#indieweb 2017-04-04

2017-04-04 UTC
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snarfed ok, i'll go with [has an mf2 class OR has a micropub or webmention endpoint]
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tantek snarfed, sounds like a decent heuristic
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tantek yeah if it has a top level h-card, h-feed, or collection of h-entry that's already "indieweb" enough to show in reply-contexts etc.
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tantek and strongly agreed about micropub or webmention endpoint
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snarfed thx
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[kevinmarks] Aaronpk you could add the incantation so it is full size on mobile?
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[kevinmarks] Overlap with hwc? https://techsolidarity.org/events/sf_april_5.html
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aaronpk i'm so unreasonably pleased with having my checkins on my website including the coins swarm sends me
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tantek it looks SO GOOD
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tantek kevinmarks the tech solidarity events all start later than HWC
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tantek so not much if any overlap
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tantek they don't actually get started til at least 19:30 or so, more like 19:45 in my experience
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snarfed1 aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 484 karma in this channel (1264 overall)
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aaronpk the only thing is i'm not sure whether it's good or bad that now the majority of my home page is checkins (with photos)
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aaronpk (checkins without photos don't get added to my home page)
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tantek oh right this is the filter you're iterating on
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[kevinmarks] Hoping mine get to known sometime soon. It'll take Ben merging your new micropub and deploying the hosted version
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aaronpk it's merged!
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aaronpk [cleverdevil] has been using it!
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tantek aaronpk - I like your home page with the photos
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tantek tbh the way you present checkins-with-photos look more like photo posts with location info than "checkins" - at least as I scroll by
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tantek I think that's a good way to do it
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aaronpk yeah they are very similar, the only difference is the "at ______" and having the location+timestamp in the header.
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tantek IG puts location and timestamp there too right? or maybe they moved timestamp to below the photo (years ago)
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aaronpk i think i need some minor tweak to make them look more like check-ins, but i like it for the most part
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tantek I don't know - I think they look quite nice as is
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tantek and the subtle clues of 45 coins etc.
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tantek swarm icon
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aaronpk my thought was that having the time at the top of the post would give it more of an indication of being something that happened right then
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tantek sort of
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tantek it would if you showed it as a delta time
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tantek minutes ago
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tantek just now
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aaronpk ooh hmm
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aaronpk i will have to think about that
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aaronpk i don't like relative times once they're older than a day or so
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tantek and then *especially* if you had aggregate stats on how long you typically stayed at each location
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tantek and listed that too!
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aaronpk but they are more helpful for things that happened recently
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tantek at Loyal Legion 10 minutes ago, and typically here for about 30 min at a time.
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aaronpk hmm tricky. I technically have the data, but not in that form yet
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tantek if you really wanted to make it feel like "now"
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tantek like actual "now"
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tantek in contrast to nownownow
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tantek what is nownownow
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "nownownow" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is now
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Loqi A now page is a page that tells you what a person is focused on at this point in their life https://indieweb.org/Now
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tantek yeah that thing
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tantek ah yes this is where I point out as predicted that the examples of "now" are already out of date a month after the fact
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tantek e.g. chrisaldrich's http://boffosocko.com/now/ still lists HWC 2017-03-08
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Loqi [Jacob S. Hacker and Paul Pierson] What Iā€™m Doing Now
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tantek "Last updated March 12, 2017."
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aaronpk at least it says when it was last updated
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tantek yep
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aaronpk i wonder how i could make a "still here" icon
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tantek the photos are good aaronpk
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aaronpk probably something with movement, like a pulsing green dot
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tantek subtle "still here icon" idea: blue dot
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aaronpk blue! of course
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tantek like the blue dot on a map
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tantek pulsing animated blue dot gif
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aaronpk i certainly have the data to do that with, since you know, my phone's battery life is in the header of my site :)
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aaronpk i might need to do 100 weeks of indieweb, so that i can have an excuse to ship random features like this :)
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tantek yeah!
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tantek that takes the daily stress off
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aaronpk it both takes the daily stress off, and also gives me an opportunity to do things i wouldn't otherwise plan time for because it feels like i'm not doing something else i'm supposed to be doing
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miklb anyone looking to fund an IndieWeb project? https://medium.com/@nayafia/5-000-no-strings-attached-9e7b95d33e50
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tantek wait the getting rid of egg default icon on Twitter wasn't an april fools joke?
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tantek https://abs.twimg.com/sticky/default_profile_images/default_profile_400x400.png
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miklb GWG do you know of a good link off top of your head about mf2 and WP themes? I recall a trac ticket but not sure what to search for.
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GWG How to do them?
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GWG Or putting them into WordPress Core?
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miklb no, the discussion about supporting mf2 in the themes
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miklb yes, Core.
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GWG It was a Trac ticket
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miklb is writing a companion blog post to your comments post
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GWG I could probably find it.
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miklb https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/30783 <- this one?
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GWG Yes
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gRegorLove Can't archive an NYT article with the Wayback Machine apparently; it just gets the paywall login.
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tantek good evening #indieweb!
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@kevinmarks KYLI by @edent: https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2017/03/kyli-because-it-is-superior-to-json/ not sure if this is a genuine proposal or a coded plea to use TSV instead of CSV #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/849153131783102464)
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@ndwpdx @Meaningness @puellavulnerata @maradydd @bitemyapp @0xdeadbabe https://indieweb.org/ ? (twitter.com/_/status/849163584902840320)
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@kevinmarks @Meaningness No, it's called "owning a domain name" and has a huge ecosystem. #indieweb 0 (twitter.com/_/status/849181276187873280)
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jeremycherfas Good morning
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jeremycherfas @seanflanagan Re: https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-04-03/1491259792597000 if Spectrum is free, who is the customer?
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Loqi [seanflannagan] Every product wants you to join their Slack, but would be easier to click to a website (https://spectrum.chat/ https://indieweb.org/irc/today?%29=...
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jeremycherfas !tell @seanflannagan Ooops. Typo earlier. Re: https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-04-03/1491259792597000 if Spectrum is free, who is the customer?
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Loqi [seanflannagan] Every product wants you to join their Slack, but would be easier to click to a website (https://spectrum.chat/ https://indieweb.org/irc/today?%29=...
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dgold kevinmarks: I've read the entirety of that screed -- what's he actually positing?
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dgold because, in between all the whitespace, all I can make out of it is something to do with blockchain
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dgold oh, jjustrealised I was missing a few posts.
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dgold PGP? he's stating that as the panacea? oh, wow.
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[kevinmarks] I see a lot of this with the decentralized web people, who think that the actually decentralized fungible infrastructure we have should be replaced with a crypto based monoculture
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dgold [kevinmarks]: I've been using PGP since, well, a long time. I have _once_ received an encrypted message, I have never (save on specialist mailing lists) received a digitally signed message
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dgold PGP is a pain in the fundament, and the WoT model is fundamentally broken
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dgold that said, if anyone wants a keybase invite, I have many
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[kevinmarks] Though I had a big grump at Signal for just delegating id to phone sim
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jeremycherfas Could the relaunched Upcoming.org meet the need for an indieweb event site?
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raucao maybe if it would accept webmentions for RSVPs?
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@EatPodcast Matt Mullenweg talking to James Altucher kinda sorta gets #indieweb: https://www.jamesaltucher.com/2017/03/matt-mullenweg/ (twitter.com/_/status/849244596647464961)
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jaduncan[m] tantek: Bonus of the no more egg thing: the head still looks like an egg. I await eggheads becoming a less useful term.
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[eddie] aaronpk cleverdevil something that might be helpful regarding the health discussion yesterday would be a brainstorm on what the h-entry might look like for that. Would a day post of the Activity have a root level h-entry of stats with nested h-entries of specific activity? Or would it post a separate Micropub request with an h-entry for each separate activity for that day, etc? Having some brainstorming around that could help in the event that I hav
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[eddie] with some of those ideas in Xcode, because the hardest part for me would be figuring out the microformats for the request
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[cleverdevil] Good question! Maybe we could use the wiki as a place to submit ideas on that front?
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miklb lol can't decide if its a feature or a bug that I failed to include the comment form in my site refresh
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[eddie] miklb ??
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tantek miklb: definitely a feature ;)
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GWG I have no problem with local comments because I want to be as open as possible. And at the moment, comments are few
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GWG I am overdue to work on my theme. It is a bit buggy
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GWG Too much to do, too little time.
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tantek GWG, you are fortunate you don't have benwerd's problems then
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tantek most of his posts it seems get spammed by local comments
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tantek or perhaps WordPress has better local comment moderation than Known ;)
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GWG No one cares to comment
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miklb I may still selectively allow native comments, but want to have them
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snarfed nativecomments++
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Loqi nativecomments has 1 karma
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tantek snarfed, have you seen nativecomments work well anywhere outside of WordPress?
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tantek to WordPress's credit, it does seem like you, GWG, and others with WordPress manage native comments reasonably well (and get additional positive contributions you might not get otherwise via social media etc.)
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snarfed tantek: probably! comment spam is definitely a problem, but i highly doubt WP is the only CMS that has solved it
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snarfed medium is probably another example
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tantek snarfed, seems like every other CMS delegates to comment embed services like disqus or FB
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snarfed many, sure, but not all
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tantek sure, silos have their own comments solutions
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snarfed eh, the silo boundary is fuzzy. eg medium lets you bring your own domain.
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snarfed quick, define silo!
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snarfed ducks
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aaronpk what is a silo?
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Loqi A silo, or web content hosting silo, in the context of the IndieWeb, is a centralized web site typically owned by a for-profit corporation that stakes some claim to content contributed to it and restricts access in some way (has walls) https://indieweb.org/silo
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aaronpk thanks Loqi
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Loqi you're welcome, aaronpk
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tantek snarfed, good point, medium is a silo and blog hosting service as it were
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sknebel hm, the only things I've seen that came with disqus support but not support for native comments were static site generators, where local comments can't be a thing. but maybe it is more common to default to comments off?
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sknebel or just not having a comment system at all, and then site owners add disqus or FB because at all
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sknebel *because that is easy to do on top
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snarfed tumblr is another key example of disqus only, no native comments
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snarfed https://brid.gy/about#disqus
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gRegorLove I've been pretty pleased with my spam stats: https://gregorlove.com/2017/03/spam-statistics-since-2017-05-10-when/
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] Spam statistics since 2016-05-10, when I last reported: 1,224 caught by honeypot ā€” an extra hidden field was filled in when it shouldnā€™t have been 828 marked as spam by Akismet 18 spam comments got through Akismet...
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tantek gRegorLove: you're using Akismet not with WordPress?
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gRegorLove Yes
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tantek wow ok
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tantek didn't know people did that
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tantek what is Akismet
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Loqi Akismet is an anti-spam webservice from Automattic that has various levels of service both free and paid https://indieweb.org/Akismet
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tantek gRegorLove: lol: https://indieweb.org/Akismet#Previous_IndieWeb_Examples (maybe neesd an update from you ;) )
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gRegorLove Ah, yep
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sknebel I wonder how well e-mail filtering software would work on comment spam
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gRegorLove The Akismet API is pretty easy to work with
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gRegorLove Interesting idea, sknebel
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[cleverdevil] makes a note to investigate an Akismet plugin for Known.
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gRegorLove [cleverdevil]: Feel free to use https://github.com/gRegorLove/php-akismet
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[cleverdevil] Nice, gRegorLove++
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[eddie] Another small step in my progress of tracking and sharing my activities that are important to me: Listen posts! http://eddiehinkle.com/listen/
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[cleverdevil] Nice, eddie!
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[cleverdevil] eddie++
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Loqi eddie has 7 karma in this channel (8 overall)
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@benwerd I'm hosting Homebrew Website Club at @mattervc SF tomorrow. Join us for demos and discussion about a stronger independent web. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/849316882029191168)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "I'm hosting Homebrew Website Club at @mattervc SF tomorrow. Join us for demos and discussion about a stronger independent web. #indieweb" by Ben WerdmĆ¼ller on 2017-04-04 http://werd.io/2017/im-hosting-homebrew-website-club-at-mattervc-sf-tomorrow-join
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@benwerd I'm hosting Homebrew Website Club at @mattervc SF tomorrow. Join us at 6:30 for demos & talk about a stronger independent web. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/849317193007419393)
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tantek benwerd++
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Loqi benwerd has 107 karma in this channel (132 overall)
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martymcguire[m] nice lookin' listen posts, eddie! if you don't mind my asking, what is your flow for posting those? i listen to lots of podcasts and have started wanting to track them
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[eddie] right now itā€™s painful. haha Currently, I listen in overcast, click ā€œshareā€, ā€œopen in safariā€. Then when i get to my desktop, I manually create Jekyll entries for each post. However, Iā€™m doing it manually currently since next week Iā€™m beginning work on http://indieweb.org/Indigenous and one of the features Iā€™m going to add is the ability to share a listen post.
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Loqi [eddie]: lol
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[eddie] Basically if you are trying to ā€œshareā€ a url, one option will be to share a ā€œlistenā€ and it will check for mf2 markup on the url to generate a listen post. However, Iā€™m also going to do some manual parsing support for Overcast.fm podcast pages as well so that people can use that as a bridge to non-indieweb podcasts
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[eddie] But Iā€™m trying to figure out what info is needed, etc, by doing this manually before I start on the project ?
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voxpelli With podcasts there can even be some interesting info within the audio file itself
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[eddie] Voxpelli: what kind of information are you thinking of? besides duration?
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aaronpk cover art, episode name, etc
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voxpelli [eddie]: title, chapters, art, authors
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voxpelli Maybe even link relations, I don't fully remember
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voxpelli We did some research at Flattr to try to embed our data into the audio files themselves so that podcatchers wouldn't have to rely on the feed info to be able to send a flattr/scrobble to us
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voxpelli So if someone eg downloads it over a torrent, they can still do stuff with it (Some germans definitely shared podcasts over torrents)
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[eddie] ohhh interesting. Yeah, thatā€™s a lot of info
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aaronpk we're a little light on planned indiewebcamps for 2017!
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tantek aaronpk, I see several "likelies" as well as the knowns
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tantek specifically, NYC, MIT, LA
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aaronpk unless there are suggested dates, i am not optimistic about those yet
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tantek thinking an SF one might be good right before TPAC
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tantek if I can find a co-organizer to help out
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tantek fair
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tantek or at least a suggested month, let's start with that
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tantek !tell chrisaldrich when do you think would be a good month to do IWC LA this year?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek aaronpk, I'm more optimistic for the IWCs where the co-organizers are regularly hanging out here
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tantek so at least we should sort by that
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aaronpk for sure
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tantek gRegorLove: do you remember when IWC Seattle was being planned for? what month?
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tantek what is SeaGL
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "SeaGL" yet. Would you like to create it?
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gRegorLove It was in November last year. Presume it's around that time this year.
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gRegorLove SeaGL is the Seattle GNU/Linux Conference http://seagl.org/
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Loqi ok
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gRegorLove Don't see 2017 dates listed yet
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[kevinmarks] https://mastodon.social/@yoz/1535641
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Loqi [Yoz] This doesnā€™t feel like the indie webā€™s last chance, but itā€™s easily the best chance in a while. We let Facebook eat our relationships, we let Twitter create a new but terrible medium, and then we let Medium eat blogging. I donā€™t know that Mas...
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tantek but can you search Mastodon for "indie web" OR indieweb?
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[kevinmarks] You can only search for hashtags
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aaronpk does it search per instance or somehow across all of them?
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tantek seems like an mf2 crawler would index them all
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tantek creates a W3C wiki page for TPAC 2017 just so he can link to it from /Planning
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tantek ok let's see if this works
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tantek aaronpk see: https://indieweb.org/Planning#2017
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tantek now roughly clustered by what I think is "likely"
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tantek and then ordered by rough date/month order there
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tantek Bellingham has specific dates
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tantek Summit is narrowed to two and will decide tomorrow night
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tantek after that I expect adactio will plan an IWC Brighton in August or early September as he does
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tantek oops forgot to add likely month to NYC
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tantek GWG, how is September for IWC NYC?
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tantek NYC or MIT would be good for September, very likely we can at least do one
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tantek then SF near TPAC (either in late Oct or early Nov)
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tantek and LA afterwards, since its still warm in LA in late Nov / early Dec
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tantek aaronpk - that's my best first guess at rolling out a "likely" schedule of IWCs
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[aaronpk] Awesome
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tantek that being said, EVERYONE here @all please take a look at https://indieweb.org/Planning#2017 and add yourself as either "Interested" in each city that you'd like to go to for an IWC, and/or the specific dates!
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tantek (did that work to notify everyone in Slackland?)
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tantek Salt, strugee if you can suggest possible dates for folks to start +1/-1ing, we can move Seattle to more likely! https://indieweb.org/Planning#Seattle
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tantek see https://indieweb.org/Planning#San_Francisco for example
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tantek and hey SF folks add yourselves to https://indieweb.org/Planning#San_Francisco
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Salt tantek, still trying to nail down our seagl dates, will move on that as soon as I have the others
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tantek cool
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gRegorLove !tell Salt new sponsorship prospectus is up on https://indieweb.org/how-to-sponsor
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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bear if your running Apple gear -- https://arstechnica.com/apple/2017/04/ios-10-3-1-includes-bug-fixes-and-improves-the-security-of-your-iphone-or-ipad/
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Loqi bear: tantek left you a message 5 days, 18 hours ago: can you make it to any of the dates here? add your prefs! https://indieweb.org/Planning#Summit
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bear https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2017/04/over-air-exploiting-broadcoms-wi-fi_4.html
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GWG !tell tantek, as long as it isn't a Jewish holiday, I can make it work.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG I need some engaging Indieweb talk to balance my day
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[cleverdevil] I forwarded your latest post to some of my team today, GWG.
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[cleverdevil] Hopefully they'll read/respond!
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[cleverdevil] Oh, and chrisaldrich and I are discussing the potential of an IndieWeb group Known site over in #known.
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GWG cleverdevil, I had some great feedback from Chrisaldrich about expanding the article as well
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[chrisaldrich] cleverdevil: I'm spending a few minutes at lunch setting it up as we speak. I've always kind of wanted to try out that part of the functionality.
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Loqi [chrisaldrich]: tantek left you a message 2 hours, 27 minutes ago: when do you think would be a good month to do IWC LA this year?
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[cleverdevil] Nice!
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[chrisaldrich] GWG: I'm more curious about what the next posts in that series will be.
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GWG I was trying to focus on WordPress building blocks first, but I will expand to add more Indieweb ones
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GWG Chrisaldrich, users
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[chrisaldrich] Has wordpress.com opensourced their reader functionality anywhere?
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GWG Chrisaldrich, not sure
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gRegorLove They have a reader? Is it for other wordpress.com blogs only?
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[cleverdevil] Not that I am aware of. The last major thing they open sourced was their frontend for creating new posts.
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[chrisaldrich] https://en.support.wordpress.com/reader/
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gRegorLove Wow, cool
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[chrisaldrich] You can use it to subscribe to any RSS feed AFAIK
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[cleverdevil] (That's Calypso)
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[cleverdevil] What is Calypso?
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Loqi Calypso is the javascript-based rewrite of the wordpress admin interface https://indieweb.org/Calypso
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[chrisaldrich] They just updated it a few months ago to be prettier, the WP reader anyway.
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GWG Chrisaldrich, re the article, can you imagine how much easier building Indieweb stuff would be if we got that wishlist?
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[chrisaldrich] GWG: Along with that wishlist comes 20-30 developers' worth of help too I'd guess.
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[chrisaldrich] And that may be just as useful.
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[chrisaldrich] If I could have one wish this year, it would be to have webmentions in WP core. My birthday is on July 8th, is that too soon?
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gRegorLove That's push /Vouch up the priority list :)
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gRegorLove *That'd
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gRegorLove I still think Vouch will need to be in core at the same time as Webmention, ideally
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GWG Gregorlove, tantek agrees with you
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@HongPong I now have account on Mastodon, got in before cutoff: https://mastodon.social/@hongpong please lets get outta the silo amirite!!? #indieweb #Gnusocial (twitter.com/_/status/849366618618703873)
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aaronpk lol no
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aaronpk if you have to "get in before the cutoff" then you're not avoiding a silo
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gRegorLove Heh
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GWG Chrisaldrich, you have seen how far the plugin has come
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gRegorLove Mastodon.social had quite an influx, temporarily disabled registrations
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snarfed eh, re vouch, i'm still not convinced that it's quite that critical. i expect e.g. akismet will filter webmention comments decently well.
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aaronpk i'm not sure Vouch is the correct solution for everyone either
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gRegorLove Well, I'm just imagining with nothing in place (even with just Akismet), it turns into one of those things people make plugins to *disable*. Like pingback.
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GWG snarfed, if the Webmention plugin was proposed as a feature plugin, what is missing from it?
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snarfed got me!
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gRegorLove Why wouldn't all the pingback spam switch to webmention spam when so many sites have it?
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snarfed gRegorLove: it might, but again, akismet handles pingback spam pretty well
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GWG I was thinking of writing a plugin that would accept Pingbacks through the XMLRPC server in WordPress and convert them to Webmentions purely as a way to stop supporting Pingbacks unless you wanted them
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snarfed also there are a couple more orders of magnitude of wp comment form spam than pingback/trackback spam, at least anecdotally on my site. https://snarfed.org/wordpress-spam-statistics-comments-pingbacks-trackbacks
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Loqi [Ryan Barrett] WordPress spam statistics: comments, pingbacks, trackbacks
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gRegorLove Interesting
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@altsalt Just scored a coveted $1 ticket @BoltBus for returning from @LFNW! Now to nail down these @IndieWebCamp details before booking my departure. (twitter.com/_/status/849368096989208577)
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snarfed actually, GWG, i'd say semantic linkbacks is missing from the webmention plugin :P
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[chrisaldrich] Also the spam problem would put pressure on other interesting indieweb type use cases, particularly for privacy, audience, and others.
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snarfed and fixes for the bug(s?) that renders replies as "This Article was mentioned on ..."
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GWG snarfed, that is what I thought you would say
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[chrisaldrich] snarfed: that's what kicked off the original topic. ?
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snarfed backs away slowly
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aaronpk what will it take to merge the plugins?
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GWG aaronpk, in a good way or bad way?
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aaronpk there is a bad way?
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GWG Bad way, ten minutes.
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snarfed do that, then iterate it toward good way?
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aaronpk smallsteps++
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[chrisaldrich] I suspect a lot of us would start using it... ?
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GWG snarfed, that would be a decision for the author, not a contributor.
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gRegorLove The main issue is pfefferle doesn't want them together, right?
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gRegorLove Why not a fork?
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GWG No, the issue is that pfefferle thinks they don't belong together until the design is better
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aaronpk is he doing anything towards improving the design so they can be merged?
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snarfed eh design seems orthogonal to merging
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aaronpk also that
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gRegorLove One plugin is easier to fix design stuff in than two :)
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snarfed anyway. if pfefferle is the blocker, no sense having a proxy argument w/o him
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GWG snarfed, I respect pfefferle a lot, for the record
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GWG I have been trying to work through the issues one by one.
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snarfed GWG++
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GWG snarfed, I have a PR to move the Webmention source URL into comment meta. This would allow replies to be classified as comments without losing awareness that they are Webmentions
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GWG That would be a nail in the coffin of theme compatibility.
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GWG Semantic Linkbacks already changes Webmentions to type Comment when it is a reply. This just formalizes it.
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GWG I could ramble about this all day. Maybe I need another post to lay it out
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[cleverdevil] More posts!
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[cleverdevil] They're so helpful to people like myself who want to understand better how to advocate for the right changes in WordPress ?
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[cleverdevil] And for my WordPress people who are new to IndieWeb.
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GWG I'm trying to move progressively farther from Core
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@calum_ryan London folks: Homebrew Website Club tomorrow from 6pm (BST) RSVP https://indieweb.org/events/2017-04-05-homebrew-website-club Eventbrite: https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/homebrew-website-club-london-april-5th-tickets-33357208308 (twitter.com/_/status/849376165110394881)
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[kevinmarks] Aaronpk - the federation isn't global. instance a only sees messages from instance B wh
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[kevinmarks] When someone on a subscribes to that person on B
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[kevinmarks] So "the whole known network" is different for each instance
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[kevinmarks] (this is a good thing, BTW)
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aaronpk that's what i would expect from something that publishes atom feeds and subscribes via pubsubhubbub
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KartikPrabhu what is mastodon
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KartikPrabhu what is mastodon
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Loqi Mastodon is an open source implementation of a federated social network with several running instances that is compatible with GNU Social https://indieweb.org/Mastodon
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aaronpk what i haven't been able to find docs on is how one instance subscribes to another. is it more than just a bunch of pubsubhubbub subscriptions to each user's atom feeds? i keep seeing references to something about an instance getting all updates from another instance
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[kevinmarks] That's people being confused, I think
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[kevinmarks] There is per instance blocking, after the shock image instances
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[kevinmarks] The FAQ is poorly phrased
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@HackerEvents IndieWebCamp on Saturday 04 November 10:00 @ Contentful (Germany) https://indiewebcamp.com/2017/Berlin (twitter.com/_/status/849390846864707584)
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@BoltBus @altsalt @lfnw @indiewebcamp Woohoo! Have a fantastic trip! (twitter.com/_/status/849402377291669505)
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