#indieweb 2017-02-18

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dgold there's something (?) overriding the 'u-like-of' with 'p-bookmark' when bookmarks are enabled
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dgold however, without bookmarks enabled. the 'u-like-of' isn't rendered _at all_
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tantek very odd
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dgold well, Like/Reposts are a 3p plugin, whereas Bookmarks are part of core
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dgold tell kylewm 'https://github.com/kylewm/KnownReactions/issues/17#issuecomment-280801871 -- BenWerd broke your plugin'
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dgold !tell kylewm 'https://github.com/kylewm/KnownReactions/issues/17#issuecomment-280801871 -- BenWerd broke your plugin'
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek heh
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dgold they still don't work when you revert that one little piece, but that's what broke kyle's reactions
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gRegorLove kylewm hasn't been around very regularly, so may not get that message very soon. github / twitter might be faster.
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gRegorLove https://github.com/kylewm
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GWG I miss kylewm
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tantek same
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dgold oh, his site is down too.
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dgold filed an issue in known anyway.
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dgold right. i'm to the bed. night folks
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tantek puzzles over quoting the entirety of a post's content (like a quote tweet does) vs quoting only part of a post's content (which would probably be improper to POSSE as a quote tweet)
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[kevinmarks] Well, if the quote won't fit in a tweet?
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tantek huh?
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tantek it already did
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tantek if you're posting a quote tweet, you're quoting the entirety *of someone else's tweet*
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[kevinmarks] Oh, if you're quoting a tweet, rather than a post in general
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tantek yes you likely want to POSSE them differently
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tantek especially when you're quoting only *part* of someone else's post
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[kevinmarks] If I've already made a tweet length posse, would you be quoting that?
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[kevinmarks] Ah, because you can't selectively quote a quote tweet as it is a link
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tantek right
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[kevinmarks] There's this technique http://www.kevinmarks.com/mentionquote.html
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Loqi Mentions as quotes 2015-05-22
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tantek I think partial quotes could be POSSEd as @-replies
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[kevinmarks] Or quote links with fragmentions
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tantek using a long enough fragmention, you could always provide a URL to the entirety of what you are quoting
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[kevinmarks] Exactly, which was the point of my auto_link extension
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tantek bootstrapping a new laptop to be indieweb capable, may have to blog this (or at least wiki it on my user page)
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aaronpk what does a laptop being "indieweb capable" entail?
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GWG aaronpk: Stickers?
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[chrisaldrich] stickers++
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Loqi stickers has 2 karma in this channel (3 overall)
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GWG Indieweb Inside?
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aaronpk ?
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aaronpk now i want that sticker
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[chrisaldrich] I'm going to have to modify my old lenovo to say IndiePad now.
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tantek aaronpk - for starters, logging into the wiki ;)
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tantek "indieweb capable" is almost like re-walking the steps / levels of IndieMark, on a new device
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tantek starting with identity
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aaronpk i'm just confused about what a laptop has to do with your online presence
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tantek it is a device used to access your online presence
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tantek what is a laptop?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "laptop" yet. Would you like to create it?
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aaronpk but i regularly use many devices to access my online presence
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tantek a laptop is a device used to access your online presence
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Loqi ok
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tantek why but?
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aaronpk i guess it doesn't seem very relevant?
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aaronpk my laptop is essentially a dumb terminal as far as my online presence is concerned
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tantek hence why I'm taking notes
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tantek it's that "essentially" where the interesting parts are
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tantek and that's what I'm documenting
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tantek what is an iPod?
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Loqi The Apple iPod is a portable music player that comes in many forms, including the iPod Touch which runs iOS, iOS applications, and can be used as a mobile communicator and web browsing device https://indieweb.org/iPod
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on ? Podcast Directories | Why Can’t We … ? by Jeremy Cherfas" by Jeremy Cherfas on 2017-02-17 http://boffosocko.com/2017/02/16/podcast-directories-why-cant-we/#comment-33873
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tantek aaronpk: signing into IndieAuth with GitHub for the first time on a new machine, it shows *your face* (!!!) then "Sign into GitHub" / "to continue to IndieAuth"
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tantek that's a little disturbing because I didn't expect to see your icon there!
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tantek took a screenshot to show what I mean
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tantek but I have to login to upload ;)
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tantek aaronpk: emailed you the screenshot - hopefully you'll see what that's a disturbing UX ;)
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tantek this is part of that "entail" or "essentially" referenced above ;)
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aaronpk hah i did not realize that either
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aaronpk i need a good logo for indieauth.com. i don't like any of the current ones
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tantek you might as well use the current graphic on indieauth.com as a placeholder for now, just to at least make that consistent
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tantek the green A with i-as-negative-space thing
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tantek (kinda clever actually)
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tantek and simple
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tantek that's an easy 100days of project ;)
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aaronpk yup already on it :)
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tantek lol
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aaronpk i don't think i can finish my emoji thing tonight :)
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tantek oh goodness I just noticed via @100daysindieweb that you hadn't done it for today yet!
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tantek it's getting late!
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tantek says, not having done his 100DoPP for today yet either
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Loqi [indieweb] "Colin and David, I've been a long time Feedly user myself and certainly feel your pain. (And in particular, I'm a bit irked that I" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-02-18 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/colin-and-david-ive-been-a-long-time-feedly-user
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@100daysindieweb Day 59: Updated the Logo on http://IndieAuth.com's GitHub Login #100DaysOfIndieWeb: https://aaronparecki.com/2017/02/17/21/day-59 (twitter.com/_/status/832816374149898240)
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aaronpk that was weirder than i thought it was going to be
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aaronpk ended up reporting two bugs to github o.O
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tantek nice
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Loqi [indieweb] "? Post filtering fixes at Homebrew Website Club | Colin Devroe" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-02-18 http://boffosocko.com/2017/02/17/post-filtering-fixes-at-homebrew-website-club-colin-devroe/
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@ChrisAldrich @cdevroe, do you mind if we provide a link to your theme on https://indieweb.org/WordPress/Themes http://boffosocko.com/2017/02/17/post-filtering-fixes-at-homebrew-website-club-colin-devroe/ (twitter.com/_/status/832821188334383105)
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[kevinmarks] The subtle reference to the i in TEAM works
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Zegnat !tell tantek re: HWC 2017-02-14 photo, it doesn’t exist. We were scrambling to get out when they were closing the venue and the forgot until we were all heading to our respective trains.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG Morning
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Loqi morning!
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dgold Goat Moaning!
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@kevinmarks “Facebook does something even more insidious.It replaces the public sphere with a space that seems public” https://medium.com/@justinhendrix/bike-lanes-and-world-war-iii-efd9383ca9ad #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/832996204610850816)
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Loqi [indieweb] "“Facebook does something even more insidious.It replaces the public sphere with a space that seems public” https://medium.com/@justinhendrix/bike-lanes-and-world-war-iii-efd9383ca9ad #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-02-18 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/facebook-does-something-even-more-insidiousit-replaces-the-public-sphere
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@minimalistway أي مطور للويب أو مهتم بها يجب أن يفهم فكرة هذا الموقع https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/832997361353883650)
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@kevinmarks @minimalistway would you like to start an Arabic translation? https://indieweb.org/how-to-start-new-translation (twitter.com/_/status/833004077684449282)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Pretty sure now that I more know what I want out of my #indieweb WordPress site, I’m going to rewrite the theme from the ground up." by miklb on 2017-02-18 https://miklb.com/1068-2/
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@miklb Pretty sure now that I more know what I want out of my #indieweb WordPress site, I’m going to rewrite the theme from the ground up. (twitter.com/_/status/833020323071135744)
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snarfed miklb++
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GWG Hello, snarfed. Any Indieweb excitement going on?
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snarfed heh
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wolcen Hi all! I wanted to offer up a few domains to the people here, provided they would be used for some cooperative effort to advance IWC principles. If someone has an idea for them (say cooperative hosting, or DynDNS service?), let me know, and I'll be happy to transfer them over. I have them until at least Mar 15th, and would be happy to gift the recipient another year on any one of them for a good cause:
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wolcen cooperative.site
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wolcen indieweb.site
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wolcen served.site
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wolcen showmy.site
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wolcen liberation.site
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wolcen nonfree.site
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snarfed !tell keithjgrant https://github.com/keithjgrant/omnibear looks awesome! could be a good building block for https://snarfed.org/posting-to-the-indieweb-from-your-phone , ben_thatmustbeme's micropub phone app (forgot name), etc
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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wolcen Nice - one of my hopes was to work on phone apps of some sort to help lower the technical barrier to entry, so that'd be great!
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wolcen Oh - one more: servedon.top
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miklb GWG after adding the quote kind, I think I understand how the kind templates work, and intend to use them in my theme rewrite. I know you've mentioned modifying that, but that's not on your radar at the moment, is it?
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GWG miklb, I want to make them work even more like theme templates.
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GWG But my plan for Post Kinds is parser, then improve UI, then storage, then display.
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GWG I know that is backward thinking
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miklb I'm assuming I can start using them now, and when you enhance, I'll be able to migrate.
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GWG But it means that the existing stuff will not conflict as quickly.
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GWG miklb, yes. And as for timeframe, three day weekend. I might get through the first two.
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miklb good deal
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GWG miklb, I may also stop to fix some reported issues. I can't seem to make everyone using Bridgy Publish happy, for example.
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miklb is happy ;-)
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GWG I am just noticing as an amateur how easy it is to build something that makes perfect sense to you and confuses everyone else.
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GWG miklb, can I ask you how you find the Post Kinds UI elements?
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miklb The only change I would recommend is for the settings and choosing which post kinds to use for the site. I find the multi-select difficult.
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miklb I would use simple check boxes myself.
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GWG miklb, I intend to. I just did that for Bridgy.
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miklb ?
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GWG miklb, could be a lot of checkboxes over time.
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GWG miklb, what about in the post UI? Nothing there?
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miklb Nothing really jumps out to me.
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GWG People seem to find it good for all the settings or confusing.
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GWG I hate to say that the solution may be more JavaScript
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GWG To show/hide options to avoid confusion.
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miklb Or just remove options :-P
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GWG miklb, the options reflect Microformats properties. People want more of those, not less
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miklb sure, I was mostly joking.
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GWG I don't have RSVP, for example. I don't support a featured image for a reply context, and my author icon support is hacky.
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miklb But yeah, maybe an "advanced" section with a show/hide
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GWG I did the tabbed interface for that.
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GWG Then if I ever get to check-in...
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miklb One thing I will mention, is that when you retrieve a Url for a response, it's not intuitive at first that the data is loaded in the citation tab. Don't have an immediate suggestion, just mentioning it since the discussion is on that topic
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GWG miklb, I considered hiding properties based on the kind selector.
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GWG It would address my overloading of the text boxes based on kind.
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miklb that's an option for sure. I've mentioned the CMB2 library/plugin before, I've used some code with that to do conditional meta boxes
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GWG I will probably do it myself for the education
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miklb yeah, you are pretty far into this plugin to rewrite everything to use a library for the metaboxes probably
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@TechLifeWeb WP custom posts type still not sending webmentions and I can’t make trackbacks/pingbacks on by default. #indieweb problems. (twitter.com/_/status/833038510873538561)
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GWG That's odd.
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GWG The second one should be completely unrelated to the first one.
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GWG Well, actually, if you turn off pings, it will turn off webmentions
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GWG So I retract my statement
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Loqi [indieweb] "Liked this tweet: ♝ Michael Bishop ♝ on Twitter: “Pretty sure now that I more know what I want out of my #indieweb WordPress site, I’m going to rewrite the theme from the ground up.”" by Scott Kingery on 2017-02-18 http://techlifeweb.com/posse/15449/
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Loqi [indieweb] "WP custom posts type still not sending webmentions and I can’t make trackbacks/pingbacks on by default. #indieweb problems." by Scott Kingery on 2017-02-18 http://techlifeweb.com/posse/15448/
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "This Week in the IndieWeb February 10 - 17, 2017" https://martymcgui.re/2017/02/18/151503/
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aaronpk whoa!
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martymcguire[m] hey folks. just put together a little experimental audio version of This Week in the IndieWeb
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martymcguire[m] any and all feedback welcome!
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martymcguire[m] aaronpk++ for the 100daysofmusic music. i am still not totally sure of how you are licensing those pieces, so please let me know if you want me to cease from using them. :}
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Loqi aaronpk has 469 karma in this channel (1219 overall)
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aaronpk haha i haven't quite figured that out yet either, but definitely feel free to use them for this!
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Loqi rofl
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aaronpk this is amazing
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martymcguire[m] thanks!! it was a lot of fun to put together.
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aaronpk martymcguire++
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Loqi martymcguire has 5 karma
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aaronpk that was fantastic. do I want to know how long that took to put together?
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martymcguire[m] a few hours
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Loqi [indieweb] "Untitled" on 2017-02-18
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aaronpk that's not bad!
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aaronpk considering each of those songs took a few hours :)
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martymcguire[m] haha, right? it's amazing how much effort goes into creating audio. your 100daysofmusic project definitely inspired me to give this a shot.
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martymcguire[m] i think i'll be able to streamline this a lot in the future. a lot of my time today was spent in "hmm, how should this work?" mode.
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aaronpk yeah definitely. i hope you continue it!
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aaronpk and that was definitely one of the reasons i've been writing these songs, so i have a quick library of a variety of music to use in podcasts.
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martymcguire[m] summarizing the wiki updates probably takes the most time.
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aaronpk yeah definitely, i was surprised at how much detail you went into!
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martymcguire[m] i feel that music really helps glue something like this together
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martymcguire[m] i will need to find a quicker way to summarize the wiki content but i think it's one of the most valuable things an audio version can do
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martymcguire[m] i often click through the newsletter to see the diffs for a sense of what folks have been up to. finding ways to group them and describe them concisely is quite interesting!
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tantek listens to https://martymcgui.re/2017/02/18/151503/
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Loqi tantek: Zegnat left you a message 12 hours, 20 minutes ago: re: HWC 2017-02-14 photo, it doesn’t exist. We were scrambling to get out when they were closing the venue and the forgot until we were all heading to our respective trains.
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Loqi [Marty McGuire] This Week in the IndieWeb February 10 - 17, 2017
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martymcguire[m] i am definitely open to feedback on any elements of this. for example: is there too much unexplained jargon? are there other calls to action i should be making, or ways to make those clearer?
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tantek what is lastweek?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "lastweek" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is last-week?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/last-week
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tantek hmm
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aaronpk oh double redirect
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tantek fixed
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tantek that music as interludes between sections is great!
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tantek the audio quality is incredible
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tantek martymcguire++ wow
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martymcguire[m] thanks! it was fun to put together. i'm already collecting improvements for next week. :}
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tantek is it an actual podcast that can be subscribed to?
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GWG martymcguire[m]: Very nice.
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aaronpk we need an h-feed to podcast feed converter :)
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GWG martymcguire[m]: If you need an alternate reader to take turns in generating the audio, will be happy to take a few as time permits.
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tantek aaronpk where's the h-feed? and is it linking to the audio files with u-audio in the h-entry?
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aaronpk looks like it is, because my repost of it found the audio!
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aaronpk ah no h-feed. i was hoping martymcguire[m] would have a tag page that would list them all :)
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tantek whoa what
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martymcguire[m] there's no podcast feed quite yet, and i don't have an isolated h-feed of just those posts. i'll work on that for next week.
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martymcguire[m] for now it's in my main h-feed with h-entry and u-audio
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tantek this claims to have an h-feed ;)
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tantek https://indieweb.org/this-week-in-the-indieweb
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aaronpk the html version does!
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tantek so clearly that should u-audio link to the podcast!
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aaronpk heh
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martymcguire[m] GWG: great idea! in my wild imaginings i could see this working similarly to the way indienews works, where different readers could submit their versions (e.g. to support different languages)
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aaronpk that'd work
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GWG martymcguire[m]: I speak the same language as you though.
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aaronpk here, I made a tag that I can use for my reposts of them :) https://aaronparecki.com/tag/this-week-podcast
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aaronpk aw, running that through granary does not produce a valid podcast feed
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tantek sounds like a feature request for granary!
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martymcguire[m] GWG: good point. i see no reason not to have multiple readers over time. however, if we want don't want duplicates there would need to be some coordination.
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GWG martymcguire[m]: Exactly. I'm willing to do a few.
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aaronpk https://github.com/snarfed/granary/issues/102
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tantek I wonder if an /edit post could be used to submit a u-audio to the permalink of a this-week post
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aaronpk hm, we haven't talked about edit posts in a while
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tantek right
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aaronpk this is a good use of them, since micropub doesn't really make sense in this caes
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tantek but that would be a natural indieweb way for martymcguire to webmention a this-week post with a suggestion of adding the audio!
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tantek and then you could moderate, or indieweb.org could whitelist receiving webmention edits
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tantek I think micropub has helped understand how editing/updating should work
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tantek and it would be a good idea to update /edit post brainstorming accordingly
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martymcguire[m] GWG: that would be great! if it helps, i can put together some notes on my process for this one. there are a few bits of intro/outro script that we could reuse, for example.
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GWG martymcguire[m]: I've found the best way to do something like this is to make the process as simple as possible.
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GWG The more work it takes to put out, the more it have potential to fade
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martymcguire[m] organizing and writing the scripts for the wiki edit summaries may be best for the reader to do, since they will be the one saying it and need to make it sound natural
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aaronpk sounds like it's worth writing up these notes on a wiki page :)
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martymcguire[m] GWG: i totally agree. this project has been on my mind for a couple of weeks and i kind of leapt into the deep end by deciding to start today and see what it takes to get one done. :}
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martymcguire[m] aaronpk: good point :D
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aaronpk you could even upload or hotlink some assets you used like the intro/outro that doesn't change every week
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martymcguire[m] yep, i'll need to DRY up the podcast process, haha.
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Loqi awesome
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martymcguire[m] got to run for now. i look forward to working on these next steps tomorrow!
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martymcguire[m] thanks for the feedback, everybody!
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tantek martymcguire[m]: you should add yourself to https://indieweb.org/audio#IndieWeb_Examples also!
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tantek with the example of your podcast
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tantek (I'm assuming you marked it up with u-audio inside the h-entry, since that's how p3k found it when aaronpk reposted it!)
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martymcguire[m] tantek: thanks! adding now.
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on PressForward as an IndieWeb WordPress-based RSS Feed Reader & Pocket/Instapaper Replacement by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-02-18 http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/31/pressforward-as-an-indieweb-wordpress-based-rss-feed-reader-pocketinstapaper-replacement/#comment-33880
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on RSS Feeds: A Follow up on My IndieWeb Commitment 2017 by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-02-18 http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/18/rss-feeds-a-follow-up-on-my-indieweb-commitment-2017/#comment-33879
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on PressForward as an IndieWeb WordPress-based RSS Feed Reader & Pocket/Instapaper Replacement by davidmead" by davidmead on 2017-02-18 http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/31/pressforward-as-an-indieweb-wordpress-based-rss-feed-reader-pocketinstapaper-replacement/#comment-33883
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tantek should a podcast send webmentions to the audio posts it uses portions thereof? if so how? is there a mediafragmention it could use to link to a subrange of the audio?
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tantek use-case: original audio posts could have a "As heard in / featured in" section listing what other media have made use of it
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tantek similarly should news articles that use a creative commons photo send webmentions to those photo posts?
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tantek similar use-case: original photo posts could have an explicit "As featured in" section listing articles that have used the photo
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KevinMarks there is a media fragments spec
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tantek yeah I know there is - it's kind of a mess
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aaronpk hm martymcguire[m] why didn't your post send webmentions to my music posts? I just sent one myself and now your podcast appears here! https://aaronparecki.com/2016/12/31/15/
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Day 11. I'm definitely less happy with this one than any others so far, but hey that's what this project is about. Putting stuff out there and not worrying too much about it. #100daysofmusic #100daysproject #the100dayproject... https://aaronparecki.com/2016/12/31/15/photo.jpg
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tantek hence I asked the question as I did
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tantek aaronpk I figured I'd uncover a bug with that question ;)
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aaronpk if there was some JS on marty's page that would skip the audio player to a specific part like YouTube, he could have set the source URL of the webmentions to my music posts to the specific parts in his podcast that use my music!
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tantek ah! he could use a source URL in the webmention that itself had a media fragment!
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KevinMarks in practice, sites are making their own audio fragment urls
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aaronpk yeah! then when you clicked the webmention on my site, you'd skip right to the part of his podcast! and that wouldn't even require any fancy mf2 parsing to make that work
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tantek IIRC the media fragment spec adopted something compat with that youtube share URLs do
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tantek that would be amazing
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tantek I think this belongs in a how to cite on /audio
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aaronpk makes a note to support time-based-fragments on his own video/audio posts
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tantek or at least brainstorming
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KevinMarks http://shortcut.thisamericanlife.org/
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tantek what is a media fragment?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "media fragment" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek KevinMarks: I'll let you look that one up and define / link it ;)
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tantek since that's real, and my term, mediafragmention is a freshly invented portmanteau ;)
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KevinMarks see also https://marco.org/2016/08/15/vbr-mp3-plea
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KevinMarks (this worked fine in Quicktime's vbr mp3 support in 2001 or so)
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KevinMarks media fragment is a way of linking to a part of a longer meida file. There is a w3 spec for this at https://www.w3.org/TR/media-frags/ but it is not widely implemented in practice
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Loqi ok
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KevinMarks media fragment << https://marco.org/2016/08/15/vbr-mp3-plea
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Loqi ok, I added "https://marco.org/2016/08/15/vbr-mp3-plea" to the "See Also" section of /media fragment
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KevinMarks media fragment << 3rd party tool http://shortcut.thisamericanlife.org/
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Loqi ok, I added "3rd party tool http://shortcut.thisamericanlife.org/" to the "See Also" section of /media fragment
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@100daysindieweb Day 60: Emoji Detector Library for PHP #100DaysOfIndieWeb: https://aaronparecki.com/2017/02/18/12/day-60-emoji-detector https://twitter.com/100daysindieweb/status/833083393147445248/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/833083393147445248)
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aaronpk *whew*
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tantek ah, no need for mediafragmentions if we can ge media fragments to work since they have *ranges*
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tantek e.g. "t=10,20 # => results in the time interval [10,20)"
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tantek https://www.w3.org/TR/media-frags/#naming-time
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aaronpk doesn't see a way to submit implementation reports to them
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aaronpk wow that's been a REC since 2012?
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tantek can you find their implementation reports?
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tantek I mean existing ones
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aaronpk ah there's a link embedded in the "status" section
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tantek that's the old style yeah
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aaronpk firefox and webkit implemented it!
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aaronpk sure enough! https://aaronparecki.com/2017/02/17/9/video.mp4#t=10,20 starts at 10 seconds and stops at 20!
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aaronpk and chrome too!
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tantek wait what really?
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aaronpk it works on the video URL itself
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KartikPrabhu yes confirmed on FF Ubuntu
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tantek perhaps this is more than a brainstorm then: https://indieweb.org/audio#Support_media_fragments
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tantek aaronpk, captured the cite & webmention brainstorm too: https://indieweb.org/audio#How_to_cite_and_webmention
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aaronpk unfortunately replacing the video tag in the page with a URL that includes a fragment does not update the player position
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aaronpk which means I can't use that to pass through the #t=10,20 from the URL of my html page into the video tag
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tantek is there a test for that in their test suite?
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aaronpk no, because their spec only talks about media URLs themselves, not HTML pages that embed media
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aaronpk if I render the video tag with the source URL that includes the time fragment then it works like expected
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tantek aaronpk: did you try ? as well as # ?
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tantek in the video tag src that is
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aaronpk chrome only supports #
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aaronpk same with safari
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aaronpk the distinction is not represented in their implementation report
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tantek less distinction = less support = less interop
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tantek sigh
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KartikPrabhu I sent a webmention to barnaby's post with a media fragment. I don't think he got around to implement it
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KartikPrabhu https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/gurdy-lights-sky
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Loqi [Kartik Prabhu] at this point I could totally picture the aurora in the back of my mind. Very nice!
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tantek aaronpk, if you find it doesn't work in FF, (either # or ?), please file a bug in bugzilla and cc tantek@cs... on it :)
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tantek Sound like https://indieweb.org/audio#Support_media_fragments is still a brainstorm then, until someone gets it to work!
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aaronpk the trick is we're using HTML URLs for everything
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tantek so is everyone that shares a youtube video
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tantek *humans* are using HTML URLs for everything
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aaronpk i'm confused about why it doesn't work when I replace the URL with JS
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tantek we're just adopting normal human practice
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aaronpk tries in other browsers
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tantek aaronpk, hmm - I think I implemented this kind of thing back in the day at Revision3
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tantek (like in 2010)
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tantek rather than setting the URL, you may need to get some sort of "MediaInterface" object from the DOM for the element, and set time offset values there
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tantek of course, setting the URL to a media fragment SHOULD work
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tantek so that is a bug
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tantek however if you wanted to get it to "work" today
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KartikPrabhu maybe the media is loaded before the JS changes the URL ?
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: i'm just running this in the console after the page loads
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KartikPrabhu right, so the video object is already loaded before the JS acts on it no?
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KartikPrabhu so it uses the old URL without fragment
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aaronpk this is weird, in both chrome and safari, it's not doing *anything* when I set the src attribute of <source>, which is where the original media is defined. but if I set the src attribute of <video> then it does update!
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4mvNAkdy.jpg
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KartikPrabhu hmm
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: yes, but i should be able to replace the URL after the page loads, like you can do with images
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KartikPrabhu true
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aaronpk same with FF!
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: how about using https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/HTMLMediaElement/currentTime ?
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aaronpk this seems like a weird bug
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: sure but i should be able to just replace the source URL :)
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KartikPrabhu agreed,
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aaronpk aha! FF is the only one that respects the position fragment when setting the URL in JS, but it only works if I set the attribute of the <video> tag
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aaronpk oh wait no, they all work with that. i must have done something wrong before
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aaronpk okay, so, replacing the URL with a fragment URL works as expected. the bug is that even though I've defined the original URL on a <source> tag inside <video>, I have to set the src attribute on the <video> tag in order to change it
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aaronpk the behaviour is the same across chrome/ff/safari
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tantek interop is good then at least
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: see first "Note" here http://w3c.github.io/html/semantics-embedded-content.html#the-source-element
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KartikPrabhu sorry second Note
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aaronpk aha, at least it's documented
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KartikPrabhu apparently changing the "src" on <source> is not supposed to do anything
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aaronpk okay then the problem is that i should be able to read the "src" attribute of the <video> tag to find out which one it loaded
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KartikPrabhu yes, possibly. the <video> src sttribute could be accessed from JS ?
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aaronpk it's blank
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tantek I thought for sure there was a separate mediaobject DOM API
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tantek that you would get for audio or video elements
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tantek and then ask it / do stuff to it
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: tantek: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/HTMLMediaElement/currentSrc
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aaronpk perfect
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tantek seen recently re: in silos gonna silo: https://twitter.com/RickWebb/status/829034347575537666
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@RickWebb God, DMCA takedowns are out of control. One mistake and you lose your entire archive. BS. QT [@flight404] For those following along, @VimeoStaff has officially told me they can't help me. This means some of my work is forever lost. (twitter.com/_/status/829034347575537666)
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tantek what is Vimeo
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Loqi Vimeo is a video hosting silo and recently started errantly removing independent content that happened to mention the word "Pixels" https://indieweb.org/Vimeo
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tantek Vimeo << [https://twitter.com/RickWebb/status/829034347575537666 2017-02-07 DMCA takedowns result in data loss]
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@RickWebb God, DMCA takedowns are out of control. One mistake and you lose your entire archive. BS. QT [@flight404] For those following along, @VimeoStaff has officially told me they can't help me. This means some of my work is forever lost. (twitter.com/_/status/829034347575537666)
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Loqi ok, I added "[https://twitter.com/RickWebb/status/829034347575537666 2017-02-07 DMCA takedowns result in data loss]" to the "See Also" section of /Vimeo
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aaronpk oh this is good
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aaronpk waits until tomorrow to finish it and write about it
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tantek oh yeah you did emojis already today
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tantek goodness
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aaronpk a lot of emojis
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aaronpk all morning
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mlncn Hi! A friend has the domain indieweb.site (and he's looking to cut down his collection). Anyone here want it?
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[kevinmarks] How does it handle arbitrary zwj sequences?
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aaronpk mlncn: i have enough indieweb.* domains already :)
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aaronpk [kevinmarks]: throw me some in github issues!
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[kevinmarks] Heh
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mlncn hehe
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mlncn ok, i'll be back on later, i think several folks know how to reach me, if anyone decides they don't have enough indieweb domains :-)
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aaronpk [kevinmarks]: looks like it returns the ZWJ character as its own character if it doesn't combine to a known emoji