#indieweb 2017-02-08

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sebsel
HWC The Netherlands is starting :)
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Zegnat
aaronpk, is the
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Loqi
Zegnat: acegiak left you a message 11 hours, 26 minutes ago: I WAS uing the v3 api to get watch history but then they removed that and I'm super mad
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[sebsel]
The Slack bridge seems down? I got your mention here, but I didn’t see it on IRC
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sebsel
this is confusing :)
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sebsel
[cdevroe] just sent a message on Slack, and I got a notification because he mentioned me, but I don't see it here
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KevinMarks
Loqi was away for a bit, which probably stops one half of the bridge
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[sebsel]
yeah, but my messages from Slack seem to come through.
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aaronpk
oh i do see some errors in the logs
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Zegnat
sknebel, are you on the train to Berlin yet?
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sknebel
Zegnat: yep
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Loqi
[indieweb] "@inmysocks @zatnosk@manowar.social I'm torn. I don't want to be a part of the..." on 2017-02-08 https://mastodon.social/users/sikkdays/updates/1163201
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Zegnat
How is Berlin doing, people? :D
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@cdevroe
I’m looking forward to tonight’s first Homebrew Website Club in Scranton. Details here: https://indieweb.org/events/2017-02-08-homebrew-website-club
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calumryan
HWC London commencing
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tantek
calumryan woot!
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Loqi
giggles
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Zegnat
HWC the Netherlands was just told that the venue is closing in an hour. So wont be getting a long tail.
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@TechLifeWeb
#indieweb note: the order in which you turn on Known plugins changes the way the site works. I still don't like… http://stream.techlifeweb.com/2017/indieweb-note-the-order-in-which-you-turn-on-known
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calumryan
planning to run through some tests with micropub.rocks
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tantek
how is Berlin?
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Zegnat
Ping sknebel
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tantek
!tell sknebel ping
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
nice
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sknebel
Just got started
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Loqi
[indieweb] "@kevinmarks I didn't even realize you were on Masto! Shows how much I've been..." on 2017-02-08 https://mastodon.social/users/sikkdays/updates/1163506
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Zegnat
Oh, I thought Berlin was only an hour behind us, starting 18:30?
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sknebel
18 30 was "soft start", 1900 official
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Zegnat
Aha, gotcha!
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Zegnat
The Netherlands is calling it a day. Ignoring complaints from sebsel who has something that "doesn't work yet".
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tantek
Zegnat photo?
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dansup
hello
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doubleloop
I'm here at indieweb london with @calumryan
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sebsel
We have a photo!
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sebsel
(and it still does not work yet, luckily there is a train trip home)
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@jas_on
I want to get back into a little blogging, but I want to do it right and I'm a little intimidated to do things #IndieWeb style.
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GWG
Afternoon
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@Digitalkapitaen
On my way home from a very inspiring #Homebrew Website Club @betahaus. #IndieWeb
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sknebel
And the first HwC Berlin has ended as well
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GWG
Whee
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KartikPrabhu
GWG: consider replying to https://twitter.com/jas_on/status/829419074174251010 ? they seem to have a wordpress.com site already
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@jas_on
I want to get back into a little blogging, but I want to do it right and I'm a little intimidated to do things #IndieWeb style.
(twtr.io/1NJ8pFsx5Gq)
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KartikPrabhu
oh hey! I am +v again somehow
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GWG
.com or .org?
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@dshanske
@jas_on Can I be of service in Indieweb style?
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@kevinmarks
@jas_on #indieweb is a gradual process - if you start with your own domain, you're well on the way
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aaronpk
any pictures from Homebrew Website Clubs in europe yet?
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aaronpk
i see london!
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aaronpk
hooray!
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acegiak
hmm. I don't think I need next and previous article links
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acegiak
no one is browsing through my blog in that way
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miklb
acegiak ooh, something you'll be sharing code wise?
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acegiak
I mean It's mostly specifically modifications to the mf2_s wordpress theme but I can certainly share that
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miklb
I'm basically using that as an underlying framework, so would appreciate any snippets you share!
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acegiak
I'll check to see if I have a github repo set up for my child theme or not...
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@dentemple
Getting quite a bit of work done at Scranton, PA's #indieweb group.
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GWG
acegiak, I would like to see the code. I am due for a theme upgrade as well.
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[kevinmarks]
Those look nicer than my badged facepiles
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acegiak
lol I moved my css into the actual child theme and now I'm fixing all the bits that have mysteriously stopped working
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acegiak
ok so this is NOT well organised code because it's mostly small tweaks and itch scratching BUT: https://github.com/acegiak/mf2_s-acegiak
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acegiak
style.css and acegiakJavascript.js both contain facepile sections
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@ruihildt
@davduf est-ce que vous connaissez le mouvement de @indiewebcamp ? :)
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miklb
acegiak++
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Loqi
acegiak has 30 karma
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acegiak
Am I the only one using the repeat button emoji to represent reposts?
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miklb
I used to use the ♻ recycle symbol on Twitter pre-retweet feature. That's a good one too
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tantek
what is repost?
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Loqi
A repost on the indieweb is a post that is purely a 100% re-publication of another post. The act of reposting is an umbrella term that covers the general practice of republishing another post typically on the same service or silo, but more and more across sites https://indieweb.org/repost
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tantek
what is ♻?
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Loqi
A repost on the indieweb is a post that is purely a 100% re-publication of another post. The act of reposting is an umbrella term that covers the general practice of republishing another post typically on the same service or silo, but more and more across sites https://indieweb.org/%E2%99%BB
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tantek
acegiak: ^^^ :)
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acegiak
when I posse a non-twitter repost I use the repeat emoji so people know I'm not claiming the work as my own
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acegiak
tantek: that includes "repost with comment" though, yeah?
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tantek
what is repost with comment?
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Loqi
A quotation is a type of post that is primarily a subset of the contents of another post, and often has a citation of that other post https://indieweb.org/repost_with_comment
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acegiak
oh interesting!
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acegiak
So the thing I'm referring to is reposting the original content in it's entirety AND adding comment which the wiki suggests is something like a "quote tweet"?
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acegiak
semantically I'm not quoting it to illustrate a point I'm making and I'm not replying to the original post, I'm showing the audience a piece of content and then adding additional commentary or content on top
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Loqi
[Ashton McAllan] birbs are life
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Loqi
[Ashton McAllan] C R E D I T S : R E C I E V E D
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acegiak
and yeah, quote tweet seems to be the closest thing I've found in the wiki
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acegiak
it's weird to me that this isn't more common because it's a total staple of tumblr interactions
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KevinMarks_
Twitter lore: ev originally suggested the recycle ♻ symbol for retweet in SMS Twitter, then realised that it only showed on iPhones at the time
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KevinMarks_
What is fisking?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "fisking" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10_c
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KevinMarks_
fisking is the practice of reposting an article and interpolating commentary on between lines of it, often to mock or rebut the arguments in it.
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KevinMarks_
Though that usually implies longer than just repost with a single comment
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miklb
heh, I just call those Gruber posts
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KevinMarks_
The translation ones are a sub genre
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KevinMarks_
The have to include "I am high as a kite"
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KevinMarks_
There are numbered recycle glyphs, though I don't think enough to show a 2 digit count
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KevinMarks
♳♴♵♶♷♸♹
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miklb
need more plastic :-/
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tantek
acegiak: I thought it was a *side-effect* of Tumblr interactions, that is Tumblr doesn't have "normal" comments, but rather only has repost with comment, and thus those are essentially just "comments" (especially since they show up on the original!) "so-and-so reposted this and said: .... etc."
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tantek
cdevroe - how was Scranton? did you take a photo?
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tantek
!tell acegiak could you also add your plain-repost (no comment) examples to https://indieweb.org/repost#IndieWeb_Examples ? And especially if you know when you first posted one!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
hmm all I see so far is a London photo!
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aaronpk
pdx is starting!
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aaronpk
aaronpk: I just fixed the "paging" on my website, making it simpler
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KevinMarks
citation for ev using recycle for retweet https://twitter.com/ev/status/1037391951
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@ev
@goldman said he'd only go to my meeting if I RT'd: "Eugene made an awesome tshirt .... on threadless. Hook him up! http://bit.ly/l233"
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aaronpk
Marilyn: I volunteer for Osbridge. I don't have my own website yet. I broadcast on periscope.
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aaronpk
aaronpk: what would you want your website to do?
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aaronpk
Marilyn: get me more free stuff. also I don't want to have to pay for hosting
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aaronpk
nagisa: my website is nugget.nu. I haven't updated it in three years which is really sad, and I'm planning on doing that today.
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aaronpk
*nuggit.nu (thanks autocorrect)
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aaronpk
... i would like to have my website on github so that it's actually backed up
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aaronpk
anomalily: is your website just html right now?
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aaronpk
nagisa: yeah it is
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aaronpk
edrex: the domain i've given out is eric.pdxhub.org but i haven't updated that in a while
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aaronpk
... i've set up known recently
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aaronpk
... we were going to use the hosted service, but it was missing some plugins, so we'll self-host. so how do we self-host? so this led to this application hosting platform service, libre.sh, you're meant to run your own node, and i like the way it's put together
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aaronpk
... i installed it in a half hour, it does auto name provisioning from the namecheap api, and letsencrypt
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aaronpk
... i'm hoping to build up a cluster of web hosting that's reliable so that anybody that wants a website it's easy, you can just ask your friend
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aaronpk
... my main known domain is eric.pdxhub.org
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aaronpk
correction: edrex.pdxhub.org is the known site
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aaronpk
anomalily: one of the things i missed from the early 2000s internet was that you could apply to get a subdomain on someone's domain name
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@kevinmarks
» @rael: OH: "The bike shed is full of yaks." — @evan « Great, just laughed aloud in the office...
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aaronpk
lauren: laurenhudgins.com
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aaronpk
lauren: i made this to graduate from my MA program
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aaronpk
... but soon this will be a showcase of my writing
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aaronpk
... i wanted both a blog and a static page, so known wasn't quite the right fit for me
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aaronpk
... so i'm back to wordpress
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GWG
aaronpk: Did someone say WordPress?
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@ev
AdWord in my Gmail: "Start your OWN Twitter - PHP Micro-Blogging Script less than $35 - Tons of Features - Ajax" Damn, wish I'd known.
(twtr.io/1BaXmw)
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aaronpk
lillian: anomalily.net
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aaronpk
... my occasional known instance that's mostly super broken is lilliankarabaic.com
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aaronpk
... i blogged today, but on my business website, about how i eat tacos every day
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aaronpk
... the last thing i did on my personal website is probably at indiewebcamp in july
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aaronpk
... i want to redesign my website but i feel like i say that every indiewebcamp
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aaronpk
... i used to release versions of my website every 3 months back when my website was just html
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aaronpk
lauren: the internet was a much simpler place back then
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aaronpk
(more discussions reminiscing about old internet times)
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aaronpk
anomalily: i was never on myspace because i had my own website
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aaronpk
marilyn: see, if i hosted my own website i probably wouldn't have lost my website
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aaronpk
diana: i'm very new, i'm here to be inspired. i would definitely want a website of my own.
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aaronpk
... duly noted. maybe i will stick to html.
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tantek
makes a quiet note to aaronpk to take a photo!
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tantek
so far it is KevinMarks and me here in SF
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aaronpk
planning on it :)
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@ev
AdWord in my Gmail: "Start your OWN Twitter - PHP Micro-Blogging Script less than $35 - Tons of Features - Ajax" Damn, wish I'd known.
(twtr.io/1BaXmw)
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acegiak
tantek: Apparently my oldest reposts don't display properly anymore. *puts fix on todo list*
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Loqi
acegiak: tantek left you a message 37 minutes ago: could you also add your plain-repost (no comment) examples to https://indieweb.org/repost#IndieWeb_Examples ? And especially if you know when you first posted one!
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tantek
ooh interesting
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tantek
curious what happened
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GWG
acegiak: I need to have a look at your code. I still want to try to get some functions that could be called by a theme into Semantic Linkbacks.
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acegiak
tantek: changes to the way that data was stored in the post_kinds plugin
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tantek
yikes, non-backward compat data storage / schema changes!
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tantek
that's the kind of thing that I think I sweat the most over in my code
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acegiak
I'm debating running a data conversion versus adding a backwards compatability function
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tantek
I do the latter first, then postpone any such data conversion / cleanup to a mass export / re-import later
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GWG
acegiak: Stay tuned
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miklb
GWG how soon do you think you'd be creating a "quotation-of" kind? Should I fork and add? I'd do a addon plugin, but you said quote was reserved.
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acegiak
Oh, I can maybe hook into gwg's existing code for converting old datastructures to new
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acegiak
miklb: you can create a new plugin to add your own kinds
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GWG
miklb: I want to work on it. But PRs are always welcome
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GWG
acegiak: Mood is now a reserved word.
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acegiak
ah ok!
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acegiak
I need to work out a low friction way to enter that data
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miklb
acegiak quote is reserved, so I would have to use something else, which is fine, but if the core plugin added quote later, it wouldn't be compatible
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GWG
I held it for you
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acegiak
thanks
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acegiak
Oh! I could use a similar function to what I already use for entering gameplay data through my chat bot
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tantek
acegiak - yes I'm a fan of low friction ways to enter data!
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tantek
e.g. I imply data from text prose
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acegiak
should be able to have him prompt me to enter data regularly as well
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tantek
IMO that's part of text first design, not just text first output, but text first input!
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acegiak
I just wish the Riot app for Matrix had more reliable push notifications :/
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tantek
here at SF I'm relating to Kevinmarks my struggles with automating my Upcoming Events box on my site via my RSVP posts
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tantek
what is Riot?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Riot" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10_d
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KevinMarks
do emoji count as text? 'cos they could work for mood
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acegiak
KevinMarks, I think we might have discussed that previously?
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acegiak
I kind of want to store mood as a floating point number that is USUALLY between -1 and 1
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acegiak
so that I can graph it and link it to other data
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acegiak
to see what is fucking me up
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tantek
acegiak oh dear. don't make me look up and cite Emotion Markup Language :P
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acegiak
but then to use an emoji display for that number
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tantek
there is more than one axis to measure with a number like that
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KevinMarks
we did! - the jawbone has that
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tantek
in case you're seriously looking into doing that ;)
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acegiak
tantek: Oh, yeah I'm aware of that
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acegiak
I'm just taking cues from apps and things that I've found easy to use and effective
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tantek
*clicks edit*
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acegiak
if there were a way to get my data out of pacifica I would use it so much more
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tantek
what is pacifica?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "pacifica" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10_e
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acegiak
pacifica is a mood tracking and meditation app for smartphones
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tantek
what is Leaf?
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Loqi
Leaf is a health tracker device that looks like jewelry that runs passively 24/7, wirelessly syncs with a native app (iOS or Android), runs for 6 months on a replaceable battery, and tracks steps, distance, calories burned, active minutes, sleep, monthly cycle, meditation https://indieweb.org/Leaf
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tantek
acegiak: have you seen this ^^^
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tantek
these are the things that draw my attention when I randomly go to a yoga convention marketplace
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acegiak
oh! That's super neat!
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tantek
what is Emotion Markup Language?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Emotion Markup Language" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10_f
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tantek
Emotion Markup Language is /mood#Emotion_Markup_Language
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tantek
there you made me do it :P
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acegiak
I'm reading about both things now
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acegiak
I always feel like if I'm gonna have a tracker like that or a smartwatch or whatever I am gonna want a heart rate monitor in it
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tantek
how are everyone's 100daysof projects going?
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aaronpk
i'm officially half way done! today was day 50!
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tantek
today was day 20 for me! (for my much more modest 100days of)
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acegiak
I'm up to day 405 of selfies and journals :P
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tantek
we are waiting for benwerd to take a photo
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acegiak
oh! this exists! https://pypi.python.org/pypi/aiml/0.8.6 I might be able to upgrade my chatbot!
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tantek
what is a chatbot?
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Loqi
A chatbot is a piece of software that interacts with a user via a chat/DM protocol rather than having its own app or protocol https://indieweb.org/chatbot
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tantek
You know how Kevin Rose used to do Diggnation? I suggested to KevinMarks that he and I do Indienation (but with ciders instead of beers)
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tantek
And he suggested we do Indignation (!!!)
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aaronpk
lolololol
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KevinMarks
we have tantek livestreaming on something
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aaronpk
"on something" lol
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aaronpk
we tuned into the stream from portland briefly!
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[acegiak_net]
So my partner is gonna move her site from paid shared hosting to our homeserver and were thinking about indieweb stuff. The thing is her current website is her professional portfolio and we're trying to work out how to reconcile that with the kind of social contebt, if any, that we usually see on indieweb sites
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tantek
acegiak: sounds like a fit for a static site first to get the portfolio stuff reliably working
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tantek
and then add social on top / on the side
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[acegiak_net]
Yeah definitely. Just trying to work out how we want to add the social in
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[acegiak_net]
Are there many people who have their h-feed on not their landing page?
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aaronpk
[acegiak_net]: i've kind of been dealing with that myself. i've started adding more and more stuff onto the top of my "feed"
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aaronpk
there's almost a whole screen-ful of stuff before you see my "social media" posts now
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[acegiak_net]
That's an interesting way of doing it!
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aaronpk
i still haven't figured out how to feature or link to my "projects" page on my home page yet
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[acegiak_net]
I have a bunch of my projects type stuff in a sidebar that might otherwise be ad space etc
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[acegiak_net]
But those are manually added. Was thinking about populating from my "portfolio" category but that doesn't include my t-shirt designs etc
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[acegiak_net]
But Emily's site the work is central: http://blackwoolholiday.com
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tantek
aaronpk if you hook your iPhone into a lightning to VGA converter and plug that into your projector, you can then watch live TV!
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aaronpk
i just airplayed your stream to the tv here!
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tantek
what is a composite stream?
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Loqi
A composite stream is a stream that interleaves multiple types of posts, such as notes and articles https://indieweb.org/composite_stream
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aaronpk
i havea photo i will upload :)
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tantek
acegiak: ^^^ see examples there
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tantek
I think there's at least one where the person's stream is not on their home page
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tantek
aaronpk: yeah airplay!
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KevinMarks
I did that a bit too on kevinmarks.com
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[acegiak_net]
Yeah I need to make WhisperFollow be able to handle that because at the moment it assumes homepage==stream page
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KevinMarks
getting mysql errors at the top of blackwool
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[acegiak_net]
Yeah the WordPress is v broken which is one of the reasons we're migrating
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acegiak
GWG: this is the icon I used for mood because a standard happy face is counter-intuitive
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GWG
I thought I included that in the repo
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acegiak
oh! maybe!
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acegiak
the version I have currently is a smiley face...
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acegiak
maybe I don't have the right version
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GWG
Otherwise, happy to swap it.
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GWG
You are correct.
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GWG
I thought I used what you had. Did you change it at some point?
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acegiak
it's currently a smiley which feels weird because I'm subbing in an emoji with JS
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acegiak
I wouldn't have ever used the smiley
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acegiak
though my thought bubble one was occasionally buggy to start with so maybe that was the reason?
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GWG
I swapped it
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GWG
I want to do some work on Post Kinds. It hasn't gotten love in a bit.
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GWG
I just finished spreading some love around my other projects.
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GWG: Your swap didn't work. I've submitted a PR
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acegiak
Still not displaying properly on my site though :/
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acegiak
but emojifying the mood value is working! https://acegiak.net/2017/02/09/feeling-tired-3/
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acegiak
the fact that the svg thing defaults to the github icon is weird
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