/blob/master/src/webmentiondb.py#L58
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petermolnar I'll add it to the wiki
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tantek awesome
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tantek petermolnar: I assume your new site therefore does that automatically? Since? Add yourself to https://indieweb.org/Internet_Archive#IndieWeb_Examples :)