#indieweb 2017-03-26

2017-03-26 UTC
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GWG benclark: Do you have the webmention plugin installed?
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GWG Sorry for the delay, just saw the message
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aaronpk benclark: i just sent you a webmention from my website to that post. my logs show that it was accepted. I don't see it appear on your post yet, so is it in the moderation queue?
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sknebel I think the issue is that bridgy can't match tweets to posts. Could you try again and not include the p-bridgy-omit-link thing?
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aaronpk that's probably what's missing. either your tweet needs to link to the post, or your post needs to link to the tweet with rel=syndication
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sknebel (I think if you don't have links in the tweets it needs u-syndication markup. GWG, is there a way to get that on WP with bridgy automatically?)
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benclark @GWG yes installed
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benclark @aaronpk Thank you for that - yes just approved the comment, working!
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aaronpk great! that means your webmention receiving is working
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GWG Yes, use the Syndication Links plugin. It allows you to specify u-syndication
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GWG benclark, how do you POSSE?
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aaronpk related: why does this require so many plugins?
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miklb horse. dead. beaten
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GWG aaronpk, I would like to answer that question simply
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GWG Each feature is a plugin.
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benclark @sknebel ok i see - I will try and get a link into my tweet and see if that works - cheers
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miklb speaking of syndication links, that also seems to have stopped working for me too
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aaronpk I feel like this keeps happening, where new people expect everything to "just work" without realizing that there are actually like 5 different plugins they have to install
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GWG miklb, oh?
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miklb is going to be more judicious in his plugin updating moving forward
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GWG aaronpk, do you know how many there are in the WordPress repo? It isn't an Indieweb specific problem
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GWG miklb, I feel bad to keep breaking your stuff
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miklb it could be my theme code. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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aaronpk yes, but it seems like all the things relating to "webmention" could just be in one plugin
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GWG aaronpk, I will go with miklb on that
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GWG I agree. But what is related is a matter of controversy and how it fits together
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GWG For example, do Syndication Links go with Webmentions?
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miklb aaronpk I see the argument for a core webmention receive/send that doesn't make any opinions on how to use them. After that, I think the rest should be bundled. one thing about WP is you can't require dependancies
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benclark @GWG I POSSE by posting on wordpress using my shiny new Sempress theme, including the following invisible links <a href="https://brid.gy/publish/facebook"></a> <a href="https://brid.gy/publish/twitter"></a>
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miklb you get a plugin, you get a plugin, you all get a plugin
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benclark 2. go to brid.gy, sign in to relevant 'silo'
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miklb benclark look at the bridgy publish WP plugin
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benclark 3. paste link and preview - brid.gy generates command line entry to post via webmention
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GWG benclark, Bridgy returns the link in the Webmention response. I built Bridgy Publish and Syndication Links to capture and store that
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benclark 4. paste command line link into my terminal
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miklb contemplates maintaining a forked plugin that marries semantic linkbacks, syndication links and bridgy publish
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GWG One of the things I want to get back to is the Indieweb plugin itself. Maybe prune there
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aaronpk miklb++
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Loqi miklb has 17 karma in this channel (19 overall)
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GWG miklb, I designed that to be possible.
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aaronpk this brings up an interesting feature request for bridgy. if bridgy is posting it to twitter, then it could maintain its own mapping for cases like this.
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benclark @miklb I have installed the bridgy publish plugin, it has an automatic tick box for publishing to twitter but not facebook - and my firends engage with me on facebook
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miklb benclark it does support FB, so might just need to edit the options.
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benclark so i need to do the other steps I think?
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GWG It was one of the things I convinced pfefferle to accept as a PR... moving the functionality out of a single file so you could just create an include in another plugin
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benclark Oh ok I have missed a setting somewhere...
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miklb benclark wp-admin/admin.php?page=bridgy_options
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GWG benclark, there is a setting to select which checkboxes are showing
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miklb GWG re: syndication links plugin is active, just not appearing on my site https://miklb.com Also not appearing on my local dev, but I haven't investigated yet.
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GWG benclark, if you have any suggestions to make it more intuitive, please write them up... we love that sort of feedback
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GWG miklb, did you play with the settings?
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GWG miklb, in the last update, an option for hidden links was added
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miklb yes, it is set for icons only
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GWG miklb, odd
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miklb And tried setting different options to maybe trigger.
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GWG I feel like I have been breaking websites of late.
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miklb oh, hmm. Changing to text worked
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GWG Better get to fixing
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benclark FWIW I didn't find the plugins too problematic - I installed the indieweb plugin bundle thing which showed up nicely in my side pane of my wordpress backend, and just installed the lot
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miklb weird, changing to to text only then back fixed it GWG
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GWG benclark, we just always try to do better.
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GWG miklb, problem with the new setting migration?
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miklb sounds like it
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GWG I added a lot more granularity in the last version of the plugin
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benclark In terms of intuitive, the main thing that is useful for idiots like me is clickalong screencast tutorials
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GWG I was trying to mirror the functionality of a social icon type plugin
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GWG benclark, I think I also need new screenshots. But I haven't done a screencast. Wouldn't be hard to set up for one.
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GWG The last how to use an Indieweb plugin is pretty old...that Vimeo one in the Webmentions readme
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GWG I put Documentation in the WordPress help button in Post Kinds, but never got any comments on it.
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on App.net archive by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-03-25 http://boffosocko.com/2017/03/20/app-net-archive/#comment-34224
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GWG Maybe I need more in your face links
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GWG Like a dismissable notice on update or new install.
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GWG A lot of plugins do that
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benclark Ok I have found the right settings for bridgy publish plugin, excellent
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GWG benclark, again, feedback appreciated
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GWG Most of the newest features in the settings panel came from people making great suggestions
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GWG I am, responsible for some of the Indieweb plugins and contribute to others
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benclark Wow, well I think this is a worthy persuit indeed and great job so far!
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GWG benclark, wish I could spend a lot more time on it. My dreams far exceed my availability
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benclark haha that is the nature of the beast
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Loqi nice
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GWG Lately, I have jumped from plugin to plugin, doing refreshes and improvements to try to give even attention
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GWG Except for bug fixes for recent changes, I am looking at webmention and Semantic Linkbacks right now, to see how I can help move them closer together
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benclark While I have got real life developer talking to me may I just say I think this project is really important.
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benclark I was on facebook after the terror attacks the other day (I'm based in London)
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GWG So do I. I taught myself WordPress development to be a part of it
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benclark and facebook has this new thing of 'marking yourself safe'.
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GWG I am not a programmer by trade
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benclark IMHO this feature is an example of social media adding to the hysteria, and actually fuelling the terror
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GWG benclark, I am not sure we have that specifically, but you can always post that you are
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aaronpk what is marked as safe?
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Loqi marked safe is a notification feature that tells you when those you follow have marked themselves as safe in an area affected by a disaster or other physical emergency within a geographical area https://indieweb.org/marked_as_safe
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benclark And so what I'm saying is that is is important to reduce our dependency on any one silo, becuase how we communicate is too important to be dominated by one centralised social media outlet
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GWG I had a friend who people were worried about because she lives in Kew Gardens
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benclark Whether it is a good or a bad thing is up for debate, all I'm saying is we shouldb't be totally dependent on it
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GWG The idea of having my own space appeals to me as well
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GWG I have had too many sites that pulled the rug out from under me
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GWG Most recently AIM
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benclark sorry to get political! yes that is also appealing
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benclark what are you by trade then?
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GWG Librarian by training, corporate education by profession
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GWG So, nothing in the WordPress development area
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GWG Although Knowledge O
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GWG Management classes have come in handy in some Indieweb conversations
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GWG Right now, I want to figure out though how to make everything work together.
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benclark Cool, so the good old univeristy of life for the coding then ;)
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GWG Everything I worked on is a feature I want. All this project hopping about isn't just because I want to keep things fresh... but to try to build my workflow a bit better
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GWG I still want to make it seamless and easy to post from my phone to my site and POSSE the post
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benclark The wordpress backend works ok on mobile browsers right?
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miklb it is mostly responsive, so I'd assume so.
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benclark miklb did I see above that the syndication links plugin is not working?
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miklb benclark it works. I was updating from a previous version and need to reset my preferences since GWG has improved the way it stores them.
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miklb s/need/needed/
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benclark Ok - sorry to keep asking questions, which URL is the one supposed to go in there?
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benclark The post permalink?
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miklb bridgy publish will fill that in after the post publishes for each silo you syndicate to
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miklb benclark and ask away!
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benclark Ok so in that case maybe I have another theme issue, I am using the syndication links plugin like you said, but p-bridgy-omit-link is still appearing in the HTML of my post
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miklb iirc bridgy publish inserts that
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miklb based on what option you have checked in the post setting
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aaronpk p-bridgy-omit-link tells bridgy not to put the link to your post in the tweet/facebook
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benclark In my add new post setting I can see a link back to post drop down box which has been set to 'show', is that not it then?
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miklb Did that post syndicate to the silo with a link?
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benclark Ok so the backfeed works if just manually put a link to my own post permalink in the body of the post
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benclark :)
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GWG I changed the description on the box
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GWG Sorry for the delay, bad coverage
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sknebel I just got caught by the fact that we have DST switch and I really should be sleeping, but quick note: I think it doesn't discover posts without back links because there is no h-feed on or linked from the homepage -> I hope the wordpress guys know the trick for that
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sknebel good night!
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Loqi night night
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benclark @No worries! You're being so helpful!
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benclark @GWG no worries
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sknebel (technical details per https://brid.gy/about#link )
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benclark It's 3 in the morning where I am... maybe I should hit the sack too
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benclark Thanks @sknebel
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benclark Goodnight and thanks so much for your help guys
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Loqi laila tov!
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benclark couldn't sleep until i got to the bottom of this. @sknebel you nailed it. It's because I chose my posts to be on mydomain/social that it was causing problems
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benclark i've changed my posts to be displayed on my home page and now backfeed working. Only worked before if I put backlinks in the body of the post
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benclark in terms of how intuitive that was - I was using my wordpress customiser. I clicked on static front page > front page displays a static page > set posts page as sub page
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benclark I had no idea that option would stop backfeed working correctly!
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benclark Thanks again for your help today you guys are a great bunch
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GWG benclark, thanks for your testing
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benclark And now I really am going to bed!
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benclark no worries, thanks for writing 50 plug ins for me!
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jaduncan[m] !tell snarfed I just put a bug in the brid.gy tracker regarding the tendency for bridgy to create a wrongly ordered comment chain on Known.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jaduncan[m] !tell snarfed - https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/737
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[kevinmarks] hm, bookmarklets can't do window.replace?
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[kevinmarks] er window.location.replace
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[kevinmarks] gah. quill isn't working with my known, and I have . post in limbo now
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[kevinmarks] I have a post in quill that gets a 403 when I post to known. not sure how to rescue it.
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@kevinmarks Day 7: To AMP or not to AMP? #100DaysOfIndieWeb: http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/day-7-to-amp-or-not-to-amp-100daysofindieweb (twitter.com/_/status/845960316538122242)
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[kevinmarks] Rescued by inspect - copy and paste might have worked too
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[kevinmarks] So I consistently get a 403 with the quill editor on known, but the note tool works whichever scope I use. Not sure what the mismatch is.
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aaronpk [kevinmarks]: might be trying to post the HTML object? Check in your quill settings to switch it back to plain
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[kevinmarks] I get a 400 with the content one
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[kevinmarks] And a 403 with the new one
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aaronpk Well that's odd
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[kevinmarks] I wonder if ownyourgram still works
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aaronpk you can test it in the ownyourgram dashboard. it has a button to trigger any of your recent photos.
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[kevinmarks] I will try it with micropub.rocks later as that gives more detail
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snarfed morning!
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Loqi snarfed: jaduncan[m] left you a message 12 hours, 28 minutes ago: I just put a bug in the brid.gy tracker regarding the tendency for bridgy to create a wrongly ordered comment chain on Known.
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Loqi snarfed: jaduncan[m] left you a message 12 hours, 27 minutes ago: - https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/737
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Loqi *yawn*
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aaronpk good morning!
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GWG Hi, gang
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sknebel morning!
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gRegorLove Good afternoon, indieweb!
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gRegorLove Are there any micropub clients for posting photos directly, not from Swarm or Instagram?
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gRegorLove Based on /Micropub/Clients sounds like only the previous version of MobilePub did
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sknebel what do you mean by "directly"?
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aaronpk quill does
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gRegorLove Oh, cool!
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aaronpk i recently spiffed up the UI for that too
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aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/2017/02/24/24/day-66-quill
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Day 66: Nicer UI for Uploading Photos in Quill #100DaysOfIndieWeb
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gRegorLove sknebel: Just meant a client to upload a photo to. Thought there was only ones to publish from silos.
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sknebel ah, ok
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[kevinmarks] The quill editor lets you inline them too
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gRegorLove Like base64 encoded?
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aaronpk yes, but if you have a media endpoint it will send them there instead
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gRegorLove Hmm "Unknown JSON error: 5" when I authorize Quill.
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gRegorLove checks my logs
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aaronpk is that an error from quill?
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gRegorLove Yeah. "Got an error response from the token endpoint: invalid_request Unknown JSON error 5"
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gRegorLove Imagine it's on my end. I've been making lots of updates.
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aaronpk ah
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aaronpk where would you point someone to learn about how to receive webmentions
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/Webmention-developer i guess?
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tantek exactly, that's what that resource should describe, nice clear step-by-step "How to" for both implementing sending and receiving support
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tantek send them there, get feedback on what they get stuck on or confused by, and iteratively improve the doc
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@100daysindieweb Day 96: Documentation for OwnYourSwarm #100DaysOfIndieWeb: https://aaronparecki.com/2017/03/26/8/day-96-ownyourswarm-docs (twitter.com/_/status/846102600915169280)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Introduction to Complex Analysis | UCLA Extension by Jacob S. Hacker and Paul Pierson" by Jacob S. Hacker and Paul Pierson on 2017-03-26 http://boffosocko.com/2016/07/25/introduction-to-complex-analysis-ucla-extension/#comment-34228
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on ? Secret Life of Pets (Universal, 2016) by Jacob S. Hacker and Paul Pierson" by Jacob S. Hacker and Paul Pierson on 2017-03-26 http://boffosocko.com/2017/03/05/watched-secret-life-of-pets-universal-2016/#comment-34229
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on ? Creed (Warner Bros., 2015) by Jacob S. Hacker and Paul Pierson" by Jacob S. Hacker and Paul Pierson on 2017-03-26 http://boffosocko.com/2017/03/10/creed/#comment-34230
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on ? The Holcroft Covenant (Universal Pictures, 1985) by Jacob S. Hacker and Paul Pierson" by Jacob S. Hacker and Paul Pierson on 2017-03-26 http://boffosocko.com/2017/03/12/the-holcroft-covenant/#comment-34231
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GWG What is a coin?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "coin" yet. Would you like to create it?
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GWG What is Swarm?
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Loqi Swarm is a location app by Foursquare focused on checkins and showing nearby friends https://indieweb.org/Swarm
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GWG I have not joined Foursquare or Instagram. I wonder if I am missing something
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aaronpk i like foursquare because it shows me which of my friends have been to various places. it's very helpful when i'm in a new city
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GWG I like taking pictures... does that make me a good Instagram candidate?
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GWG I just, like checkins, try to limit myself​ to things people might find interesting
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GWG Anyone have a perspective on the benefits of Instagram?
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GWG Other than the fact you can not POSSE to it
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gRegorLove I think it's a pretty nice, easy UX. Scroll through a lot of photos quickly
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gRegorLove In my circles, it's pretty much the only place people post photos
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gRegorLove Even with FB, most of the photos I see there are auto cross-posted from IG
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GWG Still, the POSSE issue is one that has held me back
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aaronpk you mean that you can't POSSE to instagram?
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gRegorLove You can PESOS with ownyourgram
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gRegorLove I manually POSSE to IG for now.
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aaronpk that's the whole reason I made ownyourgram.com, because I actually like the instagram app for editing and posting photos
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GWG I suppose. I should test how that works with my setup
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gRegorLove If you support micropub photo posts, should work smoothly
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GWG I think I do
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GWG Is there an example of the structure of a Micropub ownmygram post?
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aaronpk http://ownyourgram.com/docs
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GWG It wouldn't recognize that as a photo post.
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GWG But I can fix that
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aaronpk why not?
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GWG aaronpk, because snarfed wrote the Micropub plugin and he's a minimalist
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aaronpk if there is a "photo" property it should treat it as a photo post
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GWG Not knocking it, but he prefers hand coding
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GWG It is probably going to only take me a few
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aaronpk "hand coding" meaning the photo is included in the post body in an img tag?
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GWG Yes, but I wouldn't speak for snarfed
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GWG I use explicit typing, which means I have to decide a combination of properties maps to a type
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gRegorLove Looking at the source code, Micropub for Wordpress supports photos
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gRegorLove What is Micropub for WordPress?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Micropub for WordPress" yet. Would you like to create it?
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gRegorLove Micropub for WordPress is a plugin to add a [[Micropub]] server endpoint to your site https://wordpress.org/plugins/micropub/
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Loqi ok
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GWG Gregorlove, I have to add code in Post Kinds that decides it is a photo post for display purposes
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GWG I realized when I checked I never did
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GWG It is likely because I wanted to make photo posts more detailed.
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GWG I remember the rabbit hole of Exif
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aaronpk don't worry about exif
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aaronpk exif is a rabbit hole https://aaronparecki.com/2016/07/16/8/geotagging-photos
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Where was I when I took this photo?
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GWG I think I just put the issue aside. But I should expand my explicit typing code to cover more.
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GWG aaronpk, I have too much to do to catch up with everything you have done
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aaronpk don't worry, in 5 days i'll stop making this much progress so quickly
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GWG aaronpk, you have a few year head start regardless
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GWG But I am not trying to compete. I just see what you have done and I say... I want that
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GWG I want the world... I want the whole world. I want lock it right up in my pocket.. it's my hosted website..
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GWG Okay, after that if my mind starts trying to come up with a silo themed Oompa Loompa verse, I need a break
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GWG Darn it...
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miklb evening