#indieweb 2017-04-05

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M-AlexL
sent a long message: M-AlexL_2017-04-05_09:25:47.txt - https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/nvOhpAHaZHGZhpFpJXPZCYtS
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@fuball63
I need to get started on implementing this for my personal info ASAP: https://indieweb.org/
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@DreamHost
DreamHost is thrilled to be a monthly sponsor for @indiewebcamp at our #PDX office. Have a lovely evening, friends! #IndieWeb
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@priya_somani_
DreamHost is thrilled to be a monthly sponsor for indiewebcamp at our #PDX office. Have a lovely evening, friends! #IndieWeb
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tantek
good morning #indieweb!
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tantek
HWC tonight!!!@
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tantek
this looks like a good excuse to go to Iceland: https://www.facebook.com/events/196754527491842/
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deathrow1
howdy! already reserved 6-8 seats in the café for the berlin HWC =)
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tantek
deathrow1: awesome and welcome! (despite the ominous /nick!)
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tantek
deathrow1 you are officially assigned responsibility for taking a photo of the HWC Berlin group
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deathrow1
tantek: i'll officially delegate it then — have no (reliably) working camera =)
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tantek
no "smart phone" even?
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deathrow1
tantek: didn't you also pick a nickname in the 90s? ;)
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tantek
deathrow1: you can do photo art direction
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tantek
tries to recall 90s nicknames
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deathrow1
tantek: yeah, no "smart" smart phone. have one i found in a dumpster, with cyanogenmod, which keeps crashing when taking photos. can't tell if it's the battery or bad drivers.
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deathrow1
is a gamer badass coming back from the 1990s to frag everyone
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tantek
lol uh oh, maybe it's been rooted with some buggy surveillance code
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deathrow1
…give the shaft, etcetera...
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tantek
hence "keeps crashing"
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deathrow1
tantek: outdated surveillance server address, i'm sure ;)
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tantek
yeah might want to inspect outbound traffic, just saying
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deathrow1
tantek: crashes keep me from using the phone, so see that as.. a start. or something.
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deathrow1
delegates photography task to sknebel
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deathrow1
if anyone is into trying DNS over TLS on node.js, i just published getdns v2.0.0-alpha.1
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tantek
deathrow1: now you just have to peer pressure and remind sknebel to take the photo, or ask someone in the cafe to take it of all you, despite any German shyness ;)
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deathrow1
tantek: will see. once had my camera stolen while backpacking (presumably) by germans who thought i was invading their privacy taking pictures which included shared friends and them. (they were later sneering, saying stuff like "maybe you shouldn't take so many pictures.") ze germans are pretty strict about their photo rules; stopped messing with them.
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tantek
wow what
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deathrow1
tantek: you should try your approach at german hacker meeetings, like congress
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tantek
given how many security cams are all over the place, if people are going to be that physical about photos, they ought to wear a mask :P
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tantek
deathrow1: the right answer of course is to make it explicitly optional to be *in* the photo
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tantek
we have had HWC SF meetings where 1-2 people ask to not be in the photo and we always respect that
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deathrow1
tantek: for sure, especially in germany and in privacy-aware groups, but that's not how cameras worked before the days of facebook (oh, happy days)
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deathrow1
(to me, as a swede)
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@super8trash
#indieweb #test #ignore
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tantek
is that from Berlin?
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gRegorLove
Good morning, indieweb
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gRegorLove
IWC Bellingham venue is confirmed, so we'll be updating the wiki and starting promotion today.
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gRegorLove
Unfortunately the primary space we have for the first day is not wheelchair accessible, so we'll need to indicate that clearly. The second day we have a classroom space in the building that is accessible.
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tantek
gRegorLove: any remote participation options?
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gRegorLove
I'm not AV equipped; I'll check if they are. It's a makerspace, so good chance *someone* will be, just need to make the connection.
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tantek
right, see if you can get someone to help volunteer with remote participation, at least session broadcasts with simple webcams
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gRegorLove
Definitely
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tantek
gRegorLove: draft up announcement summary so all the HWCs can bring it up too
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gRegorLove
tantek: Suggestions on how/where to indicate the accessibility info on the wiki event page?
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tantek
good question, I don't know if we've ever indicated that kind of info before
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gRegorLove
I really hope it doesn't keep anyone away and I'm just overthinking it.
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tantek
how do other community events / meetups indicate it?
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gRegorLove
does some research
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tantek
OSBridge is one possible example to take a look at
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tantek
great that's enough to start a stub
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tantek
what is accessibility?
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Loqi
accessibility is a practice of designing, developing and editing websites so that people with disabilities can have equal access to their information and functionality https://indieweb.org/accessibility
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tantek
gRegorLove perhaps add a section for IRL / events?
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tantek
since you found citations
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@super8trash
@super8trash #indieweb #reply_reply #test
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gRegorLove
What is accessibility?
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Loqi
Accessibility is the practice of designing so that people with disabilities can have equal access to information and functionality, applicable to both websites as well as physical environments https://indieweb.org/accessibility
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tantek
gRegorLove++ awesome
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Loqi
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tantek
that reminds me, aaronpk I saw the updated prospectus notes wanting to help sponsor travel to help diveristy & inclusivity etc. should we perhaps also mention looking at daycare options?
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tantek
I remember from IWS last year there was a last minute (week before?) question (implied request) for childcare and I think we were too close to the event to have a chance to arrange anything
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tantek
but perhaps if we called it out as something we'd like to do that a sponsor could help with, that might get funded too
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tantek
thoughts?
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calumryan
Tonight just me at HWC London. Putting micropub.rocks to the test with some checks extending my micropub support to JSON, really handy having the response back to check for problems
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Loqi
calumryan: tantek left you a message 1 week, 2 days ago: any HWC London next week 5th April?
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tantek
heh :)
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calumryan
We have potentially a new venue next time at WeWork Southbank. barryf has been looking into this. Accessibility should be ok there
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tantek
oh nice
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aaronpk
+1 to making daycare available
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tantek
OSBridge might again be a good example here
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tantek
calumryan, any chance of making it over the pond for IndieWebSummit? Either of these dates 3-4 or 24-25 June better for you? https://indieweb.org/Planning#Summit
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[manton]
This might be obvious to everyone else, but couldn't find it on the wiki... Is there a city for IndieWebSummit yet?
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tantek
manton, yes, Portland Oregon!
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tantek
what is IndieWebSummit?
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[manton]
tantek Cool, thanks.
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tantek
edits some wiki pages
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tantek
let's try that again
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tantek
what is IndieWebSummit?
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Loqi
Welcome to the Indie Web Summit 2017 page for planning, brainstorming, and generally all things looking forward to IndieWebSummit 2017 in Portland, Oregon https://indieweb.org/IndieWebSummit
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tantek
there we go :)
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tantek
thanks for the prompt Manton, hopefully that will make it easier to discover
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[manton]
Great. I'll keep an eye on it in case it works out to make it... I'll be in San Jose June 3-4 (Apple's WWDC is that week) but could possibly divert up to Portland for a day.
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tantek
manton what about 24-25 June? would you be able to make all of that?
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@ChrisAldrich
If #Indieweb newcomers need a site to play with/test for Homebrew Website Club tonight, I've built http://known.boffosocko.com
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "If #Indieweb newcomers need a site to play with/test for Homebrew Website Club tonight, I've built http://known.boffosocko.com" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-04-05 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/if-indieweb-newcomers-need-a-site-to-play-withtest-for
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Loqi
[indienews] New post: "Announcing IndieWebCamp Bellingham" https://gregorlove.com/2017/04/announcing-indiewebcamp-bellingham/
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tantek
nice!
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tantek
gRegorLove++
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tantek
oh hey is there a HWC LA tonight?
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[manton]
tantek Might be tough to make it then, but I'll check. I'd love to if I can.
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[chrisaldrich]
tantek: We're skipping this week, but should be back in two weeks
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[chrisaldrich]
thought I'd updated the wiki last thursday....
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tantek
chrisaldrich - just wondering because of your post ^^^
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tantek
" play with/test for Homebrew Website Club tonight"
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tantek
thinking you meant tonight in LA
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[chrisaldrich]
tantek: Nope, it's an open Known instance I started building last night. Anyone can register for an account and play around a bit. It's got syndication to Twitter and a few other things set up to give newcomers (anywhere) the ability to see some of the power of indieweb.
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[chrisaldrich]
I started building it yesterday when you made your comment about a network of Known Instances
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tantek
oh cool!
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[cleverdevil]
(Also, hello IndieWeb!)
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[cleverdevil]
I still think stream.indieweb.org should be a thing!
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aaronpk
like global indieweb timeline?
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[chrisaldrich]
I've turned off admin approval of new accounts for HWC, so one should be able to create an account and go.
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[cleverdevil]
aaronpk more like a shared space for public discussion.
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[cleverdevil]
Somewhere between the wiki and IRC.
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KartikPrabhu
sounds like this channel
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[chrisaldrich]
I just finished setting up oAuth on it along with the ability to post to my own personal site and crosspost into it.
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aaronpk
ah that's kind of what news.indieweb.org is supposed to be too
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[chrisaldrich]
It feels almost dirty to say, but I now officially "own my own silo". At least one can export their data....
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[cleverdevil]
That's interesting, too, I wasn't aware of news.indieweb.org.
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aaronpk
i took off the comment threading in it because it was confusing people, but i could try to bring it back.
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Salt
aaronpk, how should we deal with sponsorship/reimbursement for iwc:bham?
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Loqi
Salt: gRegorLove left you a message 23 hours, 53 minutes ago: new sponsorship prospectus is up on https://indieweb.org/how-to-sponsor
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aaronpk
not only can you submit top-level posts, but if you replied to a post, you could also syndicate your reply to indienews and it would appear under the parent post
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[chrisaldrich]
aaronpk: I don't remember comment threading... that's cool.
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aaronpk
it was a while ago. i built indienews in 2013 initially, just barely after we had webmention
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[cleverdevil]
So, I kind of think something that would be useful for brainstorming would be helpful.
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[cleverdevil]
Though, maybe the wiki and this channel are enough?
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tantek
cleverdevil, yeah that's the idea, chat+wiki
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tantek
chat for rapid brainstorming (which frankly beats ALL email / forum / etc. software) for speed and brevity
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tantek
and then if an idea is worthy of capturing, wiki
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aaronpk
Salt: I don't have any major sponsors this year yet, so I don't have a fund to draw from for the local events. you're welcome to raise your own sponsorship, or you can point people at the wiki sponsorship page and I can handle the bookkeeping and such, and reimburse you guys for expenses.
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aaronpk
maybe this is a good topic for the #meta channel heh
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[chrisaldrich]
cleverdevil the chat is also logged and searchable https://indiechat.search.cweiske.de/
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[cleverdevil]
I still think a Known instance would be better at some things, but I also like that we've got something already working 🙂
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tantek
my experience is the email/forums become slow/long/overworded piles of unmaintained meh
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Salt
aaronpk, I've got a sponsor, they want to know where to send money
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[cleverdevil]
Yeah, mine too, but I've been exploring some interesting projects related that I think may change that.
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tantek
they're slow to use, so people take more time to write to amortize the overhead of using their UI, then discussions get laborious so people get distracted, tl;dr etc.
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[cleverdevil]
Or at least have the potential to.
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tantek
cleverdevil, speed / low latency is the key
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aaronpk
Salt: awesome. there are details in the PDF and at the bottom of the page here https://indieweb.org/how-to-sponsor
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[cleverdevil]
The WordPress project (and Automattic internally) use a WordPress thing https://make.wordpress.org
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tantek
cleverdevil, another intermediate thing is Etherpad
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tantek
etherpad.indieweb.org
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tantek
for realtime collab editing
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[cleverdevil]
I enjoy etherpad.
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[cleverdevil]
The WP thing is this: https://geto2.com
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[cleverdevil]
Its interesting.
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Salt
aaronpk, so we should just handle things locally and send excess to you post-event for bookeeping?
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aaronpk
that'd work too if you don't mind handling the money
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aaronpk
we're not a 501c3 so there isn't any tax benefit to having the money go through me
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tantek
Salt, for some IndieWebCamp we've also tried to keep track of expenses on the wiki
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tantek
so that's something to consider too
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tantek
wonders now how to find those pages
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Salt
alright, thanks, looks like we'll be able to start advertising the event today
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[chrisaldrich]
tantek: were they categorized?
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tantek
yes, expenses is a good subpage
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[chrisaldrich]
cleverdevil
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[chrisaldrich]
that O2 page looks a lot like how known works in a multi-user environment
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[cleverdevil]
chrisaldrich yup, its similar.
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tantek
Salt, feel free to create an expenses page for bham even as a stub
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aaronpk
[cleverdevil]++ nice, looks like that wasn't too hard to figure out
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Loqi
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[cleverdevil]
It has some additional niceities, though.
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[chrisaldrich]
I've played with /P2 before, but not O2
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aaronpk
we also have the ability to use https://opencollective.com/indieweb to accept donations and reimburse expenses for events. I set it up mostly for the recurring things, but it is not a bad way to do events too.
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tantek
what is P2?
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Loqi
P2 is a WordPress theme maintained by Automattic that supports posting from the home page and realtime updates https://indieweb.org/P2
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tantek
what is O2
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "O2" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10fm
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tantek
(besides an oxygen molecule ;) )
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[chrisaldrich]
I think O2 is mentioned underneath the P2 page...
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[cleverdevil]
What is P2?
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Loqi
P2 is a WordPress theme maintained by Automattic that supports posting from the home page and realtime updates https://indieweb.org/P2
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[chrisaldrich]
Looks like it's actually hiding under P2 at https://indieweb.org/WordPress/Themes
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[cleverdevil]
O2 is the next generation of the [[P2]] project which enables a WordPress site to be leveraged for group collaboration and realtime updates.
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Loqi
ok, I added "[[O2]]" to the "See Also" section of /P2
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dgold
has been looking over the /generations page
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dgold
I think there are a few conceptual steps absent viz. 1 -> 2
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dgold
e.g. additional publicly available micropub/webmention practical implementations, with detailed documentation of use/customisation
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dgold
i mean, I don't think of myself as g2 in that frame of reference, but I don't meet the criteria of g1 either
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[jeremycherfas]
Agreed about low latency and low overhead, but it is more difficult when time zones and diurnal rhythms isolate you. That's why asynchronous can be worthwhile.
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Mastodon is dead in the water" by John Henry on 2017-04-05 https://medium.com/@thejohnhenry/mastodon-is-dead-in-the-water-888c10e8abb1?source=rss-------1
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tantek
jeremycherfas sleep is overrated ;) (j/k)
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aaronpk
well that article starts off incorrect
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Mastodon is dead in the water" by John Henry on 2017-04-05 https://medium.com/@thejohnhenry/mastodon-is-dead-in-the-water-888c10e8abb1?source=rss------blockchain-5
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tantek
A medium article starts with a false premise? I'm shocked ;)
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tantek
ok, looks like time to de-dupe on ?source=
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tantek
social_media, blockchain, ???, profit?
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aaronpk
wow `source` is being used for tracking parameters now??
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KartikPrabhu
so much garbage in the URLs
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tantek
don't they know it's utm_source?
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aaronpk
that post took an unexpected turn
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KartikPrabhu
it was pivoting
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aaronpk
this i can agree with "Your identity should not be coupled with the moderation policy of whichever platform you host your social graph on."
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dgold
i don't think he gets how bad the nazis thing is for many twitter users
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tantek
How about, couple your identity with whichever platform you find has code of conduct that suits you, and if you can't find one, start your own website.
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[chrisaldrich]
I find it interesting that his tagline is "Decentralized web wonk, alternative social publishing guru, spelunker of nerdy caverns". Sounds like he should be here in the chat...
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tantek
"should not"s are not very actionable
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tantek
chrisaldrich, does he have his own website?
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[jeremycherfas]
Tantek I know, and I thoroughly disagree.
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[jeremycherfas]
wishes everyone goodnight and sweet dreams.
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KartikPrabhu
[jeremycherfas]: I support sleeping! night
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[chrisaldrich]
I don't know. Kevinmarks mentioned him in a tweet stream last week: https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/849043081840250881 so perhaps he knows?
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@kevinmarks
@BrendanEich @ckhonson @brave If you're building things into the browser, how about webmention and micropub?
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[chrisaldrich]
jeremycherfas goodnight!
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dgold
night [jeremycherfas]
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tantek
night [jeremycherfas] !
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dgold
notes that Eich's browser offers infogalactic as a `search engine`
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tantek
what is infogalactic
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "infogalactic" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10fn
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GWG
If I add IndieNews to a plugin that is called Bridgy Publish, is that confusing?
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snarfed
probably yes, since bridgy and indienews are unrelated
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GWG
snarfed, submissions work the same way. I can't change the slug, but what would I call the plugin then?
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[chrisaldrich]
GWG: if you do add IndieNews, perhaps add it in commented out code, requiring a snippet of knowledge to be able to uncover the checkbox. I suspect the Gen2+ users who have it in Bridgy Publish won't understand what it is/what it's for and will spam the site accidentally trying to figure it out.
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GWG
Easter Egg?
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[chrisaldrich]
Easter Egg++
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GWG
Or maybe I should call mine afikomen?
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snarfed
easter eggs can be fun, but probably not appropriate for actual functionality
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GWG
I suppose I could create another plugin, but it seems like duplication.
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GWG
Oh well, I will think about it more
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[chrisaldrich]
I kind of like the manual nature of markup to post to news.indieweb to remind me what it was like back in the day...
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GWG
When you had to walk five miles through the snow barefoot to mention something?
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[chrisaldrich]
And I had to fend off the bears with my hand-lettered and mimeographed Zine.
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GWG
I didn't even have a zine. I had to write my mentions in a notebook and read them in the town green on a soapbox.
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tantek
that's genius. next time a bunch of us are in London let's hold a HWC in Hyde Park and bring our own literal soapboxes with our domain names written down on them, and just read posts out loud from our home pages
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[chrisaldrich]
redifines /tradegy_of_the_commons on the wiki 😉
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GWG
Maybe someone will go on their own box and mention you.
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[chrisaldrich]
that could actually be an interesting PR stunt tantek...
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dgold
tantek: infogalactic is an alt-right fork of wikipedia
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GWG
Would you open up a repository just to collect ideas about a project you aren't going to do right now?
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GWG
But might in future?
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snarfed
GWG: sounds like a web page?
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snarfed
e.g. https://snarfed.org/ideas (warning, old and out of date)
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Loqi
[Ryan Barrett] ideas
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aaronpk
GWG: i've done that for a couple
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aaronpk
to document specific features as issues
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GWG
I want to collect my ideas on an avatar/nicknames cache in WordPress so when I am ready to work on it... I have them documented.
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GWG
I want it to be public.
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GWG
Maybe a page is best until I write anything
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GWG
On the other hand, the repo would become the plugin repo with all the features as issues
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[eddie]
just catching up on some of the discussions about IndieNews and stream.indieweb.org. IndieNews feels to me like a long-form post syndication site. I wonder if I mis-understand IndieNews or if something like stream.indieweb.org might be applicable to be a note/threaded conversation syndicated site?
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[eddie]
Thinking of IndieNews more like a newspaper and stream.indieweb.org more like a “twitter” channel or back in the day before Twitter got big, a “global” timeline. However, it wouldn’t be global as much as just syndicated notes..... I don’t know. Just thinking about it, I don’t know that I would ever feel comfortable syndicating a short note to IndieNews and wondering if there is some place for that. Maybe, like cleverdevil and tantek sa
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aaronpk
it's interesting what people project onto tools like IndieNews. there's certainly nothing wrong with posting a short note there. it will even format it nicely.
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tantek
eddie, like a planet?
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tantek
what is a planet?
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Loqi
A planet, in the context of the indieweb, and blogs/feeds for even longer, is a site that aggregates feeds/updates from a variety of sources, typically focused on a particular topic or community https://indieweb.org/planet
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tantek
that sounds like what you're talking abou in terms of a "global timeline" or stream
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[eddie]
tantek: ah, yes, planet is what I was talking about 🙂
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[eddie]
aaronpk: I guess it’s because I only see long-form writing on it 🙂
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tantek
what is a global timeline
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "global timeline" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10fo
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tantek
what is a timeline
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Loqi
The timeline briefly documents key IndieWeb terms/ideas/concepts, implementations, specifications, and other achievements; people involved, and dates/URLs for each https://indieweb.org/timeline
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tantek
where is Loqi?
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[eddie]
and aaronpk: They all get included in the newsletter, right?
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aaronpk
they do
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tantek
I thought we documented Twitter's global timeline somewhere
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tantek
what is public timeline
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Loqi
public timeline is a silo/aggregator feature that displays all profile/subscription public posts in a reverse chronological order, popularized by Twitter who dropped it in late 2012 https://indieweb.org/public_timeline
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tantek
that's it
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[eddie]
Not that I would have anything wrong with a short post being in the newsletter, but seems like the newsletter could get quickly cluttered if it became more of an aggregated note post platform
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tantek
global timeline is /public_timeline
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tantek
timeline << public timeline
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Loqi
ok, I added "[[public timeline]]" to the "See Also" section of /timeline
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aaronpk
[eddie]: well i could always exclude notes from the newsletter, and just link to indienews from the newsletter
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[eddie]
aaronpk: That makes sense, that could make it feel less “haunting” to post a note if it wasn’t included in the newsletter.
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[kevinmarks]
Cory and Suw used to do Hyde Park Corner speaking when they were in London in blog times
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[kevinmarks]
Wow, flickr is really shit now when you click through on mobile
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@ChrisAldrich
@Paul_Kinlan I suspect you might appreciate http://indieweb.org/twitter#POSSE_to_Twitter & generally some of the documentation at https://indieweb.org wiki
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tantek
chrisaldrich++
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Loqi
chrisaldrich has 17 karma in this channel (23 overall)
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@ChrisAldrich
@denials Are you using Known as a tool, for #Indieweb purposes, or both? https://indieweb.org/Indieweb_for_Education #edtech
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "@denials Are you using Known as a tool, for #Indieweb purposes, or both? https://indieweb.org/Indieweb_for_Education #edtech" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-04-05 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/denials-are-you-using-known-as-a-tool-for-indieweb
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@grantcodes
Day 86 of #100DaysOfCode: Added a method to verify access tokens to my #indieweb micropub helper: https://github.com/grantcodes/micropub
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@acegiak
@AlaynaMCole @Gaohmee @beaknit @nicktatorship This is why I like the indieweb approach everyone is their own instance and moderator.
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tantek
acegiak++
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Loqi
acegiak has 31 karma
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@keithjgrant
Looks like I’ll have some more tooling to integrate into it from my indieweb site
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gRegorLove
Hello from Bellingham HWC! Just two of us tonight so far. Which is our average attendance. :)
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aaronpk
pdx kicking off
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aaronpk
tomas: adventuring.bike
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aaronpk
... blogging about bike adventures
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aaronpk
... last thing i did on my site besides blog posts, is linking it up to facebook / twitter, and trying instagram but that didn't work
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aaronpk
... when i post something on my blog, it gets share to instagram, twitter, facebook
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aaronpk
... oh and i changed my theme
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aaronpk
... because it's wordpress
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aaronpk
scott: scottcarver.info, it's a wordpress site
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aaronpk
... i dont think i've updated it in a few years
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aaronpk
... i've been trying to get back into maintaining my personal website,
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aaronpk
... it's hard cause i do web stuff all day
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aaronpk
... lately been focusing on long form content, so i've been working on a wordpress theme that focuses on long form content. it's not live yet.
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aaronpk
... i'm not sure what my relationship with my website is yet
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aaronpk
.... i think i'lll have everything default to private. i think i'm past the point where i think people will get value from all my content. sometimes i just post stuff that might have been cool 5 years ago but doesn't have as much value now
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aaronpk
... i want my website to be something that's personally enriching, like a bicycle for the mind, but just for me
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aaronpk
caleb:
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aaronpk
... i technically have a website, but it's not a proper website, so i'm not going to tell you it
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aaronpk
... i work at dreamhost, so i thought i'd come see what's going on
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aaronpk
wick perry: wick.works
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aaronpk
... the last thing i changed on my site, is the last thing my kickstarter ended i changed the banner to my itch.io page
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aaronpk
... it's gotten one preorder since then
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aaronpk
nagisa: nuggit.nu
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aaronpk
... the last thing i did on my site was i uploaded a coding challenge so i could get the job that i have now
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aaronpk
nick cummings:
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aaronpk
... i have several websites, hosted on squarespace, but i also work there
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aaronpk
... nickcummings.com, i moved it to github pages after i got tired of paying hostgator
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aaronpk
... i want to get back to blogging, but without wordpress. the last thing i did was updated my resume.
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gRegorLove
tantek: Have you documented how your ISBN links work? The destination Amazon URL structure is what I'm looking for, I guess.
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gRegorLove
Format appears to be amazon.com/db/[ten-digit-ISBN]
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gRegorLove
s/db/dp/
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Loqi
[superfeedr] "Mastodon.Social isn’t as Federated or as Decentralized as the Indie Web" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-04-06 http://boffosocko.com/2017/04/05/mastodon-social-isnt-as-federated-or-as-decentralized-as-the-indie-web/
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GWG
tantek, did I see something about a mutual friend?
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gRegorLove
what is Amazon Standard Identification Numbers?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Amazon Standard Identification Numbers" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10fq
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gRegorLove
What is ASIN?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "ASIN" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10fr
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gRegorLove
Amazon Standard Identification Numbers is a unique 10-character identifier Amazon uses for products https://www.amazon.com/gp/seller/asin-upc-isbn-info.html
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gRegorLove
ASIN is Amazon Standard Identification Numbers
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@HongPong
Look you've gotten the concept of 'silos' really backwards. the point is that they are *not* silos http://indieweb.org/silos << @LanceUlanoff
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tantek
hello from HWC SF
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[karaemurphy]
Hello!
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tantek
welcome [karaemurphy] !
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[karaemurphy]
I'll say hello, again. Live from SF.
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tantek
[karaemurphy]++
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Loqi
karaemurphy has 1 karma
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[karaemurphy]
tantek Thank you!
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gRegorLove
o/ tantek
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tantek
announcements
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gRegorLove
Hello, [karaemurphy]!
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tantek
IWS 2017 is on and confirmed for June in Portland Oregon
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tantek
two possible dates, June 3-4, or June 24-25
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tantek
[karaemurphy]: I can't make June 24-25
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tantek
... but I could make June 3-4
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tantek
j12t: I don't think I can make either
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gRegorLove
Is IWS likely to be at Vadio again this year?
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aaronpk
Vadio is no more
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tantek
Kia - has a personal website for years, has several websites
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tantek
... do you have to host it on your own server?
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tantek
tantek: no, though you can
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tantek
j12t: raspberry pi!
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tantek
benwerd: I can only due June 24-25
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tantek
benwerd: I cannot be away on June 3-4
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tantek
erinjo: no objection to either date
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tantek
j12t: do we have a venue for IWS?
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tantek
where is IndieWebSummit?
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tantek
what is IndieWebSummit?
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Loqi
Welcome to the Indie Web Summit 2017 page for planning, brainstorming, and generally all things looking forward to IndieWebSummit 2017 in Portland, Oregon https://indieweb.org/IndieWebSummit
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tantek
what is IndieWebCamp Bellingham?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "IndieWebCamp Bellingham" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10fs
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tantek
benwerd: I'm super curious about websites
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tantek
... e.g. you (Kara) are running yours on squarespace
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tantek
Kia: I have many websites, one that plays music I wrote. I have a book website.
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tantek
... I am also managing my own site datingthoughts.com
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tantek
... and I have a WordPress blog
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tantek
,,, and I have a nother website about plastic pollution called plastickills.com
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tantek
s/Kia/Kiai
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gRegorLove
What is IndieWebCamp Bellingham
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tantek
now watching the music video at plastickills.com
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tantek
and we're at 7 now at HWC SF
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tantek
[karaemurphy]: built on squarespace
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tantek
... for someone like me who likes to create more than figure out the backend
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tantek
... I want to incorporate it with 500px
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tantek
... so that I can sell some
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tantek
we are now checking out [karaemurphy]'s amazing drone photo from ~400' above the new span of the bay bridge!!!
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[kiai]
Here's my blog: motorcyclebaby.com
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[karaemurphy]
I have a creative name for the photo but I need to write a post explaining how I legally captured this image. Part 107 rules are still a bit strict but there are workarounds. I need to blog more.
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tantek
[karaemurphy]: I recommend importing into Medium for additional distribution. Own your content on your own site, but also import to Medium for a broader audience.
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tantek
EJ: does it backdate properly?
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tantek
benwerd: yes!
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j12t_
IBIS: Issue-based information system -- a way of figuring out stuff without the rhetoric getting into the way: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issue-Based_Information_System
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tantek
j12t: I'm frustrated by the reading situation
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tantek
benwerd: I want to come back to the idea of external pressures
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tantek
... this meetup was started to share stuff we have done on our websites
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tantek
... can we widen what we share to beyond code?
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tantek
EJ: j12t why haven't you built what you want?
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tantek
j12t I haven't had the time
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gRegorLove
I added an ISBN-redirect thing to my site tonight for use with my /read posts. Example: https://gregorlove.com/2017/01/want-to-read-bad-paper/
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Loqi
[gRegor Morrill] Want to read: Bad Paper: Chasing Debt from Wall Street to the Underworld
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gRegorLove
I also updated to use h-cite
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tantek
gRegorLove: nice! I've had a /isbn redirect for a while and would be interested to hear what you did
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gRegorLove
Aye, I asked about that shortly before you came on for HWC. :)
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bignose
if I'm starting a new blog, what is the best way for me to POSSE it? how much work am I in for, if I currently don't have a site to host it on?
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gRegorLove
And redirect to amazon.com/dp/[ten-digit-isbn]
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tantek
gRegorLove: yeah I built something like that: asin.cc
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gRegorLove
Ah, cool!
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bignose
do I need to find a free-software-friendly hosting site, pay them in Bitcoin, install and manage Pelican, essentially become a webmaster?
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bignose
or is there a better-tridden path to starting a new blog in the IndieWeb?
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gRegorLove
Hi bignose. No, ideally you don't have to go down that route (unless you wanted to)
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gRegorLove
You could run /Known or /WordPress or a static generated site, whatever you're most comfortable with
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[karaemurphy]
tantek is hotlinking from Swarm which, oddly enough, preserves resolution.
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gRegorLove
bignose: /Bridgy has a publish feature that makes it pretty easy to POSSE several places.
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bignose
gRegorLove: thanks. the question is less about choosing software, and more about choosing hosting; do I need to choose and run all the pieces myself, or is there an easier option that sitll retains all the control needed for POSSE?
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gRegorLove
You could technically use tumblr with your own domain name, and not handle all the hosting stuff that way.
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gRegorLove
Known (used to?) have hosted instances like username.withknown.com. Pretty sure that's no longer the case unfortunately.
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gRegorLove
So there's a whole spectrum; "being a webmaster" ideally should not be required. We're always trying to make it easier.
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gRegorLove
Mention Known, benwerd appears. :)
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gRegorLove
bignose: To be clear, /Bridgy is a service you can use to POSSE regardless of your hosting, CMS, or lack of CMS
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miklb
micro.blog will be another option to not have to host your own, though not sure when will be open to public registrations.
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miklb
laso suggests a Jekyll site hosted on GitHub as a no-hosting option that can support IndieWeb features
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miklb
s/laso/also/
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@HongPong
again how to set up a #mastodon instance on Linux centos 7 https://medium.com/@JungleStrike/deploying-a-mastodon-instance-on-centos-7-5073bd1ad265 #digitalocean #docker #PostgreSQL #gnusocial #indieweb
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tantek
huh, Netflix just prompted me "Now it's easier to tell us what you like. 👍 👎 " / "Rate TV shows & movies to improve your suggestions." / "Your previous star ratings will still be used to personalize your Netflix experience."
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tantek
wondering if this means no more star ratings
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aaronpk
that's what I hear
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tantek
and wonder why they switched from 1-5 stars to thumbs up/down
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tantek
is 1-5 stars really such a cognitive load that they didn't get enough input?
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tantek
can I thumb down this new rating system?
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tantek
wow this literally changed today
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KartikPrabhu
youtube is increasing cognitive load, if I tell it "not interested" for some video it says "tell us why"
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tantek
the questions will continue until morale improves
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tantek
s/questions/interogation
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Salt[m]
Boo at the Netflix change, I still miss when you had double axis star ratings on okc... Oh the research that could be done...
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