#indieweb 2017-03-08

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jeremycherfas
Zegnat: Re: https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-03-07/1488912033087000 Do you think Flattr will ever recover? Are you aware of any other similar options.
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Loqi
[Zegnat] I was discussing Flattr with sebsel last we met, I wanted to show him some micropayment stuff. But their current website is such a landing-page-buzz-word-sign-up-please mess that I couldn’t really show anything :(...
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Zegnat
jeremycherfas, from what I read about them they seem to be going for the Brave business model. And I personally am not a fan of that. I think they will have a hard time turning it around back to a way to pay independents.
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Zegnat
That might just be missreading though, I don't think their current website is any good
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Zegnat
What is Brave?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Brave" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10cF
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jeremycherfas
I have not been following Brave, but it does seem like madness to expect readers to accept that companies will have paid for whitelisting.
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Zegnat
Brave is a web browser that by default blocks advertisement and allows the user to pay publishers
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Zegnat
Someone should do a better job of defining Brave… KevinMarks, didn’t you sign up?
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jeremycherfas
And I guess they are still going to have to track you to decide which ads to show you.
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Zegnat
Well, not necessarily, jeremycherfas. E.g. https://better.fyi/sites/decknetwork.net/
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jeremycherfas
There are exceptions to every rule. :)
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dgold
"Sites and apps are added to the network by invitation only and are considered based on many factors including traffic, design, frequency of updates and overall appropriateness to the general target of the network."
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dgold
so... hipster advertising for selected boys' club sites...
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Zegnat
dgold, you mean better.fyi? It is an ind.ie project, and I think we have spoken enough about them.
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jeremycherfas
All the cool kids use Deck ads.
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dgold
Zegnat: no - not ind.ie - the Deck
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Zegnat
Still, it might be a better way to whitelist ad platforms then letting platforms pay to be on a whitelist
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dgold
that bloke with the site with the apalling typography, can't remember his name - he's a big fan of the Deck
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dgold
gruber
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Zegnat
Aah, well, that was the point of the Deck. They do not track, but to sell advertisements you have to be able to guarantee some sort of audience. The Deck just does this by carefully selecting the sites they show up on
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jeremycherfas
You mean DF?
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dgold
Zegnat: 'carefully selecting' in tech-terms usually means one particular thing - but that's political
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dgold
jeremycherfas: yes.
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jeremycherfas
Going back to Flattr, given that they did have a business model that a lot of people thought worked well, I wonder what it would take to recreate.
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Zegnat
I have never seen the numbers so I am no sure the business model "worked well". If they had to cut the team when VC money ran short, the business model might not have been self sufficient enough
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voxpelli
jeremycherfas: if one could make it work across silos, then that would make it a lot easier to get critical mass
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dgold
has there been some development wrt flattr?
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jeremycherfas
Dgold: we were talking about it yesterday is all.
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voxpelli
jeremycherfas: eg. https://interledger.org/ looks very interesting – something like a "distributed monetary web" which would complement the social web well
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jeremycherfas
Zegnat: I’m not saying it made moeny for the investors, but the basic premise of what it was trying to do seemed to make sense to many people.
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jeremycherfas
For me, two things made sense. A single payment via credit card or paypal, with reduced overheads for me. And the ability to Flattr people and things that weren’t signed up, creating an incentive for them to join the network.
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jeremycherfas
Interledger is a mechanism that I cannot fully understand.
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dgold
Zegnat: about the Licences thing - are there any of the indieweb repos which would contain Original Work which _could_ be patentable?
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Zegnat
I am not sure dgold. But I don't think so. Most are implementations of microformats or indieweb specifications.
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Zegnat
voxpelli, Flattr is going the browser extension route now, so it seems. Implies to me they could go "across silos"? jeremycherfas, I expect it is hard to run a micro transaction business without making enough money to keep a dedicated team on hand. My comment was not in regards to investors, purely regarding the business itself.
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jeremycherfas
Just got accepted to Blendle and it looks very interesting.
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Zegnat
dgold, if none of the developers have currently registered any patents on any of the indieweb projects, and they release it to the public domain, can they go back and still file for a patent even though they no longer have any rights over the implementation? Because if they can't this problem fixes itself by basically make the implementations unpat
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Zegnat
entable.
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sebsel
jeremycherfas, what is 'accepted to Blendle'? It's not closed, is it? Or do you mean as publisher?
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dgold
Zegnat: depending on jurisdiction - software patents are a hideous mess
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jeremycherfas
It is in beta, and I have been granted access to the beta and a $2.50 sign-up gift.
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dgold
Zegnat: plus, as noted on the github issue: CC0 does _not_ release patent rights, at all. its one of the 'features' of CC0
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sknebel
Flattr teamed up with the makers of Adblock plus - integration in there would still mean quite a lot of reach. Also means that they are partnered with someone many ad-supported pages hate
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jeremycherfas
Interesting. Just skimming through the Financial Times and not everything is available. May be a rights issue, rather like the exrtremely brilliant Guardian Today site by Phil Gifford
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sebsel
jeremycherfas oh, the Dutch version is already a few years old, and friends of me are trying to get in as a publisher, hence the confusion :)
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jeremycherfas
I can imagine! So far, I am very impressed with how the website works.
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Zegnat
dgold, the way I understood it, the "fallback" licence in CC0 does not release it. But the public domain dedication surely does? Or did I misread that?
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Zegnat
sknebel, I am not sure how far the teaming up goes. It's not like Flattr will land within AB+ (which definitely would have meant reach), they make a separate extension. As I understood it.
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Zegnat
is using IRC intermittedly today, replying in bulk whenever he has time to open the client
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sknebel
Zegnat: ok, didn't look into it in detail, sometime last year there was speculation they'd integrate it
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dgold
Zegnat: you're misreading.
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dgold
Title 1: Copyright & Related Rights. Title 2: Waiver. Title 3: Fallback. Title 4: Retention of Rights
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Zegnat
Hmm, I will have to reread then, dgold. thanks for bringing that up. I still do think CC0 is the most accepted way for us to dedicate code to the PD though, with or without their patent clause.
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dgold
WEll, I happen to agree with that.
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dgold
I'm not sure that it will "suit" the originator of the queries.
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dgold
agrees, while simultansously thinking that CC0 isn't partiicularly well suited to code.
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petermolnar
re Flattr: it's Patreon which is kind of fulfilling what Flattr should have
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dgold
petermolnar: aye, but its a bit of a pain in the nether regions. I get different sums going out to my various patreons at different times
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jeremycherfas
I disagree Petermolnar. Patreon is good for people I want to support, but not for individual things, like a page on the web
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dgold
i'd prefer to fire in a $amount to patreon every month
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jeremycherfas
Dgold: and how would they divide it up?
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jeremycherfas
Or, to take another example, how would I reward you, financially, for creating a plugin I like, but not do it every month?
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dgold
by buying me a coffee?
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dgold
wasn't there a service to do that, aeons ago?
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petermolnar
paypal donations, but that involves paypal...
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dgold
no, I see your point.
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petermolnar
it's possible to do this with wechat
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Zegnat
I guess you could go full SQLite and have someone record every contributor’s public domain dedication, dgold, but that too sounds like a hassle ;)
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sknebel
yeah, some one-time-payment or flattr-like model really would add to patreons utility from a user perspective. (their fees are not irrelevant, but for microtransactions they work out ok) But I can also understand that patreon wants to concentrate on the "reliable" monthly/per result model
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dgold
i'd like a patreon where I could throw in my couple bucks a month, regularly, and if a Creator doesn't turn in something that month (if using that model) then the spare goes to all the little pepole
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dgold
but that doesn't help jeremy buy me a coffee
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sknebel
(afaik patreon takes 5% on top of all the payment provider fees, so for many small amounts it is more effective, for larger ones direct payment via stripe etc. would be cheaper)
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sknebel
hm, interesting as well
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Zegnat
dgold, interesting, you would rather spread your monthly patreon allotment out than save on the money when one of your patreonees didn’t produce? I think you might be in the minority there.
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Zegnat
I think Patreon built their audience on the Kickstarter-like promise that you are only paying someone when they actually did a thing. Until then your money doesn’t get touched.
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dgold
yeah, that's certainly how they sell it. but, e.g. there are things that I would _like_ to support occasionally, but not interested/valued enough to create a g'tee'd payment
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dgold
and some of my Creators are lazy lumps[^1]
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dgold
[^1]: with like day jobs and lives. Wastrels.
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sknebel
Zegnat: what is "did a thing"? they have the "pay per creation" model, but e.g. I support some webcomic artists. I really don't need the system tracking "ok, X published 20 comics this month (4x5 weekdays), so he gets less than the month before that had 2 weekdays more"
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Zegnat
sknebel, it depends on the model they are using. I have seen Patreon pages where you pledge a payment per-video for example. So only when they publish a new video will you be charged.
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Zegnat
And I think you can then set a maximum, so if they suddenly publish 20 videos you don’t actually pay 20x your pledge.
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sknebel
oh, I just noticed I misread what you said
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sknebel
yes, both options are useful
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sknebel
I'm not sure which one was more important. I don't think I have a single "per creation" thing active, but that probably highly depends on what kind of creator we are talking about
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mblaney
hey all, I wrote a post about indieweb micropayments last year: https://unicyclic.com/mal/2016-06-10-credmentions_a_distributed_ledger_for_the_indieweb :-)
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Loqi
[Malcolm Blaney] credmentions: a distributed ledger for the #indieweb
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mblaney
was just a bit of fun, but I still think it could work.... especially with a connected payment system that received syndicated webmentions.
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Zegnat
mblaney++ for actually blogging and thinking rather than philosophising on IRC.
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Loqi
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mblaney
Zegnat: oh I'm sure the post developed from a similar IRC discussion at the time :-)
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mblaney
and I like the idea from this discussion that you could make payments to silo accounts, and once they rel=me to their own domains they could collect any outstanding payments.
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Zegnat
I think that’s the most discussed part: if you let me pay to anyone/anything, how do you make sure everyone can also collect.
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sknebel
hm, there was one of those "donate to open source" services that got a lot of flack because they collected money for random github users, without them knowing or even wanting that
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sknebel
Paypal is being sued right now for accepting donations in the name of random charities and then not handling it properly
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@nueww
Homebrew Website Club for all who are building their own websites #indieweb @tollwerk https://www.facebook.com/events/155959304914706/
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jeremycherfas
Dgold: Next time I’m in Cork, or you’re in rome, or we’re both somewhere.
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jeremycherfas
Actually, how easy would it be to stick micro-amounts in someon’es Apple Pay, if they had one?
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jeremycherfas
Zegnat: That’s the model I use, per epsiode released. It bugs me that Patreon doesn’t enforce that for all the lazy wastrels with day jobs. I’m sick of the people I support apologising that they didn’t do enough this month and that they feel guilty. If that’s the case, they should just switch to per thing.
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jeremycherfas
Mblaney:If you build it, they will come.
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Zegnat
I guess you could make a page on your site where people can pledge to buy you a coffee as well. Then collect when meeting IRL.
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petermolnar
visioning a coffee-delivery service now that McDonalds has deliveries due to reaching the ceiling of their growth
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jeremycherfas
I’m seeing drones arriving with a deluge of unwanted coffee.
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Zegnat
McDonald’s has delivery?! :o
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jeremycherfas
Poor Patrick.
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aaronpk
mblaney: somehow I totally missed seeing that credmentions post last year!
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aaronpk
i'm all for a debt ledger as opposed to actually sending money around for each transaction
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aaronpk
i've been operating that way with several people for about 12 years
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Zegnat
What is a debat ledger?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "debat ledger" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10cG
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dgold
jeremycherfas: I was just kind of being frustrated at all the people who give out to per-item people for not supplying items at a schedule
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dgold
if they wanted to be on a schedule, then they'd be on a schedule. Its annoying when you see people posting negative comments on a per-item creators patreon
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jeremycherfas
Dgold: That’s the obverse of my complaint.
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@lionzan
Hey @dhh I love this post! It reminds me of @t and @indiewebcamp What if the next Big Idea looked more like email..… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/839509775327047680
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@Digitalkapitaen
On my way to tonight’s #Homebrew Website Club. #IndieWeb
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rMdes
Zegnat, aaronpk thanks for the info on events, i'll make sure to add this to my flow
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aaronpk
uhoh what did I say?
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rMdes
<aaronpk> rMdes: first step would be adding it to the list on /events so that there's at least a link to it and so that it shows up in the newsletter
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rMdes
and Zegnat <Zegnat> rMdes, incase you are still reading: the /events page has a section on how to add them https://indieweb.org/events#How_To_Add_An_Event
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[barryf]
calumryan and barryf are here for Homebrew Website Club, London.
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tantek
great!
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[barryf]
We're discussing Derek Sivers' Now page - https://sivers.org/now which I'd like to add.
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[barryf]
Calum is writing a talk about PWAs this month in Brighton.
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tantek
very cool
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tantek
any thoughts on your personal site as a PWA?
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tantek
Also, you have a photo challenge barryf for London
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tantek
going to be really hard to beat Nürnberg for the newsletter: https://indieweb.org/events/2017-03-08-homebrew-website-club#Photos
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[chrisaldrich]
Barry, that page is interesting, but I think there's more detail at http://nownownow.com/
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[barryf]
tantek yes we do. It won't be hard to see everyone!
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[barryf]
chrisaldrich Oh, yes, we were just looking through that collection for inspiration.
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tantek
chrisaldrich any thoughts why nownownow deserves (yet) another page (that will likely not get updated, being some place other than your home page) ?
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[barryf]
Calum's site is already a PWA btw
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[chrisaldrich]
Now pages are a nice intermediary between About pages and the daily stream of updates on one's blog.
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tantek
barryf, what are the benefits to making your personal site a PWA?
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tantek
chrisaldrich - sounds like a good reason for a sidebar section
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tantek
rather than a whole separate page that is out of the normal reading flow
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tantek
what is a PWA?
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Loqi
Progressive Web App is a web site that a client can progressively enhance into a standalone app that's comparable with a native app https://indieweb.org/PWA
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aaronpk
i ditched my sidebar in my last redesign
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tantek
barryf, perhaps you and calumryan can add a Why section to https://indieweb.org/PWA?
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tantek
that answers what are the benefits to making your personal site a PWA?
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aaronpk
I didn't like the incongruity between having a sidebar on wide desktop browsers and trying to make it also make sense on small mobile screens
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tantek
maybe even an IndieWeb Examples section that lists Calum's site to start with?
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[barryf]
That's a great idea re: PWA benefits. I'm unconvinced for my personal site but interested to see how Calum's site works.
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tantek
aaronpk, thought that "incongruity" was a solve problem? mediaquery push the sidebar to the bottom on mobile
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tantek
solved*
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aaronpk
right, so on mobile there is no sidebar
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aaronpk
it's just a footer
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aaronpk
so why have it be a sidebar at all?
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tantek
precisely
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[chrisaldrich]
They're particularly interesting when you've indiewebified and there's a lot more stream on your own site.... I think Ben Werdmuller made a comment in chat last week sometime about coming up with a page similar to what Now accomplishes. In some sense, it almost serves like a resume page, but of the somewhat more ephemeral material one might like to look back on. I'm thinking of something along the lines of TimeHop, but I get your meaning Tant
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[chrisaldrich]
find it a bit of a hassle to update pseudo regularly.
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calumryan
tantek: various benefits - offline availablity, providing performance enhancement and a few UX enhancments
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tantek
aaronpk - a fair question. design pattern habits?
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calumryan
also adactio has PWA
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tantek
calumryan - yes he does. all good things to add to /PWA! :)
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tantek
chrisaldrich yes, that "find it a bit of a hassle to update pseudo regularly." to me is sufficient to doom the usability of having separate now pages
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tantek
usability from an author / maintainer of personal site perspective
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tantek
knows this from experience and having LOTS of such one-off separate pages he used to maintain which are largely time capsules of the last time he maintained them
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[chrisaldrich]
Of course given how often most people update their about pages is then argument enough to abandon those too, n'cest pas?
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aaronpk
doesn't have an "about" page :P
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tantek
chrisaldrich about pages are more ok because the nature of the content is more static
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tantek
so it's ok that it's not updated as often
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[chrisaldrich]
I have an about me site...
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tantek
chrisaldrich this is specifically the tension between something that claims to be *now* and yet adds an undue burden on the author to update it *now*
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tantek
that spells bad usability IMO
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[chrisaldrich]
just a question of how much of me you care to read about.
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aaronpk
hm, my "projects" page is kind of a "now" page
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calumryan
HTTP2 is another common feature of PWAs but yet to look into that. I see we have a page on that but has anyone implemented HTTP2 yet?
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aaronpk
for each project, you can click on the project's hashtag to see the latest posts about that project
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aaronpk
calumryan: i turned on http2 a while ago since it's just a setting in nginx
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tantek
here's an example of a separate page I used to keep updated (with a splash page before the actual page!) http://tantek.com/exit.html
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[chrisaldrich]
I think the Now page movement(?) recommends updating about once a month. In some sense, updating something like that becomes a reason to take stock of what you're working on a monthly basis (kind of like monthly New Year's Resolutions), and I think that philosophy is some of what drives the Now page for those who use it. I see a large number of GTD people in that space.
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tantek
points for anyone who gets the splash page movie reference without view source
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[chrisaldrich]
I've been somewhat tempted to have an "Itches" page like aaronpk suggested. That seems more interesting than a Now page
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aaronpk
[chrisaldrich]: that's interesting! I've been trying to do a somewhat monthly checkin with myself along those lines, but hadn't thought of tying it to a public page
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tantek
chrisaldrich, is itchitchitch . com taken ? ;)
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aaronpk
hahaha
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Loqi
hehe
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aaronpk
that just looks like "chit" and "hitch"
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[chrisaldrich]
My favorite is that the http://nownownow.com site actually has it's own now page: http://nownownow.com/now
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[chrisaldrich]
If you did maintain an itch page with some detail, you could cut and paste off of it into posts, which might make your 100daysofIndieWeb easier....
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Zegnat
Ooh, I might do a now page. That’s pretty interesting.
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Zegnat
is going to have his own private HWC when he returns from dinner plans
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tantek
reminds barry calumryan to take & post a photo! :)
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tantek
barryf
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tantek
oh hey how is Berlin doing?
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tantek
I miss Salon Schmück - that place was sweet
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Loqi
misses Salon too
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sknebel
fine. we met a new person that discovered us via OpenID via indieauth.com
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tantek
sknebel that is awesome!
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tantek
might be the first event outreach via indieauth OpenID back compat ever! ;)
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tantek
sknebel - take a photo on that sweet couch!
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tantek
(context of how awesome a venue Salon Schmück is: http://tantek.com/2017/053/t6/homebrew-website-club-berlin-growing )
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Loqi
[Tantek Çelik] a jpg. a jpg. a jpg. a jpg. a jpg. Homebrew Website Club #Berlin is growing and has found a great spot: wifi, power, drinks, small bites, non-smoking(!), and a casual hipster vibe perfect for plotting #indieweb plans. #multiphoto #nofilter #indieweb... https://scontent-frt3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s1080x1080/e35/16908264_1668444363455573_7585137837893222400_n.jpg
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tantek
😂 so busted with those bad auto-gen alt attrs
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@calum_ryan
Tonight discussing ways to get more people aware of and attend HWC London with @barryf #indieweb https://twitter.com/calum_ryan/status/839564069778640896/photo/1
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tantek
ok the bar has been set - let's see if we get 2+ folks at HWC SF tonight!
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[chrisaldrich]
Has anyone played around with Keybase Chat yet? Looks interesting and some of what they're doing is reminiscent of a mixture IndieAuth, /chat, and /private_webmention
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[cleverdevil]
I've used it. Works great, so far.
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[cleverdevil]
Needs a mobile client to really be useful, though.
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[chrisaldrich]
looks like they've got an API for it.... maybe a weekend project?
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[cleverdevil]
They're planning on a mobile client, I believe.
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[cleverdevil]
iOS and Android.
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[cleverdevil]
Just a matter of waiting it out :)\
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[chrisaldrich]
I suspect that may even be what they were hoping for with the API...
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GWG
Afternoon
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tantek
wow seattletimes.com has gone full js;dr on their articles. e.g. www.seattletimes.com/business/fearless-girl-statue-stares-down-wall-streets-iconic-bull/ is a big blank scrolling white page for me
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GWG
Chrisaldrich, any news?
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gRegorLove
What is Keybase Chat?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Keybase Chat" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10cJ
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tantek
what is Keybase?
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Loqi
Keybase is a GPG key silo https://indieweb.org/keybase
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tantek
maybe start with a subsection there presuming they are related?
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@jkphl
✨ Just published some first infos for the upcoming #IndieWebWeek in May. Join us in Düsseldorf & Nürnberg! http://indiewebweek.indieweb.org/ #indieweb
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@IndieWebCampDE
✨ Soeben veröffentlicht: Die ersten Infos zur #IndieWebWeek im Mai. Seid dabei in Düsseldorf und Nürnberg! http://indiewebweek.indieweb.org/ #indieweb
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@iwantmyname
A quick rundown from @treitnauer on what he did to become an #IndieWeb citizen using @DigitalOcean, @WordPress and… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/839581626845675520
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miklb_
howdy
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[chrisaldrich]
GWG, sadly I haven't been able to track down that bug yet. I was swamped most of yesterday, but did make some progress late last night on a new indieweb project...
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sknebel
hi deathrow1
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deathrow1
sknebel: howdy!
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deathrow1
sets up joining all teh channels
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tantek
skenebel how is Berlin going? how many this week?
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sknebel
tantek: 5, core 4 + joel who just joined the wiki
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tantek
sknebel awesome! you might have the top attendance this week! definitely post a photo!
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sknebel
too late :/
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sknebel
I'm the last and leaving now
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aaronpk
i just noticed the gradient background on https://indiewebweek.indieweb.org/ nice touch
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aaronpk
jkphl++
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Loqi
jkphl has 24 karma
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tantek
what the what
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tantek
this is beautiful
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gRegorLove
What is IndieWebWeek?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "IndieWebWeek" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10cK
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@megarush1024
Still working on getting my #indieweb setup just the way I like it, and I’m thinking it may be time for some custom post types to handle…
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Zegnat
really wants to do IndieWebWeek
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sebsel
really wants to do IndieWebWeek too
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gRegorLove
Anyone PESOSing / embedding their instagram videos? I posted my first IG video the other day.
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aaronpk
have been for a long time!
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aaronpk
ownyourgram supports it
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tantek
gRegorLove: I have been
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tantek
what is video
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Loqi
video is a type of post where the primary content is a video file (recorded movie, animation etc.) typically with audio, and has growing support on the indie web https://indieweb.org/video
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gRegorLove
Cool. I should get my micropub support up to snuff and use it more.
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aaronpk
there are tests for that!
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gRegorLove
I've been doing manual until it hurts, posting on my site first and manually POSSE to IG for photos
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gRegorLove
Heh, I know :)
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aaronpk
ownyourgram does a good job too
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tantek
gRegorLove: all of these video posts are PESOSd from IG I'm pretty sure: https://indieweb.org/video#Tantek
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tantek
some more manually than others
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gRegorLove
Ah, you're embedding IG's mp4 URL. Do you have a backup if that goes away?
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tantek
yes, the POSSE copy on Flickr 😂
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tantek
perhaps I should file a Bridgy Publish feature request to POSSE video to the Internet Archive
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gRegorLove
Oh, didn't realize Flickr did longer video now.
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tantek
Flickr has always done longer video than IG
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tantek
so it's not a problem
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gRegorLove
When they launched Flickr video it was like 60 seconds or something short irrc
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aaronpk
instagram was shorter than that when it launched i thought
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tantek
Flickr was 90s or 150mb max (both constraints)
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tantek
IG was 15s max when it launched, which seemed like A LOT since Vine was only 4s
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tantek
has anyone POSSEd video to the Internet Archive?
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@TerminalPixel
Loving the new client tests on http://micropub.rocks! It's making testing a breeze! #indieweb
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Loqi
[[katiejohnsonsf]] The Homebrew Website Club of subdued excitement (aka Bellingham) https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-F497GE10S/image_uploaded_from_ios.jpg?pub_secret=71235da29d&name=Image uploaded from iOS.jpg 5th time's the charm!...
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aaronpk
oh! I missed that!
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miklb
what was the name of the Chrome IndieWeb extension? I'm testing out Chrome as primary browser and would like to give it a whirl?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "name of the Chrome IndieWeb extension" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10cM
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aaronpk
what is omnibear
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Loqi
Omnibear is a Chrome extension for posting text notes, replies, and likes to your website using Micropub https://indieweb.org/Omnibear
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sknebel
!tell cweiske: for some reason searchinghttps://indiechat.search.cweiske.de/?q=excitement doesn't find https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-02-23/1487817275920000 – just me missing something or somehow lost updates?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
[[katiejohnsonsf]] The Homebrew Website Club of subdued excitement (aka Bellingham) https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-F497GE10S/image_uploaded_from_ios.jpg?pub_secret=71235da29d&name=Image uploaded from iOS.jpg 5th time's the charm!...
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aaronpk
hm, I just found myself wanting a /tip page rather than /pay
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tantek
both are useful
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tantek
what is a tip?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "tip" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10cN
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@TerminalPixel
@TerminalPixel @digitalWestie I'm sure you'd be 100% in favour of all things #indieweb if you don't already know ab… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/839624511456698368
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] Your Contribution: Buy me a coffee ($5) Buy me a drink ($10) Buy me dinner ($25) Other: Send via... Square Cash https://aaronparecki.com/pay/squarecash.svg $aaronpk Paypal.me https://aaronparecki.com/...
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aaronpk
ahhaahaha crap
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Loqi
hahahaha
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aaronpk
well now you can read the page without clicking
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tantek
well now that you HAVE tip page
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tantek
what is a tip?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "tip" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10cP
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aaronpk
a tip is a small amount of money given to a person to show appreciation for a service they have provided
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gRegorLove
Loqi included the "a" in the bold for the dfn
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gRegorLove
Heading to Bellingham HWC. We're down one Katie, so looks like there will be 2 tonight.
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@cswordpress
@megarush1024 This is just a test of webmention configuration. #indieweb
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tantek
nice!
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tantek
me and Jesus Fernandez here at HWC SF!
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tantek
how's LA and Bellingham going?
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tantek
hey jfrndz!
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[jfrndz]
Hey everyone!
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tantek
woo hoo!
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tantek
jfrndz++
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Loqi
jfrndz has 1 karma
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Loqi
Jesus Fernandez h
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tantek
now discussing how to use a mobile device to update a static jekyll site
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tantek
we're up to three now here in SF
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tantek
Andrew Garcia in the house
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tantek
what is Jenkins
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Jenkins" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10cS
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KartikPrabhu
nice site [jfrndz] curious about the permalink icons next to the title, do they represent "tags" or "topic"?
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tantek
Jenkins is an open source automation server that is often used for continuous integration but can be used for arbitrary event handling and processing. https://jenkins.io/index.html
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KartikPrabhu
what is continuous integration?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "continuous integration" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10cT
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tantek
Jenkins << You can use Jenkins to compile your static site using [[Jekyll]] and deploy the output to wherever you are hosting it.
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Loqi
ok, I added "You can use Jenkins to compile your static site using [[Jekyll]] and deploy the output to wherever you are hosting it." to the "See Also" section of /Jenkins
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tantek
what is Travis
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Loqi
TravisCI is a SaaS company that allows developers to have Continuous Integration and Delivery for their GitHub projects at https://travis-ci.org https://indieweb.org/Travis
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tantek
I'm going to let bear define continuous integration
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miklb
[jfrndz] fwiw, I had a jekyll site I used w/Travis and micropub so could use Quill. I'd be happy to share anything I can if you decide to go down that path.
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KartikPrabhu
hmm the main menu there ^ has repeated items
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tantek
it's a wordpress site where the theme broke when wordpress updated its core
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tantek
Andrew is wondering if he should try to fix it or just ditch WordPress and move to something else now
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KartikPrabhu
that is annoying
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tantek
these are real world indie web problems!
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KartikPrabhu
yup they are
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KartikPrabhu
I have had similar issues when updating Django sometimes
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KartikPrabhu
when using these frameworks you have to be on top of changes
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miklb
add into the equation a paid WP theme and you add even more headache
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tantek
hey chrisaldrich - were you able to take a photo for LA?
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tantek
!tell gRegorLove any Bellingham photo from HWC 2017-03-08?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG
Evening
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miklb
evening
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GWG
miklb: What goes on?
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miklb
getting real close with my refresh
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KartikPrabhu
anyone using CSS grids for layout yet on their site?
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[eddie]
Looking forward to it, miklb!
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gRegorLove
No Bellingham photo. Only two of us and I spent most of it recovering Windows OS on my laptop. Thankfully didn't lose anything.
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Loqi
gRegorLove: tantek left you a message 2 hours, 45 minutes ago: any Bellingham photo from HWC 2017-03-08?
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bear
what is continuous integration
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "continuous integration" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10cU
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bear
continuous integration is the act of continuously building and testing developer changes using automation such that mistakes and bugs are discovered closer to the point where the code was changed
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bear
continuous integration << Jenkins
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Loqi
ok, I added "Jenkins" to the "See Also" section of /continuous integration
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bear
continuous integration << CircleCI
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Loqi
ok, I added "CircleCI" to the "See Also" section of /continuous integration
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bear
continuous integration << TravisCI
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Loqi
ok, I added "TravisCI" to the "See Also" section of /continuous integration
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