#indieweb 2017-03-08

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@100daysindieweb Day 77: More https://Micropub.rocks/ Client Tests! #100DaysOfIndieWeb: https://aaronparecki.com/2017/03/07/10/day-77-micropub-rocks (twitter.com/_/status/839266210776678400)
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[keithjgrant] When I go to login to Quill, indieauth.com displays the Quill logo. What voodoo makes that work?
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sknebel [keithjgrant]: I believe that's https://indieweb.org/h-x-app
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aaronpk What is h-x-app?
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Loqi h-x-app is a proposed microformats vocabulary for marking up data about software applications https://indieweb.org/h-x-app
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aaronpk That
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@brianjesse I follow tweets and face book posts and LinkedIn shares - now I'm adding web feeds again, but just individuals for the moment - #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/839297200135917568)
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@brianjesse I started making web pages in 1994, heard about MySpace in 2005, realized then that there would be a "web version" of social sites #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/839297892363837440)
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[keithjgrant] Ah! I typoed it as "x-h-app" on omnibear.com
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[keithjgrant] there we go, now it works ?
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[keithjgrant] Is there a list somewhere of all the h-* microformats? I’d like to update Omnibear to support more than just h-entry
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[keithjgrant] oh, looks like they're listed on http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2
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Loqi microformats2
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GWG Okay. Assuming pfefferle merges my PR, the WordPress Webmention plugin should now support fragments, and therefore fragmentions. Support being it will store them.
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[jeremycherfas] chrisaldrich Have sent Skype contact request
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jeremycherfas Zegnat: Re: https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-03-07/1488912033087000 Do you think Flattr will ever recover? Are you aware of any other similar options.
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Loqi [Zegnat] I was discussing Flattr with sebsel last we met, I wanted to show him some micropayment stuff. But their current website is such a landing-page-buzz-word-sign-up-please mess that I couldn’t really show anything :(...
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Zegnat jeremycherfas, from what I read about them they seem to be going for the Brave business model. And I personally am not a fan of that. I think they will have a hard time turning it around back to a way to pay independents.
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Zegnat That might just be missreading though, I don't think their current website is any good
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Zegnat What is Brave?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Brave" yet. Would you like to create it?
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jeremycherfas I have not been following Brave, but it does seem like madness to expect readers to accept that companies will have paid for whitelisting.
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Zegnat Brave is a web browser that by default blocks advertisement and allows the user to pay publishers
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Loqi ok
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Zegnat Someone should do a better job of defining Brave… KevinMarks, didn’t you sign up?
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jeremycherfas And I guess they are still going to have to track you to decide which ads to show you.
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Zegnat Well, not necessarily, jeremycherfas. E.g. https://better.fyi/sites/decknetwork.net/
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jeremycherfas There are exceptions to every rule. :)
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dgold "Sites and apps are added to the network by invitation only and are considered based on many factors including traffic, design, frequency of updates and overall appropriateness to the general target of the network."
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dgold so... hipster advertising for selected boys' club sites...
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Zegnat dgold, you mean better.fyi? It is an ind.ie project, and I think we have spoken enough about them.
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jeremycherfas All the cool kids use Deck ads.
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dgold Zegnat: no - not ind.ie - the Deck
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Zegnat Still, it might be a better way to whitelist ad platforms then letting platforms pay to be on a whitelist
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dgold that bloke with the site with the apalling typography, can't remember his name - he's a big fan of the Deck
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dgold gruber
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Zegnat Aah, well, that was the point of the Deck. They do not track, but to sell advertisements you have to be able to guarantee some sort of audience. The Deck just does this by carefully selecting the sites they show up on
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jeremycherfas You mean DF?
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dgold Zegnat: 'carefully selecting' in tech-terms usually means one particular thing - but that's political
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dgold jeremycherfas: yes.
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jeremycherfas Going back to Flattr, given that they did have a business model that a lot of people thought worked well, I wonder what it would take to recreate.
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Zegnat I have never seen the numbers so I am no sure the business model "worked well". If they had to cut the team when VC money ran short, the business model might not have been self sufficient enough
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voxpelli jeremycherfas: if one could make it work across silos, then that would make it a lot easier to get critical mass
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dgold has there been some development wrt flattr?
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jeremycherfas Dgold: we were talking about it yesterday is all.
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voxpelli jeremycherfas: eg. https://interledger.org/ looks very interesting – something like a "distributed monetary web" which would complement the social web well
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jeremycherfas Zegnat: I’m not saying it made moeny for the investors, but the basic premise of what it was trying to do seemed to make sense to many people.
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jeremycherfas For me, two things made sense. A single payment via credit card or paypal, with reduced overheads for me. And the ability to Flattr people and things that weren’t signed up, creating an incentive for them to join the network.
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jeremycherfas Interledger is a mechanism that I cannot fully understand.
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dgold Zegnat: about the Licences thing - are there any of the indieweb repos which would contain Original Work which _could_ be patentable?
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Zegnat I am not sure dgold. But I don't think so. Most are implementations of microformats or indieweb specifications.
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Zegnat voxpelli, Flattr is going the browser extension route now, so it seems. Implies to me they could go "across silos"? jeremycherfas, I expect it is hard to run a micro transaction business without making enough money to keep a dedicated team on hand. My comment was not in regards to investors, purely regarding the business itself.
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jeremycherfas Just got accepted to Blendle and it looks very interesting.
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Zegnat dgold, if none of the developers have currently registered any patents on any of the indieweb projects, and they release it to the public domain, can they go back and still file for a patent even though they no longer have any rights over the implementation? Because if they can't this problem fixes itself by basically make the implementations unpat
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Zegnat entable.
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sebsel jeremycherfas, what is 'accepted to Blendle'? It's not closed, is it? Or do you mean as publisher?
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dgold yes
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dgold Zegnat: depending on jurisdiction - software patents are a hideous mess
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jeremycherfas It is in beta, and I have been granted access to the beta and a $2.50 sign-up gift.
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dgold Zegnat: plus, as noted on the github issue: CC0 does _not_ release patent rights, at all. its one of the 'features' of CC0
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sknebel Flattr teamed up with the makers of Adblock plus - integration in there would still mean quite a lot of reach. Also means that they are partnered with someone many ad-supported pages hate
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jeremycherfas Interesting. Just skimming through the Financial Times and not everything is available. May be a rights issue, rather like the exrtremely brilliant Guardian Today site by Phil Gifford
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sebsel jeremycherfas oh, the Dutch version is already a few years old, and friends of me are trying to get in as a publisher, hence the confusion :)
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jeremycherfas I can imagine! So far, I am very impressed with how the website works.
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Zegnat dgold, the way I understood it, the "fallback" licence in CC0 does not release it. But the public domain dedication surely does? Or did I misread that?
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Zegnat sknebel, I am not sure how far the teaming up goes. It's not like Flattr will land within AB+ (which definitely would have meant reach), they make a separate extension. As I understood it.
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Zegnat is using IRC intermittedly today, replying in bulk whenever he has time to open the client
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sknebel Zegnat: ok, didn't look into it in detail, sometime last year there was speculation they'd integrate it
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dgold Zegnat: you're misreading.
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dgold Title 1: Copyright & Related Rights. Title 2: Waiver. Title 3: Fallback. Title 4: Retention of Rights
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Zegnat Hmm, I will have to reread then, dgold. thanks for bringing that up. I still do think CC0 is the most accepted way for us to dedicate code to the PD though, with or without their patent clause.
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dgold WEll, I happen to agree with that.
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KevinMarks see also http://www.openwebfoundation.org/legal/the-owf-1-0-agreements/owfa-1-0
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dgold I'm not sure that it will "suit" the originator of the queries.
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dgold agrees, while simultansously thinking that CC0 isn't partiicularly well suited to code.
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petermolnar re Flattr: it's Patreon which is kind of fulfilling what Flattr should have
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dgold petermolnar: aye, but its a bit of a pain in the nether regions. I get different sums going out to my various patreons at different times
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jeremycherfas I disagree Petermolnar. Patreon is good for people I want to support, but not for individual things, like a page on the web
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dgold i'd prefer to fire in a $amount to patreon every month
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jeremycherfas Dgold: and how would they divide it up?
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jeremycherfas Or, to take another example, how would I reward you, financially, for creating a plugin I like, but not do it every month?
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dgold by buying me a coffee?
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dgold wasn't there a service to do that, aeons ago?
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petermolnar paypal donations, but that involves paypal...
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dgold no, I see your point.
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petermolnar it's possible to do this with wechat
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Zegnat I guess you could go full SQLite and have someone record every contributor’s public domain dedication, dgold, but that too sounds like a hassle ;)
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petermolnar http://www.thedrum.com/news/2015/08/13/china-s-hugely-popular-wechat-introduces-micropayment-button-reward-writers
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sknebel yeah, some one-time-payment or flattr-like model really would add to patreons utility from a user perspective. (their fees are not irrelevant, but for microtransactions they work out ok) But I can also understand that patreon wants to concentrate on the "reliable" monthly/per result model
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dgold i'd like a patreon where I could throw in my couple bucks a month, regularly, and if a Creator doesn't turn in something that month (if using that model) then the spare goes to all the little pepole
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dgold but that doesn't help jeremy buy me a coffee
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sknebel (afaik patreon takes 5% on top of all the payment provider fees, so for many small amounts it is more effective, for larger ones direct payment via stripe etc. would be cheaper)
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sknebel hm, interesting as well
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Zegnat dgold, interesting, you would rather spread your monthly patreon allotment out than save on the money when one of your patreonees didn’t produce? I think you might be in the minority there.
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Zegnat I think Patreon built their audience on the Kickstarter-like promise that you are only paying someone when they actually did a thing. Until then your money doesn’t get touched.
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dgold yeah, that's certainly how they sell it. but, e.g. there are things that I would _like_ to support occasionally, but not interested/valued enough to create a g'tee'd payment
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dgold and some of my Creators are lazy lumps[^1]
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dgold [^1]: with like day jobs and lives. Wastrels.
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sknebel Zegnat: what is "did a thing"? they have the "pay per creation" model, but e.g. I support some webcomic artists. I really don't need the system tracking "ok, X published 20 comics this month (4x5 weekdays), so he gets less than the month before that had 2 weekdays more"
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Zegnat sknebel, it depends on the model they are using. I have seen Patreon pages where you pledge a payment per-video for example. So only when they publish a new video will you be charged.
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Zegnat And I think you can then set a maximum, so if they suddenly publish 20 videos you don’t actually pay 20x your pledge.
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sknebel oh, I just noticed I misread what you said
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sknebel yes, both options are useful
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sknebel I'm not sure which one was more important. I don't think I have a single "per creation" thing active, but that probably highly depends on what kind of creator we are talking about
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mblaney hey all, I wrote a post about indieweb micropayments last year: https://unicyclic.com/mal/2016-06-10-credmentions_a_distributed_ledger_for_the_indieweb :-)
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Loqi [Malcolm Blaney] credmentions: a distributed ledger for the #indieweb
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mblaney was just a bit of fun, but I still think it could work.... especially with a connected payment system that received syndicated webmentions.
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Zegnat mblaney++ for actually blogging and thinking rather than philosophising on IRC.
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Loqi mblaney has 18 karma in this channel (21 overall)
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mblaney Zegnat: oh I'm sure the post developed from a similar IRC discussion at the time :-)
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mblaney and I like the idea from this discussion that you could make payments to silo accounts, and once they rel=me to their own domains they could collect any outstanding payments.
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Zegnat I think that’s the most discussed part: if you let me pay to anyone/anything, how do you make sure everyone can also collect.
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sknebel hm, there was one of those "donate to open source" services that got a lot of flack because they collected money for random github users, without them knowing or even wanting that
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sknebel Paypal is being sued right now for accepting donations in the name of random charities and then not handling it properly
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Loqi [indieweb] "The Atlantic's ads making @ibogost's point for him https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/02/the-singularity-in-the-toilet-stall/517551/ #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-03-07 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/the-at
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@nueww Homebrew Website Club for all who are building their own websites #indieweb @tollwerk https://www.facebook.com/events/155959304914706/ (twitter.com/_/status/839467238218432512)
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jeremycherfas Dgold: Next time I’m in Cork, or you’re in rome, or we’re both somewhere.
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jeremycherfas Actually, how easy would it be to stick micro-amounts in someon’es Apple Pay, if they had one?
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jeremycherfas Zegnat: That’s the model I use, per epsiode released. It bugs me that Patreon doesn’t enforce that for all the lazy wastrels with day jobs. I’m sick of the people I support apologising that they didn’t do enough this month and that they feel guilty. If that’s the case, they should just switch to per thing.
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jeremycherfas Mblaney:If you build it, they will come.
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Zegnat I guess you could make a page on your site where people can pledge to buy you a coffee as well. Then collect when meeting IRL.
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petermolnar visioning a coffee-delivery service now that McDonalds has deliveries due to reaching the ceiling of their growth
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jeremycherfas I’m seeing drones arriving with a deluge of unwanted coffee.
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Zegnat McDonald’s has delivery?! :o
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Zegnat Re: online payment to people. Just saw http://patrickrhone.com/2017/03/03/on-sabbatical/ link to https://plasso.com/
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jeremycherfas Poor Patrick.
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aaronpk mblaney: somehow I totally missed seeing that credmentions post last year!
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aaronpk i'm all for a debt ledger as opposed to actually sending money around for each transaction
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aaronpk i've been operating that way with several people for about 12 years
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Zegnat What is a debat ledger?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "debat ledger" yet. Would you like to create it?
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dgold jeremycherfas: I was just kind of being frustrated at all the people who give out to per-item people for not supplying items at a schedule
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dgold if they wanted to be on a schedule, then they'd be on a schedule. Its annoying when you see people posting negative comments on a per-item creators patreon
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KevinMarks static-site << https://arstechnica.com/the-multiverse/2017/03/fireside-fiction-company-is-science-fictions-best-kept-secret/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://arstechnica.com/the-multiverse/2017/03/fireside-fiction-company-is-science-fictions-best-kept-secret/" to the "See Also" section of /static-site
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jeremycherfas Dgold: That’s the obverse of my complaint.
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@lionzan Hey @dhh I love this post! It reminds me of @t and @indiewebcamp What if the next Big Idea looked more like email..… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/839509775327047680 (twitter.com/_/status/839509775327047680)
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@Digitalkapitaen On my way to tonight’s #Homebrew Website Club. #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/839521936942186497)
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rMdes Zegnat, aaronpk thanks for the info on events, i'll make sure to add this to my flow
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aaronpk uhoh what did I say?
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rMdes <aaronpk> rMdes: first step would be adding it to the list on /events so that there's at least a link to it and so that it shows up in the newsletter
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aaronpk aha
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rMdes and Zegnat <Zegnat> rMdes, incase you are still reading: the /events page has a section on how to add them https://indieweb.org/events#How_To_Add_An_Event
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[barryf] calumryan and barryf are here for Homebrew Website Club, London.
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tantek great!
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[barryf] We're discussing Derek Sivers' Now page - https://sivers.org/now which I'd like to add.
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[barryf] Calum is writing a talk about PWAs this month in Brighton.
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tantek very cool
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tantek any thoughts on your personal site as a PWA?
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tantek Also, you have a photo challenge barryf for London
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tantek going to be really hard to beat Nürnberg for the newsletter: https://indieweb.org/events/2017-03-08-homebrew-website-club#Photos
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[chrisaldrich] Barry, that page is interesting, but I think there's more detail at http://nownownow.com/
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[barryf] tantek yes we do. It won't be hard to see everyone!
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[barryf] chrisaldrich Oh, yes, we were just looking through that collection for inspiration.
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tantek chrisaldrich any thoughts why nownownow deserves (yet) another page (that will likely not get updated, being some place other than your home page) ?
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[barryf] Calum's site is already a PWA btw
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[chrisaldrich] Now pages are a nice intermediary between About pages and the daily stream of updates on one's blog.
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tantek barryf, what are the benefits to making your personal site a PWA?
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tantek chrisaldrich - sounds like a good reason for a sidebar section
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tantek rather than a whole separate page that is out of the normal reading flow
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tantek what is a PWA?
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Loqi Progressive Web App is a web site that a client can progressively enhance into a standalone app that's comparable with a native app https://indieweb.org/PWA
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aaronpk i ditched my sidebar in my last redesign
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tantek barryf, perhaps you and calumryan can add a Why section to https://indieweb.org/PWA?
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tantek that answers what are the benefits to making your personal site a PWA?
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aaronpk I didn't like the incongruity between having a sidebar on wide desktop browsers and trying to make it also make sense on small mobile screens
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tantek maybe even an IndieWeb Examples section that lists Calum's site to start with?
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[barryf] That's a great idea re: PWA benefits. I'm unconvinced for my personal site but interested to see how Calum's site works.
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tantek aaronpk, thought that "incongruity" was a solve problem? mediaquery push the sidebar to the bottom on mobile
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tantek solved*
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aaronpk right, so on mobile there is no sidebar
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aaronpk it's just a footer
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aaronpk so why have it be a sidebar at all?
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tantek precisely
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[chrisaldrich] They're particularly interesting when you've indiewebified and there's a lot more stream on your own site.... I think Ben Werdmuller made a comment in chat last week sometime about coming up with a page similar to what Now accomplishes. In some sense, it almost serves like a resume page, but of the somewhat more ephemeral material one might like to look back on. I'm thinking of something along the lines of TimeHop, but I get your meaning Tant
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[chrisaldrich] find it a bit of a hassle to update pseudo regularly.
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calumryan tantek: various benefits - offline availablity, providing performance enhancement and a few UX enhancments
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tantek aaronpk - a fair question. design pattern habits?
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calumryan also adactio has PWA
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tantek calumryan - yes he does. all good things to add to /PWA! :)
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tantek chrisaldrich yes, that "find it a bit of a hassle to update pseudo regularly." to me is sufficient to doom the usability of having separate now pages
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tantek usability from an author / maintainer of personal site perspective
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tantek knows this from experience and having LOTS of such one-off separate pages he used to maintain which are largely time capsules of the last time he maintained them
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[chrisaldrich] Of course given how often most people update their about pages is then argument enough to abandon those too, n'cest pas?
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aaronpk doesn't have an "about" page :P
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tantek chrisaldrich about pages are more ok because the nature of the content is more static
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tantek so it's ok that it's not updated as often
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[chrisaldrich] I have an about me site...
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tantek chrisaldrich this is specifically the tension between something that claims to be *now* and yet adds an undue burden on the author to update it *now*
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tantek that spells bad usability IMO
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[chrisaldrich] just a question of how much of me you care to read about.
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aaronpk hm, my "projects" page is kind of a "now" page
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calumryan HTTP2 is another common feature of PWAs but yet to look into that. I see we have a page on that but has anyone implemented HTTP2 yet?
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aaronpk for each project, you can click on the project's hashtag to see the latest posts about that project
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aaronpk calumryan: i turned on http2 a while ago since it's just a setting in nginx
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tantek here's an example of a separate page I used to keep updated (with a splash page before the actual page!) http://tantek.com/exit.html
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[chrisaldrich] I think the Now page movement(?) recommends updating about once a month. In some sense, updating something like that becomes a reason to take stock of what you're working on a monthly basis (kind of like monthly New Year's Resolutions), and I think that philosophy is some of what drives the Now page for those who use it. I see a large number of GTD people in that space.
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tantek points for anyone who gets the splash page movie reference without view source
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[chrisaldrich] I've been somewhat tempted to have an "Itches" page like aaronpk suggested. That seems more interesting than a Now page
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aaronpk [chrisaldrich]: that's interesting! I've been trying to do a somewhat monthly checkin with myself along those lines, but hadn't thought of tying it to a public page
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tantek chrisaldrich, is itchitchitch . com taken ? ;)
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aaronpk hahaha
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Loqi hehe
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aaronpk that just looks like "chit" and "hitch"
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[chrisaldrich] My favorite is that the http://nownownow.com site actually has it's own now page: http://nownownow.com/now
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[chrisaldrich] If you did maintain an itch page with some detail, you could cut and paste off of it into posts, which might make your 100daysofIndieWeb easier....
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Zegnat Ooh, I might do a now page. That’s pretty interesting.
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Zegnat is going to have his own private HWC when he returns from dinner plans
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tantek reminds barry calumryan to take & post a photo! :)
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tantek barryf
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tantek oh hey how is Berlin doing?
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tantek I miss Salon Schmück - that place was sweet
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Loqi misses Salon too
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sknebel fine. we met a new person that discovered us via OpenID via indieauth.com
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tantek sknebel that is awesome!
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tantek might be the first event outreach via indieauth OpenID back compat ever! ;)
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tantek sknebel - take a photo on that sweet couch!
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tantek (context of how awesome a venue Salon Schmück is: http://tantek.com/2017/053/t6/homebrew-website-club-berlin-growing )
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] a jpg. a jpg. a jpg. a jpg. a jpg. Homebrew Website Club #Berlin is growing and has found a great spot: wifi, power, drinks, small bites, non-smoking(!), and a casual hipster vibe perfect for plotting #indieweb plans. #multiphoto #nofilter #indieweb... https://scontent-frt3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s1080x1080/e35/16908264_1668444363455573_7585137837893222400_n.jpg
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tantek ? so busted with those bad auto-gen alt attrs
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@calum_ryan Tonight discussing ways to get more people aware of and attend HWC London with @barryf #indieweb https://twitter.com/calum_ryan/status/839564069778640896/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/839564069778640896)
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tantek ok the bar has been set - let's see if we get 2+ folks at HWC SF tonight!
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[chrisaldrich] Has anyone played around with Keybase Chat yet? Looks interesting and some of what they're doing is reminiscent of a mixture IndieAuth, /chat, and /private_webmention
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[cleverdevil] I've used it. Works great, so far.
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[cleverdevil] Needs a mobile client to really be useful, though.
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[chrisaldrich] looks like they've got an API for it.... maybe a weekend project?
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[cleverdevil] They're planning on a mobile client, I believe.
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[cleverdevil] iOS and Android.
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[cleverdevil] Just a matter of waiting it out :)\
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[chrisaldrich] I suspect that may even be what they were hoping for with the API...
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GWG Afternoon
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tantek wow seattletimes.com has gone full js;dr on their articles. e.g. www.seattletimes.com/business/fearless-girl-statue-stares-down-wall-streets-iconic-bull/ is a big blank scrolling white page for me
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[chrisaldrich] Hey GWG
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GWG Chrisaldrich, any news?
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gRegorLove What is Keybase Chat?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Keybase Chat" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is Keybase?
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Loqi Keybase is a GPG key silo https://indieweb.org/keybase
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tantek maybe start with a subsection there presuming they are related?
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@jkphl ✨ Just published some first infos for the upcoming #IndieWebWeek in May. Join us in Düsseldorf & Nürnberg! http://indiewebweek.indieweb.org/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/839576384624291840)
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@IndieWebCampDE ✨ Soeben veröffentlicht: Die ersten Infos zur #IndieWebWeek im Mai. Seid dabei in Düsseldorf und Nürnberg! http://indiewebweek.indieweb.org/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/839576733133205512)
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@iwantmyname A quick rundown from @treitnauer on what he did to become an #IndieWeb citizen using @DigitalOcean, @WordPress and… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/839581626845675520 (twitter.com/_/status/839581626845675520)
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miklb_ howdy
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aaronpk waves
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[chrisaldrich] GWG, sadly I haven't been able to track down that bug yet. I was swamped most of yesterday, but did make some progress late last night on a new indieweb project...
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sknebel hi deathrow1
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deathrow1 sknebel: howdy!
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tantek skenebel how is Berlin going? how many this week?
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sknebel tantek: 5, core 4 + joel who just joined the wiki
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tantek sknebel awesome! you might have the top attendance this week! definitely post a photo!
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sknebel too late :/
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sknebel I'm the last and leaving now
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aaronpk aw
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aaronpk i just noticed the gradient background on https://indiewebweek.indieweb.org/ nice touch
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Loqi IndieWebWeek 2017 https://indiewebweek.indieweb.org/img/iwc-logo.svg
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aaronpk jkphl++
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Loqi jkphl has 24 karma
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tantek what the what
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tantek this is beautiful
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gRegorLove Ooo
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gRegorLove What is IndieWebWeek?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "IndieWebWeek" yet. Would you like to create it?
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@megarush1024 Still working on getting my #indieweb setup just the way I like it, and I’m thinking it may be time for some custom post types to handle… (twitter.com/_/status/839605063626735620)
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Zegnat really wants to do IndieWebWeek
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sebsel really wants to do IndieWebWeek too
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gRegorLove Anyone PESOSing / embedding their instagram videos? I posted my first IG video the other day.
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aaronpk have been for a long time!
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aaronpk ownyourgram supports it
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tantek gRegorLove: I have been
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tantek what is video
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Loqi video is a type of post where the primary content is a video file (recorded movie, animation etc.) typically with audio, and has growing support on the indie web https://indieweb.org/video
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gRegorLove Cool. I should get my micropub support up to snuff and use it more.
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aaronpk there are tests for that!
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gRegorLove I've been doing manual until it hurts, posting on my site first and manually POSSE to IG for photos
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gRegorLove Heh, I know :)
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aaronpk ownyourgram does a good job too
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tantek gRegorLove: all of these video posts are PESOSd from IG I'm pretty sure: https://indieweb.org/video#Tantek
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tantek some more manually than others
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gRegorLove Ah, you're embedding IG's mp4 URL. Do you have a backup if that goes away?
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tantek yes, the POSSE copy on Flickr ?
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aaronpk ?
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tantek perhaps I should file a Bridgy Publish feature request to POSSE video to the Internet Archive
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gRegorLove Oh, didn't realize Flickr did longer video now.
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tantek Flickr has always done longer video than IG
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tantek so it's not a problem
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gRegorLove When they launched Flickr video it was like 60 seconds or something short irrc
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gRegorLove iirc
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aaronpk instagram was shorter than that when it launched i thought
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tantek Flickr was 90s or 150mb max (both constraints)
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tantek IG was 15s max when it launched, which seemed like A LOT since Vine was only 4s
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tantek has anyone POSSEd video to the Internet Archive?
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@TerminalPixel Loving the new client tests on http://micropub.rocks! It's making testing a breeze! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/839619037705433088)
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sknebel aaronpk: https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-02-23/1487817275920000 wasn't via the bridge?
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Loqi [[katiejohnsonsf]] The Homebrew Website Club of subdued excitement (aka Bellingham) https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-F497GE10S/image_uploaded_from_ios.jpg?pub_secret=71235da29d&name=Image uploaded from iOS.jpg 5th time's the charm!...
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aaronpk oh! I missed that!
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aaronpk \o/
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miklb what was the name of the Chrome IndieWeb extension? I'm testing out Chrome as primary browser and would like to give it a whirl?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "name of the Chrome IndieWeb extension" yet. Would you like to create it?
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aaronpk what is omnibear
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Loqi Omnibear is a Chrome extension for posting text notes, replies, and likes to your website using Micropub https://indieweb.org/Omnibear
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sknebel !tell cweiske: for some reason searchinghttps://indiechat.search.cweiske.de/?q=excitement doesn't find https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-02-23/1487817275920000 – just me missing something or somehow lost updates?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [[katiejohnsonsf]] The Homebrew Website Club of subdued excitement (aka Bellingham) https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-F497GE10S/image_uploaded_from_ios.jpg?pub_secret=71235da29d&name=Image uploaded from iOS.jpg 5th time's the charm!...
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aaronpk hm, I just found myself wanting a /tip page rather than /pay
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tantek both are useful
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tantek what is a tip?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "tip" yet. Would you like to create it?
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@TerminalPixel @TerminalPixel @digitalWestie I'm sure you'd be 100% in favour of all things #indieweb if you don't already know ab… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/839624511456698368 (twitter.com/_/status/839624511456698368)