#indieweb 2017-02-10

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Loqi [indieweb] "I'm using a relatively standard WordPress set up with a handful of relatively standard "alternate" feeds advertised in my site , but Feedly doesn't seem" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-02-10 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/im-using-a-relatively-standard-wordpress-set-up-with-a
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acegiak yay! I managed to override the wordpress video shortcode so now it just displays a default htl5 video rather than a js extra stupid thing
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Loqi yay!
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tantek jsextrastupidthing--
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Loqi jsextrastupidthing has -1 karma
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Loqi tantek: Zegnat left you a message 2 hours, 15 minutes ago: what
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tantek lol
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GWG acegiak: That is why I need to get back to it. I removed a bunch of redundant code and I may have not finished. I agreed in future to use a branch for that.
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GWG acegiak: Sounds nice.
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miklb branches++
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acegiak GWG: is there an older commit I can roll back to?
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GWG Likely before I made changes in the metabox callback
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GWG I wasn't taking advantage of things
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GWG Wait...I changed the Kind Metabox, not the URL metabox.
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GWG Nothing should be broken there
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acegiak GWG: is there a rule where you can't save the URL box if it's a note kind?
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GWG Possibly.
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acegiak because now that I've reverted to before your changed the metabox code I can change the kind and hte url box works fine
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GWG I don't remember.
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GWG That is why I want to look
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GWG I have been immersed in my other projects
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acegiak yeah legit
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GWG acegiak: I have been fixing things left and right, so I'll get there eventually.
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GWG Of course, I've also been breaking new things, so...
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acegiak lol
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acegiak I worked out that kindsprite.svg has the other svgs IN it so I had to edit inside it to get the new icon to show up
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acegiak lol
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GWG acegiak: I use grunt to auto-generate it.
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-02-10.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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acegiak GWG: oh! I don't tend to use any of those things :P
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GWG I just use it to do things like merge a bunch of svg files.
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KevinMarks How big are the svg files? There are odd trade offs there
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GWG KevinMarks: The last time we talked about SVGs I obsessed too long
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[kevinmarks] Use them as single files first, then see if it's worth spriting or in lining
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[kevinmarks] Also, as we move to http2 a lot of this goes away
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GWG [kevinmarks]: It is already done.
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aaronpk whoa bridgy supports facebook reposts?!
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snarfed backfeed yes, mostly. publish no.
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Loqi snarfed: gRegorLove left you a message 1 week, 1 day ago: woot! I'll try to break something else now. ;)
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gRegorLove haha
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aaronpk interesting, this is kind of a quote tweet
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Loqi rofl
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aaronpk or "repost with comment"
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aaronpk i've never seen this before
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snarfed oh yeah, FB shares can include comments
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aaronpk isn't that basically equivalent to twitter's quoted tweet then?
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snarfed yes
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snarfed also i think FB renders subtly differently depending on whether you included a comment or not. also similar to twitter
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@100daysindieweb Day 51: Authorization Server for https://Micropub.rocks/ #100DaysOfIndieWeb: https://aaronparecki.com/2017/02/09/18/day-51-micropub-rocks (twitter.com/_/status/829932991979757569)
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[kevinmarks] We need to document these carefully
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[acegiak_net] aaronpk, weren't we discussing repost with comment the other day?
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jaduncan[m] Today in silo deaths, Adidas MiCoach is going away (although with an admirably long notice period)
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jaduncan[m] sent a long message: jaduncan[m]_2017-02-10_07:13:12.txt - https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/OyqdLhKAGvXBHUDxanAwDAgH
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jaduncan[m] It's moderately wince inducing that it also kills the hardware.
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@wastemobile POSSE https://indieweb.org/POSSE vs. PESOS https://indieweb.org/PESOS #note (twitter.com/_/status/829954460512186368)
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@edsu @wdenton blogs++ indieweb++ (twitter.com/_/status/829954834107338753)
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@t #100DoPP d21: brainstormed inferring RSVP reply-contexts, use thereof for upcoming events box: https://indieweb.org/Falcon#RSVP_reply-context (ttk.me t4mm2) (twitter.com/_/status/829960799632420869)
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tantek just made it
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Loqi [indieweb] "What to do about bookmarked pages?" by Jeremy Cherfas on 2017-02-10 https://vaviblog.com/2017/what-to-do-about-bookmarked-pages
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acegiak heehee! now if you hover over the emoji for a mood post it displays the numerical value!
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acegiak and also my chatbot prompts me to enter mood data every 2.5-5 hours
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jeremycherfas Very cool.
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GWG Morning
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acegiak morning GWG!
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Loqi guten morgen
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GWG How are things, acegiak?
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petermolnar I see acegiak's next step: automate mood entering based on ~fitbit data
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Zegnat acegiak, does that mean mood is one dimensional?
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GWG Hello, petermolnar
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petermolnar hey
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acegiak Zegnat: For my purposes currently, yeah. I know it's a simplification but it's all I need at the moment
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acegiak sometimes I log moods without a number as well
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acegiak petermolnar: an activity tracker that measured heartrate and wasn't super bulky is something I'd love to have
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acegiak I'd like to track sleep but can't work out how sleep tracking works without heart rate monitoring?
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petermolnar in the early smartphone days there were a few apps which wanted to sleep next to you on the mattress stating that it can measure you sleep cycle according to the movements and vibrations it picks up
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petermolnar they were all paid app, so /me open source enthusiast skipped them
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[dgold] petermolnar - I snagged one of those free one weekend in an app store sale
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[dgold] oh, its now free with an IAP for 'pro' features - Sleep Cycle Alarm Clock
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GWG acegiak, I just bought something that monitors movement
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GWG It uses that to determine sleep
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jeremycherfas I use Sleep Cycle but I’ve never bothered to download those data. I really don’t need to own them.
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jeremycherfas It does sync with Health app on iOS, but I don’t know whether there is any way to access that.
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GWG Right now, I don't feel the need to post my sleep data.
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sebsel yeah but owning your data !== post your data.
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sebsel Sleep Cycle offers CSV export (last time I checked), but that does only include the times you went to bed and woke up
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sebsel they have more data in those images, but you can't get that
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petermolnar it seems like the same problem with Google location history: you can request and export to kml manually but not from api, so no auto-PESOS
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voxpelli notices that the built in Health.app in iOS allows data to be exported, so one really owns all the data in there, which means any application that adds data to Health.app, like sleep data, makes that data truly yours
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sebsel what is Health.app?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Health.app" yet. Would you like to create it?_h
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[acegiak_net] My compulsion to publically post data about myself is rapidly coming into violent contact with suddenly being a more vulnerable person online
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[acegiak_net] Suddenly is a strong word, just feels that way to me
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[acegiak_net] GWG: thinking about making a custom posting interface for lower friction entry of a couple of post types...
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[acegiak_net] Specifically from mobile
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petermolnar [acegiak_net] that is the reason why I don't do checkins and locations posts
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petermolnar I do collect my location and POST it to my server, but that's for geotagging photos purpose solely
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[acegiak_net] Yeah, definitely. I wish there were a low friction way for people I trust to see that data on my site if they want to but short of having them log in and maintain cookies/sessions I got nothin
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petermolnar there is, however, one thing I miss from our current world: a local contact list based geonotification if a friend is around and if that support is enabled, but it looks like this can't be done without at least one centralized thing
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Loqi misses from our current world: a local contact list based geonotification if a friend is around and if that support is enabled, but it looks like this can't be done without at least one centralized thing too
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petermolnar thank you, Loqi, I promise if I see any other AIs around you, I'll let you know
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[acegiak_net] I could invite @dobby into the room :P
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[acegiak_net] No one wants that
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petermolnar who is @dobby?
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[acegiak_net] My chatbot. I spent half of this evening getting him back up on twitter
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[acegiak_net] But also interfaces with IRC, Matrix, and tumblr
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[acegiak_net] Twitter.com/dobbybot
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petermolnar this reminded me of https://medium.com/@beweinreich/two-years-spamming-spammers-back-2e734ce9593c#.guyzfipqo
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voxpelli Health.app is http://www.apple.com/ios/health/
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petermolnar too late
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voxpelli Just as well, crappy description ;)
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sebsel Health.app is a build in iOS app by Apple that collects health data from other apps
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sebsel hm, I meant to copy paste that after...
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sebsel what is Health.app?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Health.app" yet. Would you like to create it?_i
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sebsel Health.app is a build in iOS app by Apple that collects health data from other apps
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Loqi ok
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sebsel :)
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sebsel Health.app << http://www.apple.com/ios/health/
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Loqi ok, I added "http://www.apple.com/ios/health/" to the "See Also" section of /Health.app
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Zegnat petermolnar, decentralised geo tracking is interesting, but you would quickly get into [acegiak_net]'s problem of fencing of who gets at your data.
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Zegnat I could WebPub whenever I update a GPS page, and you could subscribe to that and generate a notification if I am close to you.
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Zegnat But how do I make sure the whole world doesn't subscribe to that...
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petermolnar that depends. in flickr, for example you can setup geofences: location of photos made there are not shown
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petermolnar so whatever published the location could have areas that are prevented from publishing position or the other way around, areas enabled to publish
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petermolnar eg. I'd block my home and workplace and similar, but enable a few public places, pubs, libraries to publish if I'm right there
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Zegnat Right. So I might only publish my position when I am visiting certain places. But not sure if that makes sense. It would never allow you to see if I am home when you are passing my town, for example.
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Zegnat I should not have used the term fence off, as I didn't mean it as geofencing. Just as keeping people out.
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Loqi it is probable
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petermolnar it would work the other way around: you, in your geofenced home would see I'm around; see this from the depths of the internet from caseorganic and aaronpk: http://caseorganic.com/?p=3669
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petermolnar I've looked into owntracks and mqtt brokers yesterday and a private mqtt broker is perfect for this
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[acegiak_net] Really tempted to scan my visitors' browser footprints for evidence they might be one of my friends and then use that to work out a low impact login/auth to view private content
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[acegiak_net] But I'm so bad at authorisation stuff in general...
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petermolnar imaginery scenario: some people I have in my contact list have private mqtt brokers; I subscribe to them. When it's allowed I post my location to their brokers and if they are listening, they get a notification.
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[acegiak_net] Anyway I should sleep before these crazy late night idea take hold
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voxpelli petermolnar: I request to follow you, you approve my request, I subscribe to your WebSub-enabled composite stream, you add GPS-stuff there with the accuracy you trust me with, I react to that data when I feel it's of interest to me
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petermolnar indeed
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[acegiak_net] What is mqtt?
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Loqi MQTT is (MQ Telemetry Transport), a lightweight pub-sub protocol over TCP most commonly used in IoT applications https://indieweb.org/MQTT
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petermolnar however, mqtt is probably the most efficient way of doing this
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voxpelli what was fire eagle?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "fire eagle" yet. Would you like to create it?_j
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petermolnar I'm aware google latitude offered similar ideas, but I'm still having bad feelings about having my location data in google. not that I can avoid it :(
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voxpelli Fire Eagle was a Yahoo service that stored a persons geolocation and shared it with other applications over an OAuth with application specific accuracy levels
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Loqi ok
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petermolnar oh
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voxpelli petermolnar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_Eagle – that was one really exciting service, waaaaaay ahead of its time
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petermolnar 'Launched August 12, 2008' - too early
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voxpelli "Services which supported Fire Eagle included Pownce, Dopplr, Brightkite and Moveable Type" – web 2.0 at its finest :)
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petermolnar is spending an awful lot of time on archive.org today
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petermolnar there, offtopic, slighly rude language: http://web.archive.org/web/20061104191103/http://www.interface-7.net/20060919/
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petermolnar (re web 2.0)
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petermolnar looking at the success of snapchat, a service with no directly web-facing interface, with similar features to fire eagle could be a success
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petermolnar realizing I described the default way how owntracks works
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miklb_ good morning! I see GWG was active last night
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snarfed morning miklb!
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miklb I feel like I need to schedule a virtual IWC so I can plan a big block of time to do all the work I want to do on my site :-)
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aaronpk or, break it up into a bunch of much smaller projects and do one each day! ;-)
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miklb I've thought about that!
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tantek good morning #indieweb!
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tantek is collecting such "smaller projects" on his Working On / Itches lists
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gRegorLove Good morning, tantek!
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tantek what is being planned?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "being planned" yet. Would you like to create it?_k
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tantek being planned is /Planning
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Loqi ok
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tantek hmm 2016 dates still in there, needs some cleanup
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tantek what is being planned?
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Loqi The IndieWebCamp community is planning numerous upcoming events, including future IndieWebCamps, regular Homebrew Website Club meetups, talks, and other proposals — if you'd like to help, please contribute to this page! https://indieweb.org/being_planned
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tantek nice
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tantek checks werd.io for HWC SF photo
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tantek hmm - looks like the next HWC needs some venues / cities quickly!
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tantek https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-02-10.html
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tantek or if Tuesday is happening Zegnat sebsel you need to create that event page and add it to /Events ASAP!
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tantek gRegorLove: can you confirm hosting HWC Bellingham in two weeks? https://indieweb.org/events/2017-02-22-homebrew-website-club#Where
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tantek !tell Jeena will there be a HWC Göteborg 2017-02-22? https://indieweb.org/events/2017-02-22-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek aaronpk - same for PDX https://indieweb.org/events/2017-02-22-homebrew-website-club#Where
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tantek heh - the indie microblogging bookmark gets double-billing - again in this week
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tantek !tell sknebel were you able to take a HWC Berlin photo? How did it go? https://indieweb.org/events/2017-02-08-homebrew-website-club#Photos
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell cdevroe how did HWC Scranton go? Want to do it again in two weeks? https://indieweb.org/events/2017-02-22-homebrew-website-club#Where
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG miklb, I was active. Thoughts?
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sknebel tantek: didn't take a photo. Went well in general, 5 people there, just need to find another venue for the next one
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Loqi sknebel: tantek left you a message 11 minutes ago: were you able to take a HWC Berlin photo? How did it go? https://indieweb.org/events/2017-02-08-homebrew-website-club#Photos
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[eddie] Loqi bot is blowing my mind with it’s integration with the wiki...
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gRegorLove tantek: Sure. I'm thinking about not continuing it much more though. Nobody's come for a while.
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Zegnat Tantek I think my next train has WiFi. Will see if I can get a Tuesday event page up. Unless sebsel is available and takes care of it.
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tantek gRegorLove: that makes sense. maybe switch to monthly?
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aaronpk i'm thinking about switching to monthly as well
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gRegorLove Maybe. Feeling kind of burnt out.
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miklb GWG I haven't pulled down the new code, just saw the GitHub activity.
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Zegnat Train has wifi but I am going to be left standing for the next 40 minutes so don't expect an event page coming up from me.
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Zegnat sebsel ^^^
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[kevinmarks] Benwerd offered Matter for next sf venue
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tantek KevinMarks: is that a for sure?
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tantek can you update wiki accordingly?
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sebsel Zegnat uh-o, will grab my laptop from upstairs then!
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sebsel tantek how manual is this thing? just copy paste the newest one, or is there a template?
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sebsel ah, found the guide on https://indieweb.org/events
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Zegnat Don't forget to call it the Super Special Valentine's Edition ;)
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sebsel haha, haven't found a place to do so
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Loqi hehe
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sebsel what is next hwc?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/next-hwc
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sebsel okay, no info. But: should I update that too? We're only a in-between
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tantek when is the next hwc?
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club Meetup is on 2017-02-22 at Location: tbd (Betahaus cafe is hosting an event) https://indieweb.org/next-hwc
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sebsel ah, when!
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sebsel when is events/2017-02-14-homebrew-website-club?
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sebsel :(
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KevinMarks1 hm, came back again with refresh
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GWG Afternoon
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tantek afternoon
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GWG Hello, tantek.
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GWG I have a sudden desire to read itches
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GWG Is there a most recently updated user pages URL in the wiki?
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sknebel GWG: http://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=30&namespace=2
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GWG That works
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KevinMarks1 pinboards 'how to staic wordpress' http://idlewords.com/2009/09/using_wordpress_to_generate_flat_files.htm
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snarfed KevinMarks: heh, that's kind of how my site works. i use a plugin that caches rendered pages in long-lived files on disk, which are then served by apache without running any PHP at all. (usually.)
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snarfed s/any/much/
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KevinMarks1 https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/830082180651048962
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@Pinboard I actually love the WordPress business model. Release an unsecurable product for free, then charge ransom to run it for people (twitter.com/_/status/830082180651048962)
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KevinMarks1 https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/830081690806714370
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@Pinboard If your goal is to publish text once in a while, don’t run a giant hairball of live code/snakes. Sync text files, or pay WP to do it for you (twitter.com/_/status/830081690806714370)
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GWG Feh
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-02-10.html
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GWG The Pinboard guy, whose last name I cannot remember how to spell, has always been a bit cynical.
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GWG I run my site with a static cache as well.
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gRegorLove That first one re: the WP business model is pretty accurate in my experience
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GWG snarfed, I am back on Bridgy Publish work, how is it that I am sending the full URL and the tweet doesn't show pretty permalinks?
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GWG Gregorlove, but supporting your open source project with hosted support is not ransom.
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KevinMarks1 Maciej Ceglowski
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snarfed gRegorLove KevinMarks: that basically describes all computer security for anything, not wordpress specific :P
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snarfed GWG: example?
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GWG KevinMarks, I know. I just never remember that spelling
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GWG I rarely type it
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GWG snarfed, anything in the n9nus Twitter account.
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gRegorLove I call him Mr Bacon Meteor
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snarfed GWG: mind giving me a specific example? bug reports generally want to be specific, not broad or vague :P
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GWG snarfed, I thought you might have an idea about why. Will give a specific example shortly. Have to change location
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gRegorLove !tell Salt Any news on Seattle IWC?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed GWG: looking at this example, https://tiny.n9n.us/2017/02/10/this-is-a-modification-test/ , it has <data class="p-bridgy-omit-link" value="true">
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Loqi [David Shanske] Testing.
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tantek sknebel++ that's a clever link for recently updated users!
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Loqi sknebel has 12 karma in this channel (19 overall)
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tantek what is recently updated users?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "recently updated users" yet. Would you like to create it?_n
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tantek recently updated users is /wiki/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=30&namespace=2
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Loqi ok
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tantek let's see if that works
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GWG snarfed: Someone claimed that feature wasn't working properly, but it turned out they misunderstood that True means no link, not link.
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tantek ah, not quite
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tantek true meaning omit?
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GWG snarfed: https://twitter.com/n9nus/status/827884239911841792
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@n9nus No data just test (https://tiny.n9n.us/?p=3262) (twitter.com/_/status/827884239911841792)
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snarfed omit_link=True, so yes
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snarfed yeah, naming options as negations isn't the best UX :/
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GWG tantek: I figured it was easier to change the text in my interface than change Bridgy.
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snarfed GWG: (...and all bridgy clients :P)
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GWG snarfed: Exactly.
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GWG But I can make it say something else and still send you what you need.
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tantek hmm what about recently updated projects?
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snarfed GWG++
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Loqi gwg has 187 karma in this channel (204 overall)
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GWG snarfed: Do you use Bridgy Publish for your publishing needs?
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snarfed GWG: nope. manual until it hurts
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GWG snarfed: I'm just wondering if I am doing something wrong, or if Bridgy is shwoing the actual link instead of the pretty one.
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GWG Trying to figure out how to find out.
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snarfed GWG: not sure. i'll look. thx for the example!
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snarfed first place to look is the publish log
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GWG snarfed: https://brid.gy/log?start_time=1486217958&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyVQsSDVB1Ymxpc2hlZFBhZ2UiLmh0dHBzOi8vdGlueS5uOW4udXMvMjAxNy8wMi8wNC9leGNlcHRpb24tdGVzdC8MCxIHUHVibGlzaBiAgICAgICACgw
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GWG snarfed: It says I sent the full URL.
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snarfed GWG: it's also determined by rel-shortlink, etc. https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/173
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snarfed needs documenting
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snarfed gotta run, but thanks for debugging!
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-02-10.html
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tantek wonders if all the next HWC stuff was setup
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tantek oops apparently not!
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tantek hmm
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tantek goes to edit a few pages
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tantek aaronpk we can still manually regen til 15:00 right? or 14:59?
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@kevinmarks does the http://t.co redirector make this kind of attack easier? https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2017/02/de-anonymizing_1.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/830187596206596096)
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Loqi [indieweb] "does the t.co redirector make this kind of attack easier? https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2017/02/de-anonymizing_1.html #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-02-10 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/does-the-tco-redirector-make-this-kind-of-attack-easier
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tantek aaronpk, try regenerating the newsletter?
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aaronpk i just regenerated. did that fix it?
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tantek hopefully for the 14th
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tantek now we just need to fix the 22nd
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tantek which looks odd
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tantek "Location: tbd (Betahaus cafe is hosting an event)"
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tantek hmm Upcoming Events in the newsletter does not show the 14th
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aaronpk eep i do not know why
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tantek race condition? wiki caching?
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tantek editing the event page...
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tantek ok this looks good http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https://indieweb.org/events/2017-02-14-homebrew-website-club
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tantek and /events looks good
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tantek not sure what else to do?
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aaronpk the 14th is on there now!
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tantek ok at least that is good
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tantek the 22nd still shows no venues :/
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tantek tries to fix a little
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tantek ok 22nd is "fixed" for Berlin and Bellingham at least!
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tantek problem with the 22nd was TBD for the venue for Berlin (commented out the rest of the loc), and Bellingham had the old h-card vcard double markup. Simplified that and hopefully it should work now
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tantek well at least the 14th made it into the email version
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-02-10.html https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/830193398007025664/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/830193398007025664)
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aaronpk aw the portland photo didn't make it into the tweet!
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aaronpk it looks like the tweet used the photos in reverse order
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aaronpk hm my code intended to use the last 4 photos rather than the first 4 photos. i wonder why
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tantek wat
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tantek I thought it would use the first four so for sure would get the Portland photo! that's why I moved it first!@
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tantek did that change?
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aaronpk not in a while
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aaronpk but there's a comment saying it will use the last 4 photos, so i wonder what my intent of that was
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tantek that is very odd
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aaronpk i should make it to face detection and sort the photos by number of faces
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tantek whoa
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Loqi yea
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