#indieweb 2017-03-25

2017-03-25 UTC
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miklb thanks. I'm jugging with how the WP plugin stores responses and then how to differentiate them when displaying
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miklb so anyway, updated that gist to show `replies`, but feels like a bit of a hack.
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[kevinmarks] !tell dgold Ignore the bit in typography handbook about not making text black
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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miklb [kevinmarks] are you saying all text should be #000 ?
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miklb GWG you asked earlier what my site was missing, and think my next focus is to nail down to post from my iOS device. All the parts are there, just need to wire it all up
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miklb ^ famous last words
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[kevinmarks] I'm saying that is a good starting point rather than #333 or #666
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GWG miklb, substitute Android and you have my goal
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miklb I guess I also want to get working replying to a webmentino with a native WP comment. I know there is some work on that and discussions on where that should go
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GWG It should work now
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miklb I haven't tested it, wasn't sure if it was. Good to know
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miklb and now I've updated that gist again using the semantic_linkbacks_type key
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miklb also has enough to write a blog post ?
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GWG I would read it
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miklb then I shall write it
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miklb what is 100days
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Loqi 100DaysOfIndieWeb is a challenge to ship something IndieWeb-related for 100 days https://indieweb.org/100days
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Loqi [indieweb] "Why we built Known" by Ben Werdmuller on 2015-12-08 http://stream.withknown.com/2015/why-we-built-known
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Loqi [indieweb] "A short note about web standards from your friends at Known" by Ben Werdmuller on 2015-10-13 http://stream.withknown.com/2015/a-short-note-about-web-standards-from-your-friends-at
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Loqi [indieweb] "Self-hosted Known 0.8.5 has left the building - with better indieweb, micropub and AMP support." by Ben Werdmuller on 2015-10-13 http://stream.withknown.com/2015/self-hosted-known-085-has-left-the-building---with-better
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@super8trash Daar is mijn huis. (I’m taking back my web) #indieweb (http://tomwolf.be/b/WZ) (twitter.com/_/status/845642033700257792)
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Zegnat Hmm, I am struggling to find a good place to add http://vanderven.se/martijn/safe/ on http://vanderven.se/martijn/ - ideas?
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aaronpk where does it show up on a facebook profile?
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[jeremycherfas] I’d put it between the other links box at the top and the address box.
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Zegnat aaronpk, I don’t know, actually
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Zegnat I have really only ever seen it come by on the news feed
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aaronpk i think it appears on someone's profile page, but we apparently don't have any screenshots
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venezianboy what's the next step? http://buffering.com.ve
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aaronpk venezianboy: nice! do you have a twitter or github profile? you could try adding the rel=me links so that you can sign in to the wiki
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aaronpk then since this is wordpress, you could try installing the plugins to enable sending and receiving webmentions
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@krautsource Jekyll, wird Zeit für ein Update für die personal site fürs Indiewebcamp https://jekyllrb.com/docs/upgrading/2-to-3/ (twitter.com/_/status/845665834756460544)
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miklb what is workflow
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Loqi Workflow is an iOS app used to automate various actions https://indieweb.org/Workflow
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aaronpk i keep having this problem where i need to test ownyourswarm stuff so i have to go check in places
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aaronpk and now i need someone to comment and like a checkin to test that for reals
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sknebel do we have a term for the pattern of cc-ing someone in a public post? (like /cc @user at the end of a tweet)? Sort of related to audience, but not the same I think?
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aaronpk what is cc?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "cc" yet. Would you like to create it?
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sknebel cc is the pattern of [[mention]]ing someone in a public post to bring it to their attention, e.g. /cc @username at the end of a tweet. Evolved from the CC (carbon-copy) field in e-mails, and actual copies in physical mail.
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Loqi ok
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aaronpk nice
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@100daysindieweb Day 95: Backfeeding Comments and Likes from Swarm #100DaysOfIndieWeb: https://aaronparecki.com/2017/03/25/5/day-95-swarm-backfeed (twitter.com/_/status/845693118817062912)
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aaronpk \o/
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martymcguire[m] only 5 days left!
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aaronpk it worked! https://ownyourswarm.p3k.io/checkin/58d074ac0aac753e7a2543b0/bf45438b5f9d7deb24ac336993f00678
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Loqi [Mike Merrill] liked your checkin
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GWG Let's make it 365 days of Indieweb
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@schmarty Your < 10min update on the #IndieWeb community! This Week in the IndieWeb audio edition for Mar 18th - 24th, 2017. https://martymcgui.re/2017/03/25/134946/ (twitter.com/_/status/845696478110797824)
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@huffduffer This Week in the IndieWeb Audio Edition • March 18th - 24th, 2017 https://huffduffer.com/schmarty/398820 (twitter.com/_/status/845697246670848000)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "This Week in the IndieWeb Audio Edition • March 18th - 24th, 2017" https://martymcgui.re/2017/03/25/134946/
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GWG I need to catch up on aaronpk's 100 days. I'm a few behind. I need to see what I might get to in the 2020s.
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[chrisaldrich] gwg: lol!
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: Good day
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: I looked at your retrieve problem
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[chrisaldrich] GWG: happy Saturday! Have you recovered from earlier in the week?
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GWG Not entirely. But getting there.
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GWG It's a busy time of year.
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GWG So, I looked at the retrieve issue, but haven't started testing. I have a theory though
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[chrisaldrich] That's good; I think I've exhausted banging on it to the extent I'm capable.
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[chrisaldrich] Glad you're recovering, that's never a fun thing to deal with.
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GWG JS isn't really my area, but I think that the issue is related to javascript objects. I need to do some reading
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GWG When I changed from the older admin-ajax system to the newer REST API endpoint system, it may be that the output isn't quite the same.
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[chrisaldrich] I'm curious why it works on a clean install, but not on my older production server. I wondered if perhaps there was some sort of conflict
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[chrisaldrich] GWG: in the summary/quote section of Post Properties, are you now also sanitizing the inputs as well? It looks like html that used to render in those sections is now being output as raw text now.
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: I sanitized the input a few versions ago. But I want to look at possibly taking it down a level. The recommendation is to sanitize your inputs and your displays. The reason I want to look at it is I want to change where and to what degree.
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: I sanitized the input a few versions ago. But I want to look at possibly taking it down a level. The recommendation is to sanitize your inputs and your displays. The reason I want to look at it is I want to change where and to what degree.
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[chrisaldrich] I mostly noticed because most sites don't do oEmbed (or a terrible job if they do), so I was manually including images, audio, and other elements to create a better reply context..
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[chrisaldrich] sanitizing is useful if the target site is malicious at the point of scraping, but manual inputs by the user shouldn't be necessarily.
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: That is why I want to move it into the 'Retrieve' backend functionality.
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GWG But they do recommend you sanitize all inputs
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[chrisaldrich] I look at that input field like the_content, but sanitizing whatever the scraper returns should be sanitized.
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GWG Remember, a malicious plugin could also interfere with your inputs.
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GWG But either way, would you suggest more fine-grained oembed settings?
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Loqi [indieweb] "? This Week in the Indieweb Audio Edition • March 18th – 24th, 2017" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-03-25 http://boffosocko.com/2017/03/25/this-week-in-the-indieweb-audio-edition-%e2%80%a2-march-18th-24th-2017/
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@ChrisAldrich ? This Week in the Indieweb Audio Edition • March 18th - 24th, 2017 http://boffosocko.com/2017/03/25/this-week-in-the-indieweb-audio-edition-%e2%80%a2-march-18th-24th-2017/ (twitter.com/_/status/845724072268980224)
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[chrisaldrich] It would be nice to have more detail on things like youtube which seems to default to just the video and doesn't include any textual description.
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[chrisaldrich] I'm not sure how one would override those types of settings though.
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[chrisaldrich] I know that one can control the output of oEmbed for one's own site, but not sure how you'd go about modifying it for others.
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[chrisaldrich] for example, on the post just above, I posted a /listen of Marty's podcast, but there's no oembed and the scraper doesn't pull in the audio at all (the primary feature of that post). Many non technical people with podcast plugins aren't likely to modify their oEmbed outputs to include things like photos and/or audio output.
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[chrisaldrich] This forces me to add the audio in manually, but I'd prefer it was in the blockquote of the reply context rather than manually input into the_content which makes it look like something I'm "saying" or commenting with.
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: It does pull it in, it just hasn't yet addressed storage and display. I progressively enhance. The parser pulls all of it
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[chrisaldrich] Making the display portions optional isn't always easy I know... Generally I'd turned off oEmbed to give myself more control of the display.
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GWG That feature is still there. I just refined the option when it is on.
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GWG I still plan to enhance the off version more.
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[chrisaldrich] Maybe off per post?
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[chrisaldrich] Alright, time to head out for lunch. Catch you all in a bit. Thanks GWG.
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: We'll see.
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miklb that reminds me, I was getting an error on my production site with the retrieving info from URLs GWG
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miklb added to [chrisaldrich] issue
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GWG miklb, going to try to troubleshoot
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miklb let me know if I can help in anyway. I can add a user on my live site for you test if that would help.
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miklb GWG ^
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benclark Hi all, thank you very much for your help yesterday on POSSE from my self hosted wp site via bridgy - the problem was indeed my theme not adhering to microformats properly as you told me. I changed to the Sempress theme and now it works a charm. I also tested "independent pubisher" theme which I saw on here https://indieweb.org/WordPress/Themes but it did not work out of the box for me.
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benclark hey
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benclark Hi all, thank you very much for your help yesterday on POSSE from my self hosted wp site via bridgy - the problem was indeed my theme not adhering to microformats properly as you told me. I changed to the Sempress theme and now it works a charm. I also tested "independent pubisher" theme which I saw on here https://indieweb.org/WordPress/Themes but it did not work out of the box for me.
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benclark I now have a follow up question about getting backfeed to appear on my original post which I hope you don't mind me asking! Feel free to tell me if there's a different place I should be!
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benclark I am aware that I need bridgy to act as a backfeed proxy which calls the silo APIs for me, then sends me a webmention for each interaction. I know brid.gy has got as far as calling the APIs because I can see the interactions to my syndicated test posts on brid.gy. How do I now recieve those as webmentions? - Bridgy is telling me "No webmention target". I was under the impression that my webmentions were set up correctly because I syndicated the post
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benclark in the first place by entering this into my terminal: "curl -d 'source=http://benclark.studio/testing-backfeed-via-bridgy-webmention/&target=http://brid.gy/publish/twitter' \ https://brid.gy/publish/webmention"
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benclark ... using webmentions in the first place by entering this into my terminal: "curl -d 'source=http://benclark.studio/testing-backfeed-via-bridgy-webmention/&target=http://brid.gy/publish/twitter' \ https://brid.gy/publish/webmention"
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benclark This is my test post: http://benclark.studio/testing-backfeed-via-bridgy-webmention/
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Loqi [Ben] Testing backfeed via brid.gy
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benclark Once again any pointers will be greatly appreciated!