#indieweb 2017-02-16

2017-02-16 UTC
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@sdepolo
Curious what #indieWeb folks think... @kevinMarks @t @benwerd? "We Urgently Need a New Internet"… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/832021011172298752
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chrisaldrich
!tell kevinmarks, jeremycherfas, dgold If you have a moment to add to reasons or delineate your personal reasons, I'm sure others doing the same would appreciate your thoughts/feedback: https://indieweb.org/multi-site_indieweb
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
re that sdepolo tweet: interesting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursive_InterNetwork_Architecture_(RINA) (feel free to followup in #indieweb-dev as it is a bit plumbingy)
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tantek
what is a photo comment?
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Loqi
photo comment is what a photo reply looks like in the context of the original post that it is in-reply-to https://indieweb.org/photo_comment
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Loqi
ok, I added "[[photo comment]]" to the "See Also" section of /photo
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tantek
hey aaronpk you added support for photo comments to p3k right? (vague memory) - if so, can you add to https://indieweb.org/photo_comment#IndieWeb_Examples ?
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aaronpk
yeah! not surei can think of an example off hand tho
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mblaney
morning
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Loqi
good morning
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mblaney
aaronpk I've just started on JSON support for my micropub endpoint, and am looking for a reference to the access_token for JSON?
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mblaney
ie for form encoded it can be in the body of the request, so it should also be available when using JSON?
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aaronpk
no, just the header for JSON requests https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/#authentication-1
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aaronpk
the only reason it's accepted in the post body for form-encoded requests is to support "lazy" servers. it's not actually a very good idea
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mblaney
aah ok
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mblaney
is it written somewhere why it's not a good idea?
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aaronpk
more likely to accidentally be stored as a property of a post
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mblaney
ok that makes sense....
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mblaney
(moves the access token from post fields to a header in his client)
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aaronpk
ooh I do not support photo comments
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aaronpk
but I do show HTML in comments
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aaronpk
also I do show photos from the u-photo property in my reply contexts
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gRegorLove
!tell chrisaldrich: Have you written about your use of Calibre and Goodreads? I wasn't aware there was an integration there (and only minimally used Calibre)
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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chrisaldrich
gRegorLove, I haven't written about it, but there's a Calibre plugin for Goodreads that will allow you to sync your Goodreads data with your Calibre data. http://dearauthor.com/ebooks/goodreads-plugin-for-calibre/
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Loqi
chrisaldrich: gRegorLove left you a message 15 minutes ago: Have you written about your use of Calibre and Goodreads? I wasn't aware there was an integration there (and only minimally used Calibre)
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gRegorLove
What is Calibre?
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Loqi
Calibre is a free and open source e-book library management application https://indieweb.org/Calibre
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chrisaldrich
I think it's mostly self explanatory in terms of what it does, though you may need to create a few data columns in calibre to sync things like ratings and reviews which calibre doesn't have out of the box.
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GWG
chrisaldrich: By the way, I'm in the Post Kinds code right now. Anything you want to be picked up from the 'Retrieve' button.
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chrisaldrich
GWG, Retrieve has generally worked pretty well in my hundreds of uses of it.
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chrisaldrich
I think I've filed most of the issues and quirks I've seen except maybe for the Author URL not being wrapped around the author in many (some?) cases. I'd have to test to see if some kinds do it while others don't if you need to know which.
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GWG
chrisaldrich: The code is important to me in automating the posting of URLs with context. The new version will retrieve nested properties in some situations. Such as a URL for the h-card instead of a nested one.
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chrisaldrich
I'm not sure if it's provided, but when retrieving song/movie related types from soundcloud, netflix, etc. it would be nice for the running times to be pulled, though I suspect some users might want think that those are times they started/stopped watching/listening. It's not clear what's expected in those cases versus the original post and updated posts for other post types.
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GWG
chrisaldrich: Give me some sample URLs and I'll see what can be done.
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GWG
chrisaldrich: I wonder if this is worth supporting... https://developers.facebook.com/docs/opengraph/music
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chrisaldrich
Are you considering adding data fields for checkins now that you've got simple location working, or are you still waiting to finish the venue portion to handle that part of the data separately there?
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GWG
chrisaldrich: The latter.
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GWG
I hate to encourage OGP, but if it is prevalent, I want to consume it
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Salt
gRegorLove, have Riot?
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Retrieve Running Time for listen and watch post kinds? · Issue #71 · dshanske/indieweb-post-kinds https://github.com/dshanske/indieweb-post-kinds/issues/71 For sites like Soundcloud, ITunes, Netflix, youtube (if it's available) it" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-02-16 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/retrieve-running-time-for-listen-and-watch-post-kinds-issue
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Bridgy won't send webmentions (for Instagram) properly without it, so I'd submit it's more of a webmention issue. It's definitely not a theme issue, and" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-02-16 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/bridgy-wont-send-webmentions-for-instagram-properly-without-it-so
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[dko]
dko uploaded a file: #spotted
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gRegorLove
Welp, we've picked dates and a city for IWC. IWC Bellingham right before Linuxfest Northwest, 2017-05-04..05 Venue TBD, most likely same as Linuxfest
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GWG
gRegorLove: How popular is Linuxfest NW?
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gRegorLove
Salt said attendance is usually ~1000
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gRegorLove
I've never been before
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aaronpk
gRegorLove: awesome
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aaronpk
oh no, I need to make the slack bridge handle file uploads!
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aaronpk
also hi [dko]!
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gRegorLove
strugee: I set up the h-card template for you just using your username, wasn't sure if you wanted your name or nickname
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mblaney
woot JSON micropub tests complete.
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Loqi
yay!
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mblaney
always appreciate your support Loqi
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KartikPrabhu
Loqi: give mblaney a cookie
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KartikPrabhu
was sure that would work
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KartikPrabhu
mblaney++
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Loqi
mblaney has 16 karma in this channel (19 overall)
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mblaney
eats the cookie
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mblaney
KartikPrabhu: thanks. I think it will be a slow and steady approach implementing the rest. there's lots too it.
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jeremycherfas
Good morning
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Loqi
jeremycherfas: [chrisaldrich] left you a message 9 hours, 31 minutes ago: I haven't written aobut integrating withknown into my WP site, though if it would help you I could. To a great extent, I mostly use Known for quick/short replies and commenting, though there are a few other small integrations like a link in the menu as well as advertising Known's stream RSS feed in my site header.
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Loqi
jeremycherfas: chrisaldrich left you a message 8 hours, 16 minutes ago: If you have a moment to add to reasons or delineate your personal reasons, I'm sure others doing the same would appreciate your thoughts/feedback: https://indieweb.org/multi-site_indieweb
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Loqi
morning!
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jeremycherfas
!tell chrisaldrich I have added a section on multi-site indieweb to my user page. Thanks for prompting me.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
[indieweb] "“Writing online outside of social networks. Remember blogs? Still pretty easy to set up…” - @kissane http://incisive.nu/2017/facebook/ #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-02-16 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/writing-online-outside-of-social-networks-remember-blogs-still-pretty
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@kevinmarks
“Writing online outside of social networks. Remember blogs? Still pretty easy to set up…” - @kissane http://incisive.nu/2017/facebook/ #indieweb
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petermolnar
on Tuesday, at HWC Schiphol, we raised a question: when myfreeweb reposts/replies (examples: https://unrelenting.technology/notes/2016-07-20-15-59-46 , https://unrelenting.technology/replies/2017-02-14-21-30-40 ) they include the complete post in there, which, for a repost, makes sense, but it raises the question of copyright issues. The source is obviously and well credited, so is the author, but it's still "printer" on another source.
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petermolnar
(Don't get me wrong, I'm ok, so is sebsel). Is there a brainstorming on this? For example, when a repost webmention reaches a site, they could automatically respond to that with a request to only link, not to include the post text, which kind of renders repostsing useless, but prevents funky copyright scenarios.
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sebsel
what is copyright?
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Loqi
All text and images contributed to the IndieWebCamp.com wiki are released to the public domain per CC0, as they were required to be copyright owned by the contributor prior to contribution and agreed to CC0 upon wiki editing, or already in the public domain or equivalent when contributed https://indieweb.org/Copyright
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sebsel
^^^ that page is https://indieweb.org/IndieWeb:Copyrights, and I can't find any other on this topic.
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sebsel
this is also a 'at what height does a bush become a tree' kind of question. I think most people are okay with reply contexts for 140 chars, but are not used to see reply contexts of 1000 words.
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sknebel
I agree, outside of silos where its clearly part of the design/interaction "language" (tumblr, twitter) reposts are kind of weird, and just copying stuff is a very easy way to get into trouble legally
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sebsel
do I give implicit permission to repost my post when marking up with h-entry? if so, should I remove h-entry for the posts I consider more 'mine'?
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petermolnar
it's can also become a parsing problem, you're not expecting your own, full article, quoted in a reply (at least I don't)
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sebsel
I actually made a IndieRepost a few days ago, after an archive.org ping, because I thought it was good to have the article on more places. It was already marked up with h-entry, not hentry or manual, so I thought it would be okay, but I'm still wondering wether I should 410 or 403 that one, now it has less topical and current...
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sebsel
(looking for the English word for 'actueel'... which means 'having value because it is about a current event'...)
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petermolnar
I have a strange idea: for reposts, show the content on stream pages - category, tag. etc - but redirect to the source url when the permalink on my site is visited
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petermolnar
the problem with that is content tend to go away
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sebsel
Microformats.org does not seem to have a "if I add h-entry I give permission" brainstorm either. It this really never talked about?
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sebsel
oh, yeah
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sknebel
petermolnar: that's similar to some peoples bookmark feeds that point to the bookmarked location
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sebsel
petermolnar++ sounds like a good option.
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Loqi
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sknebel
sebsel: that would be very spurious evidence as well. Standards with attached Terms of Service are not a good idea, and unlikely to have any actual relevance
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petermolnar
this is what I do for bookmarks: https://petermolnar.net/category/bookmark/ - occasional quotes from the source - but you can still visit a permalink of a bookmarked thing which probably should be a (302?) redirect
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jeremycherfas
I think that this kind of links as bookmarks goes back to the very early days of blogging, when people were sharing links. The links would go to the site they were talking about, and they might or might not add some comments to the link
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sknebel
I can't remember enough of the history of blogs to tell if reblogging entire content was more common in the past
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sknebel
right now it's mostly something I expect on tumblr?
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sebsel
sknebel that's right. I'm not saying it should work like that. More that I see that I do it now, and myfreeweb seems to do so too. And I'm questioning wether that should be the way it is.
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petermolnar
there could be something like a 'h-terms', mf2 friendly, indicating what is allowed and what is not
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jeremycherfas
Sknebel I think it was very rare indeed.
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sknebel
sebsel: right. I personally don't like it, and wouldn't risk it in the general case (especially with german sources, since we have an industry and a half of lawyers who love this sort of thing)
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sknebel
but it isn't really established either way
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jeremycherfas
Mostly because it wasn’t as easy to cut and poste content. At least, that’s my impression.
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sebsel
There is a difference between linking and reposting. One can always link. I believe one can also always quote... but copying the whole post is different.
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sknebel
goes for lunch, bbl
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petermolnar
there's also a financial thing to it: if they read the content on your site, they won't click through to the source
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sebsel
which saves them bandwidth and money :)
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sebsel
no yeah, no ads.
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petermolnar
read the rants against AMP
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petermolnar
my biggest problem is with reposting images: we know that in most cases, it should not be done, however, if I just bookmark it, even I will forget it's bookmarked because of the image on the other end. I was thinking to make 9gag long-image like entries: show a part of the image - image-quote? - and link to the source with "see full image at X"
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Loqi
[Sebastiaan Andeweg] Day 32: new repost policy
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sebsel
The general point still stands though. What about reply-context? My solution with reposts is now to only show 50 words and then a link to the original. I might do that for reply contexts as well.
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sebsel
(I don't have those yet)
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petermolnar
I tend to use the old way of replying: inline quotes.
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petermolnar
hm. there is http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-license which we could support
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Loqi
rel="license"
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petermolnar
if not present, assume copyright on everything, if yes, act according to that
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sebsel
and if copyright on everything, don't fetch post?
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sebsel
that would make a lot of existing sites incompatible :)
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sebsel
well I guess quoting things can still be done.
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sebsel
oh, aaronpk already has this
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sebsel
!tell tantek there is '© 1996-2016 Tantek Çelik All Rights Reserved.' on your site, but it's 2017 now :)
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar
sebsel all of us realize at a certain point in time that what we are about to do had been done by aaronpk 3+ years ago ;)
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sebsel
so true!
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dgold
(c) doesn't actually need a date
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Loqi
dgold: chrisaldrich left you a message 12 hours, 8 minutes ago: If you have a moment to add to reasons or delineate your personal reasons, I'm sure others doing the same would appreciate your thoughts/feedback: https://indieweb.org/multi-site_indieweb
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dgold
and, ref the concept of rel="licence" delineating copyright - that doesn't work.
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dgold
Outside of the United States, the Berne convention applies, and all material is presumed copyrighted unless otherwise stated (CC0, PD &c)
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dgold
you _could_ use the rel-licence to specify that the content of a h-entry is released with _greater_ freedom than provided by Berne, but not the other way round
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dgold
incidentally, that's one of the things which attracts me to the indieweb philosophy;
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dgold
by publishing my comments or notes on something on my own site _first_, and then 'syndicating' them to the original site, I retain the ownership & control of the comment/note
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sebsel
but that's what petermolnar said right? if not present, assume copyright on everything
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dgold
yes, it is. I read it incorrectly
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sebsel
and yes, I agree on the own site first = ownership & control of the comment / note
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sebsel
but in those cases you give the other site a comment
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sebsel
with reply context and repost, someone else decides to grab your content, without asking
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sebsel
there you loose control a bit
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sebsel
brainstorming: maybe I should only show reply context if they show my reply on their page too?
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dgold
that sounds appropriate, I guess
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dgold
but look at twittercards or OG for how much content of a particular post/page someone is willing to share
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petermolnar
ok, so I ended up doing this with reposted images: https://petermolnar.net/entombed-by-jonasdero/ - essentially watermarking them with the source url; this should be enough for now.
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Loqi
Entombed by JonasDeRo Entombed by JonasDeRo
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dgold
sebsel: I don't understand this - "When visiting a permalink of a repost on my site, you will get redirected to the original post. This way, reposts only appear on my stream, and I don't host their content under a URL on my site."
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dgold
how are you then dealing, e.g. with your 'reply' to a comment?
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dgold
s/comment/post
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sebsel
repost != reply
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sebsel
I do have replies and I show those on their permalinks
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sebsel
what is repost?
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Loqi
A repost on the indieweb is a post that is purely a 100% re-publication of another post. The act of reposting is an umbrella term that covers the general practice of republishing another post typically on the same service or silo, but more and more across sites https://indieweb.org/repost
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sebsel
hm, yeah, I wonder if it's a 100% re-publication if I just redirect ...
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dgold
is struggling to identify a use-case for a repost vs. bookmark
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sebsel
well, in the past I had hidden my bookmarks. In my view, I want to show what I repost to people who read me, but I want to keep bookmarks just for myself.
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sebsel
it's a more explicit 'you should read this'
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sebsel
I guess Facebook has 'share', btw, and that's more what I do now, but...
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sebsel
what is share
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Loqi
share is a watered down verb that's used on the "social web" (and other platforms like Google's Android) to mean pretty much any action https://indieweb.org/share
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sebsel
watered down indeed.
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sebsel
Also, with a bookmark, I don't publish the contents of the page. (Although others do)
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dgold
great definition
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dgold
sebsel: I guess I've always thought of 'sharing' as a stream of consciously chosen articles/posts i've found noteworthy for one reason or another
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petermolnar
there is a completely, always legal way to "repost" something... iframe. But this sounds so bad I don't even know, where to start, yet, embeds sometimes work pretty similarly.
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petermolnar
what is embedding?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "embedding" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10aM
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petermolnar
what is embeds?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "embeds" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10aN
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petermolnar
what is oembed?
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Loqi
oEmbed is a 2009-era JSON-based format for providing information to construct a link-preview of a page https://indieweb.org/oEmbed
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petermolnar
ok, this relates to the discussion: https://indieweb.org/link-preview
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sebsel
yes, in the end it's just a post with a link. and then the question is: do you handle likes vs reposts vs bookmarks vs replies different in their link-review?
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GWG
I've been working on pulling OGP data and converting it to microformats vocabulary when I don't have microformats in order to generate link previews and reply contexts
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sebsel
in my homepage widget I now have a combined mini-stream of my likes, bookmarks and reposts, as icons. the weird thing is: they cluster. If I have reposted something, I am more likely to repost something after that, instead of bookmark.
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sebsel
so maybe they are the same, but with a different mindset?
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dgold
90% certain g+ also use OGP for previews, albeit in a more limited manner than FB
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dgold
it pulls the title & any media (image or video) from the link, but it doesn't pull og:summary
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dgold
og:description
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GWG
Dgold, only pull what you need
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@call_user_func
[New]indiewordpress/composer Composer version of the *IndieWeb for WordPress* plugin! https://packagist.org/packages/indiewordpress/composer
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petermolnar
on the repost vs copyright topic: I went through /link-preview and a little on https://en.support.wordpress.com/category/embedding-content/ and my conclusion is that reponsing, outside of silos, are supposed to be embeds, not copies, unless copies are specifically allowed to be made.
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miklb
ok, I've never liked the wapuu thing, but I would put an IndieWordPress wapuu sticker on my laptop
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petermolnar
what is wapuu
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "wapuu" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10aP
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petermolnar
oh, japanese. I understand everyting.
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petermolnar
I think partial copies, such as first few sentence from a long post out there[...], portion of images with indication that it's partial only (see 9gag long image view full post footer on image with shadow), the way wordpress handled pingbacks ([...]some part of the remote text[...]), with proper linking to the source should be fine.
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gRegorLove
Good morning, indieweb
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@ChrisAldrich
@matigo_ca Found 10C via #IndieWeb friends, curious to try it out. Are signups open? Signup doesn't seem to work.
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Loqi
[indieweb] "@matigo_ca Found 10C via #IndieWeb friends, curious to try it out. Are signups open? Signup doesn't seem to work." by Chris Aldrich on 2017-02-16 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/matigo_ca-found-10c-via-indieweb-friends-curious-to-try-it
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jeremycherfas
Chrisaldrich I will send you an invitation.
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jeremycherfas
Chrisaldrich, your Known site throwing an error when I try to comment. Will see if I can do it from my site.
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chrisaldrich
hrm... that sounds odd...
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Loqi
chrisaldrich: jeremycherfas left you a message 8 hours, 22 minutes ago: I have added a section on multi-site indieweb to my user page. Thanks for prompting me.
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jeremycherfas
Odder still, it actually aaccepted the comment. Sorry, I didn’t keep it.
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chrisaldrich
jeremycherfas, glad to be awake and in IRC at the same time
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jeremycherfas
Heh. Me too.
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chrisaldrich
I just noticed http://fornacalia.com/ seems to be down...
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jeremycherfas
Be careful updating Known to 1.1.16 if you do locally and then push to production. There’s a strange dependency that will lock you out.
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chrisaldrich
How were you trying to comment, via the online form, or by sending me a webmention?
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jeremycherfas
Initally via the online form. Then a webmention. Both are there now.
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chrisaldrich
Or perhaps even by replying to the Twitter posse copy?
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jeremycherfas
Can I delete the one on my site now?
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chrisaldrich
It's hard to believe there are so many useful options... thank goodness for IndieWeb
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chrisaldrich
your choice, I can purge the duplicate if you like.
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jeremycherfas
Oh bloody hell. That’s because it needs the www
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jeremycherfas
I’ll delete mine.
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jeremycherfas
That needs to be top of my Itches list.
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jeremycherfas
Fixed my user page. Thanks for the warning.
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chrisaldrich
Oh yes, that seems to work much better.
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Nexa Stop, Torino" by Reverend on 2017-02-16 http://bavatuesdays.com/nexa-stop-torino/
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jeremycherfas
Fixing the www cam wait.
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jeremycherfas
Turin is wonderful. And it works, unlike Rome. But Rome has the climate.
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chrisaldrich
Somewhere I may have a snippet you can throw into .htaccess to automatically fix the www bit; or googling will turn up a version too I'm sure.
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jeremycherfas
I thought I had to do it on DNS or something.
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jeremycherfas
Anyway, not even going to try now as I am bound to screw up.
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chrisaldrich
Your recommendation "My most rewarding social interactions take place on 10Centuries" was intriguing. Thanks for the invite.
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chrisaldrich
I could almost have sworn that wordpress had something somewhere to force the www without needing to do it manually anymore.
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miklb
not sure it can, usually done in the nginx conf or htaccess
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miklb
htaccess for apache
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Loqi
[Shaun Quarton] To WWW or Not to WWW? How to Add WWW to Your URLs in WordPress
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miklb
is team no www
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chrisaldrich
What is a naked URL?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "naked URL" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10aQ
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chrisaldrich
A naked URL, or sometimes a naked domain, is one that isn't prefixed with www.
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chrisaldrich
A naked URL, or sometimes a naked domain, is one that isn't prefixed with www.
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gRegorLove
Try: naked URL. No "a"
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chrisaldrich
Naked URL, or sometimes a naked domain, is one that isn't prefixed with www.
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chrisaldrich
Thanks gRegorLove; no thanks to you Loqi... ;)
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Loqi
you're welcome, chrisaldrich
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jeremycherfas
Chrisaldrich They really are interactions, that’s why. There are some people who rub me up the wrong way, but one of the nice things is that you can select who appears in your Home stream at the same time as occasionally looking at Global.
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chrisaldrich
Loqi doesn't seem to like me this month...
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gRegorLove
gives Loqi a naked URL
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Loqi
jumps on the naked URL
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gRegorLove
Get a room
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gRegorLove
what is naked URL?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "naked URL" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10aR
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gRegorLove
naked URL, or sometimes a naked domain, is one that isn't prefixed with www
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gRegorLove
Loqi, you're fired
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chrisaldrich
jeremycherfas, I think that's one of the things I've liked most about indieweb is having more control on my own domain for controlling those sorts of things.
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aaronpk
"naked URL is"
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aaronpk
tho i should make Loqi match "a ____ is" also
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gRegorLove
manually added it
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gRegorLove
what is naked url
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Loqi
A naked URL, or sometimes a naked domain, is one that isn't prefixed with www https://indieweb.org/naked_URL
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chrisaldrich
trying to do an alternate <dfn> was just too much... okay, I'll make up with Loqi.
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gRegorLove
alternatve dfn won't really do anything. I added a redirect for naked domain, so asking that will still work
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chrisaldrich
gRegorLove++ for wikifying faster than I can
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Loqi
gregorlove has 77 karma in this channel (103 overall)
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chrisaldrich
aaronpk++ for the fact that Loqi does anything at all, much less add joy to our weary world
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Loqi
aaronpk has 468 karma in this channel (1217 overall)
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gRegorLove
what is love?
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gRegorLove
(asked that one a couple days late)
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chrisaldrich
One might suspect you ask that every time you join the chat gRegorLove
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Loqi
nice
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dgold
in wordpress - can you configure posts so the title is a link to an external URL?
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dgold
there is a 'Format' which is a link - but it doesn't appear to include a URL resource field in the post.
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gRegorLove
You could use a custom field
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gRegorLove
GWG probably has a better idea
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dgold
aye - the import all plugin doesn't allow custom fields in the non-paid version
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Day 58: Showing Image Uploads in IRC from the Slack Gateway #100DaysOfIndieWeb" on 2017-02-16
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dgold
gRegorLove: it just means that if I do import my 'link posts' from SSG->WP->Known, I lose the functionality I've grown accustomed to.
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gRegorLove
WP has a "link" Post Kind, doesn't it? I'm less familiar with Post Kinds
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gRegorLove
What is Post Kinds?
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Loqi
Post or posts may refer to individual pieces of content published on an indieweb site such as notes, articles, & responses, or the act of creating the aforementioned content (present tense), or Posts about the IndieWeb https://indieweb.org/post_kinds
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gRegorLove
Oops, wrong link
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Loqi
[indieweb] "I'm not seeing the HTML export on the desktop version of Kindle (from 2015) on my work laptop at the moment, but I'm positive it's" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-02-16 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/im-not-seeing-the-html-export-on-the-desktop-version
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GWG
Formats are post formats, no structured data there. Post Kinds were meant to be a drop in replacement with Indieweb post types
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GWG
Afternoon
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PFMurph
afternoon GWG!
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GWG
PFMurph, long time no greeting
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PFMurph
indeed, been a while. how have you been?
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GWG
I have been surviving. Indieweb wise, making a round of plugin updates
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PFMurph
Same. Indieweb wise, still same haha
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Loqi
rofl
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PFMurph
well
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PFMurph
same as ever for me
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PFMurph
not making a round of plugin updates
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PFMurph
I still don't have a project
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PFMurph
on the other hand I've been doing some wacky IoT stuff
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GWG
Well, I hadn't done much with my projects in months or more, so I figured love required.
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GWG
And Chrisaldrich kept filing good ideas.
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PFMurph
I'm trying to figure out how to balance all the things I want to automate with how insecure I know it's going to end up if I put everything on wifi
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PFMurph
I wish home automation products would use PLN
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GWG
PFMurph, isolated wifi network?
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PFMurph
I mean, that's one idea but wifi in itself isn't exactly secure
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PFMurph
you could have some shmuck drive up, break in and turn all your stuff off
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PFMurph
kind of paranoid yeah but I'd rather be conscious of it
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dgold
IoT - the 's' is for security
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GWG
dgold, did you have a WordPress question?
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[scottgruber]
Is there how to docs for web mentions? I'm trying to figure out how hard it might be to implement with Perch - the cms I use on my site.
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aaronpk
eh that's pretty nitty gritty
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GWG
What language is Perch written in?
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[scottgruber]
Is this the main place to look https://webmention.io/
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aaronpk
once you start, https://webmention.rocks/ is a great tool to help you debug things
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] Webmention
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dgold
GWG - I was wondering what the WP 'Format' Link actually _does_
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GWG
dgold, not much
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dgold
ah, gotcha
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chrisaldrich
dgold, the functionality you mentioned before (having the title redirect to an external URL rather than be a permalink) was somewhat similar to the linkblogs of old. There are many ways to do it, but I recently helped someone pull it off with this plugin: https://wordpress.org/plugins/linkblog-by-lucy/
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[scottgruber]
thx! those are new to me.
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dgold
oh, thank you chrisaldrich++
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GWG
dgold. there was a big push to improve Post Formats in WordPress 3.6, it got walked back at the last moment and no one picked it up
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chrisaldrich
The WP format Link functionality is dependent on what the theme makes it do. Sadly most themes don't do much if anything at all with it.
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aaronpk
[scottgruber]: cool. if you don't mind reading specs, start with that one.
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: wasn't there a nice flow diagram somewhere on the wiki?
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dgold
I can't see a 'simple' way to import SSG 'link-posts' to known
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chrisaldrich
dgold, elegant themes had a relatively good post on something similar with some useful code examples too: https://www.elegantthemes.com/blog/tips-tricks/how-to-create-wordpress-post-formats
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aaronpk
KartikPrabhu: i'm not sure flow diagrams are necessarily "nice" :)
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[scottgruber]
I live for reading specs!
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tantek
good afternoon #indieweb!
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Loqi
tantek: sebsel left you a message 8 hours, 23 minutes ago: there is '© 1996-2016 Tantek Çelik All Rights Reserved.' on your site, but it's 2017 now :)
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[scottgruber]
actually sarcasm aside specs are the go to for canonical info.
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GWG
I love reading specs too, especially if aaronpk edited them.
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KartikPrabhu
diagrams for overview, specs for details
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tantek
scottgruber, get thee to #indieweb-dev, or in Slack, #dev :)
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gRegorLove
What is Perch?
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Loqi
Perch is a content management system based on PHP+MySQL that bills itself as "The original 'really little CMS'" https://indieweb.org/Perch
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GWG
Either way, plenty of PHP implementations of Webmentions to study as well
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[scottgruber]
I'll look for some of those php implentations. like you WordPress plugin eh?
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[scottgruber]
Perch reminds me of Craft CMS.
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GWG
There are examples in the spec
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[scottgruber]
It has support out of the box for structured content. so when I make. template I can choose what fields I like so its very customizable.
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gRegorLove
There's minimum viable webmention from adactio as a starting point :) https://gist.github.com/adactio/6484118
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[scottgruber]
Their twitter addon is already PESOS too
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petermolnar
Loqi, when you need to crawl a url which banned robots in robots.txt, what do you do?
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aaronpk
Loqi is not a crawler nor search engine
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[dgold]
snarfed: can silo.pub's GitHub integration be finessed to a particular repo, or am I misunderstanding the GitHub integration?
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Podcast Directories | Why Can’t We … ?" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-02-16 http://boffosocko.com/2017/02/16/podcast-directories-why-cant-we/
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petermolnar
aaronpk in certain terms, it is; it crawls things when intered here
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aaronpk
Fetches things that are mentioned specifically. That's different that crawling
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Homebrew Website Club San Francisco 2017-02-22" by Kevin Marks on 2017-02-16 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/homebrew-website-club-san-francisco-2017-02-22
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Loqi
[indieweb] "does the t.co redirector make this kind of attack easier? https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2017/02/de-anonymizing_1.html #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-02-10 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/does-the-tco-redirector-make-this-kind-of-attack-easier
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Loqi
[indieweb] "#indieweb Homebrew Website Club meetup. The graph behind us is Let's Encrypt installations." by Kevin Marks on 2017-02-09 http://werd.io/2017/indieweb-homebrew-website-club-meetup-the-graph-behind-us-is
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aaronpk
aw there's comment spam
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KartikPrabhu
where where... looks around frantically
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aaronpk
on ben's post
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aaronpk
i mean he does have a comment form down there so it's not that surprising
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GWG
Comment spam is often a side effect.
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snarfed
dgold: i don't own silo.pub, so i don't know much about it