#indieweb 2017-03-27

2017-03-27 UTC
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Loqi [indieweb] "@aaranged saying microformats are not expressive enough is a deep misunderstanding. Read http://www.kevinmarks.com/microformatschema.html #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-03-23 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/aaranged-saying-microformats-are-not-expressive-enough-is-a-deep
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Loqi [indieweb] "#IIWFilm summarizes 10 years of Internet Identity conversations in 10 minutes - still lots to do https://youtu.be/SG2fWmFDt44 #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-03-23 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/iiwfilm-summarizes-10-years-of-internet-identity-conversations-in-10
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Loqi [indieweb] "Audience is an interesting term. This is what I call the “public” of the post as per j.mp/publics #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-03-22 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/audience-is-an-interesting-term-this-is-what-i-call
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Making /watch posts" http://eddiehinkle.com/article/2017/03/making-watch-posts.html
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[kevinmarks] seems my hosted known is now flaky about micropub - quill partly works, ownyourgram seems to, but inkstone and micropub.rocks don't
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cweiske what is "hosted" for you? self-hosted or hosted-by-withknown.com?
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[kevinmarks] hosted by withknown.com
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[eddie] What is Year in Review?
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Loqi Year in Review is a feature on some silos (like Facebook) as well as being a special kind of article on some indieweb sites that summarizes important aspects of the past year https://indieweb.org/Year_in_Review
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GWG Morning
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[kevinmarks] hm. I was feeling stuck on adding micropub to noterlive because my site is not handling it well, but I can test with micropub rocks first, can't I.
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[kevinmarks] hm, and woodwind is failing to poll sites too. Feels like lots of things are failing today
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tantek good morning #indieweb!
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sknebel morning!
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aaronpk happy monday!
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dgold yay!
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Loqi dgold: [kevinmarks] left you a message 2 days, 16 hours ago: Ignore the bit in typography handbook about not making text black
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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dgold for us, its `1st monday after the hideousness of DST`
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aaronpk welcome to the future!
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dgold I hate summer time
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dgold oh, this is (somewhat) interesting: http://github.hubspot.com/signet/
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tantek any other cities got venues for HWC 2017-04-05?
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@ChrisAldrich Growing list of educators & researchers who are using #indieweb. Who am I missing? #HigherEd #edtech #phdchat #DoOO https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/lists/educators-in-indieweb/members (twitter.com/_/status/846407208636174336)
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tantek !tell calumryan,barryf any HWC London next week 5th April?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell gRegorlove HWC Bellingham next week? (first Wednesday of the month)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell ChrisAldrich HWC LA next week?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek (BTW so far just Berlin, Portland, SF)
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tantek (confirmed)
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tantek and no one this week right?
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[kevinmarks] Possibly interesting https://blockstack.org/blog/serverless-sign-in-with-blockstack-auth
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tantek kevinmarks, are you posting dev stuff to the main channel again? ;)
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aaronpk that sounds like GPG auth
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Loqi [indieweb] "OwnYourSwarm is awesome! #indieweb #FTW I love the fact that one can use the fantastically and cleanly engineered mobile UIs of services like Swarm/Foursquare and" by Scott Kingery on 2017-03-27 http://techlifeweb.com/ownyourswarm-is-awesome-indieweb-ftw-i-love-the-fact-that-one-can-use-the-fantastically-and-cleanly-engineered-mobile-uis-of-services-like-swarmfoursquare-and/
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[mko] Glad somebody set up a Slack bridge to #indieweb. I don't have enough mental bandwidth to run IRC and Slack at the same time.
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[mko] Thanks to whomever did that
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tantek mko, that would be aaronpk who you can karma with ++ if you like :)
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tantek also note that the slack #dev and #chat channels are also bridged to here in IRC :)
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aaronpk (finally)
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tantek whoa - Swarm 4.13 claims to support OFFLINE CHECKINS!!!
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tantek what is an offline checkin
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aaronpk whaaaaaa
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "offline checkin" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek *updating*
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aaronpk that's exciting
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tantek OMS this was such an itch for me
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tantek I know I mentioned it on the wiki ages ago
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aaronpk wonder how that is going to affect ownyourswarm
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tantek good thing you have a few days left of 100days ;)
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@wakest anyone want to have an #indieweb meet up in New Orleans? (twitter.com/_/status/846424880459513856)
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[mko] Offline Checkin has been in beta for a while.
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aaronpk oh it's great
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[mko] It just basically caches and retries once you have an internet connection while saving your original checkin timestamp
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tantek how does it get the venue list?
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aaronpk it's clever. it just stores the *location* when you tap "check in"
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aaronpk and you pick the venue later
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tantek waaaaat?
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aaronpk screenshotting
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[mko] Yeah. It's really nice.
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[mko] Works similar to their "Forgot to checkin?" feature (which I use like CRAZY)
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aaronpk the "forgot to check in" feature isn't super useful for me because I never forget to check in ;-)
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tantek offline checkin is /checkin#offline_checkins
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Loqi ok
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aaronpk aha, i will need to update ownyourswarm for this
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[mko] I use it to silently checkin without notifying people.
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aaronpk it appears the offline checkins do not get sent via the realtime API
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tantek and now we have the notion of checkin time vs publishing time!
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[mko] Yeah. Same issue I had making my "forgot to checkin" checkins backfill in my database.
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aaronpk tantek: created-at vs published-at? tho i guess the way swarm works the checkin isn't even created until after the fact
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tantek dt-created is when the *author* *starts* creating the post
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tantek has nothing to do with anyone's backend creating any particular data structure
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tantek user-centric
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aaronpk in the case of these offline checkins, then dt-created is appropriate
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aaronpk since I did have to tap a button to start creating that checkin
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tantek right
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aaronpk but the automatic ones that swarm does itself aren't the same
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tantek what is created
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "created" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek created is the datetime when an author starts creating a [[post]], that is from the user's perspective, not when some backend specific data structure is created.
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Loqi ok
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tantek added a Features section to the /Swarm page - I'll leave it to you aaronpk to describe / expand on their offline support in the UI etc. section
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aaronpk i'm uploading screenshots now
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tantek also, welcome back mko!
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[cleverdevil] So, I just signed up for OwnYourSwarm (and re-activated my long-dormant Foursquare account).
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[cleverdevil] First checkin was caught, and supposedly posted to my site, but I don't see it.
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aaronpk [cleverdevil]: known might not support checkins via micropub?
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[cleverdevil] I am guessing you're right.
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[cleverdevil] Or, the version I'm running doesn't.
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[cleverdevil] Asking in #known.
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aaronpk yeah, I see a fail on my end
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aaronpk makes a note to provide more feedback in the interface
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aaronpk wonders if he should build a fallback mode where ownyourswarm posts a plaintext or HTML post with the checkin information for servers that don't support the checkin property
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[cleverdevil] That's not a bad idea.
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tantek no no no no -
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[cleverdevil] Known *does* support "Locations"
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tantek takes it to #indieweb-dev
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aaronpk yeah, Known has its own concept of checkins, so that's a good start. just need to enhance the micropub plugin to support checkins too
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[chrisaldrich] Ownyourcheckin used to work for me on Known, so I suspect it should work fundamentally
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Loqi [chrisaldrich]: tantek left you a message 1 hour, 37 minutes ago: HWC LA next week?
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aaronpk ownyourcheckin i believe used form-encoded requests and a couple of non-standard h-entry properties
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aaronpk tantek: documented https://indieweb.org/Swarm#Offline_Check-in_on_iOS
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tantek what are coins?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "coins" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is a coin?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "coin" yet. Would you like to create it?
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aaronpk reviews the Swarm page, finds horribly inaccurate information
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tantek uh oh
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aaronpk OwnYourSwarm is not POSSE, and "nothing automatic" is completely false
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[kevinmarks] It's should be under how to PESOS
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aaronpk i'm fixing that
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aaronpk done
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dgold "Known supports POSSEing checkins from your Known website to Swarm."
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dgold it does?
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aaronpk pretty sure i've seen benwerd do that?
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dgold ben's site appears to be having... difficulties
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dgold looks like he broke his Mongo
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tantek dgold, yeah hence I posted a feature request for a Known flatfile backend option ;)
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tantek to reduce dbtax
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dgold would also like a flatfile option
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[cleverdevil] How about SQLite?
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tantek yes I saw that comment :) not sure, would want to ask benwerd what he thought of that
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tantek I'm not a fan of depending on SQLite fileformat
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[cleverdevil] Fair. Another dependency.
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tantek https://github.com/idno/Known/issues/1668
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tantek it's a dev issue, and yet also a user issue
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[cleverdevil] Indeed.
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tantek since a user has to maintain the db for their site/blog etc.
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tantek (backups etc)
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[cleverdevil] Flat files would be neat.
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[cleverdevil] Performance would potentially take a hit of course. But probably fine for personal sites.
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aaronpk the main challenge with flat files is generating all the list pages
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tantek "generating" lol
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aaronpk especially when you want to have things like tag pages
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aaronpk yes generating
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tantek that sounds like a caching issue
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aaronpk yes
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aaronpk i said it was a challenge, not that it was impossible
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aaronpk there are a bunch of tradeoffs you have to make when deciding how to do it
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jmelesky if you're going flat file, why not just use a static site generator instead of being at all dynamic?
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aaronpk that's one of the tradeoffs
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jmelesky well, yeah
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KartikPrabhu flatfile does not imply statis though
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aaronpk i prefer to have some dynamic parts to my site for various reasons, even though i use flat file storage
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tantek also I've heard from others that static site gen is harder (doesn't work?) for mobile
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tantek aaronpk, same
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tantek can you add photos to offline checkins?
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tantek and do you get coins/points for offline checkins?
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aaronpk yes and yes
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aaronpk adding photos is written up on the swarm page
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tantek wow that is so high-res
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tantek hmm - rethinking my photo posting strategy
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aaronpk hm, i only got +1 coin for my test checkin, but it was not a terribly interesting checkin anyway so i'm not sure that's conclusive of anything
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aaronpk oh, the comment
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aaronpk "Who said time travel was impossible?! Remember to check in when you're at a place for even more coins!"
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tantek that's odd
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tantek hmm - your Swarm photo URL you provided is higher res that what you can access on the website
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aaronpk whoa
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aaronpk oh right! in the foursquare API I used the "original" media
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aaronpk they have API endpoints for retrieving photos at several resolutions, including "original"
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tantek yeah, 960px limit in the shorter direction
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tantek e.g. https://igx.4sqi.net/img/general/width960/476_NsAJO2EANvZAIknDbqlRDz79w4QL37MqKiMZmnYLm_Y.jpg
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tantek (not sure if you can see that)
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tantek I call that one "coffee time" btw ;)
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aaronpk from what i can tell, those URLs are all public. /capability_url
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aaronpk haha i just saw the clock
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tantek :D
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Loqi hehe
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tantek but even that is larger than IG
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tantek e.g. https://instagram.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/t51.2885-15/e35/17438882_396433294060628_5413959018529947648_n.jpg
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tantek just barely smaller, but still
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tantek hmm
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tantek and the multiphotos are smaller than single photos
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[cleverdevil] http://share.cleverdevil.io/6AAbGSkzX0.png
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[cleverdevil] Interesting... Keynote now lets you "Post interactive presentations on Medium, WordPress, and other websites"
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[cleverdevil] Downloading now to see what they mean by "other websites."
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aaronpk interesting
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[cleverdevil] (And, I suppose, by "WordPress" ... though, I am guessing its the XML-RPC API, not the new REST content endpoints).
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tantek what is Keynote?
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Loqi Keynote is an Apple proprietary software application for creating presentation files https://indieweb.org/Keynote
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tantek seriously, that Keynote?
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tantek aaronpk - sounds like a good chance to pitch Micropub support
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aaronpk for real
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[cleverdevil] Okay, installed, trying to find the feature... so far, not very discoverable ?
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[cleverdevil] Can't find it.
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[cleverdevil] Wondering if I also have to install the macOS update.
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[jeremycherfas] I've been perfectly happy with checkins on Known so far, but thinking now maybe I ought embrace foursquare and PESOS.
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@calum_ryan Preserving the permalink and responding with 410 response code on my website: changing how I delete posts https://calumryan.com/learning/removing-posts/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/846469892413018112)
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@EddieHinkle I've been manually logging TV shows I watch. That was tedious so I built an open source command line app #indieweb http://eddiehinkle.com/article/2017/03/making-watch-posts.html (twitter.com/_/status/846473045283868673)
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@100daysindieweb Day 97: Updated Known's Micropub Support #100DaysOfIndieWeb: https://aaronparecki.com/2017/03/27/9/day-97-known-micropub-json (twitter.com/_/status/846490403364753409)
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