#indieweb 2017-01-25

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Zegnat
Good morning IndieWeb
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@kevinmarks
Back in 2008, before "fake news" was a meme, @aaronsw started a novel about tech controlling attention http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/bubblecity #indieweb
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Back in 2008, before "fake news" was a meme, @aaronsw started a novel about tech controlling attention http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/bubblecity #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-01-25 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/back-in-2008-before-fake-news-was-a-meme-aaronsw
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[dgold]
the webmention page of indiewebify me appears to be kaput
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cweiske
I also get a HTTP 500 error
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[dgold]
just found that too, cweiske
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Loqi
[indienews] New post: "Days 1 to 10 of #100daysofindieweb" https://seblog.nl/2017/01/25/3/days-1-to-10-of-100daysofindieweb
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Loqi
sebsel has 11 karma in this channel (12 overall)
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KevinMarks_
So is 10 days a new fortnight?
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KartikPrabhu
10 days was called a decade in the French revolutionary calendar
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ben_thatmustbeme
KevinMarks_: its a metric fortnight :P
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sebsel
It's two weeks in Tanteks newcal :)
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KevinMarks_
3 new weeks could be a fiftnight
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Zegnat
Guess I'll do my own personal HWC at the Amsterdam Apple Store. Anything topical today?
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hongpong
i cleaned up a drupal 8 module that could be used to do webmentions https://github.com/HongPong/linkback awaiting some attention: https://www.drupal.org/node/2758041 (linkback would be successor to D7 vinculum, and be modular re pingbacks, webmentions). mostly was done by aleix who is looking it over again today
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Zegnat
Nice work hongpong. Looks like the Drupal crowd really is getting things going after the W3C standard track hit.
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Zegnat
What is Drupal?
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Loqi
Drupal is a popular open source content management system https://indieweb.org/Drupal
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Zegnat
If you can, you might want to add the link on that wiki page ^^^
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@gRegorLove
@etportis Hi Eric! Yeah, we have a Homebrew Website Club meetup every two weeks. Next will be Feburary 8. I'll send you an invite. #indieweb
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gRegorLove
Wonder why my pushes with "indieweb" don't show up here. Maybe because I'm using http://gregorlove.superfeedr.com/ instead of their main one?
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tantek
Zegnat - did you add it to the wiki?
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tantek
Zegnat - no sign of anything Netherlands / Amsterdam here! https://indieweb.org/events/2017-01-25-homebrew-website-club - perhaps add it last minute and see if you can get anyone?
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bjoern
Greetings from HWC Nuremberg, this time without snowman
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@gRegorLove
@etportis There’s talk of a Seattle IndieWebCamp this year, too: https://indieweb.org/Planning#Seattle
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bjoern
picture coming soon
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Zegnat
tantek, I think I added to the wiki that we aren't on today because of scheduling conflicts?
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Zegnat
Which is true. I am only online right now because the Apple Store has free WiFi and I am waiting for my appointment.
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Zegnat
sebsel is at a different meet-up, petermolnar isn't in the country, so there were no organisers today. Both sebsel and I will be back at HWC the Netherlands in 2 weeks. I am guessing we will be in Utrecht again, where we were 2 weeks ago as well.
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tantek
ok fair
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Anyone know if you can modify WordPress’ “PressThis” bookmarklet to set the post format automatically? #indieweb" by Scott Kingery on 2017-01-25 http://techlifeweb.com/15200-2/
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@TechLifeWeb
Anyone know if you can modify WordPress’ “PressThis” bookmarklet to set the post format automatically? #indieweb
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hongpong
thank you Zegnat . once we have a commit on the real project i will add it back to indieweb. i already set notices on the vinculum issues, that we are moving to more easily understood "linkback" community contrib module for Drupal 8. with luck, traction on global sprint day
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@jkphl
Homebrew Website Clubbin' in Nuremberg again! #indieweb https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/824315601871114240/photo/1
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@ChrisAldrich
Want to know who's talking about #indieweb on Twitter? I've got a "bot" that compiles a list: https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/lists/tweets-indieweb/members
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Want to know who's talking about #indieweb on Twitter? I've got a "bot" that compiles a list: https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/lists/tweets-indieweb/members" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-01-25 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/want-to-know-whos-talking-about-indieweb-on-twitter-ive
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hongpong
the code has been added to the repo and cleanup is proceeding before a dev release: https://www.drupal.org/project/linkback
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hongpong
they made me and aleix as co maintainers so we can move things ahead nicely
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adactio
Anyone got a recommendation for an h-feed to RSS converter?
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Loqi
adactio: aaronpk left you a message on 2016-12-22 at 4:19pm UTC: looks like you have a stray "p-name" class on your comment template. if you remove the p-name from the line that links to the permalink, and move it to the e-content element instead, the inline previews like https://chat.indieweb.org/2016-12-22#t1482423477475000 will look better!
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Loqi
adactio: tantek left you a message 1 week, 6 days ago: got a photo from HWC to add to https://indieweb.org/events/2017-01-11-homebrew-website-club#Photos ?
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gRegorLove
What is Granary?
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tantek
what is an h-feed to RSS converter?
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Loqi
granary is a library and REST API that frees you from social network API chaff and and exposes the sweet social data foodstuff inside as HTML and JSON with microformats2, ActivityStreams, Atom, XML, and more https://indieweb.org/granary
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "h-feed to RSS converter" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10Z7
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gRegorLove
adactio: Granary ^
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tantek
I thought unmung did a better job
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tantek
what is Unmung?
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Loqi
Unmung is a service that turns Atom and RSS feeds into h-feeds https://indieweb.org/unmung
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tantek
hmm - thought it also did the reverse
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tantek
adactio, how is HWC Brighton going?
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tantek
photo reminder! :)
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snarfed
tantek: feel free to file granary issues if you know of specific problems :P
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tantek
snarfed, if I hear of any (from people using it to convert my h-feed to RSS) :P
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adactio
Sorry, I should've been more specific: I'm looking for a hosted service. (the only one linked to from the microformats wiki is an old Yahoo Pipes thing)
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gRegorLove
Granary's worked great for me. I have a redirect to it for my notes Atom feed.
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tantek
pours one out for Yahoo Pipes
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tantek
pours one out for Yahoo
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snarfed
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gRegorLove
adactio: I use Granary as a hosted service for mine
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adactio
gRegorLove: is there an endpoint I can use?
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gRegorLove
It's snarfed's baby, so he can also answer any questions. Responsive to bug reports too :)
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gRegorLove
Despite the "demo" in the name he's cool with us using it. I checked :)
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snarfed
pines for an open source equivalent of bribing SREs at google with whiskey
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cdevroe
Good afternoon everyone. I was wondering if anyone had a moment to spare to explain how to use Brid.gy? I’ve tried three times and I cannot figure out how to use the site/service at all. And I read the FAQ. Am I missing anything?
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tantek
cdevroe - what do you want to do with Bridgy?
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tantek
(it does multiple things)
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tantek
and welcome!
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cdevroe
Hello T! Long time. Well, I was envious of David Mead’s set up (and Jeremy’s) and I wrote about it here: http://cdevroe.com/2017/01/23/the-slow-web-and-posse/ — In that I list a few things that I cannot do currently that I would like to. Most noteably, post to Facebook directly from my site and show likes/retweets on my site. Rather than continue to build upon the simple WordPress plugin I have now, that posts to Twitter, Mead
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cdevroe
suggested Brid.gy so I looked into it. And I’m sort of baffled by it. It doesn’t seem to do anything and I feel like I don’t know what I’m looking at.
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Loqi
The slow web and POSSE
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amber1
Hi everyone, this is my first time on indieweb chat
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tantek
welcome amber1!
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tantek
cdevroe, sounds like you want to use both features of Bridgy, Bridgy Backfeed, and Bridgy Publish
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calumryan
Three of us reviewing what we’ve all been doing for our websites over the past month at HWC London
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tantek
they are different, so better for you to focus on which one you want to get to work first
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gRegorLove
cdevroe: Do you receive / send webmention?
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chrisaldrich
cdevroe: GWG has a nice WordPress plugin called Bridgy Publish that should automatically handle the WP to Bridgy portion for publishing to several services like Twitter, etc. https://wordpress.org/plugins/bridgy-publish/
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cdevroe
@tantek If I had to choose, I’d finish the Twitterification of my site. ;-) So, likes, retweets, replies showing up on my site.
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gRegorLove
Backfeed is probably the easiest to set up. Authenticate to Bridgy with your Twitter and it will monitor replies to tweets (which include a link to your site) and it builds a microformat version of the reply and sends a webmention to your original.
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tantek
hah, Twitterification could mean both ;)
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gRegorLove
finds an example
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cdevroe
@chrisaldrich Thanks! This seems to be one of, if not the, missing piece! I was looking on the Brid.by site for how Brid.by worked with my site, and I didn’t see anything. But it makes sense there would be a plugin.
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chrisaldrich
GWG has been actively working on it for the past two weeks, so if you see problems, issues, please do file them at https://github.com/dshanske/bridgy-publish/issues
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tantek
cdevro, by "likes, retweets, replies showing up on my site" do you mean in response to your posts? or do you mean posting those yourself on your site?
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tantek
cdevroe:
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cdevroe
@tantek I have the “post to Twitter” thing figured out for my site. I wrote my own plugin (very, very simple plugin)
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tantek
perhaps we need a wiki page on setting up WordPress with Bridgy
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cdevroe
I wouldn’t mind pushing that off to Brid.gy if it works, but I have that already
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tantek
since that is likely a common use-case
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cdevroe
I would like responses to show up on my permalinks
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tantek
cdevroe, got it, that's what we call Bridgy Backfeed
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cdevroe
@tantek I’d be happy to keep some notes as I set this up, which could then be used for said page
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tantek
or rather /backfeed in general, and yes Bridgy provides that as a service
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tantek
cdevroe want to at least start a stub?
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tantek
happy to have you keep your rough notes on the stub
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tantek
what is WordPress with Bridgy?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "WordPress with Bridgy" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10Z8
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chrisaldrich
Though Bridgy Publish gives you simple checkboxes, it can also be illustrative to read through the about page on bridgy to see what's happening directly. Sometimes handcoding the html can be very instructive for how a lot of indieweb works.
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cdevroe
@tantek Sure, give me a few moments and I’ll sign into the wiki and get it started. (if I do something wrong someone bonk me on the head)
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gRegorLove
cdevroe: Bridgy generates a page like https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/gRegorLove/823783004774535170/823900355398397952 for replies, then sends a webmention to my original link with that URL as the source.
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tantek
amber1, how did you find #indieweb chat?
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cdevroe
@gRegorLove Should I expect Bridgy to handle these things retroactivtly?
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gRegorLove
No, it's only going forward from when you log in to Bridgy afaik
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tantek
ccevroe, likely only for stuff visible on your homepage / silo profiles
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tantek
can't type
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tantek
cdevroe :)
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cdevroe
@gRegorLove OK, because it shows a lot of mentions and things on the site when I’m logged into it
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gRegorLove
The polling probably pulls your latest X replies from Twitter. So it might go back a short period.
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tantek
chrisaldrich: any HWC LA tonight?
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cdevroe
@tantek Do you think this Bridgy to WordPress information should be on the main Bridgy page as a sub-section or as its own page?
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cdevroe
@gRegorLove I suppose I was wondering if I should expect a flood of webmentions
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gRegorLove
cdevroe: That list of interactions on your Bridgy page, in the right column it will indicate if it sent a webmention to you or if no link was found
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chrisaldrich
tantek: I'm doing a small one at the house with a friend tonight because of some location conflicts, but sadly nothing "official" until next month.
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tantek
cdevroe - I think it should be part of that "WordPress with Bridgy" page
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cdevroe
@gRegorLove And when “no link is found” what does that mean? That no link to my site was found?
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tantek
since it is likely someone (like you) showing up will already have WordPress, and just want WordPress-specific instructions in one place for "adding Bridgy" like you asked
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gRegorLove
If the tweet they're replying to has your original post link, it sends the webmention to that. Otherwise, Bridgy does some /posse-post-discovery and uses the syndicate-to links it finds on your original feed.
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tantek
wonders if he mentions snarfed if he will show up ;)
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gRegorLove
Usually "bridgy" is all it takes :)
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chrisaldrich
cdevroe: when you first set it up, you can hit the little refresh icon for old ones to send them and that should work, but I think you can only go back so far....
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cdevroe
(no, I’m not using Slack, yes I still typed that)
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tantek
chrisaldrich could you add a note about "nothing "official" until next month" to https://indieweb.org/events/2017-01-25-homebrew-website-club#Where ?
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cdevroe
@tantek Pardon my infinite ignorance…I do not see “that WordPress with Bridgy” page.
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tantek
cdevroe, that's because you haven't create it yet ;)
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tantek
here I'll try again
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cdevroe
Haha, ok!
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Loqi
nice
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tantek
what is WordPress with Bridgy?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "WordPress with Bridgy" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10Z9
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cdevroe
Holy moly! Loqi you’re awfully handy.
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tantek
cdevroe, that's not the half of it. but please proceed. more Loqi tricks later ;)
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gRegorLove
cdevroe: I use the /posse-post-discovery method myself. E.g. https://gregorlove.com/2017/01/really-enjoying-the-group-of/ has the "Also on: Twitter" link with the u-syndication microformats. Bridgy periodically parses my feed and keeps track of that. And when that tweet gets a reply, it uses that to send the webmention to.
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gRegorLove
My Twitter copy of that tweet doesn't have to include the original link, that way.
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gRegorLove
cdevroe++ :grinning:
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Loqi
cdevroe has 5 karma
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Loqi
[gRegor Morrill] Really enjoying the group of people in my improv class.
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gRegorLove
cdevroe: More information for what I was describing: https://brid.gy/about#link
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chrisaldrich
cdevroe: In case you haven't found it, https://wordpress.org/plugins/syndication-links/ will give you a field in WP to store the URLs for where you've shared your content to twitter, et al and it will automatically mark them up with the u-syndication portion for bridgy to parse. If I remember correctly, that plugin will also auto-import the URLs for syndicated copies when you use the Bridgy Publish plugin so you don't need to do it manually.
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cdevroe
@chrisaldrich Interesting, ok.
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cdevroe
I just tested Bridgy Publish. Nothing happened. No errors either. Sigh.
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cdevroe
Same thing happened to me with JetPack plugin
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cdevroe
So I had to turn it off and write my own
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cdevroe
If I ask it to tweet and it doesn’t, it should at least tell me.
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chrisaldrich
Do you have the webmentions plugin set up?
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cdevroe
I’m also unsure what to expect timing wise. My plugin sends the request immediately, perhaps Bridgy takes a while
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chrisaldrich
Usually within less than a minute it'll propogate. If I remember, the bridgy publish plugin runs a chron-job about 10 seconds after you publish.
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cdevroe
It sets up cron? Weird.
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cdevroe
I thought perhaps it would queue the request on Bridgy’s service.
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chrisaldrich
You might also want to put your URL into the box on your bridgy twitter page and hit "preview" to test/make sure your theme will display the proper output.
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cdevroe
It has been five minutes, still nothing. So I’ll take that as a sign it didn’t work. But it also didn’t error or warn.
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chrisaldrich
Which sub-plugins in the bigger WP Indieweb Plugin do you have up and running? https://wordpress.org/plugins/indieweb/
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cdevroe
Unsure how to share screenshots on here @chrisaldrich but it appears my page is marked up just fine.
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cdevroe
I’ve been programming for 20 years and I have a hard time wrapping my head around all of these separate pieces. It is no wonder I can’t get my friends to join me in the indieweb! :-) I hope I can help even a little.
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cdevroe
@tantek I may not be the person to write this page, but I am keeping notes.
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cdevroe
So far they consist of “step 1: Be confused. Step 2: Have nothing work.” :-)
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cdevroe
I have a long way to go.
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tantek
cdevroe, it sounds like our documentation has a long way to go ;)
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cdevroe
I think I totally grok the principles of the indieweb, and the protocols, but not the services that try to help connect everything.
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cdevroe
It is almost as if I have to write everything myself. Which I’d rather not do… that is just duplicating work that has likely already been done.
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cdevroe
I just can’t seem to find any services that work
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cdevroe
(or, work for me)
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cdevroe
Others seem to get them to worl
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tantek
eventually
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tantek
but that's the point, we should be documenting the problems / confusion you're running into because it's very likely you're not the only one
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tantek
it should all be as turnkey to setup and get going as possible
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tantek
it's right for you to expect that things should "just work"
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chrisaldrich
GWG will be on in a few hours and perhaps he can help you trouble shoot (and improve the documentation); it's been a while since I've used Bridgy Publish since I use Social Network Autoposter for most of my syndication process
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cdevroe
To an extent. I expect to have to fiddle with a few things.
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cdevroe
I should probably homegrow everything like Jeremy anyway
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chrisaldrich
I haven't looked at the Bridgy Publish plugin since GWG pushed a bunch of updates in the past week
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cdevroe
And just share the source.
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cdevroe
I can say, with no reservation, that the Bridgy web site would make no sense to a "mortal"
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@HongPong
#Drupal developers, premature to announce but http://drupal.org/project/linkback now has beginnings of D8 inter-site pingbacks type mgmt #indieweb
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tantek
cdevroe, rather than "mortal", you may find the terms here a bit more generous: indieweb.org/generations
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chrisaldrich
cdevroe, in BP, do you have "Set Twitter from Post Excerpt" checked, and if so, is there content in that field?
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gRegorLove
cdevroe: Even the about page? https://brid.gy/about (not necessarily disagreeing)
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hongpong
cdevroe yeah i find bridgy confusing and wish it had animations to illustrate what it does
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cdevroe
BTW, this is the really, really simple PHP code I use to tweet my posts now: https://gist.github.com/cdevroe/972f35b1edd13962a780d1b301c056c0 (nothing special at all)
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gRegorLove
Bridgy issues can also be filed here: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy
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cdevroe
@gRegorLove I’ll have to dig to find the actual issue. Since it didn’t err
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tantek
cdevroe, I wrote my own (much more complicated) PHP code to POSSE to Twitter because - so many edge cases
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gRegorLove
Wait, I thought you were trying to backfeed replies, not publish
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cdevroe
@tantek In my case I wrote my own simply because I’m a bit picky with how the status actually is constructed (as you can see).
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cdevroe
@gRegorLove I was told to begin with BP plugin
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cdevroe
So I was trying to get that to work
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gRegorLove
I guess that might be easiest, but I don't think it will get replies back on your site.
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tantek
cdevroe, I was *extremely* picky. hence I documented a lot of my thinking in excruciating detail here: https://indieweb.org/Twitter#POSSE_to_Twitter
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cdevroe
No, I didn’t expect it to do that.
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cdevroe
I appreciate everyone’s help, I really do. But I feel like I have to go back to the drawing board here and not waste everyone else’s time. I’m sure I’ll get it.
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gRegorLove
Not a waste of time. It's good information to know we need to improve the documentation
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gRegorLove
Feel like we threw a wall of information at you, hope it wasn't overwhelming
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tantek
cdevroe please at least braindump your questions and confusions on that wiki page
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tantek
we can clean it up with answers later incrementally
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tantek
none of that is wasting anyone's time
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tantek
gRegorLove: I'd rather capture the much more specific WordPress with Bridgy questions / confusion
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tantek
because I think that reflects a specific perspective we need to pay particularly close attention to
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tantek
we can abstract more general Bridgy FAQ from that
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miklb
cdevroe I just recently switched to indie WP from indie Jekyll, and feel what you are saying. I'd be glad to share any insight I can on the switch.
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gRegorLove
It does look like Bridgy sent some "like" webmentions to you based on https://brid.gy/twitter/cdevroe
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@calum_ryan
HWC London back up and running fortnightly for 2017 #indieweb https://twitter.com/calum_ryan/status/824342039181586432/photo/1
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tantek
nice!
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cdevroe
@miklb I’d totally be up for that. Can we video chat at some point?
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cdevroe
I can also buy as much beer as anyone can drink. ;-)
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miklb
cdevroe sure. One evening this week? I'm EST
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chrisaldrich
cdevroe: I just installed and tested Bridgy Publish myself: https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/status/824341820809285632 and it seems to be working. I suspect that you may be missing some precursor piece (or setting) in the bigger Indieweb plugin. Is your site sending webmentions properly?
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miklb
but keep late hours
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cdevroe
@tantek I’m bookmarking that page right meow (your POSSE Twitter notes) because I’d still like to retain control there in some way
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cdevroe
@chrisaldrich As far as I know it is… Jeremy’s site has a number of mentions showing from me
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cdevroe
@miklb I too am on the best American coast.
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gRegorLove
cdevroe: I tried sending your post a webmention. I got an HTTP 409 response.
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gRegorLove
Which plugin are you using for webmention?
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gRegorLove
Hmm, actually, looks like I sent the webmention twice (second on update of my post). The first went through OK, response 200. Second one responed 409.
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gRegorLove
Does it show up as a comment in the WP admin? Original: https://gregorlove.com/2017/01/testing-sending-a-webmention-ping/
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Loqi
[gRegor Morrill] Testing sending a webmention. Ping.
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cdevroe
@gRegorLove Yes, but it was marked as SPAM automatically
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cdevroe
No idea why
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cdevroe
But I do see it
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Zegnat
Ping pfefferle? Hè might be online, he is CET right?
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gRegorLove
WP is heavy-handed marking those as spam. GWG probably knows more; I think there's a way to make it less likely to do that.
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Zegnat
Loqi, what time is it for pfefferle?
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Zegnat
aaronpk, can we get that as a feature? ^^^ ;)
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gRegorLove
cdevroe: Cool, well we know webmention receiving is working, so that's an important first step for Bridgy :)
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gRegorLove
Loqi, when in the world is pfefferle?
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tantek
who is pfefferle?
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Loqi
Giving Brid.gy a spin. Hopefully it can do a few of the indieweb things I'd like on my site.
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chrisaldrich
cdevroe, somewhere (on the wiki) I think there's a snippet of code you can dump into function.php to automatically accept all incoming webmentions (primarily as they haven't been a heavy instance of spam thus far). Akismet has been working on improving the acceptance/rejection of them in their spam filter.
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gRegorLove
What is Semantic Linkbacks?
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Loqi
Semantic Linkbacks is a WordPress plugin that upgrades the presentation of linkback notifications (like Trackback, Pingback, or Webmention*) from the ugly default pingback presentation of "[…] random text excerpt […]" to a much more meaningful and user-friendly display as comments, reposts, likes, and favorites, detected using microformats2 markup from the source of the linkback https://indieweb.org/Semantic_Linkbacks
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miklb
cdevroe I snagged this from GWG to unspam webmentions https://gist.github.com/miklb/5f06c91eaa494bab663917099ec786e5
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Zegnat
tantek, most of us have proper timezone names on IRC_People, but there isn't any way to mark it up for Loqi.
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gRegorLove
^ That plugin should let your site show my actual comment instead of "mentioned on..."
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cdevroe
@chrisaldrich Honestly, I do not mind them going into SPAM at all. I moderate them all anyway. I would never want to open it up as I get _a lot_ of Trackback spam
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chrisaldrich
Here's the details: * Temporary Code to accept all webmentions as suggested by snarfed at https://github.com/indieweb/wordpress-indieweb/issues/38 (for WordPress)
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chrisaldrich
There's still some subtle work in WP webmentions for the comment to show up properly, and I think some of it depends on how they're sent. I occasionally have to change some metadata in my database directly to get webmentions to show as a native reply instead of the "mentioned on".
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gRegorLove
cdevroe: http://cdevroe.com/2017/01/25/dreamhost-supports-micro-blog/ should have a webmention from Bridgy now (maybe in spam again)
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Loqi
Dreamhost supports Micro.blog
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cdevroe
@gRegorLove Nothing so far.
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gRegorLove
Based on https://brid.gy/twitter/cdevroe at least. Shows sent there.
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cdevroe
@gRegorLove Is the “micro.blog” URL messing that up somehow? Because the title has a URL in it?
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gRegorLove
No, it shouldn't. Bridgy's just finding all the links and trying to send webmentions to them individually.
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cdevroe
So the Bridgy service is picking up my mentions and it attempting to send a webmention to my blog but my blog isn’t picking it up. And we don’t know why.
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cdevroe
Is that a fair way to put it
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gRegorLove
If it doesn't show up, maybe the webmention plugin has logs
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gRegorLove
At least in this instance, that appears to be the case, yeah.
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[keithjgrant]
Have you checked for webmentions both with/without the trailing slash?
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aaronpk
what time is it for Zegnat?
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Loqi
In Zegnat's timezone, Europe/Amsterdam, it is currently 9:07pm on January 25
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gRegorLove
cdevroe: You can try manually re-sending the webmention too. The source URL is https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/cdevroe/824282353279336452/824345634354319361
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Loqi
[gRegor Morrill] Testing a Twitter reply that Bridgy should attempt to send a webmention for.
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gRegorLove
I don't know the WP Webmention plugin. Sounds like it's having an error storing it (if it doesn't show up in spam or anywhere else), or maybe rejecting it for some reason.
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gRegorLove
What time is it for aaronpk?
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Loqi
In aaronpk's timezone, US/Pacific, it is currently 12:09pm on January 25
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gRegorLove
aaronpk++
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Loqi
aaronpk has 457 karma in this channel (1185 overall)
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cdevroe
@gRegorLove Even resending it via the Bridgy interface didn’t seem to do it. Though, again, it didn’t error.
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aaronpk
tries from telegraph
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aaronpk
did that work?
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gRegorLove
!tell GWG Does the WordPress Webmention plugin do any logging for received wm? cdevroe is having issues with Bridgy wm not showing up anywhere, even in spam.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
Dreamhost supports Micro.blog
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cdevroe
@aaronpk That worked.
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cdevroe
Though, the URLs in the mention aren’t anything useful (they don’t point to Twitter)
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cdevroe
But the webmention came through
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aaronpk
oh really? i thought the wordpress plugin pulled out the twitter URL from the bridgy webmention
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gRegorLove
Semantic Linkbacks might be the plugin that does that part
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aaronpk
i cannot keep the wordpress plugins straight
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gRegorLove
Heh, yeah, it's confusing :/
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cdevroe
@aaronpk You and me both
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cdevroe
Oh, also
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Loqi
aaronpk has 458 karma in this channel (1186 overall)
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cdevroe
For 100 days of indieweb
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cdevroe
For smashing it
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cdevroe
Awesome stuff.
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aaronpk
aw thanks
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cdevroe
@gRegorLove Are you saying I need another plugin? haha
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Loqi
hehe
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cdevroe
Maybe I should just install all plugins
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cdevroe
wp-cli install plugin *.*
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cdevroe
@gRegorLove Semantic Linkbacks. I have it. Not activated.
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dgold
is somewhat embarassed to admit that he only realised the 'slack' was an irc channel about ten minutes ago
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tantek
cdevroe does the /WordPress page not say exactly which plugins to start with and use?
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gRegorLove
Well, in the long-term: probably. Semantic Linkbacks gives much better display of webmention comments. Like my comment would actually show up, not just a link to it.
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tantek
dgold that's a feature :D
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gRegorLove
In the short term, I'd say no. It's only presentationl stuff; probably easier to make sure Bridgy and webmentions are playing nicely with the current plugins.
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cdevroe
@tantek It likely does.. A few months back I gave this whole dance a spin and installed everything. Not a thing worked so I deactivated them all.
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aaronpk
dgold: that's a sign the integration is seamless so I am pleased :)
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gRegorLove
cdevroe: Are you still making Barley?
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tantek
cdevroe, sorry to hear "not a thing worked" that's pretty bad
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tantek
nudges gRegorLove to #indiechat - Barley
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[keithjgrant]
Static site peeps: what do you use to automate sending webmentions when you write a new post?
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miklb
[keithjgrant] when I used Jekyll it was in a rake task
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KevinMarks
I don't, Keith but I'm thinking about that for mention tech
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KevinMarks
The challenge is knowing what updated
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voxpelli
I don't yet, but I plan to base it on my WebSub/PuSH-feed
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aaronpk
oh yeah
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[keithjgrant]
Yeah, based on PuSH would be slick
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KevinMarks
Websub would be a good way to do that, yes
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KevinMarks
Though I don't generate websub for kevinmarks.com either
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cdevroe
@tantek I’m in this thing for the long haul, so I’ll get it figured out.
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cdevroe
@gRegorLove No, sold the rights the codebase. Working at an agency now.
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tantek
cdevroe, same here, hence we want to use your experience to improve (simplify) the figuring out for the next person
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aaronpk
what is barley?
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Loqi
Barley is a hosted, inline-editing CMS built by Colin Devroe https://indieweb.org/Barley
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snarfed
cdevroe++ agreed. thank you for sticking with it, and for all the feedback! much appreciated, and clearly needed.
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Loqi
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voxpelli
I simply build and send pings to my WebSub hub – so I ping a bit more than needed – but thinking it's up to the client at the other end to deal with it
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snarfed
fwiw i filed https://github.com/dshanske/bridgy-publish/issues/21 to capture one small part of your problems
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cdevroe
@snarfed Yes, please don’t take any of my comments as negative criticism. My main frustration, so far, has been two main things: Not knowing what to do after connecting Twitter/Facebook to Bridgy. And, that Bridgy nor the Bridgy plugin erred (or warned) when something didn’t work.
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tantek
what is Getting Started With Bridgy?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Getting Started With Bridgy" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10ZE
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snarfed
totally understood! my high level impression is that looking at https://indieweb.org/generations , bridgy's product/UX may be ready for gen 1 and 2, but probably not 3 and 4 yet.
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cdevroe
@snarfed I wrote and published a status update to my blog and everything seemed to work. But the tweet or post to FB never happened.
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cdevroe
@snarfed According to that page I’m Gen 1.
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snarfed
definitely! the wordpress bridgy publish plugin probably just needs more iterating. the bug i filed would be a big step.
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cdevroe
I connect my FB account to Bridgy and the site says “refresh in 1 minute”… I do that and it shows me a bunch of things it has found on my site with no instruction on what to do next. I would think the next thing woudl be “Connect your blog” and you’d either grab the appropriate WP plugins or start writing code if your blog is homegrown
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cdevroe
@snarfed++ for the issue
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Loqi
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snarfed
sure! it already does some of that to check that your site accept webmentions, that your silo account and posts are public, etc
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snarfed
more tutorial based on whether the initial batch sent any wms or not is a good idea. filing an issue now
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cdevroe
@snarfed I commited a super, duper simple PR so that I have that workflow down. https://github.com/dshanske/bridgy-publish/pull/22 Will look into doing more work on this while it is fresh in my mind
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snarfed
cdevroe++
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cdevroe
@snarfed @gRegorLove @tantek Does this look like a good outline to follow as I/we fill this in?
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cdevroe
Someone also mentioned a graphic
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cdevroe
Once I fully understand all that Bridgy is attempting to do, I might be able to draw something on the back of a napkin
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snarfed
cdevroe: lgtm, thanks!
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GWG
Good afternoon. Can't believe I am again taking a break so late in the day, causing me to miss WordPress and Bridgy talk
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Loqi
GWG: gRegorLove left you a message 37 minutes ago: Does the WordPress Webmention plugin do any logging for received wm? cdevroe is having issues with Bridgy wm not showing up anywhere, even in spam.
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GWG
pfefferle and I compromised on logging.
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GWG
We put in the hooks so they could be logged, but classified it as an add on function that could be developed separately.
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tantek
cdevroe - I added a little formatting - can you review that I kept your intent? https://indieweb.org/WordPress_with_Bridgy
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cdevroe
@tantek So long as Bridgy helps with all of those listed things, I believe that’d be a great document to have.
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GWG
cdevroe, anything I can do to help with the WordPress plugin side of things?
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tantek
GWG, I think snarfed filed an issue
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GWG
I read it.
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tantek
GWG, re: anything, I think more like everything
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GWG
I was going to add error handling at some point anyway
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cdevroe
@GWG I think the most useful thing (for me personally) would be to know “What are the steps for adding Bridgy support to my site”
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cdevroe
Which @tantek helped to outline on the wiki
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tantek
GWG, according to cdevroe, by installing everything our wiki says to install, "not a thing worked": https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-01-25/1485375370278000
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GWG
tantek, I need more hours in the day
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Loqi
[cdevroe] @tantek It likely does.. A few months back I gave this whole dance a spin and installed everything. Not a thing worked so I deactivated them all....
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cdevroe
And, it sounds like the answer is… “Connect to Bridgy. Add these 10 plugins”
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tantek
so it sounds like all plugins are guilty until debugged at this point
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GWG
cdevroe, it is our number one problem. Splintering
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cdevroe
@GWG Then, once you do that.. if you publish something it “appears” to work…. but you go to the social networks and don’t see anything
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tantek
GWG, I would say the number one problem is a new WordPress user just getting *something* to work
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cdevroe
So, then you don’t know where to start picking
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cdevroe
If I only had 1 plugin, I think I could debug the issue. But in this case I have a lot and a service to figure out
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GWG
cdevroe, I would like some help figuring out how to best address that. Some of the problems are platform
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GWG
There is no log system in WordPress. So errors go to the web server error log if you don't build one
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tantek
I'm glad cdevroe is providing the user perspective that multiple plugins is actually *worse* for usability
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cdevroe
I’m thinking a WordPress Indieweb “pack” need to be created. Plugin(s) + Theme
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cdevroe
Even if the theme is vanilla Bootstrap.
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GWG
The problem is not everyone wants everything. And the compromises we made to address that creates issues
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GWG
I would like to see some merged.
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cdevroe
@GWG I can understand that. I can totally see where the issue arose.
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tantek
GWG, having nothing work by default seems the worst though
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tantek
somehow there was too much compromising
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cdevroe
Some may want to show favorites on their site, others not, some likely just want to POSSE others just want webmention, etc.
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GWG
cdevroe, I am not sure how we address it.
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GWG
For some of it, feel free to blame my poor coding skills
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cdevroe
@GWG I am not placing blame on anyone or anything. I really want to help.
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cdevroe
Still have more learning to do before I can I think.
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cdevroe
It’s all very simple once broken down.
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GWG
tantek, do you remember last summer when you suggested that identity functionality be added to the Indieweb plugin?
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cdevroe
But a single WP plugin that does everything would be fairly cumbersome
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GWG
cdevroe, I would like to merge along some logical lines and try to ensure they work together.
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[cleverdevil]
As a followup to our contribution to manton's Kickstarter campaign, we're planning on working on making a streamlined, pre-configured Indie microblog with WordPress at DreamHost.
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GWG
cdevroe, Webmention functionality is split into two pieces: Webmention and Semantic Linkbacks. One is plumbing, the other is presentational.
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[cleverdevil]
I tend to agree that a simplified, pre-packaged WordPress setup would go a long way to driving Indieweb adoption.
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aaronpk
[cleverdevil]: wow that's awesome! using micro.blog or ...?
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tantek
cdevroe: worse than cumbersome is a single WP plugin that does nothing
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GWG
Who is going to make the tough decisions though?
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tantek
GWG, when something confuses enough beginners, that's justification for a design change
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[cleverdevil]
aaronpk it remains to be seen, but the idea would be that people could create Indie microblog that is hosted at DreamHost and is "compatible" with Micro.blog and other Indie microblogs.
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aaronpk
that's awesome. like installed via the one-click thing?
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GWG
pfefferle and I are probably the top contributors, followed by snarfed
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GWG
Chrisaldrich is the most active user right now
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cdevroe
[cleverdevil]: Not having used micro.blog yet… wouldn’t _any_ WordPress installation work with Micro.blog since it uses RSS?
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[cleverdevil]
aaronpk yup.
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tantek
cdevroe: RSS doesn't really work with anything IndieWeb except for 2003 era functionality, because RSS never defined how to post a like, reply, repost, etc.
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tantek
so "work with X since it uses RSS" gives you very little actual functionality
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[cleverdevil]
there's that, and also you still have to properly configure your WordPress to behave.
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[cleverdevil]
all of this is very complex, sadly.
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tantek
nothing that anyone would consider "social media" or actual modern indieweb functionality
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cdevroe
@tantek Totally understood
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tantek
cleverdevil, very complex, and frankly, too fragile as well (at least for a WordPress indieweb setup)
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aaronpk
to be fair, dreamhost does the best job of maintaining wordpress installs tho
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tantek
in 2014, snarfed and others help setup Dan Gillmore's WordPress blog with amazing indieweb functionality, both POSSE and backfeed, fully functional, he loved it
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tantek
it worked GREAT
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tantek
until he moved hosts
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cdevroe
I thought Micro.blog was more an RSS reader that gave you the ability to reply using your own WordPress install. I didn’t realize Manton was going to put all of the indieweb protocols in it as well. That’s great. (Shows what I know, being that I backed it)
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tantek
and then it was impossible to get working again
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chrisaldrich
cleverdevil: We've been having Homebrew Website Club meet ups for Indieweb on the East side of LA for a while, would you/DreamHost have space to host in-person meetups at your LA offices in the future?
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[cleverdevil]
We've got a lot of WordPress talent inside of DreamHost, and I'd really love all of this to be simpler.
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GWG
tantek, whenever I outline the WordPress problems, we never seem to figure out the right moves. I think I need to find help
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[cleverdevil]
I know that the general principals are also shared by Matt Mullenweg.
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tantek
GWG, start with even experienced developers (e.g. cdevroe) can't get simple things to work
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[cleverdevil]
chrisaldrich absolutely, we have an office in downtown LA and we have an office in Orange County (Brea).
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tantek
ask them what they tried, what was the result, and find out what *specifically* went wrong
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tantek
cleverdevil++
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Loqi
cleverdevil has 6 karma in this channel (7 overall)
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GWG
cdevroe, willing to help me figure out what led you where?
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[cleverdevil]
Also, I'll take any and all feedback on what we could do as a host to make all of this better.
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[cleverdevil]
Our major focus at the moment is getting people excited about owning their own website (and entire digital identity).
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chrisaldrich
cleverdevil, do you have a phone number we could chat at offline to set up some details?
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[manton]
cdevroe Might take a little while to get everything IndieWeb in there, but that's the eventual goal. I'm committed to Micropub and microformats, and still exploring how best to support Webmention. (Might be partial support with more later.)
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cdevroe
@GSG Of course.
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[cleverdevil]
chrisaldrich yup, PM incoming.
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aaronpk
hm PMs between slack and IRC won't work :)
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[cleverdevil]
I used to connect here via IRC, but I'm on so many Slacks now that it just made sense to consolidate everything that way :stuck_out_tongue:
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cdevroe
@[manton] How will micro.blog handle mentions and replies _without_ WM?
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[cleverdevil]
chrisaldrich just hit me up via email at jonathan at dreamhost dot com.
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chrisaldrich
cleverdevil, you can find my phone number/email etc in my h-card at http://boffosocko.com
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Loqi
Chris Aldrich
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cdevroe
@[cleverdevil] :wave: I mentioned you on my blog this morning. Didn’t know that was you over there.
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cdevroe
Are the bracketed usernames Slack users? That is interesting.
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[cleverdevil]
Howdy howdy :slightly_smiling_face:
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[cleverdevil]
chrisaldrich I'll send you a quick email and we can coordinate a time to chat on the phone, I am in and out of meetings at the moment.
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ben_thatmustbeme
cdevroe: yeah, aaronpkworking out quite a nice tie in between the two
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chrisaldrich
sounds good cleverdevil...
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ben_thatmustbeme
s/working/ worked/
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GWG
cdevroe, could you tell me the story of the day you decided to Indiewebify your site?
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chrisaldrich
thinks it's time to do another semi-annual updating of the WordPress wiki pages. Perhaps getting slimming down /getting_started_on_WordPress to the minimum set for basic functionality would be the best place to start and then push the rest into additional pages.
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[manton]
cdevroe Replies are kind of the weakest area right now, more centralized. I'm trying to do a couple things at once (including the Safe Replies feature which matters a lot to me) so that part is evolving more slowly. I'm a fan of Webmention though and think that's the goal. First step to me is getting more people their own microblog so that the infrastructure for cross-site replies is even possible.
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tantek
chrisaldrich: yes. getting started really should be about getting *started*
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tantek
manton, totally understand (and encourage) incremental webmention support
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tantek
IMO sending is easier to start with
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[manton]
tantek Thanks. That's exactly what I was thinking too. Since there are 2 sides, can be done in phases hopefully.
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cdevroe
@GWG Would you like to Skype?
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cdevroe
I can do so in about 20/30 minutes.
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GWG
cdevroe, still at work
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chrisaldrich
What is JetPack?
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Loqi
Jetpack is a WordPress plugin that adds many site management tools including visitor stats, security services, performance improvements, and syndication options https://indieweb.org/Jetpack
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tantek
I think we set a new HWC cities record for today with *8* AFAIK
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KevinMarks_
What are safe replies?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "safe replies" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10ZJ
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@t
Record eight cities host Homebrew Website Club meetups today! https://indieweb.org/events/2017-01-25-homebrew-website-club#Where Nürnberg, Brighton, ... http://tantek.com/2017/025/t2
(twtr.io/1MoC9H1EVU_)
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tantek
KevinMarks, do you actually know or are you asking to understand? (I'm not familiar with the phrase)
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aaronpk
[manton] referenced it earlier
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tantek
I remember that
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KevinMarks_
I'm asking to understand - I'd like to hear what [manton] means
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martymcguire[m]
HWC Baltimore spinning up our quiet writing hour
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@davidmead
@cdevroe @schnarfed I see you’ve found the #indieweb IRC 🙂 Did that help? in reply to: > @schnarfed @davidmead I’… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/824400792119611393
(twtr.io/1MoGA3rT5PD)
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tantek
martymcguire++
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Loqi
martymcguire has 1 karma
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tantek
!tell cdevroe take another look at https://indieweb.org/WordPress_with_Bridgy and see if it makes it any easier, and definitely speak up when you see steps that you've run into trouble with before
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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davidmead
i think that’s a good start tantek, but still reads a little too insider IMHO…like “bootstraps silo services”
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miklb
we might still be at the insider phase. Getting experienced deva able to hook up the services and expand on the tools needs to happen first IMO
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miklb
s/deva/devs/
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gRegorLove
"we'll presume you've got the IndieWeb WordPress plugin installed with the following minimal set of sub-plugins installed:" then lists the webmention support for threaded comments plugin "technically not required, but recommended"
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gRegorLove
I'd suggest minimal should be what's required to make it work
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miklb
what is wordpress bridgy
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "wordpress bridgy" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10ZK
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miklb
what is WordPres_with_Bridgy
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "WordPres_with_Bridgy" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10ZL
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gRegorLove
what is wordpress bridgy?
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miklb
what is WordPress_with_Bridgy
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Loqi
WordPress with Bridgy is a work-in-progress guide for how to setup your WordPress blog to work with Bridgy to both backfeed (have social media likes, replies, reposts show up on your original posts) and POSSE (cross-post your posts to social media) https://indieweb.org/wordpress_bridgy
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Loqi
WordPress with Bridgy is a work-in-progress guide for how to setup your WordPress blog to work with Bridgy to both backfeed (have social media likes, replies, reposts show up on your original posts) and POSSE (cross-post your posts to social media) https://indieweb.org/WordPress_with_Bridgy
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gRegorLove
You can use spaces btw, and not case-sensitive.
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gRegorLove
What is wordpress with bridgy
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Loqi
WordPress with Bridgy is a work-in-progress guide for how to setup your WordPress blog to work with Bridgy to both backfeed (have social media likes, replies, reposts show up on your original posts) and POSSE (cross-post your posts to social media) https://indieweb.org/WordPress_with_Bridgy
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miklb
just what I thought. Needs huge disclaimer about theme needing mf2.
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miklb
goes to his notes so he can add
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gRegorLove
Only for publishing
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davidmead
true miklb
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davidmead
and i’m just a simple bear ;-)
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miklb
gRegorLove what do you mean "only for publishing"?
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gRegorLove
Backfeed doesn't require mf2 unless I'm forgetting something?
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miklb
probably, but I'm going with the precept that someone setting up bridgy with WordPress is going to want to POSSE to silos, and without knowing they need an mf2 supported theme, pull their hair out trying to figure out why bridgy isn't doing X
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gRegorLove
Yeah, agreed
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davidmead
Do you have to POSSE your post first, before you can get backfeed?
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snarfed
also manual posse is fine, doesn't require mf2 etc
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gRegorLove
If your tweet contains the link to your original post, Bridgy sends wm for replies to that URL
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snarfed
sometimes thinks we over-emphasize automating and code. manual until it hurts!
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aaronpk
manual-til-it-hurts++
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Loqi
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gRegorLove
Good point.
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miklb
I disagree snarfed
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davidmead
thx gRegorLove
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aaronpk
doing it manually a few times ensures you automate the right aspect of it by looking at what parts in particular are causing a pain point
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miklb
If the goal is to encourage more users, seamless tools is going to be the only way
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gRegorLove
It's definitely not going to onboard Generations 2+ very well, but... the plugins aren't quite there yet either.
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gRegorLove
e.g. A list of 4 plugins as the minimal setup for WordPress with Bridgy... that alone isn't very user-friendly. Not trying to be critical, just saying.
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davidmead
what is Generations?
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Loqi
Generations in the context of the indieweb refer to clusters of potential IndieWeb adopters in a series of waves that are expected to naturally adopt the indieweb for themselves and then help inform the next generation https://indieweb.org/generations
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miklb
gRegorLove I don't disagree with that
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gRegorLove
snarfed: You just don't like writing code. ;) jk
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aaronpk
lesscode++
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Loqi
lesscode has 2 karma
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snarfed
gRegorLove: true!!!
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Loqi
[Ryan Barrett] Software Prevention Engineer
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aaronpk
i deleted a bunch of code today. it was great
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gRegorLove
Hehe. I know
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Loqi
[Ryan Barrett] All code is liability. - Peter Norvig, via Towards an understanding of technical debt
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@mholzschlag
If #webdev #webdesign #ui #ux #openweb #indieweb #hacktivists #OpenSource #OpenData #OpenAccess #a11y #computing… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/824419614239051776
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@mholzschlag
If #webdev #webdesign #ui #ux #openweb #indieweb #hacktivists #OpenSource #OpenData #OpenAccess #a11y #computing… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/824419898067529729
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gRegorLove
davidmead: Check out that backfeed paragraph now. I rephrased it a bit.
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davidmead
much better gregorlove
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GWG
Finally home.
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GWG
I missed all sorts of conversations I wanted to be in
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GWG
Manual till it hurts, huh?
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GWG
snarfed: It does hurt, I don't post enough
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snarfed
but you don't do it manually either, right?
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GWG
Yes, because I talk myself out of it.
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gRegorLove
I kept thinking that today, GWG "GWG should be here" Sorry.
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gRegorLove
Heading out to start up Bellingham HWC
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miklb
Until I figure out why I'm not syndicating micropub posts, I've put my WP site in a pinned Fluid instance, and I'm digging it.
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tantek
Hello from HWC San Francisco!
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GWG
miklb: That makes me feel like I could do better
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miklb
don't. I have no idea why it's not working, certainly don't hold you responsible.
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GWG
miklb: I know. I just want it to work for me and everyone else.
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GWG
I admit I am not a professional coder by training or vocation. And many people here are more experienced than I. I am just dedicated.
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miklb
I apologize it came out that way. I had Quill as a pinned app, and this actually gives a little more flexibility. Will need to debug micropub at some point for use on my phone.
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GWG
miklb: It didn't. I am really having a bad day today for non-Indieweb reasons. I feel like Indieweb stuff is something that I can control...I build it.
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Loqi
[indienews] New post: "HWC Baltimore 1/25 Wrap-Up" https://martymcgui.re/2017/01/25/202441/
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miklb
you have done yeoman's work in making tools to allow millions of people to use IndieWeb. It's up to the rest of us to help refine and document it
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aaronpk
martymcguire[m]++
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Loqi
martymcguire[m has 2 karma
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tantek
aaronpk: can we ditch the [m] with karma canonicalization just as we ditch the brackets around?
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tantek
!karma martymcguire
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Loqi
martymcguire has 1 karma
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tantek
martymcguire++
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Loqi
martymcguire has 2 karma
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aaronpk
hm sure. it seems like there's enough people using the matrix gateway i should do that
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GWG
And even though I don't always understand how people got into trouble, I never hold feedback against anyone.
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GWG
I have the same problems elsewhere. My old mentor used to warn me you have to do things backwards and forwards to prevent misunderstanding, and there will always be the person who does exactly what you strive to prevent.
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tantek
wise words
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tantek
what are private posts?
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Loqi
private posts refer to posts or portions of posts which are private to either the author or to a limited audience chosen by the author https://indieweb.org/private_posts
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tantek
goes to edit / add to use cases
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gRegorLove
Hello from Bellingham HWC
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tantek
hello gRegorLove !
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gRegorLove
Party of one again, but just today someone reached out to me via Twitter, so maybe more new people in the future.
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gRegorLove
Made some good progress on a post, though, and now working on php-mf2
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@wdenton
Blog post: Notifying Internet Archive when a new post is published https://www.miskatonic.org/2017/01/25/internetarchive/ #indieweb #jekyll
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tantek
nice - they learned it (and quote from) our Internet Archive page!
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tantek
GWG++
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Loqi
gwg has 183 karma in this channel (199 overall)
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GWG
Well, pfefferle notes in October of 2013 "removed all microformats stuff - the plugin should only implement the spec stuff" https://github.com/dshanske/wordpress-webmention/commit/c23c4342defcb2355acf427e2081cdfd2a421405
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GWG
The current spec suggests it should support h-entry at the least.
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tantek
that's a bit out of date now
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tantek
Webmention has been expanded to reference h-entry
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tantek
so that's worth adding back in
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GWG
tantek: My point exactly. I see why it was removed. I want to discuss putting it back together because so many people seem to not realize they are codependent.
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tantek
great - file an issue to add it back accordingly
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GWG
I did.
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GWG
The one I mentioned.
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tantek
oh that doesn't say anything about h-entry
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tantek
I'm confused
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tantek
perhaps you could more context in the issue?
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tantek
and more details?
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Loqi
[indieweb] "William Denton: Notifying the Internet Archive when a new post is published" by William Denton on 2017-01-26 https://www.miskatonic.org/2017/01/25/internetarchive/
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@sdepolo
Sadly missing #indieweb tonight. WFH seeing if I can indiewebify GoDaddy's new DIY web builder: https://www.godaddy.com/gocentral?isc=fbengsb17&cvosrc=advocacy.trapit.trapit&campaign=indieweb
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tantek
Here at HWC SF it was just me so I held an extended quiet writing hour as it were, and spent some time documenting use-cases for private posts, from discussions I've had with others: https://indieweb.org/private_posts#Sharing_With_Fewer_Friends
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Comment on The IndieWeb and Journalism by IndieWebCamp" by IndieWebCamp on 2017-01-26 http://boffosocko.com/2017/01/13/the-indieweb-and-journalism/#comment-33595
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Loqi
[Kevin Marks] Day 3: better hovercards on mylive-noted posts #100DaysOfIndieWeb
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KevinMarks_
Thank you - fixed