#indieweb 2017-02-07

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@WorkingWriter Pretty excited about this myself: http://Micro.blog Hits $ Goal; will do Safe Replies! #indieweb - Tantek http://tantek.com/2017/034/b1/indie-microblogging-hits-stretch-goal-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/828755244960071681)
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@kevinmarks @kosamari we have some ideas on how to make this generally useful in #indieweb - have a look at webmention and post types (twitter.com/_/status/828810167676391425)
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@100daysindieweb Day 48: Switching to Full Page Load "next" Paging #100DaysOfIndieWeb: https://aaronparecki.com/2017/02/06/15/day-48-load-more (twitter.com/_/status/828843043885248512)
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pfefferle good morning
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Loqi morning!
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mindB morning
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Zegnat Turns out YouTube will blacklist your IP based on "sending automated queries" for polling their RSS feeds. Woops.
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mindB Isn't allowing some automation a big part of the point of RSS?
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mindB shakes fist at google
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Zegnat Yes, blocking someone for polling your RSS is a little odd.
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mindB Maybe they're using it as some sort of honeypot? Identify IPs using threatening technology like RSS.
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Zegnat context: https://github.com/feedbin/support/issues/564#issuecomment-277923575
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petermolnar morning
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petermolnar Loqi, can you give me a summary of what was talked about during the weekend and yesterday in this room?
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petermolnar (who knows, maybe)
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Zegnat !summarize 2017-02-04
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jeremycherfas Morning
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jeremycherfas Good morning
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calumryan Morning
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calumryan UK is part of West Europe (geographically) so maybe London HWC should listed as such? – http://indieweb.org/events/2017-02-08-homebrew-website-club
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@marcthiele Sebastiaan @sebsel Andeweg has created some nice #IndieWeb #Plugins for @getkirby. https://marcthiele.com/notes/plugins-for-indieweb-and-kirby (twitter.com/_/status/828936840845602816)
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voxpelli calumryan: reason why they are listed separately isn't that UK isn't part of western Europe but that typically UK have quite a few HWC:s – eg. in Brighton as well
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[acegiak_net] So I'm thinking about adding a link to my Matrix id on my blog but I don't think there's a URL schema for that yet?
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[acegiak_net] But I'm also thinking that it might not be the best idea just because I've become a lot more wary of abuse in the last 12 months.
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[acegiak_net] I wish there were an easy way to verify the identity of people visiting my site without them engaging in a big login process so that if people are on my friends list I can show them more personal details
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[acegiak_net] I suppose if I make them log in once I can do cookies/session etc
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[acegiak_net] Still a pain
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voxpelli [acegiak_net]: sounds like http://indieweb.org/private_posts#Public_Page_Upgrading
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voxpelli then again, such private details will of course by nature be hard to make curlable – unless one makes ones curling privacy aware through authing
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voxpelli so locking down eg. rel-me's, which is mostly intended to establish an identity/social graph, is not very useful (not sure if a Matrix id would be a rel-me candidate though, but sounds like it)
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mindB [acegiak_net]: You can use https://matrix.to/ as a hacky way of linking to a matrix id until there's a url schema.
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mindB What forms of abuse are you specifically worried about?
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Zegnat [acegiak_net]: maybe make use of HTTP Auth? Though it might be too easy to spoof once someone figures it out. E.g: http://martijn@vanderven.se/martijn/
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Loqi Martijn van der Ven h
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sknebel Zegnat: did Loqi try to log into your site?
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Zegnat sknebel, I am not sure if I would call this “log in”
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Zegnat Is visiting https://martijn@www.svenknebel.de/posts/ trying to log into your site?
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sknebel Zegnat: ok, more specifically: did Loqi attempt HTTP Auth?
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Zegnat Not sure where in my logs I would see that
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sknebel just wondering if it does and wondering if that has any security or other implications
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Zegnat Providing an HTTP Basic Auth username should not have security implications, afaik.
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sknebel don't think so either
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sandro_ *sigh* I ignore freenode for a couple months, and someone else gets my nick.
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Loqi sandro_: tantek left you a message on 2016-07-18 at 1:53pm UTC: Would be great to have you at IWC NYC2! 2016-08-27…28 https://indieweb.org/2016/NYC2
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Loqi sandro_: tantek left you a message on 2016-09-20 at 8:33am UTC: I wonder if we can get a room to do a HWC Lisbon 18:30-19:30 Wednesday night? Interested? Let me know and I can try to get a room.
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[cleverdevil] Anyone at LoopConf in Salt Lake City this week?
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Zegnat Burned by a silo once again :( https://licit.li/589a053f25dbc
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sknebel Zegnat: ouch.
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sknebel this and the GitLab event make me appreciate the advice to write checklists more and more.
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Zegnat sknebel, when the gitlab thing happened we were happy at work that we had decided to run our own instance on a local server
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sknebel Do you tests your backups of that? :P
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sknebel Zegnat: the link in your post the admin talks about how he this time forgot to make a manual backup, the gitlab incident also read to me like "tried to fix something without knowing if it needed fixing and how to do it". both cases possibly wouldn't even have come to the stage of "restore from backup" if they had clear lists to work of what to do, step by step
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sknebel and I myself regularly make small-ish mistakes in routine changes on my server, because I forget some edge cases my scripts rely on, where a list of things to do/check would avoid the "ohhh, right, have to do X" moment
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Zegnat I don’t think we test our gitlab backups. But the VM it runs on gets snapshotted as a whole every day, I think. So we shouldn’t ever be able to lose months of data.
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sknebel snapshot is a backup, presumably it really happens and works once restarted
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sknebel (and isn't on the same disk/machine as production)
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Zegnat Yes. So there are no specialised gitlab or database backups. Just complete VM backups.
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Zegnat Separate disks, backup drives are rotated every day
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Zegnat Difference between Gitlab and MythWeavers: with Gitlab several people probably have copies of the code locally, the character sheets on MythWeaver were in almost no cases stored offline.
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sknebel the code also wasn't lost, the issues etc that were lost probably have just as many local backups. I always liked the idea of integrating a bugtracker with the repository, there have been a few attempts, but nothing that stuck
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GWG Hello all
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sknebel morning!
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GWG What is indienew, sknebel?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "indienew, sknebel" yet. Would you like to create it?_V
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GWG I thought Loqi got names at the end of a sentence. Oh well
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sknebel not much right now, but first HWC Berlin tomorrow!
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Zegnat I wish Berlin was doable for me :(
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GWG I have never been to Germany.
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sknebel Zegnat: yeah, had the same issue with Netherlands ;) not as well-connected as one would hope
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GWG I plan to come to Europe this year. Maybe attend an IWC
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sknebel oh, nice
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GWG I am trying to plan
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Zegnat I am also trying to plan and visit an IWC or 2. I kinda promised to attend Nürnberg, but Düsseldorf would be so much easier logistically.
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sknebel I'm considering going to both, will have to see
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Zegnat I am considering that too. But that makes the logistics a whole lot harder.
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Zegnat If I do both, I will probably use Düsseldorf as “home base” and spent the inbetween week there.
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tantek this is a bit vague: http://www.computerworld.com/article/3167024/social-media/twitter-fights-back-again-against-online-trolls.html anyone have details?
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petermolnar re Zegnat complete VM backup: depending on the DB, that may not be a good backup, innodb in mysql is known to misbehave in some cases
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bear Zegnat - a great article about using snapshots for db backup -- https://www.sqlskills.com/blogs/jonathan/the-accidental-dba-day-12-of-30-backups-vm-snapshots/
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Loqi The Accidental DBA (Day 12 of 30): Backups: VM Snapshots
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