#[katiejohnsonsf]That's very convenient but that happens to be the same weekend as GAFTA fest. ?
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#martymcguire[m]catches up on the mediafragmention discussion
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#martymcguire[m]aaronpk: I only send webmentions manually at this point and am neglectful about it.
#martymcguire[m]I can't imagine the actual process for noting to-the-second media fragments for mentions of uses of mentioned media posts, but I do like the idea very much!
#martymcguire[m]Err, I guess I can imagine it, actually, but I think it's an example of something where "manual until it hurts" becomes "ow ow ow not even once" :}
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#miklbyeah, now that I better know what I want, I don't want to get too far down the road with my hacked together code (both front end and WP)
#miklband rather than shoe horn in the changes I want, roughly same work i can start over and have a more manageable code base
#GWGmiklb: Working with the WordPress theme system can be frustrating at times.
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#GWGIt wasn't designed to accommodate this sort of thing
#miklbI sorta used to doing things with WordPress it wasn't designed for. :-)
#GWGmiklb: Yes, but the issue is doing it in an inclusive way
#GWGYou go too far from standard, it won't work with anything else.
#GWGFor me, that's an issue because I want to share with others.
#miklbMy current approach is that I'm building this for me first, the way I want it. Then I can take what I learn from that and see where I can help broaden it.
#GWGSo, I need to look for a solution that won't conflict with plugins or other options.
#GWGmiklb: When I take that approach, which I have, it isn't a project I recommend to others.
#GWGBut it is still also for me. Because I have other people's plugins installed.
#miklbSure. But if I'm not happy with my site and using it regularly, then I'm not being "IndieWeb".
#GWGmiklb: Agreed. I am still trying to get to owning my bookmarks.
#miklbI'm still a prolific Twitter user, and I want to break that habit. So having a site that looks and acts as an extension of me is a big part of breaking the habit.
#GWGFor myself, I see a convergence of what I'm doing where I am getting better at building these tools and connecting them together to the point where it does click.
#GWGThat is why I'm on the whirlwind tour of fixes right now.
#GWGBridgy Publish is accepting Micropub. Syndication Links, Micropub, and Bridgy Publish are all working together now.
#miklbah. Well, I use notes most, and like having quotes now, but want to utilize Bookmarks more as I get rolling. But truthfully, I haven't scratched the surface of post-kinds. One reason I want to modify my design, so I can present more post kinds.
#dansupanyone know of an activitystreams 1 validator?
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#GWGmiklb: Kind templates, as you saw, can be set in the theme. The ones built in are fairly simple right now, but if any you write better present a specific kind, tell me, I'd like to look and learn.
#GWGdansup: Haven't done much with AS, but I'm sure there is one
#miklbsure. Like I said, adding the quote kind allowed me to see how it is constructed, so now I see how to use them in the theme. I will probably put this theme on GitHub for reference when I'm done. Won't really be something anyone can just use. But some of the code could be useful.
#GWGI'm still annoyed at the number of custom types in OGP.
#GWGI like microformats, they are much more consistent. Although I think I need to reconsider my decision to place my h-card on my h-feed, as no one seems to recognize that.
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#GWGMaybe I should take tantek's statement..."My homepage is my h-card" as a guide
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#tantekGWG re: "27% of the known web would be Indieweb capable by now", that would make it a bit harder to evolve the indieweb. It's good that we're moving/evolving/iterating quickly with a smaller community, has made bugfixing etc. more possible.
#tantekwhereas you know more than anyone how "stuck" things get when "27% of the known web" depends on something (or even a fraction of that might break because of a change)
#GWGtantek: I was complimenting how far aaronpk had come. I agree with you that you can't move too fast.
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#tantekin addition there is the monoculture problem, which WP is somehwat experiencing with all their WP-specific APIs
#tantekthat is, say we got Vouch to work in a specific way in WP and it was deployed in core, then we would be stuck with *only* that way of making it work, since everyone would have to interop with it
#tantekI still maintain that we need solid multiple implementations of Vouch, tested with some sort of test suite, before Webmention+Vouch are ready for "27% of the known web" - then it can hopefully be committed with tests so that random changes to WordPress don't break Webmention+Vouch spec compliance
#GWGtantek: I'm still stuck on the implementation problem for more than basic webmentions.
#tantekGWG, I still think the key there is to start moving implementation of Webmention presentation of replies etc. into the main Webmention plugin, and decommission anything with "Semantic" or "Linkback" in the name
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#tanteksimplifying the plugin situation for the sake of the WordPress user
#tantekboth in number of plugins (to get Webmention to "work" according to user expectations), and in naming
#GWGtantek: I agree, but I can't disagree with pfefferle's point that the current implementation is, to quote him, 'a bit hacky'. So, we'd need a better implementation of that portion.
#tantekthat's ok, reimplement it feature by feature in the Webmention plugin
#tantekwithout copying the "hacky" code as it were