#indieweb 2017-03-24

2017-03-24 UTC
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Loqi [indieweb] "Liked Jeremy Cherfas: Flight booked for @indiewebcamp Nürnberg. This is getting real. #indieweb" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-03-24 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/liked-jeremy-cherfas-flight-booked-for-indiewebcamp-n%C3%BCrnberg-this-is
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Loqi [indieweb] "Why we built Known" by Ben Werdmuller on 2015-12-08 http://stream.withknown.com/2015/why-we-built-known
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Loqi [indieweb] "Self-hosted Known 0.8.5 has left the building - with better indieweb, micropub and AMP support." by Ben Werdmuller on 2015-10-13 http://stream.withknown.com/2015/self-hosted-known-085-has-left-the-building---with-better
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Loqi [indieweb] "A short note about web standards from your friends at Known" by Ben Werdmuller on 2015-10-13 http://stream.withknown.com/2015/a-short-note-about-web-standards-from-your-friends-at
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@DreamHost Attention, #PDX dwellers! If you want to connect with your local #WordPress community, check out @indiewebcamp: https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club (twitter.com/_/status/845101064122748928)
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@priya_somani_ Attention, #PDX dwellers! If you want to connect with your local #WordPress community, check out indiewebcamp: https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club (twitter.com/_/status/845104250267078656)
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-03-24.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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Loqi [indieweb] "Editoy NoteSheet & Editoy Draft" by Goodhyun Kim 김국현 on 2017-03-24 https://medium.com/@goodhyun/editoy-notesheet-editoy-draft-e32c9d2a7eaa?source=rss-------1
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Loqi [indieweb] "Editoy NoteSheet & Editoy Draft" by Goodhyun Kim 김국현 on 2017-03-24 https://medium.com/@goodhyun/editoy-notesheet-editoy-draft-e32c9d2a7eaa?source=rss-7a7ed4b4b9c8------2
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Loqi [indieweb] "Editoy NoteSheet & Editoy Draft" by Goodhyun Kim 김국현 on 2017-03-24 http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/goodhyun/~3/60H3ONVCaP8/editoy-notesheet-editoy-draft-e32c9d2a7eaa
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@jkwebtec #PrincetonFung Reminds me of our #indieweb goals @indiewebcamp @t https://twitter.com/ak_watolla/status/843829086707499011 (twitter.com/_/status/845175284001226752)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Liked Aaron Parecki's Day 85: Added Podcasts to the IndieWeb this-week Newsletter #100DaysOfIndieWeb" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-03-24 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/liked-aaron-pareckis-day-85-added-podcasts-to-the-indieweb
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@ChrisAldrich @100daysindieweb OwnYourSwarm is awesome! #indieweb #FTW I love the fact that one can use the fantastically and… http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/ownyourswarm-is-awesome-indieweb-ftw-i-love-the-fact-that (twitter.com/_/status/845200773810196480)
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Loqi [indieweb] "OwnYourSwarm is awesome! #indieweb #FTW I love the fact that one can use the fantastically and cleanly engineered mobile UIs of services like Swarm/Foursquare and" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-03-24 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/ownyourswarm-is-awesome-indieweb-ftw-i-love-the-fact-that
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jeremycherfas Morning
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Loqi good morning
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jeremycherfas The new wiki page for wp-login.php gives a 404 because the link — https://indieweb.org/wp-login.php — is not in fact a PHP page.
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jeremycherfas And I cannot see how to edit it.
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[chrisaldrich] jeremycherfas Try using a direct edit URL: https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=wp-login.php&action=edit
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jeremycherfas OK
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jeremycherfas Heh. Have to log in before going to the edit page. Obviously.
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[chrisaldrich] blearily knocking off for the evening... needs sleep soon.
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[chrisaldrich] Good luck on figuring out how to reformat that page so it's viewable, but you've found an interesting quirk to be certain.
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jeremycherfas I can’t do it. Sleep well.
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[chrisaldrich] perhaps using <nowiki> </nowiki> around the php portion will do the trick? Or just excising the .php from the definition and putting it after the dfn tags?
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jeremycherfas !tell tantek The page you asked loqi to create at https://indieweb.org/wp-login.php results in a 404 because it is not in fact a PHP page. I tried to edit but cannot see a way to edit the page title.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@PolBegov #indieweb @kevinmarks: Le même avocat aurait-il remis deux avis contradictoires en deux ans de temps ? (twitter.com/_/status/845214466312736768)
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[kevinmarks] Hm, noterlive mistake?
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/PolBegov/status/845213647337127936
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@PolBegov #publifin XaCoun: Le même avocat aurait-il remis deux avis contradictoires en deux ans de temps ? http://live.lesoir.be/Event/Commission_Publifin__laudition_de_Claude_Parmentier_et_Paul_Furlan (twitter.com/_/status/845213647337127936)
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Loqi [indieweb] "http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/what-is-googlechrome-asking-me-to-add-woodwindxyz-to-the a Maybe its because the new phone homescreen copy became a @googlechrome link? #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-03-21 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/2017what-is-googlechrome-asking-me-to-add-woodwindxyz-to-the-amaybe-its-because-the-new-phone-homescreen-copy-became
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Loqi [indieweb] "Reading https://cleverdevil.io/2017/user-experience-and-the-indieweb, but woodwind.xyz is not managing to subscribe to it. #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-03-21 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/reading-2017user-experience-and-the-indieweb-but-woodwindxyz-is-not-managing-to-subscribe-to
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Loqi [indieweb] "Audience is an interesting term. This is what I call the “public” of the post as per j.mp/publics #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-03-22 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/audience-is-an-interesting-term-this-is-what-i-call
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Loqi [indieweb] "Hosted known doesn't support json micropub #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-03-19 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/hosted-known-doesnt-support-json-micropub-indieweb
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KevinMarks really feels like AppEngine is trying to stop us using the classic environment
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KevinMarks really feels like AppEngine is trying to stop us using the classic environment
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KevinMarks KevinMarks
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KevinMarks hah. That's what happens when I accidentally sign into yesterday's page
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KevinMarks hah. I forgot noterlive was on heroku, thought it was appengine.
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GWG Morning
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@martijnvdven @matthillco a lot of IndieWeb folks. You can check out the IndieWeb wiki where a handful of examples are documented: https://indieweb.org/Webmention (twitter.com/_/status/845260608790454272)
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@martijnvdven @matthillco if you have questions, or ideas on how we can make things more clear on the wiki, swing by for a chat ? https://indieweb.org/discuss (twitter.com/_/status/845263414410690561)
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benclark Hi good people, I have a support question, is this the right place to ask it? Thanks
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jeremycherfas Welcome. I’m a newbie lurker myself, but go ahead.
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benclark Great, let's give it a go. It's an issue with publishing via brid.gy from my self hosted wp site
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jeremycherfas OK
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benclark I get the error: "Could not find content in h-entry or any other element!" I have looked at the examples on https://brid.gy/about and copied the format given for the h-entry. I have installed all the plugins under the indieweb plugin bundle.
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jeremycherfas Have you looked at the source of the page?
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sknebel benclark: do you have an example URL?
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benclark Yes, I am trying to publish this post http://benclark.studio/testing-brid-gy/
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benclark When posting via wordpress i entered:
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benclark <div class="h-entry"><p class="e-content"> Testing brid.gy for backfeed syndication and crossposting </p></div> <a href="https://brid.gy/publish/facebook"></a> <a href="https://brid.gy/publish/twitter"></a>
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benclark @jeremycherfas I'm not sure what you mean - sorry! Must be slightly out of my depth here...
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jeremycherfas No worries. I mean, are you sure that the bits and pieces that brid.gy needs to find are present in the HTML
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jeremycherfas This page may help https://indieweb.org/Wordpress
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jeremycherfas And https://indiewebify.me
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sknebel hm, everything is wrapped in ""h-as-article", I think that might confuse bridgy
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jeremycherfas Also, there is no h-card that I can see.
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benclark @ jeremycherfas I thought so... I am using the microformat suggest on the brid.gy about page under the heading "How does it decide which parts of my web page to include?"
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jeremycherfas Are you editing your header by hand?
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benclark Ah ok, an h-card is a requirement?
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benclark @sknebel Thanks - will try to remove that, maybe that is something my wordpress theme is generating
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sknebel (because of the h- prefix, an mf2-parser thinks it is an object (similar to h-item), and the h-entry ends up as a child of it)
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jeremycherfas I think an h-card may be optional, but worthwhile. I’m not an expert.
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sknebel h-card should be required
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sknebel ehhh
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sknebel *not* be required
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benclark OK!
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jeremycherfas You might want to try one of the Themes that comes ready for indieweb and then tweak that.
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jeremycherfas You don’t seem to have a huge amount of content yet. :)
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jeremycherfas SemPress is one, from memory. And ZenPress.
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benclark @sknebel thanks for your help, I will try and clean up the h-prefix
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benclark @jeremycherfas Yes indeed! Not a whole lot going on on my website right now! Maybe a change of theme is in order - I am just using the default 2017 theme
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benclark Thanks again both for your instantaneous support!
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sknebel from a quick peek in bridgy source code, it seems like the h- prefix would cause the error you got (assuming I found the right thing, haven't worked on brid.gy before). if that doesn't work, please come back and ask again ;)
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jeremycherfas I like ZenPress a lot.
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jeremycherfas Good luck
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benclark Will check it out, cheers
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@martinlindner weil das #indieweb als paradigma für #bildung im buch eine rolle spielt & @hackr mir den @diplix-link geschickt hat: http://wirres.net/article/articleview/7785/1/6/ (twitter.com/_/status/845290381394763778)
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dgold thinks, looking over what benclark said and his site, that he was manually entering the <... class="h-article"...> in his post editing window
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dgold so WP was then rendering that as ... <article> $WP_cruft <... class="h-article"... >
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tantek !tell benwerd hey this is your daily reminder that werd.io still needs to finish being upgraded :)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi tantek: jeremycherfas left you a message 6 hours, 57 minutes ago: The page you asked loqi to create at https://indieweb.org/wp-login.php results in a 404 because it is not in fact a PHP page. I tried to edit but cannot see a way to edit the page title.
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tantek hah oops
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aaronpk scratches his head
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aaronpk what
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tantek lol
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tantek has a bad tendency to break things without trying
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aaronpk you made a page called wp-login.php?!
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aaronpk oh dear
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KartikPrabhu lol
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tantek wait was that a bad idea?
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aaronpk that seems...not like a good idea lol
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tantek yes when I was documenting ways to spot bad bots etc. as part of /bandwidth management
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aaronpk let me see if i can make it work
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tantek can't wait for the newsletter today
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[eddie] ?
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gRegorLove https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=wp-login.php
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[eddie] nice going, gRegorLove!!
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aaronpk hm, I am confused about the ordering of nginx rules
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gRegorLove Move it to just wp-login ?
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aaronpk I *should* be able to make the rule that makes the wiki serve URLs take precedence over trying to load a non-existent PHP file
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tantek yeah!
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tantek what is noterlive?
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Loqi Noter Live is an open source live-noting tool by http://www.kevinmarks.com/km.jpgKevin Marks that posts to Twitter and compiles the notes for posting as a full post https://indieweb.org/noterlive
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tantek !tell kevinmarks re: noterlive for hwc sf - still waiting on https://github.com/kevinmarks/noterlive/issues/19 :)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek also photos!
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tantek martymcguire++ for HWC Baltimore photo - also what are you holding up?!?
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Loqi martymcguire has 11 karma in this channel (13 overall)
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tantek hey HWC London is growing!
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gRegorLove No Bellingham photo this week.
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martymcguire[m] heh, we were holding up random projects that were on top of the laser cutter.
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tantek benwerd took an SF photo but hasn't posted yet I think
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martymcguire[m] a maze, a test-cut for a "living hinge", and a tab/slot box.
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aaronpk hold on to your pants. i might break the wiki.
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tantek uh why are people still using h-as-* classnames?
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tantek why are new people accidentally using h-as-* classnames?!?
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tantek https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-03-24/1490365624878000
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Loqi [sknebel] hm, everything is wrapped in ""h-as-article", I think that might confuse bridgy
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tantek what is going on
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tantek looks at bridgy docs
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aaronpk HAH
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aaronpk i got it
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aaronpk there are no actual php files at the root of the web server, so I made the rule that enables php match only files inside of subfolders
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tantek awesome!
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/wp-login.php
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tantek what is wp-login.php?
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Loqi wp-login.php is the login page for a WordPress installation, and thus is frequently queried (whether you have WordPress installed or not) by bots and other abusive sites looking for out-of-date WordPress installations to attack via WordPress Security holes https://indieweb.org/wp-login.php
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tantek boom
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tantek dgold: where did you see h-article mentioned?!?
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gRegorLove I think microformats-tests repo has some h-as, but real world examples from tantek.com
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tantek ok we should remove those
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dgold tantek: there was someone on earlier who was having difficulty getting WP & microformats to work nicely
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gRegorLove https://github.com/microformats/tests/tree/master/tests/microformats-v2/h-as-note
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dgold his site (at the time) wasn't configured with Sempress or similar, and he seemed to be handcoding mf2 markup in the actual WP posting interface
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gRegorLove What is h-as?
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Loqi h-as was an attempt to match ActivityStream vocabulary to microformats https://indieweb.org/h-as
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gRegorLove That would be tricky, dgold, since the theme probably wraps the posts in mf1
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dgold gRegorLove: that's what I was saying
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dgold gRegorLove: I really like your site design -- how hard was that to accomplish with your chosen software?
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dgold I _was_ thinking of customising known to use as a reading-stream, but I'm looking at your design and thinking "Hmmmm...."
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gRegorLove Thanks, dgold. Not hard at all with ProcessWire, which is really flexible templating. They're basically just PHP or even HTML files, no custom template language.
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tantek dgold, yes I saw - point was where the heck did they get the h-as-* stuff to handcode in the first place?
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dgold gRegorLove: wow. okay, that's awesome. looking over the docs now
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dgold tantek: he was getting it from the mf2 wiki, iirc. I closed my /query window, sorry
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gRegorLove Known has more indieweb functionality out of the box than ProcessWire. Might be easier to customize a Known theme.
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gRegorLove But I do have PW plugins for Webmention and IndieAuth. Micropub in the works.
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dgold gRegorLove++ Well done that man!
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Loqi gregorlove has 80 karma in this channel (109 overall)
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tantek dgold, if you have any idea from where on the mf wiki please let me know! Clear we should clean that up
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[kevinmarks] http://www.unmung.com/mf2?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbenclark.studio%2Ftesting-brid-gy%2F&html=&pretty=on
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Loqi [kevinmarks]: tantek left you a message 54 minutes ago: re: noterlive for hwc sf - still waiting on https://github.com/kevinmarks/noterlive/issues/19 :)
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[kevinmarks] I did some work on noterlive today, I'll have a look at micropub support.
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tantek If you get it done this weekend and submit a micropub.rocks client test report you might make into the PR next week!
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tantek the *Micropub PR
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miklb_ lol, I feel like ever time I update my site it is one step forward, two steps back
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miklb but my refresh in progress is live, complete with "face-piles" for likes and reposts
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miklb so much broken stuff :-(
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[kevinmarks] I had that same feeling about noterlive and the bootstrap it uses, but I should avoid that rabbit hole
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miklb while I was putting a new coat of paint, I didn't realize some of the plugin behaviors changed.
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miklb So now I have to rearange the furniture again.
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dgold i know its not really indieweb - but I spent the last half hour or so writing a bot-blocker for nginx.
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dgold feel kinda pleased with self
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dgold (most of the half hour was looking for lists of common bots)
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tantek dgold wow
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tantek uh yeah that's indieweb - did you see the /bandwidth page?
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dgold oh, no, going to look - thanks tantek
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tantek all I did was note some instructions for Apache for blocking specific bots
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tantek *please* add your work there!!!
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tantek or on the bot page
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tantek what is a bot
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dgold what is bandwidth
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Loqi bandwidth is defined by hosting providers as the amount of network traffic sent and received by your web site during a billing period (like a month) and by ISPs as the maximum rate of network traffic allowed per minute https://indieweb.org/bandwidth
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "bot" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is a robot
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "robot" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what are robots
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Loqi robots are automated scripts that crawl, search or perform multiple requests for information https://indieweb.org/robots
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tantek bot is /robots
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Loqi ok
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tantek robot is /robots
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Loqi ok
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tantek robots << robots_txt
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Loqi ok, I added "[[robots txt]]" to the "See Also" section of /robots
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dgold tantek: I was trawling my logs earlier, and I noticed a _lot_ of hits from ahrefs.com
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tantek oh yeah those folks - I remember looking them up at some point
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tantek what is ahrefs
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "ahrefs" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek huh
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dgold so I added a PFO to robots.txt, no effect
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tantek robots_txt << robots
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Loqi ok, I added "[[robots]]" to the "See Also" section of /robots_txt
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tantek what is a PFO?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "PFO" yet. Would you like to create it?
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dgold :) local pseudo-legal jargon, tantek: Please F*ck Off
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dgold will add what I did there, tantek, thanks for the poking
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tantek LOLOLOL
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tantek what is DENY
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "DENY" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is Disallow
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Disallow" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek Disallow is an instruction you put in a [[robots_txt]] file to designate a specific URL path on your domain that you do not want robots to retrieve or index.
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Loqi ok
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tantek What is Noindex
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Noindex" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek Noindex is an instruction you put in a [[robots_txt]] file to designate a specific URL path on your domain that you do not want robots to index.
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Loqi ok
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tantek what is Allow
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Allow" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek Allow is an instruction you put in a [[robots_txt]] file to designate a specific URL path on your domain that you do want robots to retrieve, index, and possibly crawl further.
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Loqi ok
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tantek What is User-agen
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "User-agen" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is User-agent
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Loqi User-agent is a common HTTP header that generally indicates the name, version, and a URL for the application making the request https://indieweb.org/user-agent
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tantek huh - April 5th looks pretty empty for next HWC venues!
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tantek https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-03-24.html
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tantek in reviewing the newsletter it looks like there are some new pages that could be cleaned up
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tantek what is audience
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Loqi audience is a property of a post where the value is an h-card describing the audience of the post https://indieweb.org/audience
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tantek that doesn't seem accurate - nor is it user/feature-centric
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tantek why does it need to mention h-card in the dfn?
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tantek hey aaronpk minor bug fix / feature request - if an "x is y" response to Loqi has a period on the end can Loqi not add an unnecessary second period?
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aaronpk i think april 5 is an "off" week
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tantek no next week March 29 is an off week
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aaronpk oh huh
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tantek also, newsletter HTML feature request - can the <h2> headlines have ID= so we can fragment link to them?
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tantek e.g. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-03-24.html#New%20Wiki%20Pages
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tantek (I mean better ID than that)
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tantek (but that supposedly should work as a fragmention)
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aaronpk ids will be in next draft
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tantek also search for ".." and note how many extra periods Loqi has added ;)
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aaronpk k i think double .. is fixed
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tantek woot!
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Loqi woot
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tantek what is a fragment
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Loqi A fragment is part of a URL, and typically refers to a fragment identifier at the end of a URL preceded by a # but may also refer to a media fragment which may use a fragment identifier or a query string https://indieweb.org/fragment
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tantek what is a query string
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "query string" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek A query string is a part of a URL, and typically refers to a set of name value pairs separated by ampersands (&) that starts with a question mark (?), and is between the URL path and URL [[fragment]].
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Loqi ok
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tantek aaronpk double .. fixed verified.
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aaronpk yay
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tantek I'll let someone else take URL path ;()
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tantek what is the path?
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Loqi Path is a content hosting silo for private sharing of information among a small (limit 150) group of friends https://indieweb.org/Path
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tantek lol
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tantek what is Nextdoor?
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Loqi Nextdoor is a semi-private social network silo for sharing notes, photos, events, polls, and urgent updates with one's neighbors https://indieweb.org/nextdoor
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ben_thatmustbeme estimates on # of years before it gets to site-deaths ?
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tantek site-death-pool?
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tantek aaronpk it appears /wp-login.php is not showing its dfn on https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-03-24.html#New%20Wiki%20Pages
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aaronpk may have been generated before i fixed it?
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tantek maybe just needs a regen since your php at root fix?
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tantek any HWC Brighton photo?
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tantek other than the missing photo, I think that's it for reviewing the newsletter
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tantek if anyone else can get ahold of benwerd please ask him to email me the photo so I can post it (or upload it to the wiki)
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benwerd I'm in a pitch, will post after 2:30
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message 3 hours, 4 minutes ago: hey this is your daily reminder that werd.io still needs to finish being upgraded :)
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benwerd and yes, my server is outright broken :sob:
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tantek benwerd that's too late
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tantek can you just email me the photo and I'll post?
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benwerd sure
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tantek gmail works
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benwerd https://www.dropbox.com/sc/mvzcgkilrmqunyu/AACxXxeWkfiZmSUE9j7AISvxa
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aaronpk oh my gosh poor werd.io
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tantek benwerd those never work because JS
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tantek gmail enclosure please
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tantek dropbox-- for js;dr :P
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Loqi dropbox has -1 karma in this channel (0 overall)
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tantek what is dropbox
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Loqi Dropbox is a file hosting web service https://indieweb.org/Dropbox
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tantek yeah no
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aaronpk gah
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aaronpk exif rotation
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/File:2017-03-22-hwc-sf.jpg
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tantek what is busy
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "busy" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is spinner
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "spinner" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is a rainbow beachball
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "rainbow beachball" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is progress
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "progress" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is loading
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "loading" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek where did I put those gifs
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aaronpk alright... deployed new ownyourswarm
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aaronpk now i just have to go check in somewhere
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aaronpk do I *need* to go get coffee down the street? no, but I do need to test ownyourswarm...
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tantek aaronpk - you could go for a walk to the nearest park and back
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tantek park checkins are always good
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tantek A spinner is an animated image that typically shows a rotating motion indicating that a page is doing something like loading or otherwise busy.
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Loqi ok
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tantek progress is /spinner
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tantek loading is /spinner
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tantek darn
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tantek js;dr << performance
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Loqi ok, I added "[[performance]]" to the "See Also" section of /js;dr
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[eddie] miklb: sorry to hear about the broken stuff, but the site refresh looks great!
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@_dgoldsmith Wrote a blog post about Bot Blocking, over at the website. #indieweb #nginx https://ascraeus.org/bot-blocking-for-fun-and-profit/ (twitter.com/_/status/845370985146658818)
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tantek dgold++
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tantek alright, I'm going to assume we're good to go with Matter VC for April 5 HWC SF
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-03-24.html
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aaronpk woohoo! ownyourswarm added coins to my checkin!
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Loqi giggles
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tantek wow
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aaronpk now i am excited about getting swarm points again haha
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Loqi nice
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tantek gRegorLove: HWC Bellingham on Paril 5
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tantek er April
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tantek ?
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tantek https://indieweb.org/events/2017-04-05-homebrew-website-club#US_West
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tantek martymcguire[m]: HWC Baltimore on April 5? https://indieweb.org/events/2017-04-05-homebrew-website-club#US_East
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tantek barryf HWC London on 5th April? https://indieweb.org/events/2017-04-05-homebrew-website-club#London
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KevinMarks I'm on gillmor gang
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tantek sknebel: HWC Berlin on 2017-04-05? https://indieweb.org/events/2017-04-05-homebrew-website-club#Berlin
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tantek KevinMarks - probably ok to mention what Micropub expected to go to Proposed Recommendation next week
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tantek and note that it is the replacement for both Atompub and XML-RPC
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tantek (AKA metaweblog API)
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tantek got to remember to ping folks about next HWC on the Thursday after a HWC instead of Friday
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sknebel tantek: I'd assume so, but I think florian always reserves the table the week before hwc and then updates the wiki
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tantek sknebel if you can edit the wiki in the next 20 min, it will go in the newsletter
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tantek also any photo from this week?
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sknebel edited, no photo from this week
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tantek ok. going to keep asking :)
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aaronpk upgrading all my swarm stickers so i get more points
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sknebel we are going to stay German when it comes to photos in public :P
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tantek hahah ok that's fair
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tantek wait Germans don't take selfies in public?!?
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dgold ugh - I need to redo my main site's handing of <code> blocks... that looks awful
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KevinMarks they have a law about it
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sknebel tantek: good point :P but the general sentiment, at least in our circles, cares less about it. special occasions, sure, but no need to document "business as usual" ;)
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tantek skenebel if you don't document the normal, then it won't be as obvious when things change! (new people etc.)
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sknebel (and yeah, publishing is technically a legal minefield, but only if you include "other" people (=concept of privacy still applies in public))
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sknebel good point, I'll keep it in mind (I have mentioned most new visitors in my writeups, but not all)
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miklb [eddie] thanks!
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snarfed hey miklb, i heard you have facepiles in wordpress? any plans to contribute them back upstream?
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Loqi snarfed: KartikPrabhu left you a message 1 day, 4 hours ago: should "quoted tweets" be reposts in bridgy backfeed? example": https://twitter.com/boguta/status/825774054216957953
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Loqi snarfed: KartikPrabhu left you a message 1 day, 4 hours ago: ignore last tell, aaronpk clarified it
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dgold should really redo my typography. Its sort of wretched
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miklb snarfed sure. I intend to put my theme in a public repo so can see what I'm doing. I can gist it now if you're curious
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dgold does anyone have a good primer on decent typography for websites?
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KartikPrabhu dgold: what in particular? like code?
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snarfed miklb: cool! maybe actually send it to GWG + pfefferle + acegiak. i'd love to have facepiles, but only via plugin(s), i wouldn't want to maintain the code myself
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miklb snarfed I'd have to look at how to do it in a plugin. I'm just doing some separate loops for the comments
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sknebel sgreger has facepiles as well in wordpress
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miklb dgold https://betterwebtype.com might be of use
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miklb for the curious, until I am able to package up the theme, here's the gist of my comments https://gist.github.com/miklb/4ba5ea34dc7ad8031afea9414d477bce
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miklb I don't have a good example off top of my head of comments/likes/reposts but here is a simple example https://miklb.com/interact-scratchpad-macos/
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Loqi [miklb] Interact Scratchpad – macOS
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sknebel miklb: add yourself and those links to https://indieweb.org/facepile#IndieWeb_Examples ?
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miklb will do
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sknebel thanks miklb++
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sknebel miklb++
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miklb sknebel but I will find a post with more likes/reposts and some comments to give better example of them being separate :-)
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GWG miklb, re facepiles, I have some implementation ideas. Doing it in a plugin is something that I explored a while back
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dgold KartikPrabhu: yes, code would be a big part of it - but also just setting it up properly on the site
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dgold because right now I'm just fumbling around in the dark.
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miklb GWG I believe I used some of your old plugin as a guide
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dgold miklb: thanks! that looks really insightful.
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dgold miklb++
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@100daysindieweb Day 94: Webmentions for Coins in OwnYourSwarm #100DaysOfIndieWeb: https://aaronparecki.com/2017/03/24/9/day-94-ownyourswarm-coins (twitter.com/_/status/845380117354299392)
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GWG miklb, it is poorly coded...at least compared to what I have learned since.
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sknebel !tell sgreger: have you published anything about the /facepile s on your posts (for like/reposts/...)? if yes, can you add it to /facepile?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu dgold: see: http://typographyhandbook.com/
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aaronpk well that was fun
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miklb heh, I can't speak to the quality of my current code, but it gets the job done
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aaronpk one step closer to backfeeding comments from swarm now!
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dgold Typography in my Real World I have down. Online - not so much
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miklb working code > …
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dgold without wanting to open the issue to the channel, /me sees the US politics news and smiles a little
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aaronpk that's what #indieweb-chat is for :)
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dgold miklb: in my dayjob - this is my bible: http://typographyforlawyers.com/
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dgold aaronpk: then I shall restate that over there :)
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GWG miklb, re facepiles, how did you overcome the pagination issues?
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miklb GWG I didn't. I don't really understand paginating comments
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miklb If I ever get to a point where I have so many comments that they need to be paginated, I'll cross that bridge
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GWG That was my problem with it as a plugin
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miklb unless I don't understand what you mean by pagination
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GWG WordPress paginates comments.
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miklb what is paginate
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "paginate" yet. Would you like to create it?
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KartikPrabhu what is pagination?
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Loqi pagination is a UI pattern for navigation across (typically chronologically) sequential pages that show one or more posts such as permalink post pages, archives, search results, and lists of tagged posts https://indieweb.org/pagination
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GWG In the theme, it is easier to cope with than in a plugin
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KartikPrabhu paginate is /pagination
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Loqi ok
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GWG Hello, KartikPrabhu
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miklb I suspect though by just excluding likes & reposts from the main comment loop, it shouldn't effect any built in pagination
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KartikPrabhu hello GWG
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GWG I was just saying the other day... I should ask KartikPrabhu about that
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KartikPrabhu about what?
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GWG I don't remember. It has been a hard week
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KartikPrabhu next time you should leave a tell
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GWG I often do
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miklb hmm. I may have a bug in my main loop
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miklb indeed I do :-(
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GWG miklb, what is still missing from your site in your opinion?
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miklb too much to list. Archives are high on my list
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tantek newsletter is looking pretty good
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GWG miklb, Archives of?
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tantek what are archives
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Loqi archive in the context of the indieweb refers to date-grouped (often monthly) sets of posts (AKA personal historical archives, a common form of navigation), but can sometimes mean archival copy, a copy of a web page made (often by someone other than the author) at a particular point in time https://indieweb.org/archives
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miklb I want separate archives of articles as well as notes/bookmarks/etc. Currently I have latest 3 articles an 10 days of everything else
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miklb on home page
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GWG miklb, you have that
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GWG Oh, on the homepage
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miklb I don't have a properly formatted and linked set of archives
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GWG I thought you meant archive pages
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miklb I do
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miklb a page of all articles sorted by month/year
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miklb nomenclature is hard :-)
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tantek what is update?
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Loqi An updated is a post that has been edited by the author https://indieweb.org/update
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tantek what is the New York Times?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "New York Times" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek The New York Times is a newspaper and online publication that sometimes updates its headlines and articles within minutes after publishing them.
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Loqi ok
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-03-24.html
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tantek just made it - now to upload and edit before it gets emailed
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sknebel is /NYT really relevant to the wiki? :/
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tantek example of an /update to an /article of both name and content!
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tantek by a publisher - to show that updates are a real thing beyond indieweb and silos
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tantek sknebel - in general we are lacking lots of screenshots for "obvious" things
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tantek wonder what Bridgy Publish does with a photo reply, will it POSSE to FB as a new photo?
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tantek well let's find out
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tantek in particular I wonder if Bridgy Publish will tweet thread
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tantek and yes it did!
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tantek Bridgy++ https://twitter.com/t/status/845398941449510912
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@t Dear @NYTimes, the original headline was just fine. #SpectacularDefeat. It was spectacular, and is the spectacle of… http://tantek.com/2017/083/t3/nytimes-original-headline-fine https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7t12pYVYAAC4vi.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/845398941449510912)
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tantek hmm but did not make it to FB
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tantek a-ha because " Facebook comments and likes are no longer supported. :("
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tantek alrighty then
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tantek but none of the in-reply-to URLs are FB URLs
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tantek hmm
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tantek wow: https://twitter.com/nyt_diff
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tantek it caught the change I saw! https://twitter.com/nyt_diff
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tantek https://twitter.com/nyt_diff/status/845389311067525121
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@nyt_diff Change in Headline https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7ttGNdVwAA1cf0.png (twitter.com/_/status/845389311067525121)
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tantek New York Times << https://nytimes.com/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://nytimes.com/" to the "See Also" section of /New_York_Times
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tantek New York Times << https://twitter.com/nytimes
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/nytimes" to the "See Also" section of /New_York_Times
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tantek New York Times << https://twitter.com/nyt_diff
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/nyt_diff" to the "See Also" section of /New_York_Times
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@m_ott What is the Open Web? 1. publish 2. code and implement 3. access and use –@t http://tantek.com/2010/281/b1/what-is-the-open-web #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/845414432087904257)
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[kevinmarks] Ignore the bit in typography handbook about not making text black
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miklb is it common to display other type of webmentions besides lke/repost/replies?
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miklb s/lke/like/
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snarfed miklb: mentions, rsvps
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miklb ah, yes that makes sense
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miklb mentions?
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miklb what is mentions
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/mentions
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miklb nods
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tantek kevinmarks huh?
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tantek what are responses?
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Loqi responses, or interactions, in the context of the indieweb, refer to all the different ways and things people explicitly do to and with others’s posts, from written replies to quick likes, in other words responses = replies + reactions https://indieweb.org/responses,
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tantek miklb ^^^
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