#indieweb 2017-03-10

2017-03-10 UTC
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@cswordpress Hey can I get one of you wonderful #indieweb ppl to send a webmention to http://www.arush.io/?p=43641 ? (twitter.com/_/status/840004242744172544)
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[chrisaldrich] snarfed, thanks for the suggestion, but one of my friends was sitting right next to Spacey that night so I had thought of it. It somehow managed not to have an @mention, but I think it still stands as the most retweeted post.
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[chrisaldrich] !tell aaronpk, tantek Thoughts/comments on this https://indieweb.org/Webmention_overview for working into the Webmention pages and/or webmention.org as a basic introduction?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-03-10.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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@aaronpk @jamey_sharp Yeah! We're doing monthly this year. Calagator is probably the easiest to follow. http://calagator.org/events/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&query=indieweb Next will be Apr 5! (twitter.com/_/status/840051748479811587)
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@ebooks_lewis We spoke about keeping your post includes 'in-reply-to', then it's a comment, otherwise it just contains a mention #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/840139855514427393)
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sebsel I wonder if that _ebooks Twitterbot does POSSE too :)
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sebsel doesn't seem like it
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sebsel (meh, nvm, personal site of the owner 404s)
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jeremycherfas Good morning
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jeremycherfas !tell chrisaldrich Enjoying https://indieweb.org/Webmention_overview, especially the phone-colour analogy.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@ckhonson I've added: Solid (MIT), @indiewebcamp, Federated Wiki, Diaspora, Filecoin, Sovrin, Matrix, Ownclowd, Tahoe-LAFS, OpenNIC (twitter.com/_/status/840148144516083713)
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@tjlawrence #IndieWeb ! (twitter.com/_/status/840169880892633088)
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[keithjgrant] Chrome 57 is out, and it no longer accepts the cert at telegraph.p3k.io :(
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[keithjgrant] (But it does support grid!)
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[terminalpixel] That'll be the issue I was getting
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@megarush1024 @DerekRiemer https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/840212032356003840)
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hs0ucy Hi, is it possible to display twitter interactions (fav, reply) in my static site via the bridgy api ?
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cweiske what is static?
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Loqi cweiske: sknebel left you a message 1 day, 15 hours ago: for some reason searchinghttps://indiechat.search.cweiske.de/?q=excitement doesn't find https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-02-23/1487817275920000 – just me missing something or somehow lost updates?
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Loqi A static site is a website that is served by a web server directly from the file system https://indieweb.org/static
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cweiske hs0ucy, look in that wiki article
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cweiske "Receiving Webmentions"
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[keithjgrant] @hs0ucy The key thing to know is your tweet must include a link to the post on your site
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[keithjgrant] Then Bridgy will send webmentions for all likes, replies, and retweets
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@ChrisAldrich @megarush1024 Do you have bridgy set up properly? https://indieweb.org/WordPress_with_Bridgy This also has a segment of code for the spam issue. (twitter.com/_/status/840237574094508032)
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snarfed [keithjgrant]: bridgy also supports u-syndication links, if you'd rather not include a link to the original post in your tweet
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tantek good morning #indieweb!
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Loqi tantek: [chrisaldrich] left you a message 14 hours, 29 minutes ago: Thoughts/comments on this https://indieweb.org/Webmention_overview for working into the Webmention pages and/or webmention.org as a basic introduction?
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tantek !tell ChrisAldrich I have mixed feelings about framing/introducing webmention in terms of Twitter, and then making a claim about "the biggest" (communications or otherwise) problem on the internet. Frankly that perspective a "biggest ... problem" feels a bit privileged perspective - e.g. another bigger comms problem on the Internet is how much it has enabled virtual/cyber bullying of more vulnerable populations. Another bigger c
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek problem on the internet - how it has enabled/encouraged mass surveillance. etc.
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tantek !tell ChrisAldrich also while intersting - none of those are specific to webmention are a bit of a distraction for someone trying to learn *simply* about what webmention is, why they should care, what it does for them, how to use it.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat Hm, adding to the list of reasons not to entrust a silo as your main communication channel with your customers: https://torrentfreak.com/ed-sheeran-tells-musician-fan-hell-sort-out-facebook-copyright-ban-170310/
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Loqi [Andy] Ed Sheeran Tells Musician Fan He’ll “Sort Out” Facebook Copyright Ban
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[chrisaldrich] I take your point about big problems and there are many. This particular one is currently propping up several multi million and billion dollar businesses and is germaine to the topic of webmention. Some of the hyperbole may be overboard however.
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Loqi [chrisaldrich]: jeremycherfas left you a message 7 hours, 23 minutes ago: Enjoying https://indieweb.org/Webmention_overview, especially the phone-colour analogy.
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Loqi [chrisaldrich]: tantek left you a message 7 minutes ago: I have mixed feelings about framing/introducing webmention in terms of Twitter, and then making a claim about "the biggest" (communications or otherwise) problem on the internet. Frankly that perspective a "biggest ... problem" feels a bit privileged perspective - e.g. another bigger comms problem on the Internet is how much it has enabled virtual/cyber bullying of more vulnerable populations. Another bigger c
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Loqi [chrisaldrich]: tantek left you a message 7 minutes ago: also while intersting - none of those are specific to webmention are a bit of a distraction for someone trying to learn *simply* about what webmention is, why they should care, what it does for them, how to use it.
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tantek chrisaldrich - definitely germane to one of many things webmention *can* address - but I'm skeptical about that as an introduction or even part of an overview. it would work well as a specific "webmention and ...."
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tantek an overview / summary really should be 1) as short / simple as possible, 2) target specifically the uses/advantages that are the *most* compelling to users who can adopt it quickly
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tantek From what I've seen of various demos/talks about Webmention, the most compelling thing users see is all the responses to their posts coming back in one stream to their own site (POSSE/backfeed integration, typically through Bridgy)
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tantek s/users see/users react to
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tantek this is why the screenshots that aaronpk added to the /Webmention implementations are so key
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[chrisaldrich] That seems like a gen 1 first approach that I agree with, but to some extent I also want to target gen 3 to put pressure on the other end as an aspirational goal even if they can't implement at all right now.
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tantek chrisaldrich IMO gen 3 reads even less than gen 1 - so you need *even shorter text* for them
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snarfed agreed, people regularly tell me this bridgy screenshot is more useful to new users than anything else in the docs: https://brid.gy/about#what
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tantek gen 3 is motivated by infographics and pretty flow charts, to be blunt
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tantek ^^^ yes this
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tantek that kind of screenshot does better marketing for Webmention than any long paragraphs of prose
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[chrisaldrich] That's why I'm trying to spend some time on diagrams as well, sadly not there yet
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snarfed diagrams are very different from example screenshots
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tantek yes
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funwhilelost Hey, all... I'm going to spearhead a new HWC in Seattle.
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Loqi funwhilelost: gRegorLove left you a message on 2016-10-21 at 11:43pm UTC: I'm down for Seattle IWC
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tantek funwhilelost++ AWESOME!!!
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Loqi funwhilelost has 1 karma
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funwhilelost I'm aiming for the 4/19 date as the first one here.
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[chrisaldrich] Back to iterating a bit then... If anyone has other Screenshots to recommend...
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tantek funwhilelost: I know there have been a few folks who have expressed interest the past
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funwhilelost Great! I'm working on updating the wiki pages now.
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tantek chrisaldrich, I'd say definitely save the content / write-up you have, for those specific topics - because the analysis is still relevant, just maybe not for an *overview*
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tantek funwhilelost here's one - @robdolin: https://twitter.com/robdolin/status/636524211616378880
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@robdolin @t @kevinmarks Is there a group in #seattle? If not, any suggestions on who to start one with? (twitter.com/_/status/636524211616378880)
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tantek also try @cwilso
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[chrisaldrich] Perhaps for a wired magazine piece...
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funwhilelost Perfect.
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[chrisaldrich] Thanks t!
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[chrisaldrich] Off to a meeting back soon.
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tantek background: Rob Dolin is one of the original contributors to Activity Streams community, spec etc.
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tantek so he's definitely been passionate about this kind of thing for a while
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snarfed [chrisaldrich]: right, and/or a blog post on your site first!
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tantek snarfed, right. short of a rewrite, my goal with /Webmention and /Webmention-developer is to incrementally improve the /Webmention towards being more user-centric (by moving/saving the dev-centric stuff), without having to rewrite the whole thing. where each incremental edit moves it in that direction
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tantek I blame aaronpk for the inspiration since he took / uploaded / added all those screenshots
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[chrisaldrich] snarfed that first, naturally, but I like the idea of POSSE to a larger audience for these ideas.
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bnvk tantek: the more days I spend building the web + tools, I come back to a comment you made in 2014- I think you could be right about innovation and complexity of protocols (i.e. email) ;)
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tantek bnvk - something about complexity of protocols being bad? or?
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[chrisaldrich] tantek: now that /Webmention is a recommendation, perhaps it may now be more worthwhile on that page moving the IndieWeb examples to the bottom of the page or a separate page? I suspect that there are far, far more people using it than are listed there currently, and as new people join in (and it becomes de-rigueur) eventually that section begins to signal less value as newcomers won't know that there are more using it than are listed? Put ano
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[chrisaldrich] more visitors are likely there for the details (currently at the bottom) than the examples.
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tantek Put ano?
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tantek message cut-off from Slack to IRC?
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[chrisaldrich] uh, oh,
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tantek speaking of writing shorter prose ;)
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[chrisaldrich] Put another way, more visitors are likely there for the details (currently at the bottom) than the examples.
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tantek chrisaldrich - I partially agree. The long list of examples is not as important per se, but would still be great to move to /Webmention-developer in total, because it provides some incentive to participate, add yourself with a screenshot of how good your Webmentions look on your site
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tantek however I disagree about *some* examples vs. details
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tantek perhaps one of the most common mistakes about specs and other documentation is when they dive into details WITHOUT first providing compelling examples
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tantek motivation (compelling examples) is more important than more information (details)
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tantek also, it's typically premature to solve "eventually ... " type problems on a wiki, because you can just wait til they actually become a problem, and in the meanwhile solve *immediate* problems first, intead of "eventually" problems.
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tantek chrisaldrich, for example, for webmention, one such "immediate" problem is how hard it is to get a WordPress setup working (i.e. send, receive, display webmentions as nice as snarfed's screenshot)
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tantek that's something that we still desperately need to improve, so that when a random newcomer (who more than likely uses WordPress today) shows up and likes what they see / hear about Webmention (snarfed's screenshot), they have a direct and simple path to adoption (install this one "WordPress Webmention" plugin, add your social media accounts to it and Bridgy and you're done)
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[chrisaldrich] not seeing snarfed's screenshot... where is it?
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snarfed https://indieweb.org/webmention#Bridgy
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[chrisaldrich] thanks
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[chrisaldrich] The tougher part of the WordPress part is the vastly differing abilities of users coming in the door, though I've got a few ideas about fixing some of it.
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[chrisaldrich] I've been mulling over writing a IndieWeb on WordPress for Dummies book recently... things now seem stable enough that future revisions won't be required on a monthly basis now too...
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tantek chrisaldrich really you feel things are stable enough? I still feel there's the big problem that a new user has to install *multiple* plugins to do anything useful with Webmention
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tantek that seems really wrong from a usability perspective
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tantek also that seems independent of "vastly differing abilities of users coming in "
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tantek nobody got time to hassle with multiple plugins where one simple one would do
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[chrisaldrich] Oh, they could certainly be much better from a usability perspective and there are too many plugins, which creates cognitive dissonance for many, but for a gen 2 user who can set up a WP site and install a plugin, it's certainly doable.
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tantek chrisaldrich having tried several times at IWC/HWCs to direct new WordPress users to our wiki pages and seeing failure, and frankly, failing even myself trying to help them, I'm so not convinced of that
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tantek At this point if a new WordPress user has no real investment in WP (e.g. no custom themes etc.) my current recommendation for fastest path to indieweb capable site is: 1) export from WP, 2) install Known, 3) import into Known
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snarfed honestly even just having the webmention and semantic linkbacks plugins separate has never made any sense to me
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tantek seriously seems simpler / easier than the massive cognitive load of trying to figure out which set of WordPress plugins to install and how to configure them all
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snarfed haven't managed to convince them to merge yet, but really they should
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tantek snarfed 100% agreed
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tantek I'm hoping GWG and pfefferly have a plan for merging them
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[chrisaldrich] I think some of the trouble is the number of different functionalities all these plugins offer. Overcoming what they are to start is the first hurdle. Installing everything to make it happen is another.
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tantek pfefferle
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[chrisaldrich] And therein lies a small issue of indieweb dogfooding. Once one has something that works for them, some of the value of shining the chrome for the potential thousands of others just isn't there.
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snarfed eh we have a steady stream of newcomers who complain that wordpress is confusing. it's very consistently visible. not out of sight, out of mind.
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tantek this is so not "shining the chrome"!!!
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4nFthR36.jpg
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tantek !!!
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tantek every additional plugin is a maintenance task
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tantek s/task/tax :P
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[chrisaldrich] You're preaching to the choir, but I also know the realities of some of the work to merge them all together.
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[chrisaldrich] Eventually we'll also get to a point where more hands make lighter work too...
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tantek this does not seem like a more hands issue
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tantek this seems like a 1-3 dedicated sets of hands digging in and doing the hard work of merging everything needed for Webmentions to "just work" (per screenshots) into one plugin
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[chrisaldrich] ?
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tantek speaking of sooner problems first - hey newsletter day!
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bnvk tantek: I believe you said something like "once protocols develop too much complexity / get too difficult to implement, it kills experimentation and fun"
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tantek bnvk YES!@
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gRegorLove Downside of social networks for organizing: http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Police-Get-Warrant-to-Snoop-on-Anti-Dakota-Access-Facebook-Page-20170309-0019.html
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[chrisaldrich] That sounds like a corollary to Mihály Csíkszentmihályi's concept of "flow", or did you predate him with that?
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gRegorLove That's my county btw
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tantek chrisaldrich that's a really good insight! My statement of about protocols and complexity is definitely a specific instance of MCs broader concept of "flow" (which I still haven't been able to finish reading ?)
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tantek (for someone who understands "flow", he really isn't very good at writing in a "flowing" manner)
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[chrisaldrich] btw tantek: I'm COMPLETELY on your page (while still trying to turn it myself...)
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tantek checks to see which page he got to. Yup, p.74, WITH THE DIAGRAM THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON PAGE 1!!!
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bnvk what confuses me about that Facebook data ruling is how the hell does in Bellingham, WA justify data about protestors talking about a protest in another state?
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tantek chrisaldrich - that "flow" book is yet another good example of the failure of too much prose before an explanatory diagram
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[chrisaldrich] Does that mean you're a gen4 psychology person? Though I don't think that book was necessarily speaking to a gen1 psychology audience....
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tantek hey is #indieweb-chat in Slack yet?
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tantek tries
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[chrisaldrich] I'm always amazed at books that talk heavily about geography that don't include a single map.
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tantek hahaha
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Loqi nice
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snarfed tantek: #indieweb-chat is deliberately not logged, hence (i assume) no slack
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[chrisaldrich] Oh, these are deep UI issues we should all be working on...
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tantek snarfed - however I see [...] people joining there
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tantek so they found a way
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bnvk tantek: I was sad to learn you were in Berlin for that HWC meetup and I didn't come out to attend it. Had I known, I would have.
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aaronpk #indieweb-chat is in slack, #indiechat is not
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Loqi aaronpk: [chrisaldrich] left you a message 16 hours, 13 minutes ago: Thoughts/comments on this https://indieweb.org/Webmention_overview for working into the Webmention pages and/or webmention.org as a basic introduction?
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snarfed but still i expect not bridged
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tantek heh
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tantek bnvk - yeah - hey you should go to HWC Berlin anyway - it's a great group!
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bnvk yah, i'm gonna start going
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aaronpk #indieweb-chat is bridged with slack. Since it's a new channel, I thought that would be okay for the semi-logging that Slack does. I didn't want to change the expectations for people already in the #indiechat channel which doesn't exist anywhere except freenode
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gRegorLove bnvk: The protests were here
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tantek (but I had to see about it last minute because I didn't know if I could make it due to being there for "official" @W3CAB business that may have gone late)
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bnvk gRegorLove: ah, in Bellingham?
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gRegorLove Yep, they blocked the highway for an hour.
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tantek when is the newsletter?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/newsletter
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tantek checks https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-03-10.html
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gRegorLove 2:50PM Pacific (to be safe :)
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tantek hmm looks like we're only 3 of 6 for the photos from this past week HWC
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gRegorLove No B'ham photo
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tantek I know from sknebel that Berlin forgot photo (but wrote a blog post!)
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gRegorLove I like that Moz "OPEN" poster
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tantek me too! original dino!
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tantek chrisaldrich was there an LA HWC photo?
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tantek huh there's no upcoming HWC in the newsletter
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tantek what is anchor.fm?
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Loqi Anchor.FM is a new "radio" app https://indieweb.org/anchor.fm
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tantek why is "radio" in scare quotes there?
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gRegorLove adds HWCs to /events
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tantek gRegorLove++ ty!
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Loqi gregorlove has 78 karma in this channel (107 overall)
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tantek tip << [[pay]]
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Loqi ok, I added "[[[[pay]]]]" to the "See Also" section of /tip
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tantek LOLOLOL aaronpk ^^^ ?
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aaronpk oh my
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aaronpk looks like i over-corrected that
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tantek what is a radio app?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "radio app" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek so is anchor.fm just an audio silo? what makes it different from soundcloud?
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[chrisaldrich] My excuse for a photo is up...
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aaronpk it appears to be an app for creating podcast-like audio, so they have tools to add an audio track to spoken tracks and such
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tantek hey aaronpk does the POSSE tweet still post the photos in reverse order that they are on the page? or can we switch it to same order?
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tantek gotta give Nürnberg the props for this week!
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aaronpk oh right why did i reverse them?
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[chrisaldrich] when I looked at anchor.fm, it didn't look too different from some of the old apps like seesmic, audioboo, cinchcast...
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tantek aaronpk: probably because I made up a dumb reason at the time
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gRegorLove tantek: anchor.fm lets you patch together audio snippets from different sources, including Apple Music and Spotify (presumably preview-length tracks though)
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aaronpk lol
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gRegorLove So yes, basically an audio silo. Lets you record and publish quickly, then add different audio sources
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gRegorLove Based on what I read, no experience.
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tantek audio aggregator and silo?
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aaronpk there's a comment about chronological order, and wanting the most recent 4
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tantek that seems like the wrong incentive
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[chrisaldrich] still wishes that portable playlists worked between audio apps and services.... perhaps that's something that could be decentralized and indiewebified.
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aaronpk i can't actually tell what the real motivation was
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aaronpk i'll just use document order
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tantek whereas first 4 would provide incentive to take / post more quickly!
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tantek yay!
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tantek that's predictable at least
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aaronpk #$photos = array_reverse($photos);
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Loqi yay!
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aaronpk lol
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gRegorLove What is playlist?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/playlist
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tantek and if for some reason we want to editorialize the photos for a given week, we can edit order
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gRegorLove What is playlist?
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Loqi A playlist represents a collection of songs of some significance to the list's creator https://indieweb.org/playlist
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gRegorLove aaronpk: woo, removing code! :)
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[chrisaldrich] very sparse page that /playlist. But very similar in concept to /blogroll.
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gRegorLove Yeah, hasn't been touched since 2015. Updating to include audio/video
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gRegorLove Unfortunately http://davidpea.ch/ appears to be offline, so can't get more specifics on their example
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gRegorLove Anyone else publishing /playlist on their own site?
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bear Google Cloud's free trial is now for a year
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bear you can use the $300 credit over 12 months now - for small personal sites that could mean your first year is free
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snarfed actually both google compute engine and app engine have permanent free tiers
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tantek neat!
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snarfed the $300/12 mos is above that
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tantek what is google compute engine
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Loqi Google Compute Engine (abbreviated GCE) is https://cloud.google.com/compute/ a hosted service provided by Google https://indieweb.org/Google_Compute_Engine
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tantek what is app engine?
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Loqi Google App Engine is a an application hosting service that supports several programming languages https://indieweb.org/App_Engine
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tantek :thumbsup:
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snarfed only recommended for developers though! non-developer indieweb ppl should use something higher level. https://indieweb.org/web_hosting
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tantek good to know
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bear snarfed++ thanks for the nuances
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bear Google is aiming for the enterprise market big time - Hangouts Meet; Hangouts Chat and a bot that integrates calenders for Google Apps Enterprise
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snarfed amusing project: count google's chat apps
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bear yea
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snarfed over or under 10? ?
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[dgold] Which one does brid.gy run on snarfed ?
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[dgold] AE or CE
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snarfed [dgold]: app engine. https://brid.gy/about#how
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tantek oh hey IG added person-tagging to their multiphotos
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-03-10.html
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GWG Did I miss a Semantic Linkbacks talk?
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@brianjesse I love my feed of #indieweb people but I don't like the iOS feed reader apps that much - anybody using something better than Reeder? Thanks (twitter.com/_/status/840314639208529920)
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Loqi misses a Semantic Linkbacks talk too
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GWG Loqi, you want to help me merge Semantic Linkbacks with WordPress Webmention?
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GWG https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-webmention/issues/112
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GWG pfefferle assigned the merger issue to me.
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GWG I could use input
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Salt gRegorLove, ping
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GWG Hello Salt
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Salt heyo, how goes?
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GWG End of week. Glad to relax for a few
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GWG Maybe do some Indieweb stuff this weekend
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[chrisaldrich] Happy Friday GWG! What was the reason they were separated in the first place?
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[chrisaldrich] I don't know if I know/remember the history.
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GWG Chrisaldrich, I linked it in the issue
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GWG It was before my time.
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Salt ha, end, week, yeah, time doesn't work like that for me v_v
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GWG Salt, the last two Sundays I worked instead of relaxed. I get that
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Salt I've got three websites that need finishing by Monday, yay self-induced hackathons
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GWG Chrisaldrich, in order to merge them, we need to overcome pfefferle's legitimate issue with merging them.
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GWG To paraphrase him, he always felt​ the implementation was too hacky. to merge, so it needs to be redone prior
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GWG Some of that has been done in rewrite
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gRegorLove Salt: pong
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GWG Hi, Gregorlove
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Salt o/
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Salt I've got a couple of calls into spaces around bham, was wondering if you wanted to try to get ahold of the people that run this: https://techexpo.tagnw.org/
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Salt It is generally held the Friday of LFNW, I was thinking they could email some of their exhibitors who might have an empty office that day and some availability the day before.
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Salt I really should have gRegorLove ^ 'ed that
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[kevinmarks] I think there's still a way to install any appengine app on Google apps for your domain, but it was always a convoluted process.
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snarfed [kevinmarks]: afaik that was mostly just for custom domain support. now they're pretty much orthogonal. you can use google login, accept accounts on any domain, and limit to specific domain(s) if you want
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[kevinmarks] Webmention.herokuapp.com is good for webmention demos, as it updates the comments on a static page dynamically
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[kevinmarks] Right, but I was thinking about deployment paths. It's easy to add Blogger to gafyd, but harder to add known or any non Google one.
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snarfed [kevinmarks]: i guess my point is, i don't think "adding X to google apps" really means anything any more, since anything can use google login and limit to specific domain(s).
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[chrisaldrich] GWG: I'll try to spend some time re-reading it/them then.
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tantek checks the newsletter again
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tantek woohoo HWC events for late March and April!
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tantek and IWC Bellingham too!
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GWG Chrisaldrich, I am working on bugfixes and minor enhancements in Webmentions and Semantic Linkbacks, so I am looking at how they could go together.
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GWG Hello, tantek
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tantek odd - the IWC Bellingham description is just "LinuxFest Northwest (LFNW) is an annual Spring FLOSS conference in Bellingham, WA."
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tantek gRegorLove: perhaps take a look? https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-03-10.html
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tantek GWG, the sooner that the features in "Semantic Linkbacks" can be merged into the Webmentions Plugin, the better.
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tantek whatever it takes
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tantek it could even be a brand new Webmentions Responses plugin if it's too much of a hassle to upgrade the existing Webmentions plugin
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GWG tantek, as said, not as straight forward as I would like, but I intend to knock down issues one by one.
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tantek just as long as it is ONE plugin that does all that as described
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GWG It isn't that. The issue is WordPress design
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tantek that makes no sense - why would WordPress design be blocking you from merging two plugins into one?!?
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[dgold] snarfed it's just that following the link on the page you linked takes you to 'google cloud compute' page, which is why I asked.
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GWG tantek, it isn't. It is trying to find an implementation that satisfies the concerns. I am working through that. Now that I have worked through some other plugins
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snarfed1 [dgold]: ah thanks! old link, will update
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GWG tantek, just doing it as it exists now would take ten minutes.
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GWG I did that work months ago
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tantek GWG I think perhaps it is underestimated how much of an impact that simpler packaging (i.e. *one WP Webmentions plugin*) would have
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tantek newsletter is looking pretty good
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tantek now seeing if any of the new pages could be improved since they'll presumably get a bump in first time readers
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tantek goes back to editing /Webmention and /Webmention-developer
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GWG Agreed, but I respect pfefferle as the author. I intend to work on improving the code to the point his objection is removed.
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tantek if anyone is up for it, /anchor.fm still needs an improved definition, something about audio silo / aggregator rather than "radio" app.
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tantek GWG, while that's taking many months to do, we're losing nearly every "newbie" WordPress person that shows up wanting webmention functionality
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GWG I have no objection to maintaining a unified package.
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tantek which frankly, I don't think either of you want to see happen
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tantek the losing newbies that is
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GWG That might be an interim solution.
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tantek so please consider building, selfdogfooding, and releasing that integrated singular plugin you said took you (would take you?) 10 minutes to build
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tantek I bet you'd find others here (chrisaldrich?) who would help try it out also
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tantek and give you usability etc. feedback
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tantek what is continuous deploy?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "continuous deploy" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek hmm wrong channel
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GWG tantek, I separated the functionality so I could just include the pieces in a new plugin. So it would be two plugins in one.
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tantek yay newsletter POSSE tweet looks good!
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tantek aaronpk++ well done
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[kevinmarks] I suppose the thing I'm thinking of is "buy a domain, deploy a thing on it, have it work" which appengine felt like it almost had.
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snarfed1 [kevinmarks]: totally. that's much better in app engine now that it doesn't go through google apps. it's also pretty good on lots of other platforms too though :P
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[kevinmarks] Maybe the way to it is the other way round, starting with the thing, and getting a domain when you are happy
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[kevinmarks] Ok, I'll try it again.
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[kevinmarks] Gomix seems like another pass at this
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tantek what is Gomix?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Gomix" yet. Would you like to create it?
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[kevinmarks] The "classic appengine" vs "cloud appengine" split does not help
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[kevinmarks] Nor does the giant shruggie that is the auth story
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snarfed1 eh. both true, both unrelated to domain.
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funwhilelost (Filled in the wiki page for Gomix)
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tantek hmm - wrestling with what to do with person-tags on a multi-photo, now that IG supports person-tags *per photo* in a multi-photo post