2017-01-22 UTC
# 00:19 GWG !tell miklb Pushed an update to the github repo. Can you test re omit link? # 00:19 Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next aegibsonme, nitot and wagle joined the channel
# 00:46 miklb GWG tested, this time no link, but didn't post any content, just site title. I'll investigate that on my end. # 00:46 Loqi miklb: GWG left you a message 27 minutes ago: Pushed an update to the github repo. Can you test re omit link? # 00:47 GWG miklb: Should I push the change to stable or do you want to check more? # 00:48 miklb well, it didn't send the content of the post, so I wouldn't push anything yet # 00:48 GWG miklb: Well, the content of the post is determined by Bridgy itself. # 00:49 GWG Although now if the option to send the Excerpt to Twitter is set, it will use the excerpt if set. # 00:50 miklb but for some reason, it only picked up my site title for content # 00:50 GWG miklb: I thought about adding a metabox, but I figured this less intrusive option would satisfy most. # 00:52 GWG miklb: You are setting an explicit name. # 00:53 GWG "In general, Bridgy prefers to use p-summary if available, then the full e-content, and finally p-name, in that order. The one exception is original tweets (not @-replies) on Twitter: for those, it prefers p-name before e-content. " KevinMarks and wagle joined the channel
# 00:54 miklb not sure I understand "setting an explicit name" # 00:55 aaronpk and since that's inside the h-entry it makes it look like the h-entry's p-name # 00:57 miklb maybe I copied over the changes to underscores improperly # 01:00 GWG miklb: The problem is WordPress theming plus plugins plus mf2 is hard. # 01:01 GWG It is why I changed the description of the plugin to emphasize it is a UI for Bridgy Publish and that Bridgy Publish parses the webpage. So, there is a limit to what I can do on the plugin side without overriding all the other stuff. nitot joined the channel
# 01:08 miklb yeah, that's cool. I'll dig through the markup. Guess can push to stable # 01:09 GWG miklb: I am hoping that the focus on the editor and more flexible content creation might produce some answers in this area. KevinMarks joined the channel
# 01:12 miklb oh, I read it. I'm just skeptical of motives other than to benefit wp.com in crowded market # 01:13 GWG miklb: I am too. But I am hoping that we can piggyback on developments made for other things. # 01:13 miklb genuinely glad to see optimism. I should take a page out of your book # 01:15 GWG miklb: Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. snarfed, KevinMarks_, wolftune, funwhilelost, wagle, nitot, aegibsonme, KevinMarks and leg joined the channel
# 02:57 miklb GWG what was the thinking in adding h-entry to the body class, just want to make sure I don't overlook any scenarios # 02:58 GWG miklb: There was a debate about that. That on a single page, h-entry goes on the top-level element, and on an archive page, h-feed goes on the top level element. But there was some debate. KevinMarks and nitot joined the channel
# 04:13 aaronpk Whoa apparently Facebook iOS is testing new features in the menu at the bottom nitot, mblaney and KevinMarks joined the channel
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# 07:05 aaronpk Yeah the text box prompt is asking what you're selling Pierre-O joined the channel
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# 13:45 Zegnat So much tinkering with my new habit tracker. Is anyone else tracking habits? nitot joined the channel
# 13:53 sebsel I actually have two pieces of paper with a 7-day grid for 100 days, I'm marking crosses :) # 13:53 sebsel I only crossed out the first two days though. # 13:55 sebsel I first was thinking about a seblog.nl/goals or /quests page, and then posts h-entry:s with u-completion-of # 13:55 sebsel But then I thought: neh, let's not abuse Mf2+Webmentions for this. # 13:56 Zegnat That would be cool. I m still looking for a way to update my habits page. # 13:57 sebsel I actually had that /quests page for a while, with bars and stuff. But I was uneasy with having it all out in the open. # 13:58 Loqi zegnat has 31 karma in this channel (33 overall) # 14:01 Zegnat I should start a reading habit. But not sure how to quantify the daily goal. # 14:02 sebsel well if it means 'I was at', I could be in a book :P # 14:03 Loqi Media check-in is a somewhat controversial concept that refers to a type of virtual check-in post, where the "location" is an item of consumable media such as a book, audio, video, or realtime media such as a radio or TV broadcast https://indieweb.org/media_checkin # 14:03 Zegnat was at Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children # 14:04 sebsel The textual representation is different, but the meaning is quite similar. # 14:05 sebsel that was what aaronpk called 'Things I can checkin to', but not sure if he actually named it that way. # 14:06 Loqi [aaronpk] "ticcit" => "things i can check in to" # 14:07 Zegnat For his storage, yeah, I remember. Now I am curious if aaronpk is going to have media checkins stored in there! moredhel joined the channel
# 14:34 sebsel a habit tracker is a tool to track one's progress in adopting new habits nitot and leg joined the channel
# 15:42 miklb regretting decision to switch to WordPress already sebsel joined the channel
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# 15:59 KevinMarks If you check into a cinema, Swarm lets you choose which film, which combines the location and media Pierre-O, moredhel, userXYZ, nitot and John_Duh joined the channel
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# 16:34 miklb I just need to decide if the effort to get WP to the point I had with static site would be better spent improving what I had. # 16:35 GWG miklb, I was looking forward to your participation, not taking it personally. KevinMarks, wolftune, nitot and KevinMarks_ joined the channel
# 17:12 miklb oh, hey, removing the p-name on the h1 on single pages worked. That lightens my frustrations greatly. nitot joined the channel
# 17:21 aaronpk i think now you need p-name on the same element as e-content # 17:25 aaronpk otherwise the parser makes an implied p-name that includes all the content of the h-entry which is kind of a mess # 17:26 miklb so I need to write a function that checks if the title is empty (where the p-name markup is), then add p-name to the e-content. That's simple # 17:26 GWG miklb, tell me if I can do anything to ease your suffering. # 17:27 miklb just frustration with the mf2 and getting bridgy to post the note. That works, now just need to refine the markup for other parsers # 17:28 GWG miklb, trying to address that has always been an issue for me. # 17:29 GWG Either way, next on the block is Syndication Links. It only needs some minor fixes. # 17:31 GWG Then Post Kinds, then I figure out next big project. wolftune, nitot and [dgold] joined the channel
# 18:41 [dgold] is there a microformat property appropriate to use when a 'post' is a 'link-post' style entry, with the 'post' title being a link to original off-site content? # 18:42 Loqi A bookmark (or linkblog) is a post that is primarily comprised of a URL, often title text from that URL, sometimes optional text describing, tagging, or quoting from its contents https://indieweb.org/bookmark # 18:51 [dgold] I'd been looking over the specs, but clearly hadn't searched 'linkblog' # 18:52 Loqi [Tantek Çelik] h-entry is a simple, open format for episodic or datestamped content on the web. h-entry is often used with content intended to be syndicated, e.g. blog posts. h-entry is one of several open microformat standards suitable for embedding data in HTML/H... # 18:53 aaronpk it'd be u-bookmark-of. i suspect it's still considered "experimental" # 18:53 [dgold] but thank you - guess I should be looking at locations other than just mf.org # 18:54 Loqi [Tantek Çelik] h-entry is a simple, open format for episodic or datestamped content on the web. h-entry is often used with content intended to be syndicated, e.g. blog posts. h-entry is one of several open microformat standards suitable for embedding data in HTML/H... # 18:54 [dgold] trying to implement indie formats in Hugo. Hurty-head making, but worth it nitot joined the channel
# 19:03 aaronpk i've gotta get the slack bridge translating those emoji names back to emoji for irc :) # 19:13 voxpelli realizes that IRCCloud already converts those emoji names to emojis for me – neat begriffs joined the channel
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# 19:23 [dgold] Its similar enough that its useable, voxpelli, thanks # 19:24 [dgold] golang, particularly its golang-templates, have some _interesting_ design choices tantek, nitot, leg1, snarfed and CherryPuffs joined the channel
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# 21:06 [dgold] so, p-name for a note would be p-content from the permalink note page # 21:06 aaronpk yeah, since notes don't have their own name, you just set the p-name to the same as the content # 21:08 [dgold] i wandered off base for a while there, doing a few kludgey scripts to convert all my old gplus posts to notes # 21:09 [dgold] but, yeah, it makes sense that a 'note' with no title needs p-name from other than title tantek, KevinMarks and KevinMarks_ joined the channel
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# 21:34 KevinMarks I didn't focus on notes though, as Christopher mostly writes articles userXYZ and CherryPuffs joined the channel
# 21:39 aaronpk there seem to be a couple of presentational differences between recipes and articles/notes but they share a lot of the same things too # 21:47 KevinMarks They have 2 distinct sections for ingredients and methods, though some have more interpolated text # 21:48 KevinMarks I have seen some that effectively have sub recipes - separate sauces and so on # 21:49 miklb hmm, using a reply post kind and POSSE to Twitter needs some work. # 21:51 GWG miklb: Agreed. I just got the second part working. The first part needs more work. # 21:55 GWG miklb: POSSE to Twitter. I've been using SNAP and the work I did got me closer to retiring it in favor of Bridgy. The first part, replying to a Tweet, is still a bit cumbersome. # 21:57 miklb GWG the problem I just experienced was that it wanted to post the full reply, including the context, rather than just my response # 21:58 GWG miklb: Yes. I've been trying to figure out how to address that. Most themes don't have a place to add the context other than inside the theme. I have some solutions on the theme side that work. # 21:58 GWG 1. Make the theme post kinds aware by calling the context outside of the content block # 21:58 GWG 2. Put the e-content inside the content block by adding it in using a filter to the_content at a high priority(like 0) # 22:03 GWG This is from mf2_s, the old needs to be updated theme I worked on. # 22:04 GWG Basically, it put the e-content inside the_content so any plugin or otherwise which added to the_content would be outside e-content # 22:06 miklb gotcha. I want to look closer at that template_types function # 22:06 GWG It is basically a Post Kinds with fallback to Post Formats function # 22:07 miklb guess I need to dig further into "post kinds templates" # 22:09 GWG miklb: I wrote a theme that supported them. But they are generally unsupported. Needs more work. nitot joined the channel
# 22:12 miklb oh, I was just going by the comment for the function. # 22:23 aaronpk okay i decided there were enough presentational differences for recipes to warrant using a new base template instead of tweaking my normal base template # 22:43 GWG aaronpk: Where are these templates? tantek joined the channel
# 22:44 Zegnat h-recipe for cocktails? That sounds like a good thing! # 22:44 aaronpk KevinMarks: yeah once i get the templates done i'm going to convert a bunch of my past plaintext recipe posts into h-recipes nitot joined the channel
# 22:46 KevinMarks At one point Google was parsing cocktails and making them metric, which wax funny # 22:48 Zegnat What? Cocktails are officially metric … the IBA lists all ingredients in cl IIRC leg joined the channel
# 22:55 aaronpk huh. i haven't seen this twitter behavior before. two celebrities having an argument where instead of @-replying each other they're using quoted tweets # 22:56 KevinMarks Oh wait, it's the other way round. They translate the iba ones from Wikipedia to fluid ounces a bit too literally # 22:57 KevinMarks How to make a dark and stormy: Ingredients: 3 1/3 oz Ginger Beer, Couple dashes of bitters, 2 oz Dark Rum # 23:01 KartikPrabhu all cocktail reciepes are about proportion, it doesn't really matter wht units you use snarfed, nitot, KevinMarks_, tantek, KevinMarks and aegibsonme joined the channel
# 23:51 sebsel had to cheat a bit on the importing-old-posts thing. # 23:51 sebsel also had to drop the writing :( will come back to that though! # 23:52 sebsel I intend to finish the 100daysofindieweb even more now # 23:53 KartikPrabhu anyone has a display of posts by tag? Do you display all the posts on one page or paginate by year/month or something else? # 23:53 aaronpk KartikPrabhu: i paginate my tag pages the same way i paginate all my other pages # 23:54 aaronpk hm do we have a wiki page with links to examples of tag pages? # 23:54 Loqi tags or tagging refers to categorizing or labeling content, your own or others (tag-reply), with words, phrases, names, or other information, optionally linked to specific people, events, locations, such as the practice of tagging posts being about certain people (person-tag), like tagging people or other items where (area-tag) they're depicted in a photo https://indieweb.org/tag # 23:55 sebsel KartikPrabhu yeah I just have the same feed as the rest of my site, and I filter it by tag. # 23:58 KartikPrabhu sebsel: yeah it seems that microformats uses "category" but "tags" is more popular now KevinMarks joined the channel
# 23:59 sebsel yeah in Wordpress a 'category' has more weight than a 'tag' # 23:59 sebsel I'm no longer on wordpress for quite a while, but the feeling remains # 23:59 KartikPrabhu distinguishing them seems useless to me, I just think of them are equivalent names for the same thing # 23:59 sebsel I feel like there is a limited list of categories, whereas I can always create new tags.
KartikPrabhu "merch" sounds like merchandies
Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Featured Posts by Justin Johansson" by Justin Johansson on 2017-01-21 http://boffosocko.com/#comment-33555
sebsel Zegnat I like your http://zegnat.net/habit/!
KevinMarks If you check into a cinema, Swarm lets you choose which film, which combines the location and media
[dgold] u-bookmark isn't on http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry
aaronpk yeah we tend to experiment with more kinds of properties and vocabularies in indieweb and then they eventually migrate to microformats.org as they mature (see http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry#change_control)
voxpelli [dgold]: if you want some more pain, you can always check out how I added link-posts in Jekyll: https://github.com/voxpelli/voxpelli.github.com/blob/master/_includes/post-content.html#L32 Hugo and Jekyll should be pretty similar