#indieweb 2017-02-18

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dgold
there's something (?) overriding the 'u-like-of' with 'p-bookmark' when bookmarks are enabled
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dgold
however, without bookmarks enabled. the 'u-like-of' isn't rendered _at all_
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tantek
very odd
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dgold
well, Like/Reposts are a 3p plugin, whereas Bookmarks are part of core
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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dgold
they still don't work when you revert that one little piece, but that's what broke kyle's reactions
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gRegorLove
kylewm hasn't been around very regularly, so may not get that message very soon. github / twitter might be faster.
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GWG
I miss kylewm
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dgold
oh, his site is down too.
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dgold
filed an issue in known anyway.
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dgold
right. i'm to the bed. night folks
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tantek
puzzles over quoting the entirety of a post's content (like a quote tweet does) vs quoting only part of a post's content (which would probably be improper to POSSE as a quote tweet)
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[kevinmarks]
Well, if the quote won't fit in a tweet?
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tantek
it already did
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tantek
if you're posting a quote tweet, you're quoting the entirety *of someone else's tweet*
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[kevinmarks]
Oh, if you're quoting a tweet, rather than a post in general
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tantek
yes you likely want to POSSE them differently
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tantek
especially when you're quoting only *part* of someone else's post
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[kevinmarks]
If I've already made a tweet length posse, would you be quoting that?
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[kevinmarks]
Ah, because you can't selectively quote a quote tweet as it is a link
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tantek
right
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Loqi
Mentions as quotes 2015-05-22
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tantek
I think partial quotes could be POSSEd as @-replies
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[kevinmarks]
Or quote links with fragmentions
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tantek
using a long enough fragmention, you could always provide a URL to the entirety of what you are quoting
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[kevinmarks]
Exactly, which was the point of my auto_link extension
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tantek
bootstrapping a new laptop to be indieweb capable, may have to blog this (or at least wiki it on my user page)
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aaronpk
what does a laptop being "indieweb capable" entail?
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GWG
aaronpk: Stickers?
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Loqi
stickers has 2 karma in this channel (3 overall)
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GWG
Indieweb Inside?
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aaronpk
now i want that sticker
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[chrisaldrich]
I'm going to have to modify my old lenovo to say IndiePad now.
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tantek
aaronpk - for starters, logging into the wiki ;)
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tantek
"indieweb capable" is almost like re-walking the steps / levels of IndieMark, on a new device
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tantek
starting with identity
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aaronpk
i'm just confused about what a laptop has to do with your online presence
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tantek
it is a device used to access your online presence
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tantek
what is a laptop?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "laptop" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10aa
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aaronpk
but i regularly use many devices to access my online presence
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tantek
a laptop is a device used to access your online presence
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tantek
why but?
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aaronpk
i guess it doesn't seem very relevant?
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aaronpk
my laptop is essentially a dumb terminal as far as my online presence is concerned
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tantek
hence why I'm taking notes
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tantek
it's that "essentially" where the interesting parts are
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tantek
and that's what I'm documenting
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tantek
what is an iPod?
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Loqi
The Apple iPod is a portable music player that comes in many forms, including the iPod Touch which runs iOS, iOS applications, and can be used as a mobile communicator and web browsing device https://indieweb.org/iPod
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Comment on ? Podcast Directories | Why Can’t We … ? by Jeremy Cherfas" by Jeremy Cherfas on 2017-02-17 http://boffosocko.com/2017/02/16/podcast-directories-why-cant-we/#comment-33873
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tantek
aaronpk: signing into IndieAuth with GitHub for the first time on a new machine, it shows *your face* (!!!) then "Sign into GitHub" / "to continue to IndieAuth"
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tantek
that's a little disturbing because I didn't expect to see your icon there!
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tantek
took a screenshot to show what I mean
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tantek
but I have to login to upload ;)
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tantek
aaronpk: emailed you the screenshot - hopefully you'll see what that's a disturbing UX ;)
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tantek
this is part of that "entail" or "essentially" referenced above ;)
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aaronpk
hah i did not realize that either
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aaronpk
i need a good logo for indieauth.com. i don't like any of the current ones
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tantek
you might as well use the current graphic on indieauth.com as a placeholder for now, just to at least make that consistent
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tantek
the green A with i-as-negative-space thing
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tantek
(kinda clever actually)
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tantek
and simple
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tantek
that's an easy 100days of project ;)
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aaronpk
yup already on it :)
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aaronpk
i don't think i can finish my emoji thing tonight :)
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tantek
oh goodness I just noticed via @100daysindieweb that you hadn't done it for today yet!
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tantek
it's getting late!
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tantek
says, not having done his 100DoPP for today yet either
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Colin and David, I've been a long time Feedly user myself and certainly feel your pain. (And in particular, I'm a bit irked that I" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-02-18 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/colin-and-david-ive-been-a-long-time-feedly-user
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aaronpk
that was weirder than i thought it was going to be
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aaronpk
ended up reporting two bugs to github o.O
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Loqi
[indieweb] "? Post filtering fixes at Homebrew Website Club | Colin Devroe" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-02-18 http://boffosocko.com/2017/02/17/post-filtering-fixes-at-homebrew-website-club-colin-devroe/
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[kevinmarks]
The subtle reference to the i in TEAM works
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Zegnat
!tell tantek re: HWC 2017-02-14 photo, it doesn’t exist. We were scrambling to get out when they were closing the venue and the forgot until we were all heading to our respective trains.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG
Morning
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Loqi
morning!
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dgold
Goat Moaning!
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@kevinmarks
“Facebook does something even more insidious.It replaces the public sphere with a space that seems public” https://medium.com/@justinhendrix/bike-lanes-and-world-war-iii-efd9383ca9ad #indieweb
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Loqi
[indieweb] "“Facebook does something even more insidious.It replaces the public sphere with a space that seems public” https://medium.com/@justinhendrix/bike-lanes-and-world-war-iii-efd9383ca9ad #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-02-18 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/facebook-does-something-even-more-insidiousit-replaces-the-public-sphere
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@minimalistway
أي مطور للويب أو مهتم بها يجب أن يفهم فكرة هذا الموقع https://indieweb.org/
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Pretty sure now that I more know what I want out of my #indieweb WordPress site, I’m going to rewrite the theme from the ground up." by miklb on 2017-02-18 https://miklb.com/1068-2/
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@miklb
Pretty sure now that I more know what I want out of my #indieweb WordPress site, I’m going to rewrite the theme from the ground up.
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snarfed
miklb++
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Loqi
miklb has 14 karma in this channel (16 overall)
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GWG
Hello, snarfed. Any Indieweb excitement going on?
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wolcen
Hi all! I wanted to offer up a few domains to the people here, provided they would be used for some cooperative effort to advance IWC principles. If someone has an idea for them (say cooperative hosting, or DynDNS service?), let me know, and I'll be happy to transfer them over. I have them until at least Mar 15th, and would be happy to gift the recipient another year on any one of them for a good cause:
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wolcen
cooperative.site
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wolcen
indieweb.site
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wolcen
served.site
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wolcen
showmy.site
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wolcen
liberation.site
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wolcen
nonfree.site
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snarfed
!tell keithjgrant https://github.com/keithjgrant/omnibear looks awesome! could be a good building block for https://snarfed.org/posting-to-the-indieweb-from-your-phone , ben_thatmustbeme's micropub phone app (forgot name), etc
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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wolcen
Nice - one of my hopes was to work on phone apps of some sort to help lower the technical barrier to entry, so that'd be great!
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wolcen
Oh - one more: servedon.top
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miklb
GWG after adding the quote kind, I think I understand how the kind templates work, and intend to use them in my theme rewrite. I know you've mentioned modifying that, but that's not on your radar at the moment, is it?
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GWG
miklb, I want to make them work even more like theme templates.
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GWG
But my plan for Post Kinds is parser, then improve UI, then storage, then display.
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GWG
I know that is backward thinking
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miklb
I'm assuming I can start using them now, and when you enhance, I'll be able to migrate.
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GWG
But it means that the existing stuff will not conflict as quickly.
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GWG
miklb, yes. And as for timeframe, three day weekend. I might get through the first two.
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miklb
good deal
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GWG
miklb, I may also stop to fix some reported issues. I can't seem to make everyone using Bridgy Publish happy, for example.
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miklb
is happy ;-)
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GWG
I am just noticing as an amateur how easy it is to build something that makes perfect sense to you and confuses everyone else.
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GWG
miklb, can I ask you how you find the Post Kinds UI elements?
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miklb
The only change I would recommend is for the settings and choosing which post kinds to use for the site. I find the multi-select difficult.
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miklb
I would use simple check boxes myself.
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GWG
miklb, I intend to. I just did that for Bridgy.
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GWG
miklb, could be a lot of checkboxes over time.
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GWG
miklb, what about in the post UI? Nothing there?
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miklb
Nothing really jumps out to me.
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GWG
People seem to find it good for all the settings or confusing.
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GWG
I hate to say that the solution may be more JavaScript
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GWG
To show/hide options to avoid confusion.
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miklb
Or just remove options :-P
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GWG
miklb, the options reflect Microformats properties. People want more of those, not less
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miklb
sure, I was mostly joking.
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GWG
I don't have RSVP, for example. I don't support a featured image for a reply context, and my author icon support is hacky.
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miklb
But yeah, maybe an "advanced" section with a show/hide
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GWG
I did the tabbed interface for that.
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GWG
Then if I ever get to check-in...
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miklb
One thing I will mention, is that when you retrieve a Url for a response, it's not intuitive at first that the data is loaded in the citation tab. Don't have an immediate suggestion, just mentioning it since the discussion is on that topic
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GWG
miklb, I considered hiding properties based on the kind selector.
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GWG
It would address my overloading of the text boxes based on kind.
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miklb
that's an option for sure. I've mentioned the CMB2 library/plugin before, I've used some code with that to do conditional meta boxes
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GWG
I will probably do it myself for the education
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miklb
yeah, you are pretty far into this plugin to rewrite everything to use a library for the metaboxes probably
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@TechLifeWeb
WP custom posts type still not sending webmentions and I can’t make trackbacks/pingbacks on by default. #indieweb problems.
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GWG
That's odd.
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GWG
The second one should be completely unrelated to the first one.
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GWG
Well, actually, if you turn off pings, it will turn off webmentions
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GWG
So I retract my statement
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Liked this tweet: ♝ Michael Bishop ♝ on Twitter: “Pretty sure now that I more know what I want out of my #indieweb WordPress site, I’m going to rewrite the theme from the ground up.”" by Scott Kingery on 2017-02-18 http://techlifeweb.com/posse/15449/
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Loqi
[indieweb] "WP custom posts type still not sending webmentions and I can’t make trackbacks/pingbacks on by default. #indieweb problems." by Scott Kingery on 2017-02-18 http://techlifeweb.com/posse/15448/
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Loqi
[indienews] New post: "This Week in the IndieWeb February 10 - 17, 2017" https://martymcgui.re/2017/02/18/151503/
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martymcguire[m]
hey folks. just put together a little experimental audio version of This Week in the IndieWeb
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martymcguire[m]
any and all feedback welcome!
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martymcguire[m]
aaronpk++ for the 100daysofmusic music. i am still not totally sure of how you are licensing those pieces, so please let me know if you want me to cease from using them. :}
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Loqi
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aaronpk
haha i haven't quite figured that out yet either, but definitely feel free to use them for this!
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Loqi
rofl
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aaronpk
this is amazing
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martymcguire[m]
thanks!! it was a lot of fun to put together.
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aaronpk
martymcguire++
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Loqi
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aaronpk
that was fantastic. do I want to know how long that took to put together?
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martymcguire[m]
a few hours
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Untitled" on 2017-02-18
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aaronpk
that's not bad!
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aaronpk
considering each of those songs took a few hours :)
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martymcguire[m]
haha, right? it's amazing how much effort goes into creating audio. your 100daysofmusic project definitely inspired me to give this a shot.
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martymcguire[m]
i think i'll be able to streamline this a lot in the future. a lot of my time today was spent in "hmm, how should this work?" mode.
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aaronpk
yeah definitely. i hope you continue it!
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aaronpk
and that was definitely one of the reasons i've been writing these songs, so i have a quick library of a variety of music to use in podcasts.
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martymcguire[m]
summarizing the wiki updates probably takes the most time.
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aaronpk
yeah definitely, i was surprised at how much detail you went into!
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martymcguire[m]
i feel that music really helps glue something like this together
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martymcguire[m]
i will need to find a quicker way to summarize the wiki content but i think it's one of the most valuable things an audio version can do
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martymcguire[m]
i often click through the newsletter to see the diffs for a sense of what folks have been up to. finding ways to group them and describe them concisely is quite interesting!
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Loqi
tantek: Zegnat left you a message 12 hours, 20 minutes ago: re: HWC 2017-02-14 photo, it doesn’t exist. We were scrambling to get out when they were closing the venue and the forgot until we were all heading to our respective trains.
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Loqi
[Marty McGuire] This Week in the IndieWeb February 10 - 17, 2017
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martymcguire[m]
i am definitely open to feedback on any elements of this. for example: is there too much unexplained jargon? are there other calls to action i should be making, or ways to make those clearer?
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tantek
what is lastweek?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "lastweek" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10ac
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tantek
what is last-week?
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aaronpk
oh double redirect
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tantek
fixed
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tantek
that music as interludes between sections is great!
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tantek
the audio quality is incredible
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tantek
martymcguire++ wow
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Loqi
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martymcguire[m]
thanks! it was fun to put together. i'm already collecting improvements for next week. :}
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tantek
is it an actual podcast that can be subscribed to?
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GWG
martymcguire[m]: Very nice.
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aaronpk
we need an h-feed to podcast feed converter :)
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GWG
martymcguire[m]: If you need an alternate reader to take turns in generating the audio, will be happy to take a few as time permits.
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tantek
aaronpk where's the h-feed? and is it linking to the audio files with u-audio in the h-entry?
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aaronpk
looks like it is, because my repost of it found the audio!
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aaronpk
ah no h-feed. i was hoping martymcguire[m] would have a tag page that would list them all :)
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tantek
whoa what
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martymcguire[m]
there's no podcast feed quite yet, and i don't have an isolated h-feed of just those posts. i'll work on that for next week.
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martymcguire[m]
for now it's in my main h-feed with h-entry and u-audio
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tantek
this claims to have an h-feed ;)
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aaronpk
the html version does!
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tantek
so clearly that should u-audio link to the podcast!
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martymcguire[m]
GWG: great idea! in my wild imaginings i could see this working similarly to the way indienews works, where different readers could submit their versions (e.g. to support different languages)
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aaronpk
that'd work
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GWG
martymcguire[m]: I speak the same language as you though.
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aaronpk
here, I made a tag that I can use for my reposts of them :) https://aaronparecki.com/tag/this-week-podcast
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aaronpk
aw, running that through granary does not produce a valid podcast feed
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tantek
sounds like a feature request for granary!
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martymcguire[m]
GWG: good point. i see no reason not to have multiple readers over time. however, if we want don't want duplicates there would need to be some coordination.
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GWG
martymcguire[m]: Exactly. I'm willing to do a few.
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tantek
I wonder if an /edit post could be used to submit a u-audio to the permalink of a this-week post
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aaronpk
hm, we haven't talked about edit posts in a while
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tantek
right
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aaronpk
this is a good use of them, since micropub doesn't really make sense in this caes
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tantek
but that would be a natural indieweb way for martymcguire to webmention a this-week post with a suggestion of adding the audio!
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tantek
and then you could moderate, or indieweb.org could whitelist receiving webmention edits
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tantek
I think micropub has helped understand how editing/updating should work
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tantek
and it would be a good idea to update /edit post brainstorming accordingly
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martymcguire[m]
GWG: that would be great! if it helps, i can put together some notes on my process for this one. there are a few bits of intro/outro script that we could reuse, for example.
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GWG
martymcguire[m]: I've found the best way to do something like this is to make the process as simple as possible.
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GWG
The more work it takes to put out, the more it have potential to fade
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martymcguire[m]
organizing and writing the scripts for the wiki edit summaries may be best for the reader to do, since they will be the one saying it and need to make it sound natural
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aaronpk
sounds like it's worth writing up these notes on a wiki page :)
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martymcguire[m]
GWG: i totally agree. this project has been on my mind for a couple of weeks and i kind of leapt into the deep end by deciding to start today and see what it takes to get one done. :}
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martymcguire[m]
aaronpk: good point :D
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aaronpk
you could even upload or hotlink some assets you used like the intro/outro that doesn't change every week
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martymcguire[m]
yep, i'll need to DRY up the podcast process, haha.
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Loqi
awesome
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martymcguire[m]
got to run for now. i look forward to working on these next steps tomorrow!
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martymcguire[m]
thanks for the feedback, everybody!
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tantek
martymcguire[m]: you should add yourself to https://indieweb.org/audio#IndieWeb_Examples also!
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tantek
with the example of your podcast
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tantek
(I'm assuming you marked it up with u-audio inside the h-entry, since that's how p3k found it when aaronpk reposted it!)
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martymcguire[m]
tantek: thanks! adding now.
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Comment on PressForward as an IndieWeb WordPress-based RSS Feed Reader & Pocket/Instapaper Replacement by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-02-18 http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/31/pressforward-as-an-indieweb-wordpress-based-rss-feed-reader-pocketinstapaper-replacement/#comment-33880
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Comment on RSS Feeds: A Follow up on My IndieWeb Commitment 2017 by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-02-18 http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/18/rss-feeds-a-follow-up-on-my-indieweb-commitment-2017/#comment-33879
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Comment on PressForward as an IndieWeb WordPress-based RSS Feed Reader & Pocket/Instapaper Replacement by davidmead" by davidmead on 2017-02-18 http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/31/pressforward-as-an-indieweb-wordpress-based-rss-feed-reader-pocketinstapaper-replacement/#comment-33883
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tantek
should a podcast send webmentions to the audio posts it uses portions thereof? if so how? is there a mediafragmention it could use to link to a subrange of the audio?
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tantek
use-case: original audio posts could have a "As heard in / featured in" section listing what other media have made use of it
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tantek
similarly should news articles that use a creative commons photo send webmentions to those photo posts?
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tantek
similar use-case: original photo posts could have an explicit "As featured in" section listing articles that have used the photo
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KevinMarks
there is a media fragments spec
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tantek
yeah I know there is - it's kind of a mess
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aaronpk
hm martymcguire[m] why didn't your post send webmentions to my music posts? I just sent one myself and now your podcast appears here! https://aaronparecki.com/2016/12/31/15/
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] Day 11. I'm definitely less happy with this one than any others so far, but hey that's what this project is about. Putting stuff out there and not worrying too much about it. #100daysofmusic #100daysproject #the100dayproject... https://aaronparecki.com/2016/12/31/15/photo.jpg
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tantek
hence I asked the question as I did
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tantek
aaronpk I figured I'd uncover a bug with that question ;)
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aaronpk
if there was some JS on marty's page that would skip the audio player to a specific part like YouTube, he could have set the source URL of the webmentions to my music posts to the specific parts in his podcast that use my music!
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tantek
ah! he could use a source URL in the webmention that itself had a media fragment!
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KevinMarks
in practice, sites are making their own audio fragment urls
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aaronpk
yeah! then when you clicked the webmention on my site, you'd skip right to the part of his podcast! and that wouldn't even require any fancy mf2 parsing to make that work
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tantek
IIRC the media fragment spec adopted something compat with that youtube share URLs do
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tantek
that would be amazing
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tantek
I think this belongs in a how to cite on /audio
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aaronpk
makes a note to support time-based-fragments on his own video/audio posts
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tantek
or at least brainstorming
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tantek
what is a media fragment?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "media fragment" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10ae
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tantek
KevinMarks: I'll let you look that one up and define / link it ;)
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tantek
since that's real, and my term, mediafragmention is a freshly invented portmanteau ;)
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KevinMarks
(this worked fine in Quicktime's vbr mp3 support in 2001 or so)
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KevinMarks
media fragment is a way of linking to a part of a longer meida file. There is a w3 spec for this at https://www.w3.org/TR/media-frags/ but it is not widely implemented in practice
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Loqi
ok, I added "https://marco.org/2016/08/15/vbr-mp3-plea" to the "See Also" section of /media fragment
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KevinMarks
media fragment << 3rd party tool http://shortcut.thisamericanlife.org/
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Loqi
ok, I added "3rd party tool http://shortcut.thisamericanlife.org/" to the "See Also" section of /media fragment
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aaronpk
*whew*
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tantek
ah, no need for mediafragmentions if we can ge media fragments to work since they have *ranges*
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tantek
e.g. "t=10,20 # => results in the time interval [10,20)"
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aaronpk
doesn't see a way to submit implementation reports to them
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aaronpk
wow that's been a REC since 2012?
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tantek
can you find their implementation reports?
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tantek
I mean existing ones
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aaronpk
ah there's a link embedded in the "status" section
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tantek
that's the old style yeah
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aaronpk
firefox and webkit implemented it!
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aaronpk
sure enough! https://aaronparecki.com/2017/02/17/9/video.mp4#t=10,20 starts at 10 seconds and stops at 20!
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aaronpk
and chrome too!
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tantek
wait what really?
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aaronpk
it works on the video URL itself
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KartikPrabhu
yes confirmed on FF Ubuntu
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tantek
perhaps this is more than a brainstorm then: https://indieweb.org/audio#Support_media_fragments
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tantek
aaronpk, captured the cite & webmention brainstorm too: https://indieweb.org/audio#How_to_cite_and_webmention
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aaronpk
unfortunately replacing the video tag in the page with a URL that includes a fragment does not update the player position
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aaronpk
which means I can't use that to pass through the #t=10,20 from the URL of my html page into the video tag
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tantek
is there a test for that in their test suite?
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aaronpk
no, because their spec only talks about media URLs themselves, not HTML pages that embed media
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aaronpk
if I render the video tag with the source URL that includes the time fragment then it works like expected
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tantek
aaronpk: did you try ? as well as # ?
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tantek
in the video tag src that is
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aaronpk
chrome only supports #
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aaronpk
same with safari
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aaronpk
the distinction is not represented in their implementation report
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tantek
less distinction = less support = less interop
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KartikPrabhu
I sent a webmention to barnaby's post with a media fragment. I don't think he got around to implement it
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Loqi
[Kartik Prabhu] at this point I could totally picture the aurora in the back of my mind. Very nice!
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tantek
aaronpk, if you find it doesn't work in FF, (either # or ?), please file a bug in bugzilla and cc tantek@cs... on it :)
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tantek
Sound like https://indieweb.org/audio#Support_media_fragments is still a brainstorm then, until someone gets it to work!
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aaronpk
the trick is we're using HTML URLs for everything
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tantek
so is everyone that shares a youtube video
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tantek
*humans* are using HTML URLs for everything
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aaronpk
i'm confused about why it doesn't work when I replace the URL with JS
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tantek
we're just adopting normal human practice
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aaronpk
tries in other browsers
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tantek
aaronpk, hmm - I think I implemented this kind of thing back in the day at Revision3
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tantek
(like in 2010)
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tantek
rather than setting the URL, you may need to get some sort of "MediaInterface" object from the DOM for the element, and set time offset values there
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tantek
of course, setting the URL to a media fragment SHOULD work
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tantek
so that is a bug
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tantek
however if you wanted to get it to "work" today
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KartikPrabhu
maybe the media is loaded before the JS changes the URL ?
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aaronpk
KartikPrabhu: i'm just running this in the console after the page loads
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KartikPrabhu
right, so the video object is already loaded before the JS acts on it no?
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KartikPrabhu
so it uses the old URL without fragment
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aaronpk
this is weird, in both chrome and safari, it's not doing *anything* when I set the src attribute of <source>, which is where the original media is defined. but if I set the src attribute of <video> then it does update!
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aaronpk
KartikPrabhu: yes, but i should be able to replace the URL after the page loads, like you can do with images
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aaronpk
same with FF!
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aaronpk
this seems like a weird bug
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aaronpk
KartikPrabhu: sure but i should be able to just replace the source URL :)
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aaronpk
aha! FF is the only one that respects the position fragment when setting the URL in JS, but it only works if I set the attribute of the <video> tag
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aaronpk
oh wait no, they all work with that. i must have done something wrong before
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aaronpk
okay, so, replacing the URL with a fragment URL works as expected. the bug is that even though I've defined the original URL on a <source> tag inside <video>, I have to set the src attribute on the <video> tag in order to change it
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aaronpk
the behaviour is the same across chrome/ff/safari
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tantek
interop is good then at least
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KartikPrabhu
sorry second Note
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aaronpk
aha, at least it's documented
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KartikPrabhu
apparently changing the "src" on <source> is not supposed to do anything
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aaronpk
okay then the problem is that i should be able to read the "src" attribute of the <video> tag to find out which one it loaded
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KartikPrabhu
yes, possibly. the <video> src sttribute could be accessed from JS ?
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aaronpk
it's blank
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tantek
I thought for sure there was a separate mediaobject DOM API
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tantek
that you would get for audio or video elements
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tantek
and then ask it / do stuff to it
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aaronpk
perfect
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@RickWebb
God, DMCA takedowns are out of control. One mistake and you lose your entire archive. BS. QT [@flight404] For those following along, @VimeoStaff has officially told me they can't help me. This means some of my work is forever lost.
(twtr.io/1NFrPEJbNg6)
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tantek
what is Vimeo
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Loqi
Vimeo is a video hosting silo and recently started errantly removing independent content that happened to mention the word "Pixels" https://indieweb.org/Vimeo
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tantek
Vimeo << [https://twitter.com/RickWebb/status/829034347575537666 2017-02-07 DMCA takedowns result in data loss]
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@RickWebb
God, DMCA takedowns are out of control. One mistake and you lose your entire archive. BS. QT [@flight404] For those following along, @VimeoStaff has officially told me they can't help me. This means some of my work is forever lost.
(twtr.io/1NFrPEJbNg6)
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Loqi
ok, I added "[https://twitter.com/RickWebb/status/829034347575537666 2017-02-07 DMCA takedowns result in data loss]" to the "See Also" section of /Vimeo
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aaronpk
oh this is good
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aaronpk
waits until tomorrow to finish it and write about it
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tantek
oh yeah you did emojis already today
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tantek
goodness
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aaronpk
a lot of emojis
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aaronpk
all morning
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mlncn
Hi! A friend has the domain indieweb.site (and he's looking to cut down his collection). Anyone here want it?
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[kevinmarks]
How does it handle arbitrary zwj sequences?
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aaronpk
mlncn: i have enough indieweb.* domains already :)
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aaronpk
[kevinmarks]: throw me some in github issues!
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mlncn
ok, i'll be back on later, i think several folks know how to reach me, if anyone decides they don't have enough indieweb domains :-)
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aaronpk
[kevinmarks]: looks like it returns the ZWJ character as its own character if it doesn't combine to a known emoji