#indieweb 2017-01-25

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@cleverdevil @daringfireball @Darchmare good to see you supporting this, John! We’ve backed it big at @DreamHost. <3 The IndieWeb! (twitter.com/_/status/824047076430397440)
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GWG tantek: The plugin is roughly 8 months old. The author has released 8 plugins in the last year without much interest, but I like his About page. https://www.slightfuture.com/about
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Loqi About
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GWG tantek: Wonder if he is someone worth reaching out to
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tantek probably
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GWG Actually tracking him back to a single location...
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GWG This seems to be his actual page: https://www.daniel.priv.no/
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GWG Wonder if anyone knows the author, considering he notes that he advocates for the open web.
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tantek GWG, sounds like you could contact him and invite him here!
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GWG tantek: I'm reading his code first.
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GWG I like to be able to say something
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tantek this is a great trick to keep the previous version of a site / templates etc. running just for easy a/b comparison - an extra "/" at the end of the URL (so the URL ends with "//") for the older version! http://cogdogblog.com/2017/01/weird-flickr-trick
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chrisaldrich tantek: the Post Archival (archive.org) plugin you mentioned earlier isn't too bad. They recently pushed an update (at my nudging) to archive not only the user's post, but the contents of links within the body. https://wordpress.org/plugins/post-archival/
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tantek chrisaldrich: interesting
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tantek the only problem I saw was the "12 hours after you post bit"
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chrisaldrich I don't think there are any others on WP that do that. I'd looked a month or two ago after IWC-LA
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tantek it should auto-archive everything you link to IMMEDIATELY
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GWG chrisaldrich: So, you've talked to Daniel Aleksandersen, the author?
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chrisaldrich GWG, I think he'd actually read something I'd posted somewhere else and took the suggestion.
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GWG Just wondering. As I said, his views suggest he might be interested in the community.
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chrisaldrich Tantek, I suspect that he built in a small delay on the one for near term updates/typos. Not quite sure why he added the 12 hour wait on the other, but it's tweakable in the code if necessary.
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@t #100DoPP d5: Every link I post is auto-archived @InternetArchive. You can too: https://indieweb.org/Internet_Archive#Trigger_an_Archive E.g.: http://tantek.com/2017/024/t1 (twitter.com/_/status/824055880610091009)
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chrisaldrich I've had him on my list to reach out to, but have been swamped with work lately.
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KevinMarks1 I auto-archive things on svgur/svgshare
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tantek KevinMarks: why not on your Known?
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KevinMarks1 'cos my known is hosted by Known inc, so I can't add plugins myself
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tantek is there even a plugin to do that?
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KevinMarks1 I don't know
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KevinMarks1 it is a good idea
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tantek I asked in #knownchat and got no answer
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KevinMarks1 I was thinking that would be something to add to mention-tech
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GWG chrisaldrich: Do you remember where he might have read it? I might reach out.
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tantek !tell benwerd Is there a Known plugin to automatically auto-internet-archive the links in your posts? e.g. as documented here: https://indieweb.org/archive.org#Trigger_an_Archive
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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chrisaldrich tantek: I don't think there is yet. See https://github.com/idno/Known/issues/1610
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chrisaldrich GWG: I don't recall sadly. I have a sneaking suspicion that he had a google alert on his plugin name and saw a post I wrote about it.
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tantek chrisaldrich: are you using the plugin?
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tantek if you are, add yourself http://indieweb.org/Internet_Archive#IndieWeb_Examples
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KevinMarks1 hm, something isn't working with the svgshare ones though
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tantek chrisaldrich: oh I see you are there :)
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chrisaldrich I think I'd suggested that the ubiquitous Broken Link Checker which has some archive.org functionality built into it could add the functionality to "close the loop" essentially: https://github.com/ManageWP/broken-link-checker/issues/23
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chrisaldrich I have a feeling that Daniel then saw the note from that and implemented it himself.
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gRegorLove chrisaldrich: since you archive your own posts, do you link to the archive with a syndicate-to or similar? I know it's not exactly a syndication.
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GWG Interesting idea
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gRegorLove Guess that could get meta when Internet Archive comes back around and takes another snapshot of the post :)
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chrisaldrich I had thought about that gRegorLove... it's on my list somewhere, but it's a bit further down. Syndicating to Archive.org probably doesn't get me a lot of traffic the way Facebook or Twitter might.
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gRegorLove Hehe
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@t If you tweet for an org: think #indieweb 1. post on your site before Twitter 2. auto-archive links to @InternetArchive (ttk.me t4mW2) (twitter.com/_/status/824058766207361025)
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Loqi [indieweb] "If you tweet for an org: think #indieweb 1. post on your site before Twitter 2. auto-archive links to @InternetArchive" on 2017-01-25 http://tantek.com/2017/024/t2/think-indieweb-your-site-before-twitter
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chrisaldrich Maybe if the WaybackMachine supported webmentions and I was getting lots of commentary from there... ;)
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gRegorLove I'm telling you, 2017 is the year IA is going to become the hot social network. :)
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tantek hah
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chrisaldrich alright, off to math class; catch you all later....
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GWG Would people add a rel=syndication to archive.org though? Does that reflect the relationship?
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tantek GWG, I suppose if you were the one to initiate the archive
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tantek but since you can't be guaranteed of that, not sure if it actually reflects the relationship
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GWG That was the question. Is it something you would link to visibly?
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tantek I don't know
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aquarius_ yo, gang. Brief question. I'm thinking of putting together a "say you're attending" page for HBC Birmingham -- something like meetup's rsvp thing. But, indieweb, obviously. So, some sort of "send a webmention" thing. Is there prior art here, before I go off and invent a way to do it? :)
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KevinMarks1 related: https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/824044882905829377
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@kevinmarks @slightlylate having other copies is often a good thing - this is what I was getting at with http://svgshare.com/dweb @seldo @w3ctag (twitter.com/_/status/824044882905829377)
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KevinMarks1 see thread
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aquarius_ (probably do some sort of "indieauth to this page to add your name, etc)
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KevinMarks1 what is rsvp?
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Loqi An RSVP is a reply to an event post that says whether the sender is or is not attending, might attend, or is just interested in the event https://indieweb.org/rsvp
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aquarius_ ha, nice one KevinMarks1
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KevinMarks1 that's what you want, aquarius_
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aquarius_ it is. I thought someone would have been here already.
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KevinMarks1 we do that for SF with a known post, as known supports rsvp
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KevinMarks1 but it is a little opaque
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KevinMarks1 aaron built some UI for it for the indieweb summit last year
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tantek aquarius, all my RSVPs to public events are posted as indieweb.org/rsvp posts on my own site
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tantek so it is doable, both to respond to indie event posts, and even for public FB events, since Bridgy will POSSE the RSVP to FB for you
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aquarius_ excellent, there's the infrastructure for it. We'll kick around some ideas on how to use it and present it tomorrow :)
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aquarius_ cheers, peeps.
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@sil @paul_tibbetts your homework before tomorrow evening is to look at https://indieweb.org/rsvp :-) (twitter.com/_/status/824062832480256001)
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KevinMarks1 hm, I have a svgur vs svgshare problem
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KevinMarks Which is a bit ironic in a lookup by hash context
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@TT_SemWeb Internet Archive - IndieWeb https://indieweb.org/Internet_Archive, see more http://tweetedtimes.com/topic/RWW/semantic-web?s=tnp (twitter.com/_/status/824072590549549056)
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aaronpk Huh did I forget to post about my project yesterday?
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aaronpk I could have sworn I wrote a post about it
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aaronpk Oh maybe it's saved as a draft
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miklb If you missed a day, you have to start over. Those are the rules.
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aaronpk aha I did post it! It was just still marked as a draft
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KevinMarks1 I made an svg 404 page for the svg bit of svgur
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KevinMarks1 http://svgur.com/i/nope.svg
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@gKrishnaKS Trigger archiving of any publicly available page to Internet Archive's Wayback machine https://indieweb.org/Internet_Archive#Trigger_an_Archive @internetarchive @magikalyan (twitter.com/_/status/824104596666597377)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Liked this tweet: https://twitter.com/t/status/824058766207361025 ⚡️ on Twitter: &#8220;If you tweet for an org: think #indieweb 1. post on your site before Twitter 2. auto-archive links to @InternetArchive (ttk.me t4mW2)&#8221;" by Scott Kingery on 2017-01-25 http://techlifeweb.com/15175-2/
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Loqi [indieweb] "Retweeted this tweet https://twitter.com/bph/status/823879672593321984: Birgit Pauli-Haack on Twitter: &#8220;Indie Microblogging: owning your short-form writing is popular on @Kickstarter! https://t.co/29kA1IrqPg by Manton Reece @manton2 #indieweb&#8221;" by Scott Kingery on 2017-01-25 http://techlifeweb.com/15177-2/
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@etportis @gRegorLove saw you're starting an IndieWebCamp in Bellingham (!). I can’t ferry over from Orcas tomorrow, but! Hopefully! In the future! (twitter.com/_/status/824120442801754112)
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@100daysindieweb Day 34: New test for https://webmention.rocks/ #100DaysOfIndieWeb: https://aaronparecki.com/2017/01/23/5/day-34-webmention-rocks (twitter.com/_/status/824126387091075072)
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@100daysindieweb Day 35: Handling Redirects of Updated Blog Posts #100DaysOfIndieWeb: https://aaronparecki.com/2017/01/24/14/day-35-redirects-and-oauth (twitter.com/_/status/824126446876717056)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Retweeted this tweet https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/status/823991180887228416: ChrisAldrich on Twitter: &#8220;Weird Flickr URL Trick https://t.co/sKUCb0D1pD #UX #UI #Indieweb&#8221;" by Scott Kingery on 2017-01-25 http://techlifeweb.com/15188-2/
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Loqi [indieweb] "That's a well worded synopsis. Welcome to the IndieWeb Keith! I'm curious if, as a CSS expert--which I am assuredly not, your book has a" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-01-25 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/thats-a-well-worded-synopsis-welcome-to-the-indieweb-keith
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@ChrisAldrich @keithjgrant That's a well worded synopsis. Welcome to the IndieWeb! I'm curious if, as a CSS expert--which I am… http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/thats-a-well-worded-synopsis-welcome-to-the-indieweb-keith (twitter.com/_/status/824162330887987201)
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@kevinmarks Day 2 Saving webmentioned URLs to https://archive.org #100DaysOfIndieWeb: http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/day-2-saving-webmentioned-urls-to-archiveorg-100daysofindieweb (twitter.com/_/status/824164291192426496)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Day 2 Saving webmentioned URLs to archive.org #100DaysOfIndieWeb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-01-25 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/day-2-saving-webmentioned-urls-to-archiveorg-100daysofindieweb
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@kevinmarks @internetarchive I'm on it http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/day-2-saving-webmentioned-urls-to-archiveorg-100daysofindieweb #100DaysOfIndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/824174582676516865)
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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@kevinmarks Back in 2008, before "fake news" was a meme, @aaronsw started a novel about tech controlling attention http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/bubblecity #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/824194069190545410)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Back in 2008, before "fake news" was a meme, @aaronsw started a novel about tech controlling attention http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/bubblecity #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-01-25 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/back-in-2008-before-fake-news-was-a-meme-aaronsw
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[dgold] the webmention page of indiewebify me appears to be kaput
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[dgold] https://indiewebify.me/send-webmentions/
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cweiske I also get a HTTP 500 error
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cweiske already reported as I see: https://github.com/indieweb/indiewebify-me/issues/46
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[dgold] just found that too, cweiske
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Days 1 to 10 of #100daysofindieweb" https://seblog.nl/2017/01/25/3/days-1-to-10-of-100daysofindieweb
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[jeremycherfas] Sebsel++
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Loqi sebsel has 11 karma in this channel (12 overall)
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KevinMarks_ So is 10 days a new fortnight?
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KartikPrabhu 10 days was called a decade in the French revolutionary calendar
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ben_thatmustbeme KevinMarks_: its a metric fortnight :P
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sebsel It's two weeks in Tanteks newcal :)
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KevinMarks_ 3 new weeks could be a fiftnight
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Zegnat Guess I'll do my own personal HWC at the Amsterdam Apple Store. Anything topical today?
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hongpong i cleaned up a drupal 8 module that could be used to do webmentions https://github.com/HongPong/linkback awaiting some attention: https://www.drupal.org/node/2758041 (linkback would be successor to D7 vinculum, and be modular re pingbacks, webmentions). mostly was done by aleix who is looking it over again today
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Zegnat Nice work hongpong. Looks like the Drupal crowd really is getting things going after the W3C standard track hit.
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Zegnat What is Drupal?
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Loqi Drupal is a popular open source content management system https://indieweb.org/Drupal
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Zegnat If you can, you might want to add the link on that wiki page ^^^
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@gRegorLove @etportis Hi Eric! Yeah, we have a Homebrew Website Club meetup every two weeks. Next will be Feburary 8. I'll send you an invite. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/824307372596269056)
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gRegorLove Wonder why my pushes with "indieweb" don't show up here. Maybe because I'm using http://gregorlove.superfeedr.com/ instead of their main one?
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tantek Zegnat - did you add it to the wiki?
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tantek Zegnat - no sign of anything Netherlands / Amsterdam here! https://indieweb.org/events/2017-01-25-homebrew-website-club - perhaps add it last minute and see if you can get anyone?
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bjoern Greetings from HWC Nuremberg, this time without snowman
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@gRegorLove @etportis There’s talk of a Seattle IndieWebCamp this year, too: https://indieweb.org/Planning#Seattle (twitter.com/_/status/824309730990399488)
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bjoern picture coming soon
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Zegnat tantek, I think I added to the wiki that we aren't on today because of scheduling conflicts?
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Zegnat Which is true. I am only online right now because the Apple Store has free WiFi and I am waiting for my appointment.
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Zegnat sebsel is at a different meet-up, petermolnar isn't in the country, so there were no organisers today. Both sebsel and I will be back at HWC the Netherlands in 2 weeks. I am guessing we will be in Utrecht again, where we were 2 weeks ago as well.
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tantek ok fair
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Loqi [indieweb] "Anyone know if you can modify WordPress&#8217; &#8220;PressThis&#8221; bookmarklet to set the post format automatically? #indieweb" by Scott Kingery on 2017-01-25 http://techlifeweb.com/15200-2/
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@TechLifeWeb Anyone know if you can modify WordPress’ “PressThis” bookmarklet to set the post format automatically? #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/824313078225502210)
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hongpong thank you Zegnat . once we have a commit on the real project i will add it back to indieweb. i already set notices on the vinculum issues, that we are moving to more easily understood "linkback" community contrib module for Drupal 8. with luck, traction on global sprint day
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@jkphl Homebrew Website Clubbin' in Nuremberg again! #indieweb https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/824315601871114240/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/824315601871114240)
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@ChrisAldrich Want to know who's talking about #indieweb on Twitter? I've got a "bot" that compiles a list: https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/lists/tweets-indieweb/members (twitter.com/_/status/824320579691941888)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Want to know who's talking about #indieweb on Twitter? I've got a "bot" that compiles a list: https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/lists/tweets-indieweb/members" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-01-25 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/want-to-know-whos-talking-about-indieweb-on-twitter-ive
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hongpong the code has been added to the repo and cleanup is proceeding before a dev release: https://www.drupal.org/project/linkback
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hongpong they made me and aleix as co maintainers so we can move things ahead nicely
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adactio Anyone got a recommendation for an h-feed to RSS converter?
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Loqi adactio: aaronpk left you a message on 2016-12-22 at 4:19pm UTC: looks like you have a stray "p-name" class on your comment template. if you remove the p-name from the line that links to the permalink, and move it to the e-content element instead, the inline previews like https://chat.indieweb.org/2016-12-22#t1482423477475000 will look better!
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Loqi adactio: tantek left you a message 1 week, 6 days ago: got a photo from HWC to add to https://indieweb.org/events/2017-01-11-homebrew-website-club#Photos ?
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gRegorLove What is Granary?
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tantek what is an h-feed to RSS converter?
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Loqi granary is a library and REST API that frees you from social network API chaff and and exposes the sweet social data foodstuff inside as HTML and JSON with microformats2, ActivityStreams, Atom, XML, and more https://indieweb.org/granary
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "h-feed to RSS converter" yet. Would you like to create it?
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gRegorLove adactio: Granary ^
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tantek I thought unmung did a better job
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tantek what is Unmung?
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Loqi Unmung is a service that turns Atom and RSS feeds into h-feeds https://indieweb.org/unmung
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tantek hmm - thought it also did the reverse
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tantek adactio, how is HWC Brighton going?
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tantek photo reminder! :)
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snarfed tantek: feel free to file granary issues if you know of specific problems :P
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tantek snarfed, if I hear of any (from people using it to convert my h-feed to RSS) :P
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adactio Sorry, I should've been more specific: I'm looking for a hosted service. (the only one linked to from the microformats wiki is an old Yahoo Pipes thing)
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gRegorLove Granary's worked great for me. I have a redirect to it for my notes Atom feed.
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tantek pours one out for Yahoo Pipes
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tantek pours one out for Yahoo
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gRegorLove adactio: I use Granary as a hosted service for mine
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adactio gRegorLove: is there an endpoint I can use?
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gRegorLove gregorlove.com/notes.atom is: https://granary-demo.appspot.com/url?input=html&output=atom&url=http://gregorlove.com/notes/
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gRegorLove https://granary-demo.appspot.com/ click the microformats logo
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gRegorLove It's snarfed's baby, so he can also answer any questions. Responsive to bug reports too :)
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gRegorLove Despite the "demo" in the name he's cool with us using it. I checked :)
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snarfed pines for an open source equivalent of bribing SREs at google with whiskey
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cdevroe Good afternoon everyone. I was wondering if anyone had a moment to spare to explain how to use Brid.gy? I’ve tried three times and I cannot figure out how to use the site/service at all. And I read the FAQ. Am I missing anything?
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tantek cdevroe - what do you want to do with Bridgy?
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tantek (it does multiple things)
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tantek and welcome!
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cdevroe Hello T! Long time. Well, I was envious of David Mead’s set up (and Jeremy’s) and I wrote about it here: http://cdevroe.com/2017/01/23/the-slow-web-and-posse/ — In that I list a few things that I cannot do currently that I would like to. Most noteably, post to Facebook directly from my site and show likes/retweets on my site. Rather than continue to build upon the simple WordPress plugin I have now, that posts to Twitter, Mead
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cdevroe suggested Brid.gy so I looked into it. And I’m sort of baffled by it. It doesn’t seem to do anything and I feel like I don’t know what I’m looking at.
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Loqi The slow web and POSSE
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amber1 Hi everyone, this is my first time on indieweb chat
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tantek welcome amber1!
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tantek cdevroe, sounds like you want to use both features of Bridgy, Bridgy Backfeed, and Bridgy Publish
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calumryan Three of us reviewing what we’ve all been doing for our websites over the past month at HWC London
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tantek they are different, so better for you to focus on which one you want to get to work first
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gRegorLove cdevroe: Do you receive / send webmention?
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cdevroe @gRegorLove I do.
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chrisaldrich cdevroe: GWG has a nice WordPress plugin called Bridgy Publish that should automatically handle the WP to Bridgy portion for publishing to several services like Twitter, etc. https://wordpress.org/plugins/bridgy-publish/
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cdevroe @tantek If I had to choose, I’d finish the Twitterification of my site. ;-) So, likes, retweets, replies showing up on my site.
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gRegorLove Backfeed is probably the easiest to set up. Authenticate to Bridgy with your Twitter and it will monitor replies to tweets (which include a link to your site) and it builds a microformat version of the reply and sends a webmention to your original.
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tantek hah, Twitterification could mean both ;)
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gRegorLove finds an example
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cdevroe @chrisaldrich Thanks! This seems to be one of, if not the, missing piece! I was looking on the Brid.by site for how Brid.by worked with my site, and I didn’t see anything. But it makes sense there would be a plugin.
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chrisaldrich GWG has been actively working on it for the past two weeks, so if you see problems, issues, please do file them at https://github.com/dshanske/bridgy-publish/issues
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tantek cdevro, by "likes, retweets, replies showing up on my site" do you mean in response to your posts? or do you mean posting those yourself on your site?
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tantek cdevroe:
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cdevroe @tantek I have the “post to Twitter” thing figured out for my site. I wrote my own plugin (very, very simple plugin)
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tantek perhaps we need a wiki page on setting up WordPress with Bridgy
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cdevroe I wouldn’t mind pushing that off to Brid.gy if it works, but I have that already
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tantek since that is likely a common use-case
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cdevroe I would like responses to show up on my permalinks
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tantek cdevroe, got it, that's what we call Bridgy Backfeed
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cdevroe @tantek I’d be happy to keep some notes as I set this up, which could then be used for said page
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tantek or rather /backfeed in general, and yes Bridgy provides that as a service
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tantek cdevroe want to at least start a stub?
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tantek happy to have you keep your rough notes on the stub
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tantek what is WordPress with Bridgy?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "WordPress with Bridgy" yet. Would you like to create it?
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chrisaldrich Though Bridgy Publish gives you simple checkboxes, it can also be illustrative to read through the about page on bridgy to see what's happening directly. Sometimes handcoding the html can be very instructive for how a lot of indieweb works.
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cdevroe @tantek Sure, give me a few moments and I’ll sign into the wiki and get it started. (if I do something wrong someone bonk me on the head)
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gRegorLove cdevroe: Bridgy generates a page like https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/gRegorLove/823783004774535170/823900355398397952 for replies, then sends a webmention to my original link with that URL as the source.
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tantek amber1, how did you find #indieweb chat?
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cdevroe @gRegorLove Should I expect Bridgy to handle these things retroactivtly?
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gRegorLove No, it's only going forward from when you log in to Bridgy afaik
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tantek ccevroe, likely only for stuff visible on your homepage / silo profiles
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tantek can't type
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tantek cdevroe :)
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cdevroe @gRegorLove OK, because it shows a lot of mentions and things on the site when I’m logged into it
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gRegorLove The polling probably pulls your latest X replies from Twitter. So it might go back a short period.
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tantek chrisaldrich: any HWC LA tonight?
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cdevroe @tantek Do you think this Bridgy to WordPress information should be on the main Bridgy page as a sub-section or as its own page?
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cdevroe @gRegorLove I suppose I was wondering if I should expect a flood of webmentions
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gRegorLove cdevroe: That list of interactions on your Bridgy page, in the right column it will indicate if it sent a webmention to you or if no link was found
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chrisaldrich tantek: I'm doing a small one at the house with a friend tonight because of some location conflicts, but sadly nothing "official" until next month.
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tantek cdevroe - I think it should be part of that "WordPress with Bridgy" page
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cdevroe @gRegorLove And when “no link is found” what does that mean? That no link to my site was found?
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tantek since it is likely someone (like you) showing up will already have WordPress, and just want WordPress-specific instructions in one place for "adding Bridgy" like you asked
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gRegorLove If the tweet they're replying to has your original post link, it sends the webmention to that. Otherwise, Bridgy does some /posse-post-discovery and uses the syndicate-to links it finds on your original feed.
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tantek wonders if he mentions snarfed if he will show up ;)
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gRegorLove Usually "bridgy" is all it takes :)
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chrisaldrich cdevroe: when you first set it up, you can hit the little refresh icon for old ones to send them and that should work, but I think you can only go back so far....
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cdevroe @chrisaldrich :thumbsup:
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cdevroe (no, I’m not using Slack, yes I still typed that)
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tantek chrisaldrich could you add a note about "nothing "official" until next month" to https://indieweb.org/events/2017-01-25-homebrew-website-club#Where ?
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cdevroe @tantek Pardon my infinite ignorance…I do not see “that WordPress with Bridgy” page.
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tantek cdevroe, that's because you haven't create it yet ;)
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tantek here I'll try again
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cdevroe Haha, ok!
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Loqi nice
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tantek what is WordPress with Bridgy?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "WordPress with Bridgy" yet. Would you like to create it?
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cdevroe Holy moly! Loqi you’re awfully handy.
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cdevroe @tantek On it
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tantek cdevroe, that's not the half of it. but please proceed. more Loqi tricks later ;)
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gRegorLove cdevroe: I use the /posse-post-discovery method myself. E.g. https://gregorlove.com/2017/01/really-enjoying-the-group-of/ has the "Also on: Twitter" link with the u-syndication microformats. Bridgy periodically parses my feed and keeps track of that. And when that tweet gets a reply, it uses that to send the webmention to.
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gRegorLove My Twitter copy of that tweet doesn't have to include the original link, that way.
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gRegorLove cdevroe++ :grinning:
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gRegorLove cdevroe: More information for what I was describing: https://brid.gy/about#link
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chrisaldrich cdevroe: In case you haven't found it, https://wordpress.org/plugins/syndication-links/ will give you a field in WP to store the URLs for where you've shared your content to twitter, et al and it will automatically mark them up with the u-syndication portion for bridgy to parse. If I remember correctly, that plugin will also auto-import the URLs for syndicated copies when you use the Bridgy Publish plugin so you don't need to do it manually.
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cdevroe @chrisaldrich Interesting, ok.
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cdevroe I just tested Bridgy Publish. Nothing happened. No errors either. Sigh.
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cdevroe Same thing happened to me with JetPack plugin
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cdevroe So I had to turn it off and write my own
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cdevroe If I ask it to tweet and it doesn’t, it should at least tell me.
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chrisaldrich Do you have the webmentions plugin set up?
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cdevroe I’m also unsure what to expect timing wise. My plugin sends the request immediately, perhaps Bridgy takes a while
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cdevroe @chrisaldrich Yes.
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chrisaldrich Usually within less than a minute it'll propogate. If I remember, the bridgy publish plugin runs a chron-job about 10 seconds after you publish.
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cdevroe It sets up cron? Weird.
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cdevroe I thought perhaps it would queue the request on Bridgy’s service.
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chrisaldrich You might also want to put your URL into the box on your bridgy twitter page and hit "preview" to test/make sure your theme will display the proper output.
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cdevroe It has been five minutes, still nothing. So I’ll take that as a sign it didn’t work. But it also didn’t error or warn.
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chrisaldrich Which sub-plugins in the bigger WP Indieweb Plugin do you have up and running? https://wordpress.org/plugins/indieweb/
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cdevroe Unsure how to share screenshots on here @chrisaldrich but it appears my page is marked up just fine.
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cdevroe This is what the JSON looks like: https://gist.github.com/cdevroe/43cad6dabe3092061d549b3b92da28ef
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cdevroe I’ve been programming for 20 years and I have a hard time wrapping my head around all of these separate pieces. It is no wonder I can’t get my friends to join me in the indieweb! :-) I hope I can help even a little.
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cdevroe @tantek I may not be the person to write this page, but I am keeping notes.
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cdevroe So far they consist of “step 1: Be confused. Step 2: Have nothing work.” :-)
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cdevroe I have a long way to go.
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tantek cdevroe, it sounds like our documentation has a long way to go ;)
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cdevroe I think I totally grok the principles of the indieweb, and the protocols, but not the services that try to help connect everything.
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cdevroe It is almost as if I have to write everything myself. Which I’d rather not do… that is just duplicating work that has likely already been done.
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cdevroe I just can’t seem to find any services that work
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cdevroe (or, work for me)
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cdevroe Others seem to get them to worl
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tantek eventually
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tantek but that's the point, we should be documenting the problems / confusion you're running into because it's very likely you're not the only one
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tantek it should all be as turnkey to setup and get going as possible
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tantek it's right for you to expect that things should "just work"
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chrisaldrich GWG will be on in a few hours and perhaps he can help you trouble shoot (and improve the documentation); it's been a while since I've used Bridgy Publish since I use Social Network Autoposter for most of my syndication process
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cdevroe To an extent. I expect to have to fiddle with a few things.
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cdevroe I should probably homegrow everything like Jeremy anyway
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chrisaldrich I haven't looked at the Bridgy Publish plugin since GWG pushed a bunch of updates in the past week
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cdevroe And just share the source.
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cdevroe I can say, with no reservation, that the Bridgy web site would make no sense to a "mortal"
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@HongPong #Drupal developers, premature to announce but http://drupal.org/project/linkback now has beginnings of D8 inter-site pingbacks type mgmt #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/824339493197139983)
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tantek cdevroe, rather than "mortal", you may find the terms here a bit more generous: indieweb.org/generations
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chrisaldrich cdevroe, in BP, do you have "Set Twitter from Post Excerpt" checked, and if so, is there content in that field?
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gRegorLove cdevroe: Even the about page? https://brid.gy/about (not necessarily disagreeing)
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hongpong cdevroe yeah i find bridgy confusing and wish it had animations to illustrate what it does
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cdevroe BTW, this is the really, really simple PHP code I use to tweet my posts now: https://gist.github.com/cdevroe/972f35b1edd13962a780d1b301c056c0 (nothing special at all)
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cdevroe @chrisaldrich I do not.
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gRegorLove Bridgy issues can also be filed here: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy
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cdevroe @gRegorLove I’ll have to dig to find the actual issue. Since it didn’t err
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tantek cdevroe, I wrote my own (much more complicated) PHP code to POSSE to Twitter because - so many edge cases
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gRegorLove Wait, I thought you were trying to backfeed replies, not publish
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cdevroe @tantek In my case I wrote my own simply because I’m a bit picky with how the status actually is constructed (as you can see).
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cdevroe @gRegorLove I was told to begin with BP plugin
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cdevroe So I was trying to get that to work
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gRegorLove Oh. Ok
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gRegorLove I guess that might be easiest, but I don't think it will get replies back on your site.
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tantek cdevroe, I was *extremely* picky. hence I documented a lot of my thinking in excruciating detail here: https://indieweb.org/Twitter#POSSE_to_Twitter
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cdevroe No, I didn’t expect it to do that.
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cdevroe I appreciate everyone’s help, I really do. But I feel like I have to go back to the drawing board here and not waste everyone else’s time. I’m sure I’ll get it.
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gRegorLove Not a waste of time. It's good information to know we need to improve the documentation
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gRegorLove Feel like we threw a wall of information at you, hope it wasn't overwhelming
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tantek cdevroe please at least braindump your questions and confusions on that wiki page
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tantek we can clean it up with answers later incrementally
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tantek none of that is wasting anyone's time
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gRegorLove Or add Qs to https://indieweb.org/bridgy
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tantek gRegorLove: I'd rather capture the much more specific WordPress with Bridgy questions / confusion
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tantek because I think that reflects a specific perspective we need to pay particularly close attention to
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tantek we can abstract more general Bridgy FAQ from that
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miklb cdevroe I just recently switched to indie WP from indie Jekyll, and feel what you are saying. I'd be glad to share any insight I can on the switch.
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gRegorLove It does look like Bridgy sent some "like" webmentions to you based on https://brid.gy/twitter/cdevroe
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@calum_ryan HWC London back up and running fortnightly for 2017 #indieweb https://twitter.com/calum_ryan/status/824342039181586432/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/824342039181586432)
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tantek nice!
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cdevroe @miklb I’d totally be up for that. Can we video chat at some point?
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cdevroe I can also buy as much beer as anyone can drink. ;-)
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miklb cdevroe sure. One evening this week? I'm EST
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chrisaldrich cdevroe: I just installed and tested Bridgy Publish myself: https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/status/824341820809285632 and it seems to be working. I suspect that you may be missing some precursor piece (or setting) in the bigger Indieweb plugin. Is your site sending webmentions properly?
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@ChrisAldrich Testing out Bridgy Publish https://wordpress.org/plugins/bridgy-publish/: http://wp.me/p4yWq5-3LDtr https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3Cmg8PUMAAjcOd.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/824341820809285632)
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miklb but keep late hours
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cdevroe @tantek I’m bookmarking that page right meow (your POSSE Twitter notes) because I’d still like to retain control there in some way
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cdevroe @chrisaldrich As far as I know it is… Jeremy’s site has a number of mentions showing from me
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cdevroe @miklb I too am on the best American coast.
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gRegorLove cdevroe: I tried sending your post a webmention. I got an HTTP 409 response.
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cdevroe @gRegorLove Odd.
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gRegorLove Which plugin are you using for webmention?
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cdevroe @gRegorLove https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-webmention
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gRegorLove Hmm, actually, looks like I sent the webmention twice (second on update of my post). The first went through OK, response 200. Second one responed 409.
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gRegorLove Does it show up as a comment in the WP admin? Original: https://gregorlove.com/2017/01/testing-sending-a-webmention-ping/
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] Testing sending a webmention. Ping.
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cdevroe @gRegorLove Yes, but it was marked as SPAM automatically
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cdevroe No idea why
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cdevroe But I do see it
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Zegnat Ping pfefferle? Hè might be online, he is CET right?
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gRegorLove WP is heavy-handed marking those as spam. GWG probably knows more; I think there's a way to make it less likely to do that.
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Zegnat Loqi, what time is it for pfefferle?
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Zegnat aaronpk, can we get that as a feature? ^^^ ;)
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gRegorLove cdevroe: Cool, well we know webmention receiving is working, so that's an important first step for Bridgy :)
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gRegorLove Loqi, when in the world is pfefferle?
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tantek who is pfefferle?
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Loqi https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Notizblog.org
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cdevroe @gRegorLove You can now see your WM here http://cdevroe.com/2017/01/25/4375/
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Loqi Giving Brid.gy a spin. Hopefully it can do a few of the indieweb things I'd like on my site.
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chrisaldrich cdevroe, somewhere (on the wiki) I think there's a snippet of code you can dump into function.php to automatically accept all incoming webmentions (primarily as they haven't been a heavy instance of spam thus far). Akismet has been working on improving the acceptance/rejection of them in their spam filter.
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gRegorLove What is Semantic Linkbacks?
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Loqi Semantic Linkbacks is a WordPress plugin that upgrades the presentation of linkback notifications (like Trackback, Pingback, or Webmention*) from the ugly default pingback presentation of "[…] random text excerpt […]" to a much more meaningful and user-friendly display as comments, reposts, likes, and favorites, detected using microformats2 markup from the source of the linkback https://indieweb.org/Semantic_Linkbacks
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miklb cdevroe I snagged this from GWG to unspam webmentions https://gist.github.com/miklb/5f06c91eaa494bab663917099ec786e5
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Zegnat tantek, most of us have proper timezone names on IRC_People, but there isn't any way to mark it up for Loqi.
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gRegorLove ^ That plugin should let your site show my actual comment instead of "mentioned on..."
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cdevroe @chrisaldrich Honestly, I do not mind them going into SPAM at all. I moderate them all anyway. I would never want to open it up as I get _a lot_ of Trackback spam
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chrisaldrich Here's the details: * Temporary Code to accept all webmentions as suggested by snarfed at https://github.com/indieweb/wordpress-indieweb/issues/38 (for WordPress)
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chrisaldrich There's still some subtle work in WP webmentions for the comment to show up properly, and I think some of it depends on how they're sent. I occasionally have to change some metadata in my database directly to get webmentions to show as a native reply instead of the "mentioned on".
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gRegorLove cdevroe: http://cdevroe.com/2017/01/25/dreamhost-supports-micro-blog/ should have a webmention from Bridgy now (maybe in spam again)
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Loqi Dreamhost supports Micro.blog
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cdevroe @gRegorLove Nothing so far.
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gRegorLove Based on https://brid.gy/twitter/cdevroe at least. Shows sent there.
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cdevroe @gRegorLove Is the “micro.blog” URL messing that up somehow? Because the title has a URL in it?
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gRegorLove No, it shouldn't. Bridgy's just finding all the links and trying to send webmentions to them individually.
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cdevroe So the Bridgy service is picking up my mentions and it attempting to send a webmention to my blog but my blog isn’t picking it up. And we don’t know why.
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cdevroe Is that a fair way to put it
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gRegorLove If it doesn't show up, maybe the webmention plugin has logs
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gRegorLove At least in this instance, that appears to be the case, yeah.
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gRegorLove The Bridgy log seems to indicate the webmention was sent successfully. https://brid.gy/log?start_time=1485374353&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyNQsSCFJlc3BvbnNlIid0YWc6dHdpdHRlci5jb20sMjAxMzo4MjQzNDU2MzQzNTQzMTkzNjEM
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[keithjgrant] Have you checked for webmentions both with/without the trailing slash?
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aaronpk what time is it for Zegnat?
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Loqi In Zegnat's timezone, Europe/Amsterdam, it is currently 9:07pm on January 25
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gRegorLove cdevroe: You can try manually re-sending the webmention too. The source URL is https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/cdevroe/824282353279336452/824345634354319361
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] Testing a Twitter reply that Bridgy should attempt to send a webmention for.
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gRegorLove I don't know the WP Webmention plugin. Sounds like it's having an error storing it (if it doesn't show up in spam or anywhere else), or maybe rejecting it for some reason.
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gRegorLove What time is it for aaronpk?
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Loqi In aaronpk's timezone, US/Pacific, it is currently 12:09pm on January 25
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gRegorLove Niiiice
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gRegorLove aaronpk++
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cdevroe @gRegorLove Even resending it via the Bridgy interface didn’t seem to do it. Though, again, it didn’t error.
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aaronpk tries from telegraph
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aaronpk did that work?
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gRegorLove !tell GWG Does the WordPress Webmention plugin do any logging for received wm? cdevroe is having issues with Bridgy wm not showing up anywhere, even in spam.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk it returned http://cdevroe.com/2017/01/25/dreamhost-supports-micro-blog/#comment-73
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Loqi Dreamhost supports Micro.blog
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cdevroe @aaronpk That worked.
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cdevroe Though, the URLs in the mention aren’t anything useful (they don’t point to Twitter)
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cdevroe But the webmention came through
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aaronpk oh really? i thought the wordpress plugin pulled out the twitter URL from the bridgy webmention
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gRegorLove Semantic Linkbacks might be the plugin that does that part
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aaronpk ahh
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aaronpk i cannot keep the wordpress plugins straight
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cdevroe This is what came in https://gist.github.com/cdevroe/d7247ae53f86a008d88f2f0ea94590c8
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gRegorLove Heh, yeah, it's confusing :/
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cdevroe @aaronpk You and me both
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cdevroe Oh, also
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cdevroe @aaronpk++
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cdevroe For 100 days of indieweb
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cdevroe For smashing it
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cdevroe Awesome stuff.
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aaronpk aw thanks
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cdevroe @gRegorLove Are you saying I need another plugin? haha
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Loqi hehe
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cdevroe Maybe I should just install all plugins
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cdevroe wp-cli install plugin *.*
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cdevroe ;-)
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gRegorLove Hahaha
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cdevroe @gRegorLove Semantic Linkbacks. I have it. Not activated.
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dgold is somewhat embarassed to admit that he only realised the 'slack' was an irc channel about ten minutes ago
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tantek cdevroe does the /WordPress page not say exactly which plugins to start with and use?
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gRegorLove Well, in the long-term: probably. Semantic Linkbacks gives much better display of webmention comments. Like my comment would actually show up, not just a link to it.
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tantek dgold that's a feature :D
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gRegorLove In the short term, I'd say no. It's only presentationl stuff; probably easier to make sure Bridgy and webmentions are playing nicely with the current plugins.
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cdevroe @tantek It likely does.. A few months back I gave this whole dance a spin and installed everything. Not a thing worked so I deactivated them all.
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aaronpk dgold: that's a sign the integration is seamless so I am pleased :)
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gRegorLove cdevroe: Are you still making Barley?
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tantek cdevroe, sorry to hear "not a thing worked" that's pretty bad
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[keithjgrant] Static site peeps: what do you use to automate sending webmentions when you write a new post?
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miklb [keithjgrant] when I used Jekyll it was in a rake task
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KevinMarks I don't, Keith but I'm thinking about that for mention tech
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KevinMarks The challenge is knowing what updated
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voxpelli I don't yet, but I plan to base it on my WebSub/PuSH-feed
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voxpelli Possibly through this: https://github.com/aaronpk/Telegraph/issues/13
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aaronpk oh yeah
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[keithjgrant] Yeah, based on PuSH would be slick
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KevinMarks Websub would be a good way to do that, yes
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KevinMarks Though I don't generate websub for kevinmarks.com either
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cdevroe @tantek I’m in this thing for the long haul, so I’ll get it figured out.
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cdevroe @gRegorLove No, sold the rights the codebase. Working at an agency now.
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tantek cdevroe, same here, hence we want to use your experience to improve (simplify) the figuring out for the next person
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aaronpk what is barley?
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Loqi Barley is a hosted, inline-editing CMS built by Colin Devroe https://indieweb.org/Barley
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snarfed cdevroe++ agreed. thank you for sticking with it, and for all the feedback! much appreciated, and clearly needed.
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voxpelli I simply build and send pings to my WebSub hub – so I ping a bit more than needed – but thinking it's up to the client at the other end to deal with it
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snarfed fwiw i filed https://github.com/dshanske/bridgy-publish/issues/21 to capture one small part of your problems
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cdevroe @snarfed Yes, please don’t take any of my comments as negative criticism. My main frustration, so far, has been two main things: Not knowing what to do after connecting Twitter/Facebook to Bridgy. And, that Bridgy nor the Bridgy plugin erred (or warned) when something didn’t work.
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tantek what is Getting Started With Bridgy?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Getting Started With Bridgy" yet. Would you like to create it?
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snarfed totally understood! my high level impression is that looking at https://indieweb.org/generations , bridgy's product/UX may be ready for gen 1 and 2, but probably not 3 and 4 yet.
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cdevroe @snarfed I wrote and published a status update to my blog and everything seemed to work. But the tweet or post to FB never happened.
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cdevroe @snarfed According to that page I’m Gen 1.
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snarfed definitely! the wordpress bridgy publish plugin probably just needs more iterating. the bug i filed would be a big step.
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cdevroe I connect my FB account to Bridgy and the site says “refresh in 1 minute”… I do that and it shows me a bunch of things it has found on my site with no instruction on what to do next. I would think the next thing woudl be “Connect your blog” and you’d either grab the appropriate WP plugins or start writing code if your blog is homegrown
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cdevroe @snarfed++ for the issue
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snarfed sure! it already does some of that to check that your site accept webmentions, that your silo account and posts are public, etc
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snarfed more tutorial based on whether the initial batch sent any wms or not is a good idea. filing an issue now
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snarfed done, https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/721
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cdevroe @snarfed I commited a super, duper simple PR so that I have that workflow down. https://github.com/dshanske/bridgy-publish/pull/22 Will look into doing more work on this while it is fresh in my mind
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snarfed cdevroe++
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cdevroe @snarfed @gRegorLove @tantek Does this look like a good outline to follow as I/we fill this in?
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cdevroe https://indieweb.org/WordPress_with_Bridgy
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cdevroe Someone also mentioned a graphic
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cdevroe Once I fully understand all that Bridgy is attempting to do, I might be able to draw something on the back of a napkin
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snarfed cdevroe: lgtm, thanks!
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GWG Good afternoon. Can't believe I am again taking a break so late in the day, causing me to miss WordPress and Bridgy talk
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Loqi GWG: gRegorLove left you a message 37 minutes ago: Does the WordPress Webmention plugin do any logging for received wm? cdevroe is having issues with Bridgy wm not showing up anywhere, even in spam.
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GWG pfefferle and I compromised on logging.
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GWG We put in the hooks so they could be logged, but classified it as an add on function that could be developed separately.
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tantek cdevroe - I added a little formatting - can you review that I kept your intent? https://indieweb.org/WordPress_with_Bridgy
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cdevroe @tantek So long as Bridgy helps with all of those listed things, I believe that’d be a great document to have.
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GWG cdevroe, anything I can do to help with the WordPress plugin side of things?
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tantek GWG, I think snarfed filed an issue
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GWG I read it.
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tantek GWG, re: anything, I think more like everything
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GWG I was going to add error handling at some point anyway
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cdevroe @GWG I think the most useful thing (for me personally) would be to know “What are the steps for adding Bridgy support to my site”
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cdevroe Which @tantek helped to outline on the wiki
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tantek GWG, according to cdevroe, by installing everything our wiki says to install, "not a thing worked": https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-01-25/1485375370278000
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GWG tantek, I need more hours in the day
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Loqi [cdevroe] @tantek It likely does.. A few months back I gave this whole dance a spin and installed everything. Not a thing worked so I deactivated them all....
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cdevroe And, it sounds like the answer is… “Connect to Bridgy. Add these 10 plugins”
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tantek so it sounds like all plugins are guilty until debugged at this point
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GWG cdevroe, it is our number one problem. Splintering
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cdevroe @GWG Then, once you do that.. if you publish something it “appears” to work…. but you go to the social networks and don’t see anything
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tantek GWG, I would say the number one problem is a new WordPress user just getting *something* to work
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cdevroe So, then you don’t know where to start picking
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cdevroe If I only had 1 plugin, I think I could debug the issue. But in this case I have a lot and a service to figure out
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GWG cdevroe, I would like some help figuring out how to best address that. Some of the problems are platform
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GWG There is no log system in WordPress. So errors go to the web server error log if you don't build one
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tantek I'm glad cdevroe is providing the user perspective that multiple plugins is actually *worse* for usability
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cdevroe I’m thinking a WordPress Indieweb “pack” need to be created. Plugin(s) + Theme
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cdevroe Even if the theme is vanilla Bootstrap.
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GWG The problem is not everyone wants everything. And the compromises we made to address that creates issues
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GWG I would like to see some merged.
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cdevroe @GWG I can understand that. I can totally see where the issue arose.
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tantek GWG, having nothing work by default seems the worst though
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tantek somehow there was too much compromising
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cdevroe Some may want to show favorites on their site, others not, some likely just want to POSSE others just want webmention, etc.
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GWG cdevroe, I am not sure how we address it.
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GWG For some of it, feel free to blame my poor coding skills
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cdevroe @GWG I am not placing blame on anyone or anything. I really want to help.
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cdevroe Still have more learning to do before I can I think.
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cdevroe It’s all very simple once broken down.
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GWG tantek, do you remember last summer when you suggested that identity functionality be added to the Indieweb plugin?
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cdevroe But a single WP plugin that does everything would be fairly cumbersome
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GWG cdevroe, I would like to merge along some logical lines and try to ensure they work together.
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[cleverdevil] As a followup to our contribution to manton's Kickstarter campaign, we're planning on working on making a streamlined, pre-configured Indie microblog with WordPress at DreamHost.
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GWG cdevroe, Webmention functionality is split into two pieces: Webmention and Semantic Linkbacks. One is plumbing, the other is presentational.
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[cleverdevil] I tend to agree that a simplified, pre-packaged WordPress setup would go a long way to driving Indieweb adoption.
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aaronpk [cleverdevil]: wow that's awesome! using micro.blog or ...?
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tantek cdevroe: worse than cumbersome is a single WP plugin that does nothing
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GWG Who is going to make the tough decisions though?
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tantek GWG, when something confuses enough beginners, that's justification for a design change
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[cleverdevil] aaronpk it remains to be seen, but the idea would be that people could create Indie microblog that is hosted at DreamHost and is "compatible" with Micro.blog and other Indie microblogs.
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aaronpk that's awesome. like installed via the one-click thing?
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GWG pfefferle and I are probably the top contributors, followed by snarfed
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GWG Chrisaldrich is the most active user right now
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cdevroe [cleverdevil]: Not having used micro.blog yet… wouldn’t _any_ WordPress installation work with Micro.blog since it uses RSS?
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[cleverdevil] aaronpk yup.
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tantek cdevroe: RSS doesn't really work with anything IndieWeb except for 2003 era functionality, because RSS never defined how to post a like, reply, repost, etc.
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tantek so "work with X since it uses RSS" gives you very little actual functionality
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[cleverdevil] there's that, and also you still have to properly configure your WordPress to behave.
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[cleverdevil] all of this is very complex, sadly.
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tantek nothing that anyone would consider "social media" or actual modern indieweb functionality
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cdevroe @tantek Totally understood
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tantek cleverdevil, very complex, and frankly, too fragile as well (at least for a WordPress indieweb setup)
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aaronpk to be fair, dreamhost does the best job of maintaining wordpress installs tho
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tantek in 2014, snarfed and others help setup Dan Gillmore's WordPress blog with amazing indieweb functionality, both POSSE and backfeed, fully functional, he loved it
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tantek it worked GREAT
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tantek until he moved hosts
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cdevroe I thought Micro.blog was more an RSS reader that gave you the ability to reply using your own WordPress install. I didn’t realize Manton was going to put all of the indieweb protocols in it as well. That’s great. (Shows what I know, being that I backed it)
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tantek and then it was impossible to get working again
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chrisaldrich cleverdevil: We've been having Homebrew Website Club meet ups for Indieweb on the East side of LA for a while, would you/DreamHost have space to host in-person meetups at your LA offices in the future?
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[cleverdevil] We've got a lot of WordPress talent inside of DreamHost, and I'd really love all of this to be simpler.
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GWG tantek, whenever I outline the WordPress problems, we never seem to figure out the right moves. I think I need to find help
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[cleverdevil] I know that the general principals are also shared by Matt Mullenweg.
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tantek GWG, start with even experienced developers (e.g. cdevroe) can't get simple things to work
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[cleverdevil] chrisaldrich absolutely, we have an office in downtown LA and we have an office in Orange County (Brea).
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tantek ask them what they tried, what was the result, and find out what *specifically* went wrong
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tantek cleverdevil++
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GWG cdevroe, willing to help me figure out what led you where?
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[cleverdevil] Also, I'll take any and all feedback on what we could do as a host to make all of this better.
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[cleverdevil] Our major focus at the moment is getting people excited about owning their own website (and entire digital identity).
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chrisaldrich cleverdevil, do you have a phone number we could chat at offline to set up some details?
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[manton] cdevroe Might take a little while to get everything IndieWeb in there, but that's the eventual goal. I'm committed to Micropub and microformats, and still exploring how best to support Webmention. (Might be partial support with more later.)
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cdevroe @GSG Of course.
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[cleverdevil] chrisaldrich yup, PM incoming.
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cdevroe @GWG ^
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aaronpk hm PMs between slack and IRC won't work :)
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[cleverdevil] :wink:
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[cleverdevil] I used to connect here via IRC, but I'm on so many Slacks now that it just made sense to consolidate everything that way :stuck_out_tongue:
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cdevroe @[manton] How will micro.blog handle mentions and replies _without_ WM?
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[cleverdevil] chrisaldrich just hit me up via email at jonathan at dreamhost dot com.
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chrisaldrich cleverdevil, you can find my phone number/email etc in my h-card at http://boffosocko.com
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Loqi Chris Aldrich
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cdevroe @[cleverdevil] :wave: I mentioned you on my blog this morning. Didn’t know that was you over there.
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cdevroe Are the bracketed usernames Slack users? That is interesting.
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[cleverdevil] Howdy howdy :slightly_smiling_face:
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[cleverdevil] chrisaldrich I'll send you a quick email and we can coordinate a time to chat on the phone, I am in and out of meetings at the moment.
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ben_thatmustbeme cdevroe: yeah, aaronpkworking out quite a nice tie in between the two
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chrisaldrich sounds good cleverdevil...
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ben_thatmustbeme s/working/ worked/
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GWG cdevroe, could you tell me the story of the day you decided to Indiewebify your site?
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chrisaldrich thinks it's time to do another semi-annual updating of the WordPress wiki pages. Perhaps getting slimming down /getting_started_on_WordPress to the minimum set for basic functionality would be the best place to start and then push the rest into additional pages.
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[manton] cdevroe Replies are kind of the weakest area right now, more centralized. I'm trying to do a couple things at once (including the Safe Replies feature which matters a lot to me) so that part is evolving more slowly. I'm a fan of Webmention though and think that's the goal. First step to me is getting more people their own microblog so that the infrastructure for cross-site replies is even possible.
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tantek chrisaldrich: yes. getting started really should be about getting *started*
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tantek manton, totally understand (and encourage) incremental webmention support
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tantek IMO sending is easier to start with
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[manton] tantek Thanks. That's exactly what I was thinking too. Since there are 2 sides, can be done in phases hopefully.
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cdevroe @GWG Would you like to Skype?
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cdevroe I can do so in about 20/30 minutes.
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GWG cdevroe, still at work
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chrisaldrich What is JetPack?
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Loqi Jetpack is a WordPress plugin that adds many site management tools including visitor stats, security services, performance improvements, and syndication options https://indieweb.org/Jetpack
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tantek I think we set a new HWC cities record for today with *8* AFAIK
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KevinMarks_ What are safe replies?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "safe replies" yet. Would you like to create it?
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@t Record eight cities host Homebrew Website Club meetups today! https://indieweb.org/events/2017-01-25-homebrew-website-club#Where Nürnberg, Brighton, ... http://tantek.com/2017/025/t2 (twitter.com/_/status/824389558259290114)
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tantek KevinMarks, do you actually know or are you asking to understand? (I'm not familiar with the phrase)
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@100daysindieweb Day 36: Parsing h-review with XRay #100DaysOfIndieWeb: https://aaronparecki.com/2017/01/25/14/day-36-xray-hreview (twitter.com/_/status/824389844977618944)
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aaronpk [manton] referenced it earlier
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tantek I remember that
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KevinMarks_ I'm asking to understand - I'd like to hear what [manton] means
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@dougmckown I just backed Indie Microblogging: owning your short-form writing on @Kickstarter https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/manton/indie-microblogging-owning-your-short-form-writing?ref=thanks_tweet #indieweb @manton2 (twitter.com/_/status/824396955241644033)
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martymcguire[m] HWC Baltimore spinning up our quiet writing hour
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@davidmead @cdevroe @schnarfed I see you’ve found the #indieweb IRC ? Did that help? in reply to: > @schnarfed @davidmead I’… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/824400792119611393 (twitter.com/_/status/824400792119611393)
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tantek martymcguire++
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