#indieweb 2017-02-22

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@twoodwar
POSSE explained more deeply https://indieweb.org/POSSE #kaulive
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Loqi
jeremycherfas: [chrisaldrich] left you a message 9 hours, 28 minutes ago: I take your point and give a somewhat longer response on audio reposts here if you haven't already seen it: http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/jeremy-this-seemed-a-little-long-for-loqi-to-handle
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Loqi
rise and shine!
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@t
@junglecode 😂 hilarious. May I upload that “Haitian Creole” screenshot to @IndieWebCamp wiki as public domain / CC0? (ttk.me t4mz1)
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dietricha
hi all! anyone tried https://github.com/notenoughneon/skein ?
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dietricha
or have recommendations for an indieweb static site tool?
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cweiske
this depends on what you expect from it
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petermolnar
dietricha static site vs indieweb is a known, somewhat problematic area, see http://indieweb.org/2016/Brighton/goingstatic
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petermolnar
I'm not familar with skein but it seems like a node server which, intead of dynamic output, generates static entries for things you throw at it
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cweiske
I made my own static site generator, but have dynamic tools to complement it
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cweiske
e.g. to send and receive linkbacks, and to search, and to publish updates
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cweiske
s/publish/notify about/
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petermolnar
I did the same
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cweiske
dietricha, so you can use any static site generator as long as microformats are added to the generated HTML
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cweiske
but the rest needs dynamic parts
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dietricha
ok, thanks. i guess i was wondering about where that line was. and really, what of the dynamic parts can be in front-end vs back.
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dietricha
i'll read through those notes
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dietricha
thanks y'all!
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cweiske
indieweb is not all-or-nothing, it can be anything in between
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cweiske
and simply having a static blog with microformats is the first step, which is fine on its own
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cweiske
what is static?
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Loqi
A static site is a website that is served by a web server directly from the file system https://indieweb.org/static
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petermolnar
to be honest, I would consider making a site mf2 friendly should be the next step after having a domain and a running site
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petermolnar
not the rel=me things
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sknebel
What is skein?
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Loqi
Skein is a Node.js static site generator developed by https://twitter.com/notenoughneon/profile_imageEmma Kuo and running on http://notenoughneon.com since July 2015 https://indieweb.org/Skein
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@malcolmblaney
@henaredegan in the same spirit, have you checked out http://indieweb.org
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sknebel
does anyone by chance know if there is a way to get details about the TLS connection on a page (or a JS-triggered fetch) from javascript?
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sknebel
answering myself: no, there isn't
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Zegnat
There might be if you are running with elevated privileges on Firefox, e.g. as an extension: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/XMLHttpRequest/How_to_check_the_secruity_state_of_an_XMLHTTPRequest_over_SSL
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Zegnat
sknebel, any plans for HWC tonight?
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sknebel
Zegnat: we'll see. last HWC was purely discussion, might be the case tonight as well. Have a bunch of new ideas, but realistically I should fix existing stuff first :P
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sknebel
well, one idea is micropub debugging tool, that might be valuable for doing that
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Zegnat
I am finally going to HWC with a plan again. I want to implement private posts. Might update my webmention endpoint to also be able to receive private mentions.
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sknebel
yeah, that's one of the half-finished things ;)
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sknebel
I can receive them, but don't have working private posts yet
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sknebel
so I can't send them usefully
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sknebel
I asked the TLS question since I discovered that caddy has a feature to detect clients behind intercepting proxies, thought about adding that to my page (like, show a banner "your HTTPS looks wonky, you know that?") and thought about improving it with page JS
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sknebel
detecting lack of HPKP headers would work
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Zegnat
My private posts will be private by ways of URL only at first. So no "sending" for me yet either. But I treat my Webmention Endpoint and my blog as two completely separate entities. They aren't even running on the same server.
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sknebel
that's why I can receive but not send as well ;)
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sknebel
(well, it is the same server, but nothing in the system requires that)
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petermolnar
Zegnat how is the bloggercode en/decoder coming together? :P
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Zegnat
From Thursday onwards I have been in and around the Amsterdam area playing tour guide. So not very well :p
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Zegnat
Do you suddenly have a dire need for it, petermolnar? ;)
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petermolnar
well, with all the retrofuturistic hits on tumblr/kickstarter there might soon be a need for that :D
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Zegnat
I'll make it my side project and work on it on the train to HWC ;)
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aaronpk
interesting
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aaronpk
we had originally made the rel=me things as the next step before microformats because it's easier to do, requires fewer changes to the site, etc
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dgold
aaronpk: just wanted to thank you again for pointing me at SequelPro - been a lifesaver the past few days
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aaronpk
oh good :)
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tantek_
greetings from Berlin
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Loqi
tantek_: gRegorLove left you a message 1 day, 20 hours ago: I forget, is that your friend who joined us /events/2016-08-10-homebrew-website-club
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tantek_
!tell gRegorLove yes that’s the same Katie as /events/2016-08-10-homebrew-website-club
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek_
I'm ~2mi from the HWC Berlin meetup spot
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tantek_
and did not bring an umbrella :/
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Indieweb Adventures" by dgold@ascraeus.org (Daniel Goldsmith) on 2017-02-21 https://ascraeus.org/indieweb-adventures
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Zegnat
and sebsel are at HWC The Netherlands, started off with some discussion
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tantek_
anyone here from HWC Berlin?
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sknebel
Tantek: i'm in my way
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sknebel
Ah... On my way
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sknebel
(Wrong autocorrect language )
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sknebel
But will need another 30 min or so
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tantek_
sknebel, I'm ~3km away and was going to walk
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tantek_
hmm, maps.me says ~48 minutes
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tantek_
a-ha I borrowed an umbrella! now I'm ready for adventure
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tantek_
I should post an RSVP first though :)
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Loqi
it is probable
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Repost of Indieweb Adventures" by Daniel Goldsmith on 2017-02-22 https://hylozoist.ascraeus.org/2017/repost-of-indieweb-adventures-e576d190a6
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Comment on 🎧 This Week in the IndieWeb February 10 – 17, 2017 (audio edition!) by Scott Kingery" by Scott Kingery on 2017-02-21 http://boffosocko.com/2017/02/20/this-week-in-the-indieweb-february-10-17-2017/#comment-33910
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Comment on Buzzfeed implements the IndieWeb concept of backfeed to limit filter bubbles by Grant Lease" by Grant Lease on 2017-02-22 http://boffosocko.com/2017/02/20/buzzfeed-implements-a-form-of-the-indieweb-concept-of-backfeed-to-limit-filter-bubbles/#comment-33917
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tantek_
ETA 1 hr HWC Berln
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tantek_
*Berlin
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sknebel
Great, see you then :)
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j12t
Question: is there a meeting in San Francisco tonight? https://indieweb.org/events/2017-02-22-homebrew-website-club is a little unclear about that.
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aaronpk
it looks like KevinMarks_ posted an event on his site for tonight
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Loqi
Homebrew Website Club San Francisco 2017-02-22
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aaronpk
KevinMarks_: maybe update the wiki page?
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KevinMarks_
Oh, did I only update the bottom bit.
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dgold
could be worth a look - https://upspin.io/
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Loqi
[indieweb] "👓 Encouraging individual sovereignty and a healthy commons by Aral Balkan" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-02-22 http://boffosocko.com/2017/02/22/%f0%9f%91%93-encouraging-individual-sovereignty-and-a-healthy-commons-by-aral-balkan/
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@ChrisAldrich
This is a whole new tragedy of the commons: people don't know where the commons actually are anymore. #indieweb http://boffosocko.com/2017/02/22/%f0%9f%91%93-encouraging-individual-sovereignty-and-a-healthy-commons-by-aral-balkan/
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@benwerd
Homebrew Website Club SF is at Matter tonight. 6:30pm; optional writing hour at 5:30pm. Come join us! https://www.facebook.com/events/171653883330781/ #indieweb
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Homebrew Website Club SF is at Matter tonight. 6:30pm; optional writing hour at 5:30pm. Come join us! https://www.facebook.com/events/171653883330781/ #indieweb" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-02-22 http://werd.io/2017/homebrew-website-club-sf-is-at-matter-tonight-630pm-optional
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gRegorLove
Howdy, indieweb
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Loqi
gRegorLove: tantek_ left you a message 2 hours, 45 minutes ago: yes that’s the same Katie as /events/2016-08-10-homebrew-website-club
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benwerd
good morning, indieweb
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Loqi
benwerd: tantek left you a message on 2017-01-18 at 7:35pm UTC: you show # of reposts (or a facepile or some other display) of your posts on your posts right? Add yourself, site, and implementation here: https://indieweb.org/reposts#IndieWeb_Examples
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Loqi
benwerd: tantek left you a message on 2017-01-25 at 12:49am UTC: Is there a Known plugin to automatically auto-internet-archive the links in your posts? e.g. as documented here: https://indieweb.org/archive.org#Trigger_an_Archive
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Loqi
benwerd: tantek left you a message 1 week, 5 days ago: could you upload HWC SF photo to wiki or txt me and I can do it? Thanks! :) https://indieweb.org/events/2017-02-08-homebrew-website-club#Photos
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Loqi
benwerd: tantek left you a message 6 days, 22 hours ago: HWC SF next week? Are you able to host? https://indieweb.org/events/2017-02-22-homebrew-website-club#Where
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benwerd
eep. been a while. to confirm, SF Homebrew is at Matter tonight: 421 Bryant St (at the corner with 2nd St).
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benwerd
Quiet writing hour at 5:30, event proper at 6:30.
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Virtual Homebrew Website Club Meetup | February 22, 2017" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-02-22 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/virtual-homebrew-website-club-meetup-february-22-2017
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tantek_
tap tap tap
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tantek_
reload
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@thomasfuchs
1997: Let’s make a website! *fires up vi* 2007: Let’s make a website! *downloads jQuery* *fires up vi* 2017: Let’s make a website! 😵 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5SsSbCVYAAxx40.jpg
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tantek_
lol that photo
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tantek_
in positive / interesting silo news, /Instagram added support for multiphoto posts!
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tantek_
what is a multiphoto?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "multiphoto" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10aq
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aaronpk
whoa they did?!
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Loqi
[Mike Krieger] Today we're launching the ability to post multiple photos and videos in one Instagram feed post! Here's a tour of Instagram HQ, where we moved in last year, including the Blue Bottle Coffee on our first floor. Looking forward to seeing what everyone ... https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s1080x1080/e35/16585414_390771237973093_6186516363977162752_n.jpg
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aaronpk
checks for an app update
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tantek_
multiphoto is /multi-photo
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aaronpk
oh boy i'm gonna have to update ownyourgram
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tantek_
yeah! and major Bridgy feature requesting too!
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aaronpk
i'm not a huge fan of their presentation on the website. i could barely tell that was a multiphoto
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tantek_
app is more obv
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aaronpk
i can't figure out how to add more photos in the app lol
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aaronpk
interesting that they went for a swipe interface rather than twitter's which shows all the photos at once
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tantek_
the web UI is similar to Twitter's, with the next/prev arrows
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aaronpk
twitter shows a tiled layout of all the photos
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tantek_
until you click one
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gRegorLove
I only see one photo on that instagram link above?
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tantek_
ooh I shoul take/post a HWC Berlin photo!
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aaronpk
gRegorLove: that's what i thought too! there's a little arrow at the right of the photo
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aaronpk
tantek_: yeah i'm going to say that instagram and twitter have drastically different presentation styles
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aaronpk
"until you click" is a pretty big difference
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gRegorLove
And the classic dots at the bottom to indicate where you are in the carousel
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tantek_
looks like Bridgy Publish already supports multi-photo to Twitter!
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aaronpk
yep i've been using that
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aaronpk
same with silo.pub
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tantek_
hmm nothing abou Flickr
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aaronpk
so instagram's posts can now contain a single photo and a video
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tantek_
or multiple of each!
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aaronpk
which clashes with my use of photo+video where the photo is a thumbnail of the video
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tantek_
I thought we had a different property for that
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aaronpk
do we?
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tantek_
what is a poster?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "poster" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10ar
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aaronpk
https://indieweb.org/video shows u-photo for the poster
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tantek_
no u-featured
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tantek_
u-featured for the poster
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aaronpk
"Alternatively (with poster frame and fallback img tag)" ... camcorder.png" class="u-photo"
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tantek_
u-photo for the *fallback*
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aaronpk
same problem
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aaronpk
a consumer can't distinguish that from a post that should show both the video and photo
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tantek_
have you been publishing fallbacks?
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aaronpk
all my videos
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tantek_
huh - for some reason I am not
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tantek_
were we wrong to use u-photo as a fallback?
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aaronpk
i'm not sure
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aaronpk
previously, there weren't any examples of a post containing both a video and a photo
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aaronpk
twitter's multi-photo posts were limited to photos only
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tantek_
and only 4
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aaronpk
(wat... the instagram UI changed between app launches. this "select multiple" button was not here until i relaunched the app, even though i updated it already)
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tantek_
yeah UI from embedded web view ;)
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tantek_
totally want to post tonight's HWC Berlin photo as a multi-photo
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aaronpk
"turn off commenting"!
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aaronpk
did not know you could d othat
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tantek_
yes that's been there for a while
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tantek_
what is turn off commenting?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "turn off commenting" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10as
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aaronpk
so yeah i don't know what to do about this for my site
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aaronpk
i might have to start with something like "if there is one photo and one video, assume the photo is a fallback for the video, otherwise show it as a multi-post"
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tantek_
turn off commenting is a UI option for the entirety of a blog or per post that disables and removes any commenting UI, and possibly even disables receiving comments via protocols like [[Webmention]].
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@100daysindieweb
Day 64: Documentation and Fixes for my GPS Logger App #100DaysOfIndieWeb: https://aaronparecki.com/2017/02/22/7/day-64-gps-app
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Comment on Buzzfeed implements the IndieWeb concept of backfeed to limit filter bubbles by Alan & Kim Zimmerman" by Alan & Kim Zimmerman on 2017-02-21 http://boffosocko.com/2017/02/20/buzzfeed-implements-a-form-of-the-indieweb-concept-of-backfeed-to-limit-filter-bubbles/#comment-33907
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gRegorLove
Oops, double-booked myself a bit for tonight's HWC. I will have to duck out a little early.
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gRegorLove
Salt: Did you reach out to Bellingham Linux User Group about IWC?
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Comment on 👓 Encouraging individual sovereignty and a healthy commons by Aral Balkan by wavis" by wavis on 2017-02-22 http://boffosocko.com/2017/02/22/%f0%9f%91%93-encouraging-individual-sovereignty-and-a-healthy-commons-by-aral-balkan/#comment-33921
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Comment on 👓 Encouraging individual sovereignty and a healthy commons by Aral Balkan by Amanda J. Rush" by Amanda J. Rush on 2017-02-22 http://boffosocko.com/2017/02/22/%f0%9f%91%93-encouraging-individual-sovereignty-and-a-healthy-commons-by-aral-balkan/#comment-33922
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tantek_
trying web IRC UI again
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tantek_
now let's see if I can make some minimal cassis auto_link (embed) changes to add /multi-photo support to my site and try a IG multi-photo PESOS indie multi-photo POSSE post
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tantek_
hmm, I can't chat on #indieweb-dev from here
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aaronpk
Correct. Been making slow progress on that
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tantek_
sknebel, Web Sign-in is for the entire UX of using your website to sign into another website. Relmeauth is a plumbing/protocol(s) that works to make that happen under the covers. IndieAuth is another protocol for doing so. IndieAuth.com implements both IndieAuth and RelMeAuth. hope that helps a little!
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tantek_
my IRCCloud setup failed so I'm waiting on some support tickets and such
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tantek_
aaronpk, re: naming, I'd say give the protocol priority over the service
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tantek_
aaronpk, re: naming, I'd say give the protocol priority over the service
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KartikPrabhu
indieauth sounds like a good name for the protocol
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aaronpk
I'd really like to rename indieauth.com to something else but that domain is in too many places now
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tantek_
it can redirect though right?
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aaronpk
I can redirect GETs, but I have to still handle POSTs to indieauth.com
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aaronpk
so, effectively yes
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KartikPrabhu
POSTS can't be redirected?
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aaronpk
not really
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KartikPrabhu
hmm I guess that is a good thing
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aaronpk
there's an http code 303 I think? But it requires the client understand that
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sknebel
aaronpk: ok, that's what I thought, but /IndieAuth on the wiki really isn't clear on it.
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aaronpk
its more a retry at this URL rather than a redirect
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sknebel
(the protocol being called IndieAuth)
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aaronpk
Ah maybe yeah
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aaronpk
either way I can't rely on clients supporting that
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Zegnat
Agreed
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tantek_
aaronpk, why not see if it can work, and then see how hard it is for clients to be updated?
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tantek_
since IndieAuth is still a spec in "incubation", I think it's good to keep iterating on it to solve issues like "moving a domain"
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aaronpk
I don't really need to. I can effectively rename the service by redirecting the home page, docs, and the authorization URL which are all the things people see in their browser, and then still handle everything else at the old URL
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tantek_
sure, that's "workable" but would be better if future services could arbitrarily move
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tantek_
e.g. from a domain to a subdomain
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aaronpk
there's actually an open issue on WebSub about this same thing
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tantek_
oh - for moving a hub?
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tantek_
makes sense!
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aaronpk
its an analogous situation
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tantek_
similar situ yes. indieauth is perhaps more security sensitive
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aaronpk
agreed
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tantek_
btw did you like our HWC Berlin hacker pic? esp me and sknebel: https://indieweb.org/events/2017-02-22-homebrew-website-club#Photos
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bear
put into the spec such that there is always a GET for status or somesuch
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aaronpk
lol yes very shady
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aaronpk
bear: status?
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bear
sorry - popping into the middle of the conversation
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bear
just saying that if a client is making indieauth calls for POST then maybe it can gather the endpoint items from a status call on error
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bear
POST fails; do check for metadata update; retry POST
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tantek_
as long as the "check for metadata update" is via redirectable GET
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bear
yea - that was a given (but assumed on my part)
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aaronpk
Yeah I just hate adding these steps for clients
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bear
you could force the client to restart the auth dance
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tantek_
indeed, every step you add for a client is one more step where a mistake could open a vuln
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aaronpk
this OAuth stuff is hard enough for people without all the redirections and metadata endpoints and every step I add is that much more confusing not to mention one more place a vulnerability can creep in
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bear
just invalidate all tokens
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bear
(yea, just trying to solve the issue regardless of how practical it is -- hoping that it spurs another idea that proves useful)
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tantek_
that's a reasonably iterative approach
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aaronpk
What's amazing is reading the OAuth security document and seeing all the places they've had to tighten things up after a couple years of deployment experience
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bear
aaronpk - what calls are POST; could they be forced to retry by invalidation?
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aaronpk
For indieauth.com, verifying ID Codes and authorization codes. Unless the user updates their HTML tag to point to the new domain the client won't know where to retry it
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bear
so it's also something for libs like mine to worry about
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Zegnat
Alright. I wrote about today’s development fail (https://licit.li/58ae0d5f76601), time for bed. aaronpk, I’ll keep an eye on the Micropub issue so if there is any follow-up I’ll be more swift with my response. Have a good night all!
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aaronpk
Zegnat++
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Loqi
zegnat has 33 karma in this channel (35 overall)
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bear
as I have as the validation endpoint the default value of 'https://indieauth.com/auth' :/
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tantek_
considers textual patterns for /multi-photo plain text authoring
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aaronpk
bear: if you're using it as handling signing like the wiki then that's fine.
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bear
sure, i'm just saying that if you change the base domain, i'll need to update my lib for a new default
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bear
(or should)
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aaronpk
Hm that reminds me, maybe moving it to a new domain would be a good opportunity to split apart the two different roles it plays. So I'd actually move it to two different domains
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aaronpk
Now I just need to find some names
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KartikPrabhu
heard "names"
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aaronpk
Names are hard
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KartikPrabhu
what are you trying to name?
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tantek_
hmm looks like I already implemented it, and tried it in a post 2015-352, but Bridgy didn't support multi-photo POSSE to Twitter until 2015-364, so theoretically all I should have to do is try a post and see what happens!
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aaronpk
I need a name for a service that abstracts RelMeAuth into a simple API for developers to use to sign people in without a password
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aaronpk
I also need a name for a service that implements an IndieAuth authorization endpoint that you can point your domain to if you don't want to build an authorization server
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KartikPrabhu
those are hard!
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KartikPrabhu
specially in "steam punk"
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aaronpk
Haha. I don't mind breaking the theme for these
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Loqi
awesome
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aaronpk
Tho the second one would make sense to fit the theme
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KartikPrabhu
for bear I just give him translations in japanese
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aaronpk
There's gotta be some cool name of a lock or something
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tantek_
wow 10 is a lot, especially compared to 4 on Twitter. why 10 I wonder.
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GWG
Afternoon
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tantek_
ponders how to decide how many photos to put in /multi-photo post
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tantek_
also I wonder if they all have to be the same shape
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tantek_
er, aspect ratio
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tantek_
considers 5 photos, just to put one more than what gets POSSEd to Twitter
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bear
lock: lok, lukan, loka, locen (all from entymology links)
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tantek_
considers different layout for /multi-photo post
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aaronpk
I limited my Multi photo posts to 4 as well
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aaronpk
considering what to do with more than 4 now, especially if one is a video
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KevinMarks
aaron's theme is steampunk tech though
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: how about Cypher?
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Loqi
[indieweb] "WordPress Conferences and Events | Best of 2017" by webcreate.me on 2017-02-23 http://www.webcreate.me/best-wordpress-conferences-events/
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tantek_
the "y" there is a modern twist
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KevinMarks
Phrenology
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KevinMarks
Phrenology
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GWG
KevinMarks: What about it? Did your head bumps change?
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tantek_
looks like IG mult-photos are required square
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tantek_
oh dear I just realized my Instagram Copy photo post bookmarklet likely needs updating
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tantek_
at a minimum to for multi-photo support
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tantek_
also no photo editing either in IG multi-photo posts (like rotation, trapezoid effects)
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tantek_
no person-tags either!
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tantek_
alright I'm going to just take notes on what needs to be improved in the bookmarklet rather than trying to fix it for this post
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[chrisaldrich]
こんばんは Indieweb!
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GWG
Hello, [chrisaldrich]
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tantek_
Guten abend!
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[chrisaldrich]
Hi GWG, Tantek. I've been working on maybe doing some Japanese posts, the problem is my vocabulary is very limited.
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tantek_
very cool chrisaldrich! multi-lingual posts?
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mblaney
aaronpk you could call your authorization endpoint signet?
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[chrisaldrich]
With the excitement for the new Instagram multi-photo posts at hand, did anyone ever figure out a way to POSSE/PESOS their "Your story" posts? Or were those so ephemeral they weren't bothering with?
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tantek_
sounds like Cignet - healthcare provider?
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tantek_
what is a story?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "story" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10av
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tantek_
chrisaldrich looks like we need a definition of exactly what such posts are, perhaps with Silo Examples of Instagram and Snapchat
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[chrisaldrich]
I suppose I know enough Spanish I could make a shot at that first, but I'm glad that I've figured out how to do hiragana and some katakana with my English language keyboard.
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tantek_
now manually person-tagging with URL, name, Twitter handle
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tantek_
since I have no cache / way to lookup anyone's FB IDs!
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tantek_
or Flickr for that matter
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tantek_
has no way of testing his site "locally" on his freshly setup laptop
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tantek_
looks good, now to check the markup
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tantek_
multi u-photo markup parses correctly with pin13
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tantek_
now to try Bridgy Publish to see what happens
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Homebrew Website Club #Berlin is growing and has found a great spot: wifi, power, drinks, small bites, non-smoking(!), and a casual hipster vibe perfect for plotting #indieweb plans. #multiphoto #nofilter #indiewebcamp #hwc #hwcberlin #homebrewwebsiteclub #hoodie #hoodies #hipster #vibe #salon" on 2017-02-23 http://tantek.com/2017/053/t6/homebrew-website-club-berlin-growing
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tantek_
it worked! first multi-photo POSSE - thanks Bridgy
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tantek_
bridgy++
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Loqi
bridgy has 48 karma in this channel (54 overall)
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@t
Homebrew Website Club #Berlin is growing and has found a great spot: wifi, power, drinks, small bites… http://tantek.com/2017/053/t6/homebrew-website-club-berlin-growing https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5UDIlZUMAI3TDB.jpg
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tantek_
I have a feeling I'm going to start making heavy use of multi-photo posts
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[chrisaldrich]
they sure brighten up the slack channel
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tantek_
wait seriously? they all showed up inline?!?
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tantek_
(or rather, how many?0
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tantek_
chrisaldrich did you see photos from my permalink or the Twitter URL?
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tantek_
(or both?)
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tantek_
what is turn off commenting
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Loqi
turn off commenting is a UI option for the entirety of a blog or per post that disables and removes any commenting UI, and possibly even disables receiving comments via protocols like Webmention https://indieweb.org/turn_off_commenting
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benwerd
hanging out at Homebrew Website Club
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@DreamHost
DreamHost is a proud sponsor of @indiewebcamp meetups! Right out of our #PDX office, no less! #webdesign #blogging https://twitter.com/DreamHost/status/834583641942523904/photo/1
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@priya_somani_
DreamHost is a proud sponsor of indiewebcamp meetups! Right out of our #PDX office, no less! #webdesign #blogging https://twitter.com/DreamHost/status/834583641942523904/photo/1
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tantek_
waves to benwerd acoss way too many timezones
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tantek_
is not really bothering to adapt to jet lag since he's flying back in ~36 hours
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tantek_
benwerd, the past few days have had some folks here finding challenges with making likes vs reposts work in Known, e.g. using kylewm's plugin
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tantek_
perhaps you could take a look? check recent IRC logs (search) for it
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[chrisaldrich]
tantek_ benwerd, I think it was dgold primarily, and I think he ultimately got sorted, but it required using 0.9.1 rather than 0.9.2 or the current version from the repo. I never heard what the ultimate problem ended up being, though I imagine he could let us know to make sure the potential problem doesn't happen again. jeremycherfas may have had a similar issue, but I'm not sure if he got sorted out yet.
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tantek_
right, something broke in most recent update
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[katiejohnsonsf]
The Homebrew Website Club of subdued excitement (aka Bellingham) https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-F497GE10S/image_uploaded_from_ios.jpg?pub_secret=71235da29d&name=Image uploaded from iOS.jpg 5th time's the charm!
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tantek_
hi katiejohnsonsf and gRegorLove!!
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: I think it's time to change my site - I have werd.io on known, but I have http://benwerd.com that I can do static
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KartikPrabhu
wow! gRegorlove updated to 3 people from the 2 in Chicago! :)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: UBOS is my linux distribution - now you can set up known as a TOR hidden service
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: I found that this means you can access it from behind your home firewall wihtout fiddling
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: also, if you put a tor service it on raspberry pi, the address mapping works wherever you plug it in
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @rabble: is this like sandstorm.io?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: it's more like a shared hosting environment than a container model like sandstorm
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: but yu can run it in containers as well as on raspberry pis and servers
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: I ended u using both Sphinx and Jekyll as one is good for docs and one for blogs
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: I'm goign to give the Known demo as I haven't done it in 18 months
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@benwerd
I'm at Homebrew Website Club! #indieweb
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: this is my website werd.io - you can see it is grabbing my instagram pics via http://ownyourgram.com
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Loqi
[indieweb] "I'm at Homebrew Website Club! #indieweb" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-02-23 http://werd.io/2017/im-at-homebrew-website-club-indieweb
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: I can post to my site and syndicate out to all these social networks
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: here's @aaronpk in portland having a craft cocktail and reply with my bookmarklet
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: and it will show up on my site and also on his site
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: I want a personal homepage that is not just a stream of content
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: so I'm thinking about static homepages as well as conversational ui
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @_MattHolland: why do you want something other than your feed?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: for people who don'tk now me so I can have an introduction and more context
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: you don't just want to replicate twitter - you want to have a bit more than that
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: I have http://www.kevinmarks.com/ which is static, and http://known.kevinmarks.com for the dynamic updates
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: I liked @aaronpk's pinned post per tag as a way of providing context
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: we had this idea that we wanted everyone to own their own content, but they don't always want this
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @ejeating: I celebrated when my parents joined facebook because it would keep me out of trouble
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @ejeating: I have accounts on every platform everyone uses in SF, but I don't use them
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @ejeating: everything now posts to twitter anyway, and that is the global connection
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: I defeinitley have very different conversations on facebook and twitter as they are different networks
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: even if I post things on known and they go to twitter and facebook I get different conversations in response
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @ejeating: I've been thinking about identity from the other direction - what's the point of owning your own data?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @ejeating: I've been thinking about attribution and identity and tracking consistency across platforms
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @ejeating: the post that is made up by someone on reddit that refers to the fake news on breitbart and it is accurate-ish
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@sdepolo
If there's time I'll share my story of this session tonight at #indieWeb #sanFrancisco. It was awesome! https://twitter.com/sdepolo/status/832383709709955072
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: if you track where these things come from do they all come from the same places?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: fake news comes from the indieweb - everyone making fake news starts on their own website
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[scottgruber]
Hello world. I'm working quietly here. Setting up a new content type for my books with a collection of my highlight notes from non-DRM ePubs exported from Marvin eBook reader. What do people use to read ePub?
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@benwerd
Homebrew Website Club: February 22. #indieweb @ Matter. https://www.instagram.com/p/BQ1qlJmludd/
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: the indieweb, unlike other places for sharing have a bit more trackability
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: places like 4chan and other meme factories have full anonymity and focus on the meme itself, not credit for it
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: there are a lot of open collaboration projects where people are trying to do for fake news what they do for spam
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Homebrew Website Club: February 22. #indieweb" by Ben Werdmüller on 2017-02-23 http://werd.io/2017/homebrew-website-club-february-22-indieweb
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scottgruber
Checking out https://indieweb.org/goodreads
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @sdepolo: Could we have a cross-silo way of expressing what is fake so we can track it between sites
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Comment on 👓 Encouraging individual sovereignty and a healthy commons by Aral Balkan by This is a whole new tragedy of the commons: people don't know where the commons actually are anymore. #indieweb boffosocko.com/2017/02/22/…" by This is a whole new tragedy of the commons: people don't know where the commons actually are anymore. #indieweb boffosocko.com/2017/02/22/… on 2017-02-23 http://boffosocko.com/2017/02/22/%f0%9f%91%93-encouraging-individual-sovereignty-and-a-healthy-commons-by-aral-balkan/#comment-33926
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: this year someone will make unified content subscription work
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @sdepolo: are people looking for things they agree with?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @ejeating: yes - all my friends are looking for media they agree with
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @ejeating: we need close reading to tell real news from fake news from satire
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @erinjo: @benwerd most of the fake news I read comes from you
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: one of the most fascinating things was the Mitrokhin archive where someone wrote the KGB archive down every day
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: it is a history of soviet intelligence operations from WW II to the 1980s
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: as a kid in Germany, I can remember things that mapped exactly to these KGB operations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitrokhin_Archive
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @erinjo: one of the studies I read recently was getting High School students to decide if sources were credible
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @erinjo: they could no longer distinguish legitimate from illegitimate sources - the theory was they had grown up with the net
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: someone I dined with last night said that American Schools don't teach source evaluation
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @ejeating: we never had a class on how to evaluate a source, but it was part of my high school and college curriculum
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @ejeating: the amazing thing about the internet is that it is everything - no-one cares whether it is MIT or oxford or my brain
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@benwerd
Appropriately enough, Homebrew Website Club at @mattervc is a discussion about fake ne ws and sources. You should come next time. #indieweb
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @ejeating: if we have some stable means of establishing identity we can compare your history of what you say
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@benwerd
Appropriately enough, Homebrew Website Club at @mattervc is a discussion about fake news and sources. You should come next time. #indieweb
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: evaluating the background of the source is no longer reliable - I compare it with other things
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: If anyone knows any startups that are trying to solve fake news and authority, send them my way
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[chrisaldrich]
scottgruber, I use Spritz or spritz-like apps for reading epub, especially on smaller screens.
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Comment on 🎧 This Week in the IndieWeb February 10 – 17, 2017 (audio edition!) by Marty McGuire" by Marty McGuire on 2017-02-20 http://boffosocko.com/2017/02/20/this-week-in-the-indieweb-february-10-17-2017/#comment-33927
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[scottgruber]
chrisaldrich. Interesting. I just did a quick look at Spritz. I haven't thought of those kind of readers in a while. I think the style is called Karaoke reader with one word flashing at a time. I tried but couldn't get the hang of it. I see its an option in Marvin. Maybe I'll try it again.
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[chrisaldrich]
Most of them are based on psychology studies from the 70s called Rapid Serial Visual Presentation. Spritz claims they patented the concept and have threatened litigation to clear the field. It's good for newspaper/magazine articles and fiction but is horrid for reading technical material
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[acegiak_net]
There's a bug with my chatbot moodlogging plugin that responds based on the mood I enter, but at the moment it defaults to positive every time, so when I post that I am feeling despair over this trans rights in schools stuff he responds "that's nice!" Which at least made me laugh.
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[acegiak_net]
Chatbot is actually a pretty nice interface for this stuff
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[chrisaldrich]
Ashton, I thought about some of your mood tracking as I was reading about aaronpk's emoji site search as part of his 100daysofindieweb the other day. You might find it interesting if you haven't seen it yet.
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] Day 62: Indexing Emoji Use in my Website #100DaysOfIndieWeb
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[chrisaldrich]
scottgruber, there's a lot of good stuff under /read and I've got a bunch of sample posts on my site recently from exporting data from my Kindle into book reviews. Need to get back to doing more of that soon.
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Comment on Buzzfeed implements the IndieWeb concept of backfeed to limit filter bubbles by Martha Villa" by Martha Villa on 2017-02-21 http://boffosocko.com/2017/02/20/buzzfeed-implements-a-form-of-the-indieweb-concept-of-backfeed-to-limit-filter-bubbles/#comment-33904
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Comment on Buzzfeed implements the IndieWeb concept of backfeed to limit filter bubbles by Michael Kirk" by Michael Kirk on 2017-02-21 http://boffosocko.com/2017/02/20/buzzfeed-implements-a-form-of-the-indieweb-concept-of-backfeed-to-limit-filter-bubbles/#comment-33902
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Comment on Buzzfeed implements the IndieWeb concept of backfeed to limit filter bubbles by Ryan Barrett" by Ryan Barrett on 2017-02-21 http://boffosocko.com/2017/02/20/buzzfeed-implements-a-form-of-the-indieweb-concept-of-backfeed-to-limit-filter-bubbles/#comment-33903
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[scottgruber]
About to finish up here. I got the book and notes page related and exported first set of notes. Next up is an import script. But need to shut down for a bit this evening. Thx everyone. Good night!
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Comment on The IndieWeb and Journalism by Daniel Goldsmith" by Daniel Goldsmith on 2017-02-21 http://boffosocko.com/2017/01/13/the-indieweb-and-journalism/#comment-33908
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