#indieweb 2017-02-21

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Loqi
[indieweb] "Comment on ? This Week in the IndieWeb February 10 – 17, 2017 (audio edition!) by Jeremy Cherfas" by Jeremy Cherfas on 2017-02-20 http://boffosocko.com/2017/02/20/this-week-in-the-indieweb-february-10-17-2017/#comment-33895
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Comment on ? This Week in the IndieWeb February 10 – 17, 2017 (audio edition!) by Marty McGuire" by Marty McGuire on 2017-02-20 http://boffosocko.com/2017/02/20/this-week-in-the-indieweb-february-10-17-2017/#comment-33898
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Comment on ? This Week in the IndieWeb February 10 – 17, 2017 (audio edition!) by Marty McGuire" by Marty McGuire on 2017-02-20 http://boffosocko.com/2017/02/20/this-week-in-the-indieweb-february-10-17-2017/#comment-33897
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Comment on ? This Week in the IndieWeb February 10 – 17, 2017 (audio edition!) by Charles ☕ Stanhope" by Charles ☕ Stanhope on 2017-02-20 http://boffosocko.com/2017/02/20/this-week-in-the-indieweb-february-10-17-2017/#comment-33899
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Comment on ? Podcast Directories | Why Can’t We … ? by Marty McGuire" by Marty McGuire on 2017-02-20 http://boffosocko.com/2017/02/16/podcast-directories-why-cant-we/#comment-33890
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Comment on ? This Week in the IndieWeb February 10 – 17, 2017 (audio edition!) by Amanda J. Rush" by Amanda J. Rush on 2017-02-20 http://boffosocko.com/2017/02/20/this-week-in-the-indieweb-february-10-17-2017/#comment-33896
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GWG
Hi, miklb
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miklb
evening
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GWG
I finished some changes.
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miklb
cool. I need to switch over to submodules.
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GWG
miklb: submodules?
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miklb
My WP is a git repo, so switch to using GitHub repos as submodules for the plugins
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miklb
IndieWeb plugins
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GWG
miklb: Okay.
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miklb
I thought I had post-kinds already set up, but somewhere along the way switched back.
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GWG
miklb: Do you remember the Post Properties metabox in the Post UI?
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GWG
I was just working on that. Any suggestions?
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miklb
only thing I can think of is some way to let the user know when they click `retrieve` that something loaded
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GWG
I rearranged the tabs also
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GWG
miklb: Done.
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miklb
should I switch over to the branch?
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GWG
miklb: I haven't hooked the fields up to the save function.
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GWG
So right now, all you could do is see it.
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GWG
But I'm working on your feature right now.
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GWG
Popups are easy enough
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miklb
I'm thinking more for beginning users for that, but it could benefit anyone.
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snarfed
!tell jihaisse petermolnar re bridgy backfeeding private posts, feel free to file an issue with details on how you'd like it to work!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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miklb
GWG I'm just jumping into the kind templates, and I created a kind-quote.php in my theme and it's not picking it up. anything I should be aware of?
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GWG
miklb: You put it into the right subdirectory?
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miklb
subdirectory?
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GWG
It is supposed to be in a subdirectory in your theme called 'kind_views'.
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miklb
cool, that works. Excellent!
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miklb
now to unravel the concatenated strings. I'm horrible and using HTML in php strings :-)
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GWG
miklb: You see why I want to go to a more traditional template with HTML. The problem is that I need a string, as opposed to echoing directly.
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miklb
how so?
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GWG
Mostly because I need to either add it to the_content filter or echo it directly if the theme allows.
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techlifeweb
GWG: what is the syntax to add to the end of wp-admin/post-new.php to make a "like" post kind?
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miklb
ah yeah.
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GWG
techlifeweb: There is a like post kind.
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techlifeweb
GWG: I know. I'm making a book mark to set it when I do a new post
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GWG
Oh, add ?kind=like to the URL and it will set it automatically.
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techlifeweb
got it. thanks
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techlifeweb
I was thinking it was post_kind for some reason
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GWG
techlifeweb: It would have been post type, but that's a WordPress thing. So I needed another term.
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miklb
GWG so even with my theme template override, it's just setting what is added to the_content filter?
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GWG
miklb: Yes. I wish I had a better way of doing it, short of output buffering.
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techlifeweb
GWG: makes sense. Do you know if there is similar syntax to set the post format via url like that?
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GWG
techlifeweb: There actually is.
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GWG
Although I have thought of setting the post_format that is closest to the kind.
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GWG
I believe it is ?post_format=aside
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miklb
GWG what about using custom taxonomy templates?
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GWG
miklb: They are for the archives, aren't they?
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miklb
yeah, just realized that
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techlifeweb
?post_format=aside doesn't work for me.
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GWG
Let me check. One second
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GWG
Odd. I just checked. post_format is the taxonomy for post formats.
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miklb
what did you think it was?
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GWG
post_format
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GWG
But techlifeweb said that didn't work
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GWG
techlifeweb: Does your theme support post formats?
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techlifeweb
GWG: it does. but it's possible something is broken so I'll switch to a different theme and try it
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GWG
Hope to help figure it out
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miklb
so there is a filter for single_templae
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miklb
template
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GWG
miklb: ?
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miklb
oh, sorry, thinking out load. There is. WP filter for single_template so could potentially hook into that to use custom templates for kind-tax. But doesn't help with the the_content filtering
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techlifeweb
GWG: Nope. Tried Twenty-Fifteen (included with WP) and it still didn't wok. To be clear, I can set post formats, I just can't set them via ?post_format=aside url syntax
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techlifeweb
I've done some searching on this and haven't found anything
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GWG
miklb: If I move to requiring people to edit their themes...it's an issue.
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miklb
not suggesting that.
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miklb
but if I use get template part in my theme, it's not a filter the_content, so just reading the code to see how it can be pure output.
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GWG
miklb: I know. I'm just saying that is the scenario that makes it harder for people. I'd like more themes directly adding the info. But there are a bunch of problems.
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miklb
might need to move to dev
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GWG
miklb: I'm already there
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snarfed
granary now supports u-audio podcast feeds!
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snarfed
tested in my podcast app
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strugee
hey aaronpk: https://indieweb.org/User:Aaronparecki.com#working_on seems to kinda contradict the section immediately after it. dunno if you want to do anything about it but there it is
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aaronpk
snarfed: oh that's awesome!
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aaronpk
strugee: more like the "working on" section is talking about the specs, the "figured out" is the implementation :)
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aaronpk
i'll try to make that clearer :)
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strugee
aaronpk: yeah, I figured :)
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martymcguire[m]
snarfed++ for granary u-audio podcast feeds! i will hand them out to all my friends.
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Loqi
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strugee
Salt: two things:
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strugee
1. I finally got my act together and made a page on the IWC wiki so it doesn't redlink anymore :P
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strugee
2. I see you've listed me as a coorganizer for a Seattle IWC - I'm certainly interested but it's unclear whether I'll even be in town for SeaGL (much less an IWC) because of college
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strugee
since I don't know where I'm going yet
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Loqi
rise and shine!
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jeremycherfas
Aaronpk: Quill is not pushing the content of a bookmark to my Known site. I get the Title with link, but not the content. Anything I can do?
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@jkphl
@ambrwlsn90 Oh nice! Why don't u team up w/ @adactio&@Wordridden + join us for http://indieweb.org/2017/Nuremberg (still need to properly invite them)
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pfefferle
good morning #indieweb
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jihaisse
hello pfefferle
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Loqi
jihaisse: snarfed left you a message 9 hours, 25 minutes ago: petermolnar re bridgy backfeeding private posts, feel free to file an issue with details on how you'd like it to work!
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jihaisse
petermolnar: ok, thanks :) I will file an issue on bridgy
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petermolnar
that's from snarfed
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jihaisse
petermolnar: oups :)
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jihaisse
thanks GWG
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jihaisse
I’ve made an admin notice, so when the plugin will be updated, it will show the deprecation warning
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jihaisse
Updated the https://wordpress.org/plugins/relsyndication with the latest from github
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jihaisse
support Social, SNAP and bridgy
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jihaisse
BTW, social is no longer working :(
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tommorris
so, tommorris.org no longer uses (the now dead) Mozilla Persona and now uses... IndieAuth!
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tommorris
I log into my site using my own site.
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jihaisse
tommorris: that is inception
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petermolnar
but what if your site is down?
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jihaisse
petermolnar: ahah :)
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jihaisse
you can’t login because you’re site is down or because you can’t access to it ?
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petermolnar
that's a scenario for me, when I lock myself out with fail2ban from my own site (yes, it did happen, but not recently)
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tommorris
I'm sure I can ssh in...
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jihaisse
you have to login in ssh to your server via another server
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petermolnar
depends on the fail2ban rule; I tend to block 80 & 443 only if it's a block based on web access
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jihaisse
sure :)
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petermolnar
call for disaster: pam indieauth module
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petermolnar
what is pam?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "pam" yet. Would you like to create it?
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petermolnar
pam is (Linux) Pluggable Authentication Modules, an authentication subsystem for UNIX-like operating systems.
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tommorris
PAM is pretty nifty. I have PAM setup to log into my laptop with my YubiKey.
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petermolnar
until systemd-whateverd kills that as well :/ (offtopic)
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tommorris
systemd doesn't tend to be much of a problem on OS X. :)
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tommorris
is systemd actually going to affect PAM?
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petermolnar
what is stalkscan.com?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "stalkscan.com" yet. Would you like to create it?
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petermolnar
stalkscan.com is https://stalkscan.com/ a Facebook searching service which let's you find all 'public' - both by default and by all means - data for any user with much deeper granularity than Facebook itself, even reveling data your Facebook export excludes, such as your comments on others data.
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Zegnat
Stalkscan definitely has a lot of information that was unavailable in the Facebook export :o The photos-I-liked page is especially cool to see
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petermolnar
and that's public data
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petermolnar
check from a clean, logged out browser
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petermolnar
which is scary
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petermolnar
it shows, for example, all posts to hidden groups as well
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petermolnar
which, in my opinion, really shouldn't be publicly visible
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Zegnat
is that a hidden vs closed group difference or something?
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Zegnat
Ah, hmm, I was thinking closed vs secret. But in both cases only members should be able to see posts that have been made inside
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petermolnar
ok, I'm talking _secret group_
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petermolnar
posts publicly visible
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petermolnar
I might be mistaken
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Zegnat
Current options when creating a group: http://imgur.com/a/dlFGO
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petermolnar
ah, ok, no
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petermolnar
I was mistaken
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petermolnar
I was loggin in in chrome, not sure, how, though
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@mazenovi
@aeris22 de plus le selfhosting se perfectionne avec @yunohost ou @indiewebcamp ne pas miner leurs intentions pourrait aussi être un plan
(twitter.com/_/status/834029660690403328)
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jihaisse
petermolnar: but you have to be connected to make it work, no ?
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jihaisse
connected to facebook
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@aeris22
@mazenovi @yunohost @indiewebcamp Attendre mon prochain billet sur le sujet. Yuno et Indie, c’est bien, mais ça peut piquer aussi.
(twitter.com/_/status/834030245309186048)
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@mazenovi
@aeris22 @yunohost @indiewebcamp ben oui mais au fur et à mesure ça pique de moins en moins ... c'est aussi un constat
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@aeris22
@mazenovi @yunohost @indiewebcamp Non. Le self-hosting « bien fait » est TRÈS TRÈS compliqué.
(twitter.com/_/status/834030707710246912)
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Zegnat
jihaisse: you shouldn’t have to be logged in to see information that is public on Facebook.
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jihaisse
so if I see nothing from my profile, that is because I do it right ;)
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@mazenovi
@aeris22 @yunohost @indiewebcamp on s'arrête là alors: il faut s'entnedre sur Le self-hosting « bien fait » et ce qui TRÈS TRÈS compliqué
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Zegnat
Haha, yes
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Loqi
hahahaha
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@mazenovi
@aeris22 @yunohost @indiewebcamp enfin c'est le principe du bug fix, on peut faire remonter la faille sans démonter le produit ...
(twitter.com/_/status/834031685008228353)
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@mazenovi
@aeris22 @yunohost @indiewebcamp et puis y a un paquet de trucs privateurs que tu peux powner en 1 recherche shodan ...
(twitter.com/_/status/834032123925381120)
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@aeris22
@mazenovi @yunohost @indiewebcamp Sauf que cf le flux twitter derrière, patcher cette faille *impose* de ne pas faire de self-hosting 2 clic
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@aeris22
@mazenovi @yunohost @indiewebcamp Oui tout à fait :P Pour ça que je dis que ce n’est ni nécessaire ni suffisant.
(twitter.com/_/status/834033555743318016)
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jeremycherfas
!Tell chrisaldrich In view of the recent discussions here about reposting entire content, as opposed to snippets for a quote, do you think the same considerations should apply to audio content? As it happens, I have no sponsors, but if I did, and if a lot of people started listening to my podcasts from your site, I wouldn’t register those listeners as psrt of my audience, and my sponsors might not like that. Jst as an example
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
[indieweb] " I've worked out that the SQL dBase between known 0.9.1 & .2 changed a lot, so I think I've lost my older posts. Still, it was an experiment. #indieweb " by Daniel Goldsmith on 2017-02-21 https://headcrash.ascraeus.org/2017/ive-worked-out-that-the-sql-dbase-between-known-091
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aaronpk
jeremycherfas: podcast listener stats are kind of a best guess anyway, and anyone claiming they can count the exact number of listeners a podcast has is blowing smoke
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jeremycherfas
Aaronpk Of course; I’m not saying podcast stats are exact. I’m saying that this could systematically bias them down. No more than that.
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jeremycherfas
There are plenty of options for sending people to the original content, if one so chooses.
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Zegnat
For media things like that, you could look at what Twitch does. They allow everyone to capture a 30 second highlight of a stream for sharing around: https://blog.twitch.tv/announcing-clips-f8ade2113ddf
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Zegnat
Something like that might be reasonable for podcasts as well
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sknebel
Zegnat: lol at the examples "No, wait — your favorite cooking streamer finished a marathon baking session and finally sat down for a taste test, only to realize that he accidentally used salt instead of sugar… in every recipe"
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jeremycherfas
Zegnat: HTML5 ought to make that easier, and Clammr and other silos have tried, but it isn’t happening yet.
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Salt
strugee, thought I responded to this last night, re:1 yay, re:2 totally get it, still hoping that you'll LD organize if things align, if not we'll just have to see how IWC:Belingham goes
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Loqi
woot
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@derhess
Second Homebrew #Website Club in #Berlin tomorrow! Come over and let's talk about #indieweb https://sebastiangreger.net/2017/02/homebrew-website-club-berlin-2017-02-22/ #webdev #Webdesign
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jeremycherfas
What is silo.pub
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Loqi
silo.pub is a Micropub endpoint for hosted blogs like Tumblr, WordPress.com, Blogger, and Twitter https://indieweb.org/Silo.pub
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jeremycherfas
!tell kylewm getting 502 bad gateway from silo.pub and kylewm.com
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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dansup
silo.pub has a 502 gateway error
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dansup
ah
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dgold
woodwind.xyz the same
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snarfed
kyle's sites have been up and down intermittently for a couple months now, largely due to low disk space and not rotating logs
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snarfed
indieweb hasn't been a priority for him recently if anyone wants to offer ops help, or help take over maintennance of silo.pub and woodwind, he might take you up on it!
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aaronpk
i set up a copy of silo.pub for my own use, but I wouldn't mind if other people wanted to use it too
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aaronpk
tho I don't have API keys for all the services that silo.pub supports
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jeremycherfas
I can’t offer ops help or maintenance, but I’d offer other kinds of support, like money.
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Loqi
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aaronpk
that worked
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jeremycherfas
Thanks aaron; will it matter to you if I keep using that endpoint?
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aaronpk
go for it! it's not a very resource intensive service
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jeremycherfas
I’m not a very resource-intensive user.
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dgold
got a woodwind instance running the other day.
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dgold
was surprisingly easy
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aaronpk
sounds like i might need to bump up rebuilding monocle in my priority queue
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dansup
thanks aaronpk!
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jeremycherfas
Aaronpk: can you help me debug bookmarking with Quill? Whether I use the bookmarklet or the main Quill page, anything I put in the Content field does not make it back to my instance of Known. I’m not sure where to begin tracking things down.
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aaronpk
jeremycherfas: does posting regular notes work?
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Loqi
[Jeremy Cherfas] This is the content of a regular note from quill
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aaronpk
quill sends the content the same way for notes and bookmarks, so maybe it's a difference in how Known is creating the post?
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bear
snarfed - what is needed?
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jeremycherfas
I guess it must be. Maybe I should try a test from the editor.
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aaronpk
the editor sends content differently since it includes HTML
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jeremycherfas
Everything in the test post from Quill came through perfectly, So It must be in the way Known handles what’s coming in.
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jeremycherfas
Now, this is very interesting. When I go to edit the post, the words that were within blockquote from Quill, and which displayed as a quote in Known, are not visible in the edit screen.Exactly the same problem as here https://stream.jeremycherfas.net/2017/completely-mystified-by-editing-a-bookmark-in-withknown
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Loqi
[Jeremy Cherfas] Completely mystified by editing a bookmark in @withknown
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Loqi
[indieweb] "The IndieWeb and Journalism" by Daniel Goldsmith on 2017-02-21 http://boffosocko.com/?p=55676290
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dgold
jeremycherfas: I know its not what you want to hear but:
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dgold
Works perfectly in 0.9.1
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jeremycherfas
Er, what does? Quill?
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dgold
the Edit a quote on Bookmark thing
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jeremycherfas
How about on non-bookmark?
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jeremycherfas
Looks to me like something really bad has happened to handling of HTML somewhere along the line.
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jeremycherfas
I think I should open a new issue, referencing your issue.
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dgold
looking over the changelogs, I'm starting to think its the use of PHP_strip_tags
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dgold
that's the main change in how those things were handled between .9.1 & .9.2
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jeremycherfas
That might account for it. And then, when you cancel the edit, it goes back to whatever is stored in the dbase.
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dgold
when I edit in .9.1, there's a momentary flash of HTML formatted text
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jeremycherfas
I’ve raised and issue in any case.
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jeremycherfas
Dgold: It seems to be blockquotes that are the problem, not, for example H2
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strugee
Salt: sounds good. I hope so too
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Liked this tweet: ChrisAldrich on Twitter: “What?! @schmarty created an #IndieWeb podcast! #mustsubscribe https://t.co/fRXWjLfQ3i“" by Scott Kingery on 2017-02-21 http://techlifeweb.com/15508-2/
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Retweeted this tweet: Kevin Marks on Twitter: “If social media is displacing memory, all the more reason to #ownyourdata and not rely on silos https://t.co/3EECa9wnae #indieweb”" by Scott Kingery on 2017-02-21 http://techlifeweb.com/15511-2/
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Retweeted this tweet: Kevin Marks on Twitter: “If social media is displacing memory, all the more reason to #ownyourdata and not rely on silos https://t.co/3EECa9wnae #indieweb”" by Scott Kingery on 2017-02-21 http://techlifeweb.com/15513-2/
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KevinMarks
I've seen that kind of blockquote glitch before when you use an XML parser on HTML - could that be happening by accident?
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[jeremycherfas]
No idea as I don't know how Known does it's thing.
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Comment on The IndieWeb and Journalism by Daniel Goldsmith" by Daniel Goldsmith on 2017-02-21 http://boffosocko.com/2017/01/13/the-indieweb-and-journalism/#comment-33909
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Comment on ? This Week in the IndieWeb February 10 – 17, 2017 (audio edition!) by Jeremy Cherfas" by Jeremy Cherfas on 2017-02-21 http://boffosocko.com/2017/02/20/this-week-in-the-indieweb-february-10-17-2017/#comment-33905
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sknebel
main channel also: all that repost talk made me think/ask about the purpose more, and the distinction to bookmarks was "missing" in the wiki. any comments? https://indieweb.org/repost#Bookmark_vs_Repost
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sknebel
aaronpk: do you ever post bookmarks to your homepage-feed, as a recommendation for others?
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aaronpk
no, i hadn't really considered doing that
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Homebrew Website Club PDX" on 2017-02-21 http://calagator.org/events/1250471498
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Loqi
Homebrew Website Club PDX on Wednesday, Mar 1, 5:30pm at DreamHost
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[cleverdevil]
I am considering flying up to PDX for that HWC at DreamHost...
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aaronpk
oh awesome!
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aaronpk
i'm excited Manton will be in town
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miklb
that should be great aaronpk
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miklb
aaronpk do you know what they are using for that calagator site?
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miklb
oh, duh. never mind :-)
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aaronpk
calagator is also the name of the software
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aaronpk
it's a homegrown thing :)
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miklb
the footer link didn't point to the repo, but the code link in header did
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strugee
quick question: is it an mf2 spec violation to do <span class="h-card p-author">Jane Doe</span>?
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strugee
i.e. have those classes on something not an <a> tag?
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Zegnat
h- denotes a root element, and p- denotes the contents of an element, neither of those things require an A element
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aaronpk
The spec doesn't care what elements the lasers are on
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Zegnat
lasers?!
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aaronpk
classes not lasers lol
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aaronpk
the prefixes are used to indicate to the parser how to find the values
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aaronpk
so you'd never have a u- class on a <span> cause it just doesn't make sense.
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aaronpk
If you're unclear on what classes to use or what the result will be, try typing examples into http://pin13.net/mf2/ to make sure the parsed version looks like you are expecting
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strugee
aaronpk: thanks
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strugee
on my personal website I had this type of thing but with an <a> pointing back to my personal domain
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strugee
I'm doing some polishing work on my static site generator project (currently in beta) which generates IndieWeb markup out-of-the-box, but I don't know the domain name so couldn't do an <a>
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strugee
anyway
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aaronpk
Do double check the markup in one of the parsers
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aaronpk
you can also use relative urls like href="/"
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strugee
aaronpk: yeah, just double-checked on pin13.net
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strugee
though I should probably check the whole document
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strugee
I'll do that now
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strugee
it works! \o/
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Salt
Just got my LibrePlanet flight details! Anyone know if there will be an IndieWeb BoaF?
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aaronpk
you should organize one!
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Loqi
totally
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Salt
I'll think about it, for now back to finishing the work that is needed to start on the talk I'm supposed to give >_>
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GWG
Afternoon
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Loqi
[chrisaldrich]: jeremycherfas left you a message 7 hours, 59 minutes ago: In view of the recent discussions here about reposting entire content, as opposed to snippets for a quote, do you think the same considerations should apply to audio content? As it happens, I have no sponsors, but if I did, and if a lot of people started listening to my podcasts from your site, I wouldn’t register those listeners as psrt of my audience, and my sponsors might not like that. Jst as an example
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GWG
Chrisaldrich, saw your issue
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GWG
I am working on that as part of the work I have been doing. Not sure if it will come in in the first revision.
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[chrisaldrich]
I've been trying to come up with potential "meaty" additions for you. Particularly one's which I think could help motivate uptake by making things that are sometimes more difficult or time consuming without some automation. ?
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GWG
I have done a lot of the groundwork, but I need to make the functions more generic so I can add without duplication.
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GWG
Chrisaldrich, I am also pulling back syndication links from URLs
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GWG
I was wondering about the utility of that in display.
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GWG
I had this vague idea of displaying them to show the interconnectedness, but right now that isn't needed.
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GWG
I like the idea of showing that I am replying to a post that is POSSEd. But things are cluttered as they are