#indieweb 2017-03-30

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tantek snarfed, as an example of why I've switched my photo posting practice, that photo you liked on IG, here is the version on my site: http://tantek.com/2017/087/t2/orange-curls-flower (click the image for a laptop background resolution)
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] a jpg. Seen on Sunday run, orange curls flower, SF Botanical Garden. #latergram #seenonmyrun #nofilter #run #GoldenGatePark #trailrun #citytrails #SF #CA #sundayrunday #SFBotanicalGarden #BotanicalGarden #flower... https://igx.4sqi.net/img/general/original/476_6okMrSK7odv1yjdu9-EkGf48WCp2NZck2JD_8gGv5zc.jpg
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snarfed tantek: oh definitely! i followed your motivations
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snarfed i was just curious about the new checkin req't, since for me at least, the *vast* majority of times i post photos, i'm not also checking in
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snarfed but vive la difference
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tantek yes I realize my behavior there is quite outlying ;)
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tantek snarfed - one "workaround" for that is to just checkin to whatever city you're in in the morning, and then use that checkin as the post to add photos to all day
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tantek in general check into a city when you enter it, e.g. after landing at an airport, or parking your car, disembarking a train
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snarfed yeah, very different patterns. i usually don't want to check in, period
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snarfed bbi10
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tantek I can understand that. In my case I'm building on existing patterns of behavior. I already checkin a lot. I already use a silo native app on my iPod to upload photos.
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benwerd aaronpk++ for Known love
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Loqi aaronpk has 480 karma in this channel (1259 overall)
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aaronpk ooh
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aaronpk benwerd++ for merging my PR!
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benwerd is back in the game
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aaronpk woo!
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tantek benwerd glad to hear it!
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tantek how's your June look? can you add your prefs here? https://indieweb.org/Planning#Summit
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chrisaldrich tantek++ for not only great photos on his site, but nice looking POSSE versions as well
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tantek Thanks chrisaldrich! It's been an iterative effort to be sure :)
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tantek Also a conscious effort to post more "uplifting" content in contrast to what most silo feeds seem to show these days
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chrisaldrich tantek: it looks like the URL for the photo is from 4sqi.net, are you archiving copies for yourself to future proof against /site-death?
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tantek hey that's what the Flickr copy is for ;)
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tantek multi-POSSE as probabilistic backup
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tantek chrisaldrich how does your June look? https://indieweb.org/Planning#Summit
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tantek GWG you too: https://indieweb.org/Planning#Summit
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tantek chrisaldrich - also, because I *link* to the high-res versions, that means my posting UI is automatically also pinging Internet Archive to backup my jpgs
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tantek e.g. https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20170329065534/https://igx.4sqi.net/img/general/original/476_6okMrSK7odv1yjdu9-EkGf48WCp2NZck2JD_8gGv5zc.jpg
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GWG tantek: Wide open, except I need to request from work
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GWG But I haven't taken any vacation yet in 2017, so I have time
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tantek GWG, how far in advance do you need to request?
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GWG Well, considering flight costs, as far in advance as I can.
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GWG But since my boss keeps giving me things to do, the earlier the better, so he can't give my time away
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tantek got it
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tantek well it looks like weekend afer OSBridge is in the lead
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tantek but it's a small sample size
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aaronpk a small but important sample size
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aaronpk i can already tell i'm going to be posting a lot less on instagram now that my foursquare photos go to my website
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tantek !tell adactio,ben_thatmustbeme,Jeena,petermolnar,Salt,sebsel,sknebel,tommorris,voxpelli,Zegnat hey because you're recognized in IRC (probably due to being signed in and /irc-people) can you make it to any of the dates here? add yourself! https://indieweb.org/Planning#Summit
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell acegiak,bear,bnvk,bret,dgold,KartikPrabhu,KevinMarks,martymcguire,rhiaro,ShaneHudson can you make it to any of the dates here? add your prefs! https://indieweb.org/Planning#Summit
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek (open to everyone, just pinging people I see on IRC that I know have been before, probably missed a few)
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chrisaldrich aaronpk: Who knew FourSquare was going to be morphed into a photo app?! Maybe they should pivot? ;)
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tantek hmm, an app that was a game of some sort morphing into a photo app. where I have seen that before
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tantek app/site
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chrisaldrich that's sarcasm right???
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aaronpk :ahem: flickr
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tantek :D
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GWG tantek: What about IWC NYC 2017?
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tantek GWG, gotta make it happen!!!
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GWG You said something about possibly having a lead in Brooklyn?
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GWG For a venue?
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tantek Not recalling right now. Let me do a neural search and get back to you.
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GWG I may be misremembering. It was when you were in Brooklyn, I think.
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tantek Sounds vaguel familiar. I'll see if I can find any specifics.
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chrisaldrich The other benefit to using foursquare/swarm for photos is better location data for your photo than instagram...
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GWG I don't know what to use anymore.
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[kevinmarks] Instagram used to use foursquare location data until the strategy tax got them
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Loqi [kevinmarks]: tantek left you a message 36 minutes ago: can you make it to any of the dates here? add your prefs! https://indieweb.org/Planning#Summit
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mblaney !tell cleverdevil I would be interested in your DreamHost challenge for dobrado. It might be helpful to have more information from you about how high the bar is for that to happen, or maybe a sandbox to try it out? That way a developer can decide how much work their project needs to meet requirements.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[cleverdevil] Just saw that aaronpk
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Loqi [cleverdevil]: mblaney left you a message 1 hour, 34 minutes ago: I would be interested in your DreamHost challenge for dobrado. It might be helpful to have more information from you about how high the bar is for that to happen, or maybe a sandbox to try it out? That way a developer can decide how much work their project needs to meet requirements.
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[cleverdevil] err aaronpk's pull request for Known got merged, and my initial tests with OwnYourSwarm worked great ?
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[cleverdevil] !tell mblaney shoot me an email with more details at jonathan at dreamhost and I'll take a look!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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mblaney cleverdevil: great, will do! assuming that's at dreamhost dot com?
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Loqi mblaney: [cleverdevil] left you a message 2 minutes ago: shoot me an email with more details at jonathan at dreamhost and I'll take a look!
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[cleverdevil] Yup!
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[cleverdevil] FWIW, I am happy to field requests from anyone in the IndieWeb community about how we can help.
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GWG [cleverdevil]: How far does that go?
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[cleverdevil] I'll put it this way: generally speaking, there's no harm in asking ?
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[cleverdevil] We've backed Manton's Kickstarter, we've hired people. we've funded open source work, etc.
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GWG [cleverdevil]: My wishlist is long.
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[cleverdevil] ?
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[cleverdevil] Bring it on.
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GWG Webmentions in WordPress?
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[cleverdevil] I can't boil the ocean.
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[cleverdevil] ?
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[cleverdevil] But, yeah, I'd love to see that!
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miklb [cleverdevil]++
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GWG Me too. I wrote the ticket.
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GWG Indiewebcamps?
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[cleverdevil] GWG, at the very minimum, I need to get you connected to Mike Schroder and Mika Epstein on our team.
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[cleverdevil] In terms of WordPress, its hard to find better folks than them for helping to navigate community blockers.
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[cleverdevil] We're already providing a location (and generally speaking, pizza) for HWC in Portland.
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[cleverdevil] Sponsorships are possible.
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miklb Ipstenu++
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[cleverdevil] Venues in LA, Portland, and Orange County are reasonably easy.
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GWG [cleverdevil]: I've never met Mike, but I met Mika briefly at Wordcamp NYC. She also evaluated one of my plugins.
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GWG [cleverdevil]: For LA, that's more chrisaldrich's region. I'm on the other side of the country.
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[cleverdevil] Cool!
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[cleverdevil] Yeah, we've met with chrisaldrich ?
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[cleverdevil] Anyway, please do reach out via email, and I'll get conversations rolling.
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GWG Work or personal?
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GWG I have both.
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[cleverdevil] Work, I suppose?
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GWG Done
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GWG It was brief.
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GWG Not sure what to write
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GWG My rants on WordPress and Indieweb get long
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[cleverdevil] That's perfect.
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[cleverdevil] I'll get you connected with Mike and Mika tomorrow.
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GWG [cleverdevil]: I was tempted to start the email... "I'm not a developer by trade, but I play the WordPress Ping and Trackback Component Maintainer."
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[cleverdevil] ?
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GWG [cleverdevil]: The irony of a Ping and Trackback component maintainer who wants to get rid of Trackbacks at the very least is not lost on me.
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@100daysindieweb Day 99: Making Micropub implementation reports more discoverable #100DaysOfIndieWeb: https://aaronparecki.com/2017/03/29/20/day99-micropub-rocks (twitter.com/_/status/847309057824243714)
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snarfed aaronpk do you have a grand finale planned for day 100?
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aaronpk Yeah I'm struggling with that right now :-)
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snarfed wrap-up blog post!
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aaronpk That's not a bad idea
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GWG I say a cliffhanger...
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Zegnat !tell tantek thanks for the shout-out for Summit 2017, but now that I have quit my job U.S. travel is definitively off the table.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi Zegnat: tantek left you a message 5 hours, 14 minutes ago: hey because you're recognized in IRC (probably due to being signed in and /irc-people) can you make it to any of the dates here? add yourself! https://indieweb.org/Planning#Summit
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@grantcodes Day 79 of #100DaysOfCode: Updated the omibear #indieweb chrome extension to use my micropub library (twitter.com/_/status/847362925043961858)
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@jkphl ⌛ Only 2 more days and we'll close applications for the #IndieWebWeek travel assistance fund. Take your chance! http://indiewebweek.indieweb.org/#travel-assistance-fund (twitter.com/_/status/847365154660470785)
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@IndieWebCampDE ⌛ Nur noch heute & morgen: Lass dir helfen, zum @indiewebcamp im Mai zu kommen, und bewirb dich auf den Travel Fund http://indiewebweek.indieweb.org/#travel-assistance-fund (twitter.com/_/status/847365795763986434)
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jeremycherfas Morning
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jeremycherfas Getting an error from indieauth on indieweb.org. “Mechanize::ResponseCodeError at /auth/start 502 => Net::HTTPBadGateway for https://github.com/jeremycherfas -- unhandled response” Means nothing to me. Github is up. Any ideas?
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jeremycherfas !tell chrisaldrich I can’t get in to a talk page on https://indieweb.org/academic_samizdat but wanted to know how you would feel about including Sci-Hub as an example of the response to academic publisher lock-in.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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dgold ru-roh
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Loqi dgold: tantek left you a message 8 hours, 39 minutes ago: can you make it to any of the dates here? add your prefs! https://indieweb.org/Planning#Summit
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dgold Sempress not appearing as a Theme in WP
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jeremycherfas What do you mean? You’ve downloaded and it isn’t there?
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[dgold] I've installed wp, I've gone to the install themes gallery, and it is not there.
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[dgold] seNpress is there, so I'll proceed with that. 1st roadblock.
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jeremycherfas Ah. Not sure about that. But you can always download it from the repo
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jeremycherfas I see it here https://theme.wordpress.com/themes/sempress/
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jeremycherfas Maybe capitalisation matters
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jeremycherfas Mind you, that’s on com not org
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cweiske "I helped my uncle Jack off the horse" vs. "I helped my uncle jack off the horse"
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jeremycherfas Cweiske++
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dgold I don't think capitalisation matters in a wp theme search
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dgold nope
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dgold jeremycherfas: I have no information on how to install from the repo.
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dgold there is no information provided in the repo's readme
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jeremycherfas download the theme. Upload to wp-content/themes/ and it will appear in the themes tab.
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jeremycherfas That’s, er, unfortunate.
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dgold I'm writing this up as an onboarding experience, jeremy
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jeremycherfas I know tantek will be happy.
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jeremycherfas Dgold: BTW, PM
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dgold no - I haven't yet, jeremycherfas, I need to rewrite it to be useful to others. but thanks for the prompt
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jeremycherfas No rush, I’m sure.
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dgold Is there a reason that Known instances are not recognised providers for the purpose of IndieAuth?
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dgold install of WP going well, btw.
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dgold few nigglies, but nothing major
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jeremycherfas Dgold: Good to know.
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Loqi [indieweb] "Day 8: A specification for rel=canonical, by request #100DaysOfIndieWeb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-03-28 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/day-8-a-specification-for-relcanonical-by-request-100daysofindieweb
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Loqi [indieweb] "@aaranged saying microformats are not expressive enough is a deep misunderstanding. Read http://www.kevinmarks.com/microformatschema.html #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-03-23 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/aaranged-saying-microformats-are-not-expressive-enough-is-a-deep
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vicsy hi
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Loqi [indieweb] "Doing it the Hard Way" by dgold@ascraeus.org (Daniel Goldsmith) on 2017-03-30 https://ascraeus.org/doing-it-the-hard-way
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[kevinmarks] hi vicsy
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vicsy hi
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petermolnar vicsy; again, hi. the instructions to "sign up" to indieweb.org are clearly indicated on http://indieweb.org/getting_started : get a domain, place a url with rel="me" to a silo - eg. twitter -, add your url to your twitter profile, and you're done. However, may I ask why do you want to "sign up" to indieweb.org?
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Loqi petermolnar: tantek left you a message 12 hours, 3 minutes ago: hey because you're recognized in IRC (probably due to being signed in and /irc-people) can you make it to any of the dates here? add yourself! https://indieweb.org/Planning#Summit
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petermolnar !tell tantek re: summit - I can't make it to the US, it's way out of my budget.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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vicsy hi how are you le pongo este titulo y no sale nada vicsyalexandra.com/(Twitter,
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petermolnar right...
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bnvk wholly cow, I didn't check my IRC client in a few days- most rooms (5 - 10 msgs), the #indieweb (2.2k msgs) :P
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Loqi bnvk: tantek left you a message 12 hours, 4 minutes ago: can you make it to any of the dates here? add your prefs! https://indieweb.org/Planning#Summit
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jonnybarnes so was viscy a bot?
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jonnybarnes vicsy even
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petermolnar probably
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petermolnar interestingly it (?) poked me with pm help them
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@EddieHinkle 088/365: I added the ability to display reactions and replies on my website. #Eddie365 #day88of365 #indieweb https://twitter.com/EddieHinkle/status/847448406259875840/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/847448406259875840)
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snarfed dgold++ for https://ascraeus.org/doing-it-the-hard-way/
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Loqi Doing it the Hard Way
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snarfed btw dgold wordpress-micropub doesn't have a media endpoint, but it does support uploading photos as multipart/form-data directly, or by URL reference. curious what made you think otherwise.
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@keithjgrant @danielsdeboer You should get on the indieweb, dan ? (http://keithjgrant.com/replies/2017/03/51992/) (twitter.com/_/status/847455501843521537)
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@danielsdeboer @keithjgrant I'll bite, what's an indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/847457045427228672)
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Viewing webmentions" http://eddiehinkle.com/article/2017/03/viewing-webmentions.html
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@danielsdeboer @keithjgrant http://indieweb.org/Getting_Started - this seems like a thing for the tech literate 1% so not really great for grandma (twitter.com/_/status/847459562806325254)
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jeremycherfas Dgold++ for his write up of installing WordPress for indieweb
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@schnarfed @keithjgrant @danielsdeboer https://indieweb.org/generations (twitter.com/_/status/847464070223503360)
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GWG Where is this write up?
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jeremycherfas : [indieweb] "Doing it the Hard Way" by dgold@ascraeus.org (Daniel Goldsmith) on 2017-03-30 https://ascraeus.org/doing-it-the-hard-way
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Loqi Doing it the Hard Way
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GWG Thanks
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jeremycherfas You’re welcome.
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GWG The gravatar thing is a common WordPress complaint. I wonder if it is worth recommending a local avatar plugin in the Indieweb plugin
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GWG Gives me Ideas
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GWG Taking notes
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GWG Looks like dgold has the same problem I do. What the difference is between like and favorite
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[kevinmarks] Heart ♥ or star ?
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GWG KevinMarks, I will wait for the clover and moon.
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GWG But more in usage
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GWG acegiak, for example, uses one to identify things, the other specific urls
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GWG For example, I favorite​d The Beatles. I like KevinMarks new article.
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GWG But that's one person
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GWG snarfed, I see Micropub got an update
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snarfed GWG: eh just small things i added months ago but hadn't released yet
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jeremycherfas GWG: I think many of us have that problem :)
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GWG snarfed, I will get back to another Micropub PR, but I keep getting issues to work on elsewhere
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GWG snarfed, by the way, did you ever upgrade Syndication Links? I forgot to follow up on that with you
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dgold snarfed - I'm happy to be corrected, believe me
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dgold (media uploads)
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GWG dgold, read your piece
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GWG I filed some issues against the Indieweb plugins you referenced as notes
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snarfed GWG: yes! i did upgrade it, working great. thanks!
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dgold thanks GWG
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dgold snarfed - which micropub.rocks test would give me a positive result?
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GWG snarfed, I am always happy to return the favor of your effort with my effort
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dgold atm I'm not getting photos in the 200s
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snarfed dgold: wp-micropub is on the public server implementation report page, #5: https://micropub.rocks/implementation-reports/servers/
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GWG dgold, no, thank you. several of them are going to go in quick. The documentation ones are what we need
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snarfed e.g. tests 11-13
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dgold have I done something wrong then, or missed a configuration step/
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snarfed dgold: not sure! i'd need a lot more details. feel free to throw them in a github issue. and sorry for the trouble!
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dgold :) its not trouble at all, I enjoyed the experience of writing that up.
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GWG dgold, I may ask you to look at the changes
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sknebel dgold++
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Loqi sknebel: tantek left you a message 14 hours, 29 minutes ago: hey because you're recognized in IRC (probably due to being signed in and /irc-people) can you make it to any of the dates here? add yourself! https://indieweb.org/Planning#Summit
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sknebel dgold: For links like the one to the first post created by micropub, do you have a copy of the html as it is now around, so if you improve display later you can show off the difference?
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sknebel (and as someone who hasn't tried WP I'd love some screenshots of confusing configuration screens, but I totally get that I'm not the primary audience)
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dgold sknebel: hadn't thought to do that - do you mean copy of the html generated by WP?
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sknebel yes, so you can link to a static .html file later, for comparison
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sknebel (assumig you plan on doing changes worth showing off there)
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dgold oh, I certainly do. this journey is just at the start - I'm _hoping_ to write a custom publication method for /reading content.
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[kevinmarks] canoe << https://twitter.com/darth/status/847480887373570049
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@darth https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8LbWCgVwAEHvkF.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/847480887373570049)
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/darth/status/847480887373570049" to the "See Also" section of /canoe
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sknebel dgold: e.g. if someone reads the first article later and reads "posted a Hello World – It looked rough on the site, however the principle of the thing was established - ", then it would be helpful if it stil looked rough, that's what I mean
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@benwerd This is really cool. #indieweb #iiw https://twitter.com/mattervc/status/847478920907694082 (twitter.com/_/status/847481994325839877)
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dgold sknebel: screengrab or html? hmmm, I need to put some screengrabs in my article as illustrations...
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[kevinmarks] canoe << https://twitter.com/panzer/status/847480449727307780
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@panzer Dear god they actually shipped it https://techcrunch.com/2017/03/30/twitter-stops-counting-replies-towards-its-140-characters/ (twitter.com/_/status/847480449727307780)
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/panzer/status/847480449727307780" to the "See Also" section of /canoe
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dgold wordpressers - how can/should I configure it so that a mpubbed post has a username/authorname attached?
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sknebel I personally would probably prefer HTML for it (since some changes might not be directly visible), but screengrabs work to
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[cleverdevil] Good morning, IndieWeb.
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[eddie] I wanted to be able to get webmention notifications without having to do anything intense. I found out node.js has a module to create a local macOS notification. So I was able to re-use a bunch of code that I’m using for my site and created a local node.js app that runs in the background on my computer and pings me when there is a new webmention! Pretty excited. This is the lazy version, but it’s a nice start.
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[eddie] https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-F4SRTR92S/screenshot_2017-03-30_12.13.10.png?pub_secret=ede337c8df&name=Screenshot 2017-03-30 12.13.10.png
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[eddie] https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-F4S6Y15M2/screenshot_2017-03-30_12.14.05.png?pub_secret=eddf9b08de&name=Screenshot 2017-03-30 12.14.05.png
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aaronpk that's awesome
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[eddie] Since my site doesn't update automatically yet, view takes me to the source URL
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willnorris just wanted to drop by and drop a note folks might be interested in... I was particulalry happy that we managed to support fragmentions on the new Google Open Source site (just in the docs section): https://opensource.google.com/docs/releasing/#process+for+releasing
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aaronpk !
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aaronpk amazing
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KartikPrabhu nice!
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Loqi KartikPrabhu: tantek left you a message 1 day, 22 hours ago: one possible use-case for SOURCE URLs with fragments, curious what you think: https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-03-28#t1490725161795000
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Loqi KartikPrabhu: tantek left you a message 15 hours, 24 minutes ago: can you make it to any of the dates here? add your prefs! https://indieweb.org/Planning#Summit
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[eddie] Wow! That’s awesome
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aaronpk i like the fade effect
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KartikPrabhu willnorris: if you are using Jonathan Neal's script you should definitely let him know!
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KartikPrabhu he'd love it
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willnorris yeah, we are.
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KartikPrabhu !tell tantek: your display idea for a source URL with fragments (from https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-03-28#t1490725161795000 ) sounds pretty neat!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [tantek] right now when a post shows "Mentions" (beyond specific comments, likes etc.)
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snarfed willnorris++ awesome!
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snarfed btw dgold re wordpress micropub, when your mp client auths, if the authed URL matches a wordpress user's profile URL, it will make them the post's author
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martymcguire[m] [eddie]++ for your awesome mention display and quick notification setup
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[keithjgrant] https://mastadon.social
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[keithjgrant] Does that use indieweb/w3c standards?
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[keithjgrant] What is Mastadon
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Mastadon" yet. Would you like to create it?
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aaronpk what is mastodon?
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Loqi Mastodon is an open source implementation of a federated social network that is compatible with GNU Social https://indieweb.org/Mastodon
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[keithjgrant] oh! I can't spell
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[keithjgrant] ?
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dgold snarfed: I auth'd using my dev twitter a/c - that a/c is paired (obviously) with my user account on the WP instance -- but all my posts show as 'by '
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snarfed dgold: understood! paired by rel-me maybe, but not by user url, since twitter's is obviously on twitter.com
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snarfed you can try switching it from indieauth to wordpress's own auth, that will definitely pick up the wordpress user. details in the docs.
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snarfed that should maybe be the default. feel free to post details in a github issue. thanks again for testing!
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singpoly1a I liked the idea with Mastodon, but then it was all js;dr :P
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[cleverdevil] Nicely done, aaronpk - https://cleverdevil.io/2017/checked-into-dreamhost-west
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Loqi [Jonathan LaCour] Checked into DreamHost West DreamHost West Work, work, work!
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[cleverdevil] OwnYourSwarm++
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aaronpk woo!
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aaronpk awesome
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[cleverdevil] One thing I noticed is that OwnYourSwarm still pushes across "off the grid" checkins.
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aaronpk ahhhh and the comment too, that's so great
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aaronpk ooh, i didn't even think about that. i never do off the grid checkins
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[cleverdevil] Oh, and unless I'm wrong, checkins are posted at current date/time rather than at time of actual checkin in Swarm.
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[cleverdevil] May be an issue if I do an offline checkin and then it syncs up when I hop back online again.
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aaronpk ownyourswarm sends the published date, but i don't think Known supports backdating posts in the micropub endpoint
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aaronpk probably an easy fix for known
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[cleverdevil] Gotcha.
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[cleverdevil] If I get some time, I'll file a bug on this later.
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aaronpk ah, there's a "private: true" field for off-the-grid checkins
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aaronpk filed: https://github.com/aaronpk/OwnYourSwarm/issues/15
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[cleverdevil] Oh, I had another thought... I wonder if it would be possible to leverage IFTTT to create some of these integrations.
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[cleverdevil] Maybe having a more general "webmention" and "micropub" actions on the IFTTT side, and then wiring up things like Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, Foursquare, etc.
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aaronpk totally. you can already do micropub requests on ifttt using their "Maker" channel
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aaronpk it's kind of awkward, and you can't set HTTP headers, so you have to include the access token in the post body
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[cleverdevil] Interesting.
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aaronpk i'd like to see them provide some more options in the maker channel
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aaronpk i have my withings scale set up to make micropub requests via IFTTT, because i couldn't get the withings api to work
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[cleverdevil] Might also be nice to bundle together all of the OwnYour* services into a single OwnYourSelf service.
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[cleverdevil] Sort of the IFTTT of IndieWeb.
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aaronpk maybe :) i'm not super inclined to do that tho, not sure the benefit of it really
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[cleverdevil] Discoverability?
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aaronpk i'd love to see an actual Micropub channel in IFTTT. if anyone knows someone who can make that happen i'm all ears
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[cleverdevil] Having a central dashboard of all of the events?
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[cleverdevil] I'll see if I know anyone over at IFTTT...
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KartikPrabhu isn't the "central dashboard" your own site?
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[cleverdevil] Hmm... point taken.
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sknebel depends on what the "central dashboard" is for I guess. For the results of the "automation", kind of, for in-process parts less so? (e.g. if something goes missing you have to hunt on external dashboards instead of having something local that shows everything)
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sknebel but making something really good you can run locally would also be a massive effort
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miklb so seems like Twitter is finally not counting @reply in character count. Hope that makes it into the API https://blog.twitter.com/2017/now-on-twitter-140-characters-for-your-replies
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aaronpk i'm going to wait before updating any of my code to see if they revert that decision
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aaronpk i don't think this is going to go well
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miklb I see a lot of complaints from people using native clients
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snarfed miklb: it actually went into the API way back in may 2016
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miklb so took a year for them to implement and everyone is complaining ?
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snarfed er, sorry, sept 2016. still.
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tantek willnorris: still around? can you see if you can make any of these dates in Portland for IndieWebSummit 2017?
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Loqi tantek: Zegnat left you a message 12 hours, 28 minutes ago: thanks for the shout-out for Summit 2017, but now that I have quit my job U.S. travel is definitively off the table.
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Loqi tantek: petermolnar left you a message 5 hours, 38 minutes ago: re: summit - I can't make it to the US, it's way out of my budget.
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Loqi tantek: KartikPrabhu left you a message 2 hours, 11 minutes ago: your display idea for a source URL with fragments (from https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-03-28#t1490725161795000 ) sounds pretty neat!
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tantek whooooooo
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tantek willnorris: check this out and add your prefs! https://indieweb.org/Planning#Summit
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tantek !tell bnvk,zegnat,petermolnar,sknebel would you be able to help make a simultaneous IWC Berlin (or other European city) happen the same weekend at IndieWebSummit in Portland? We did it a few years ago with bnvk organizing and it was great!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek ok since KartikPrabhu says it's "pretty neat" I suppose I should write it up as a Brainstorm on the wiki :)
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sknebel tantek: Berlin is already scheduled for November (thanks to Joschi, who already managed to get a venue months ago)
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Loqi sknebel: tantek left you a message 2 minutes ago: would you be able to help make a simultaneous IWC Berlin (or other European city) happen the same weekend at IndieWebSummit in Portland? We did it a few years ago with bnvk organizing and it was great!
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tantek sknebel - yes this would be a IWS Berlin simultaneous location, at the same time as IWS in Portland, with video streaming/sharing etc.
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tantek a little different from a separate IWC
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tantek I'm hoping that you can connect with the Mozilla Berlin folks and use that space!
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martymcguire[m] i've only ever been to Portland while on a train from CA to Seattle. looking forward to attending my first IWS!
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tantek great martymcguire[m] !
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tantek hmm, looking like June 24-25 is by far the best option.
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gRegorLove Being around OSBridge could bring in some people too.
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tantek gRegorLove: it certainly did in 2011, not really in 2012 or 2014, but we could try again!
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tantek especially if there are more indieweb talks in OSBridge itself it could get people excited to come out for the weekend
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dgold can anyone advise on how I can turn *off* the WP-comments facility, but leave mentions *on*?
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tantek GREAT question. And frankly, should be a [x] checkbox setting in the Webmention plugin
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tantek Like: [x] Only show Webmention responses, turn-off local WordPress-only comments
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dgold yes - that would be what I'd have liked to see
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tantek dgold, file a feature request for the for the Webmention plugin!
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tantek for *that
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dgold will do...
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dgold course, I'd like 'likes' to be a facepile too, but passive agressiveness works for github issues, right?
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tantek heh - totally fair to file that as a feature request as well :)
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dgold done.
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snarfed dgold: until that plugin option exists, a low tech workaround is to hide the comment form with CSS
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dgold hope the writeup was what you hand in mind yesterday tantek - i really enjoyed doing it so far.
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dgold snarfed: added to the [todo] list - thanks
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miklb dgold the Semantic Linkbacks plugin has a function to retrieve just likes to turn into a facepile
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[eddie] dgold: did you post your writeup somewhere specific? Your blog? the wiki?
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[dgold] Eddie: https://ascraeus.org/doing-it-the-hard-way/
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[eddie] awesome :thumbsup:
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Loqi Doing it the Hard Way
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GWG Did someone say they wanted a WordPress feature?
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miklb GWG can I roll back post-kinds to previous version to reverse the new method of retrieving? Or older?
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GWG miklb, yes. 2.5.0
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miklb cool.
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@EddieHinkle Viewing webmentions on my website #indieweb http://eddiehinkle.com/article/2017/03/viewing-webmentions.html (twitter.com/_/status/847556830565937152)
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[dgold] Eddie: tiny thing, hardly worth mentioning: the using page on your site; it's Matt *G*emmell
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[eddie] nice catch dgold! Darn those typos ?
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[dgold] I have to ask: what are you using for your site?
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[dgold] You're book reviews element are exactly what I'm looking for at my own place
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[eddie] dgold: I'm using a custom Jekyll static site generator, powered by a Node.js backend to add dynamic functionality
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[eddie] My goal is to make more and more of the site run by the node.js backend over time and then make it installable
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[eddie] But right now it's a big bowl of spaghetti lol
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[dgold] Well, it looks incredible
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[cleverdevil] Looks great, eddie.
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[cleverdevil] eddie++
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[eddie] Thanks guys ? the big thing for me wth Jekyll is that it's super easy to add stuff to and to edit the template. Helps me to iterate quickly while I'm figuring things out. Then once I've built stuff out pretty well then I can take that structure and move it into a more long-term sustainable environment
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@acegiak @expectproblems I keep hoping Indieweb/decentralised stuff will be ready to take up the helm but capitalism works against that (twitter.com/_/status/847578041446354944)
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gRegorLove Woo, looks like we have a venue for IWC Bellingham!
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@acegiak @lizduckchong and it's indieweb compatible! (twitter.com/_/status/847581490896449536)
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tantek gRegorLove++ great!
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@ChrisAldrich @cdevroe Checking in to see if you ever finally got Brid.gy set up properly? Or did you give up on it? http://indieweb.org/WordPress_with_Bridgy (twitter.com/_/status/847582242352320512)
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tantek hmm re: that acegiak thread: https://twitter.com/expectproblems/status/847576589072179200
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@expectproblems Usenet, IRC, ICQ, Livejournal, etc… Facebook and Twitter are aberrations in that they keep on and, have hit a degree of mainstream-ness. (twitter.com/_/status/847576589072179200)
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tantek have any publicly traded silos ever shutdown or died?
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Salt gRegorLove, w00t
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Loqi Salt: tantek left you a message 21 hours, 32 minutes ago: hey because you're recognized in IRC (probably due to being signed in and /irc-people) can you make it to any of the dates here? add yourself! https://indieweb.org/Planning#Summit
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aaronpk Salt: saw your osbridge proposal! I hope it gets accepted!
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tantek :)
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[acegiak_net] so I thought mastodon supported webmentions but I was wrong so now I've created an account and I'mma look into updating whisperfollow so that I can use it to follow my twitter feed and my mastodon feed along with rss feeds
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tantek acegiak: do you know what Mastodon *does* support in terms of indieweb building blocks?
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tantek what is mastodon
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Loqi Mastodon is an open source implementation of a federated social network that is compatible with GNU Social https://indieweb.org/Mastodon
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[acegiak_net] it supports mf2
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[acegiak_net] like, hfeed etc
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tantek ok cool - would be great if you could verify https://indieweb.org/Mastodon#Building_Blocks and update as needed!
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[acegiak_net] the reason I'm creating an account and gonna try using the api to read posts is specifically because a lot of people in my communities are likely going to make more liberal use of mastodon's privacy settings etc which I can't get through h-feed scraping etc
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tantek dgold++ for https://ascraeus.org/doing-it-the-hard-way/ - Great write-up and yes this is exactly that kind of thing that is VERY valuable for the awesome folks here maintaining / improving the WordPress indieweb setup with plugins and such like GWG, snarfed, miklb etc.
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Loqi Doing it the Hard Way
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snarfed [acegiak_net]: curious if https://twitter-atom.appspot.com/ works in whisperfollow?
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[acegiak_net] ooh!
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[acegiak_net] that might make things much simpler!
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[acegiak_net] documentation needs updating which doesn't make me super hopeful ?
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