#indieweb 2017-02-11

2017-02-11 UTC
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tantek
what is Path?
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Loqi
Path is a content hosting silo for private sharing of information among a small (limit: https://indieweb.org/Path
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tantek
what is retweet?
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Loqi
A retweet is a silo-native repost of a tweet on Twitter https://indieweb.org/retweet
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tantek
what is repath?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "repath" yet. Would you like to create it?_q
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tantek
A repath is a silo-native repost of a path post (including a [[photo]] or [[video]]) on [[Path]].
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tantek
(as found in their 5.10.0 Path.app release notes for what's new: "Repath photos and videso even faster than before!")
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@kevinmarks
If you got caught up in @ppk's tools foofooraw earlier, do read @adrianholovaty's post about it http://www.holovaty.com/writing/ppk-talk/ #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/830211695503036416)
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tantek
what is foofooraw?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "foofooraw" yet. Would you like to create it?_r
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@namedotcom
One goal of @indiewebcamp is to encourage people to get domains. So we're showering @aaronpk with swag and accolade… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/830214204443357184
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tantek
what is name.com?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "name.com" yet. Would you like to create it?_u
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tantek
domain registrar? web host? both? more?
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@StartupDeckGuru
namedotcom: One goal of indiewebcamp is to encourage people to get domains. So we're showering aaronpk with swag a… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/830214204443357184
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gRegorLove
registrar and host
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tantek
sounds worth defining
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[kevinmarks]
Foofooraw is brouhaha
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Loqi
rofl
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@wltrd
@m_ott @kringkaste ich weiss noch nicht ob ich zur #btconf gehen, aber zur #indiewebcamp sollte ich es schaffen
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Zegnat
Good morning IndieWeb
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acegiak
Thinking I might add local caching of hotlinked images to my itch list because I already have some post where I've reposted something that's later disappeared so the images are now dead
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acegiak
morning Zegnat!
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voxpelli
Good morning!
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@HwcBrussels
Hey #indieweb community! Got friends in Brussels/Belgium? Tell them about http://HWC.Brussels, our first event is on 2nd March. Cheers!
(twitter.com/_/status/830370148829843456)
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@RikMende
Hey #indieweb community! Got friends in Brussels/Belgium? Tell them about http://HWC.Brussels, our first event is on 2nd March. Cheers!
(twitter.com/_/status/830372962624696321)
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Zegnat
So, everyone is flying in for /next-hwc, correct?
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jeremycherfas
Zegbnat: I wish. Still waiting for an online hangout I could attend.
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jeremycherfas
Zegnat: apologies for typo.
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Zegnat
You can just start an online one for the next HWC date, jeremycherfas.
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jeremycherfas
I could Zegnat but I’m such a newbie that I have little to offer and much to learn.
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voxpelli
I find this channel to be pretty lively during HWC:s, so it's always possible to somewhat attend by just hanging around here :)
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Zegnat
Yes, just being here during HWC can be great enough. Or just check the day before HWC if anyone else wont be making it to HWC and decide to form an online one then.
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[cdevroe]
GGW Installing Bridgy Publish update.
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Loqi
[cdevroe]: tantek left you a message 19 hours, 47 minutes ago: how did HWC Scranton go? Want to do it again in two weeks? https://indieweb.org/events/2017-02-22-homebrew-website-club#Where
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[cdevroe]
!tell tantek Yes! We will be doing it again in two weeks for sure. And I’d imagine many times to come. Thanks for asking and for the encouragement to have the event.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sebsel
Since I made my site automatic fetch reposts when I just do a micropub repost-of=tweeturl, I retweet way to much :')
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sebsel
my conclusion: low friction posting works.
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jeremycherfas
Voxpelli: do people usually do it as a Google hangout?
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voxpelli
jeremycherfas: No idea, I myself is a bigger fan of written chats than video/voice chats
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jeremycherfas
Agreed, except for one-on-one.
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[cdevroe]
GGW If you happen to be online at some point today and I am too I’d like to Skype.
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sknebel
[cdevroe]: it's GWG ;)
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[cdevroe]
Oops. Slack autocomplete sometimes doesn’t work here. Perhaps do to bridge.
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GWG
I am around.
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GWG
Was just being lazy today
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Zegnat
jeremycherfas I believe the last online HWC was a Hngouts groep, yves.
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Zegnat
Dutch autocorrect bleeding through.
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GWG
I participated in the last online HWC and IWC
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GWG
It was Hangouts
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GWG
It may be a closed product, but you can download the video.
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lukasros
loqi there?
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lukasros
What is Now?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Now" yet. Would you like to create it?_x
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lukasros
Saw this recently and thought it's quite in line with IndieWeb sites.
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petermolnar
that "now" idea is interesting, I'm guessing quite a few could put it together from all the quantified data they collect, rhiaro comes in to my mind first
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aaronpk
i think it's meant to be more narrative than data-driven
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aaronpk
i kind of have that just on my home page at the top
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aaronpk
or my projects page is kind of along those lines
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lukasros
I also understood it as more narrative. Of course it could be generated by code but that would probably defeat its purpose.
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lukasros
Personal websites often have it but not always as dedicated page.
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snarfed
GWG: re your bridgy publish permalink q, https://tiny.n9n.us/2017/02/04/exception-test/ has <link rel='shortlink' href='https://tiny.n9n.us/?p=3262' /> , which bridgy publish obeys
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Loqi
[David Shanske] No data just test
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snarfed
added to the docs, thanks for the nudge. https://brid.gy/about#short-link
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GWG
snarfed: Problem is that WordPress generates the shortlink code whether you have a shortlink or not. So, I'm going to have to remove the generation unless the option to send the shortlink is enabled in the UI plugin.
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snarfed
GWG: got it. i'm open to suggestions on how to prioritize permalinks in bridgy publish
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GWG
snarfed: Is there any way I could tell Bridgy to ignore the shortlink rel?
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snarfed
not yet, but like i said, i'm open to suggestions
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sebsel
bridy_omit_link=yeahwellkinda :P
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GWG
What about a query param on the target link?
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snarfed
GWG: i have to think there's an existing way to disable wordpress's rel-shortlink when it's not actually a shortlink, like in this case
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GWG
snarfed: There is a way to remove the filter, yes
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snarfed
i meant UI. is it from jetpack? the theme? core?
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snarfed
GWG: from that page: "if a shortlink is defined for the current page." seems like that's not what you're seeing. maybe investigate more?
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GWG
It can't be Jetpack as my test site doesn't have it
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snarfed
gotta run, bbiab
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Comment on RSS Feeds: A Follow up on My IndieWeb Commitment 2017 by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-02-10 http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/18/rss-feeds-a-follow-up-on-my-indieweb-commitment-2017/#comment-33779
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GWG
I have been looking for mf2 properties to support in my link preview, as I am updating the code
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tantek
GWG, glad to hear it
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Loqi
tantek: [cdevroe] left you a message 6 hours, 19 minutes ago: Yes! We will be doing it again in two weeks for sure. And I’d imagine many times to come. Thanks for asking and for the encouragement to have the event.
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tantek
cdevroe++ awesome!
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Loqi
cdevroe has 13 karma
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tantek
GWG, do you mean parsing mf2 properties to support in your link preview?
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GWG
tantek, any advice? This is sort of my version of aaronpk's x-ray.
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GWG
tantek, and reply context and possibly Webmention parsing. I was trying to be generic.
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tantek
GWG, indeed, I was similarly brainstorming about parsing out things for a RSVP reply-context
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tantek
I think the big ones are post name (if any), and author name+photo
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GWG
My first step is always to read what aaronpk did. He is usually ahead of me.
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tantek
what is link preview?
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Loqi
A link preview is what posts show about one or more embedded links, e.g https://indieweb.org/link-preview
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voxpelli
what is jf2?
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Loqi
jf2 is a working prototype of a simpler JSON serialization of microformats2 https://indieweb.org/jf2
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voxpelli
^ some inspiration when it comes to picking mf2-properties out, with some real world examples
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tantek
ah I see we need a simple "how to" for parsing link preview properties from microformats
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GWG
I basically just want to provide a URL and get the relevant properties in a simplified form no matter what I am displaying
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GWG
voxpelli, I was going to return something jf2 like.
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GWG
I figured before I did a run at enhancing my display code, I should extract all the properties I might want to display.
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GWG
So I am sitting here and asking...is having rel/u-syndication a good idea?
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voxpelli
I would say the opposite, enhance your display code and extract the properties you need to do that and then extend it step by step with every new place that uses the code
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GWG
voxpelli, I basically rewrote the code to extract any property I put in an array. So I can come back and amend.
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voxpelli
I only extract the properties that I'm currently using – I can always go back and extract the rest at a later date (and I also store the raw result of the mf2 parser to make that even easier)
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GWG
voxpelli, I will likely prune my list during this code cleanup.
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GWG
But I wanted to decide if there was something worth displaying
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tantek
voxpelli++ that is the better approach
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Loqi
voxpelli has 90 karma in this channel (99 overall)
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GWG
Right now, the mf code is so confusing that I can't remember what I did
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GWG
It seems to be a modified version of Barnaby's mf2 cleaner with some pfefferle grafted on.
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GWG
Now I am adding in ideas from aaronpk.
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GWG
I would like to make it a little simpler.
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GWG
I only support nested h-cards, not h-card urls..
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GWG
Etc.
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GWG
I will be in this code for a few more hours.
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GWG
tantek, I was just reading that
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GWG
I added summary generation from plaintext content this morning.
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[dgold]
is the mf2 plugin for selfoss still available?
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tantek
what is selfoss
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "selfoss" yet. Would you like to create it?_y
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aaronpk
huh we never made a page for it, but it's mentioned on a bunch of pages
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aaronpk
selfoss is an open source feed reader. http://selfoss.aditu.de/
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tantek
worth linking them up then!
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tantek
what is now?
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tantek
what is Google Now?
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Loqi
Google now is a proprietary Google tool/service that keeps track of events and shows information cards from various sources with updates as needed https://indieweb.org/Google_Now
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tantek
hmm, /Now seems made-up and forced
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aaronpk
it's an interesting use case
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tantek
except it's typically just a home page
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aaronpk
and fascinating to me that so many people added it to their website so quickly
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aaronpk
i don't think it's "typically" a home page
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tantek
I bet 90% of them will be out of date (not "now") in a month
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tantek
same problem as blogrolls
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aaronpk
hey cool, the first one was up to date
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tantek
aaronpk, your "now" *is* a section on your home page
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aaronpk
mine is yeah, but not everyone wants their home page to be that
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tantek
I meant, most people's home page has some "now" to it
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tantek
like yours
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tantek
just like the shift from separate "stream" pages to (composite) stream of updates being on the home page
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aaronpk
the top 3 on http://nownownow.com/ are interesting
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aaronpk
two of the home pages are more "brochure" style pages about what services they offer professionally, and the third is blog posts
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tantek
no - the very first one redirects to the home page
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tantek
proving my point
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aaronpk
oh that loads them in a random order
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aaronpk
so i was looking at a different three
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tantek
no the first *cited* /now page
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tantek
on that site
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aaronpk
first in what list?
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tantek
document order on nownownow
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aaronpk
reload :)
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tantek
same result
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tantek
first quote / cite is from Zach, to his /now page, which redirects to his home page.
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tantek
proves the point
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aaronpk
they appear randomized on http://nownownow.com/
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aaronpk
anyway
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tantek
anyway, it is "yet another thing to keep updated"
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tantek
which means, people will lose interest in doing so, since nothing is consuming them
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tantek
remember humans.txt?
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aaronpk
what is humans.txt
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "humans.txt" yet. Would you like to create it?_z
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tantek
even Loqi doesn't remember ;)
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aaronpk
? the picture for the "why should I?" header is three people grumbling
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aaronpk
in any case, nownownow.com is a great list of peoples' websites to get inspiration from
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tantek
that's a good point
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tantek
it's at least worth documenting as an emerging phenomenon of sorts
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tantek
I suppose I'm cynical about it because I used to keep all sorts of "now" information updated in my sidebar on my old blog, and then grew tired / too lazy to keep updating it, so it decayed and then I ditched it
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davidmead
funy tantek. i justed started to resurrect my “blogroll” sidebar as I’m weeding through my RSS feeds :-)
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davidmead
haven’t done a “now” one yet
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sebsel
the second 'now' page I click is 404 already.
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tantek
I'd suggest starting with a really short "now" (sidebar) section on your homepage (heck, aaronpk's is automated!) and then after you've updated it a few times, if you feel compelled to expand it beyond a small box / sidebar, then a "more..." link to a /now page makes sense
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tantek
that way it's also discoverable
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tantek
from your home page
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tantek
most people don't want to read a big long /now page anyway (tl;dr and all that) so it's more respectful to just provide a small / short list, with a "more..." link where you can expand as you wish
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tantek
what is eweb
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "eweb" yet. Would you like to create it?
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sebsel
yeah, I kind of 'stole' that idea from aaronpk by just adding a widget-like thing to my homepage. it features #100daysofindieweb now, which I will remove when it's not 'now' anymore. and since it's filled automatic with current content, it's not really hard to maintain.
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tantek
right
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tantek
that's the key, the more automated, the more chance it will be up to date ;)
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sebsel
uhu, it also comes from having blogitems from 2015 still on the front page. most of personal sites have that I guess? posting notes on your website first also solves that problem.
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tantek
indeed
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tantek
that's what I would tell people who are looking at doing a /now page, first, is your home page up to date? no? go fix that first. now decide if you really need a separate /now page
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aaronpk
i think there's something to the more manually curated list tho. I've been continually updating the bio on my home page, as well as the little icons+roles I stole from tantek, and then more recently added the row above my sleep posts.
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tantek
it's like, update and fix what you have instead of creating yet one more thing you won't update
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aaronpk
none of that is automatic, but because it's on my home page i'm always incentivized to keep it up to date
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sebsel
aaronpk your recent sleep-post is not automated?
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aaronpk
those posts are automated. i'm talking about everythig above that
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sebsel
ah, okay!
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sebsel
I was going to say something about having a bio on the top of every page that would do the same, but I realised that I quit Snapchat and it's still on there :')
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Loqi
ok, I added "https://m.flickr.com/#/search/advanced/_QM_q_IS_%23thenow_AND_s_IS_int" to the "See Also" section of /Now
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Loqi
ok, I added "[[Google Now]]" to the "See Also" section of /Now
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[kevinmarks]
I remember #thenow being more of a thing, but maybe it was when flickr was small
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tantek
yeah, I'd say that's even "historical" at this point
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tantek
having been replaced by #selfie or #letmetakeanotherselfie
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tantek
or even the broader trend toward "insta" (not #latergram)
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tantek
altering of defaults
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davidmead
GWG is bridgy publish the plugin that shows the syndication link on twitter?
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GWG
You mean the back link or the one on your site?
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davidmead
back link on twitter
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GWG
Yes
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GWG
Well, tells it whether or not to
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davidmead
then its not working for me. updated it this morning
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davidmead
i’ll post issue on github
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GWG
I just re tested it and changed the description. But please do
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davidmead
posted GWG, with screenshots :-)
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miklb
hello IndieWeb
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miklb
I think tonights goal is adding quote post kind
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lukasros
What tantek said about not keeping a "now" page updated is probably why silos don't really have an equivalent.
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