#indieweb 2017-04-05

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@kevinmarks useful thought for the https://mastodon.social/about fediverse: support rel="canonical me" for migrating between instances #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/849418061362941952)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "useful thought for the mastodon.social fediverse: support rel="canonical me" for migrating between instances #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-04-05 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/useful-thought-for-the-mastodonsocial-fediverse-support-relcanonical-me-for
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[cleverdevil] Thinking more about the health/activity data problem, I stumbled upon this: http://www.openmhealth.org
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[cleverdevil] Which includes this: http://www.openmhealth.org/documentation/#/healthkit/
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[cleverdevil] Which leads me to this: https://github.com/openmhealth/Granola
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[cleverdevil] ?
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aaronpk well that's a start
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[cleverdevil] Indeed.
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[cleverdevil] Now, I'm trying to remember who had said they were interesting in collaborating on the iOS side of this...
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aaronpk we have log search!
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@kevinmarks @kevinmarks bug report discussion here https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/177#issuecomment-291688638 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/849419172014641154)
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[cleverdevil] I'm thinking the right solution is to make the iOS app just basically collect *all of the data* and POST it up as JSON to a webservice
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[cleverdevil] Then, make the webservice be like OwnYourHealth, or something like that.
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[cleverdevil] Where you can toggle on which types of information you want to publish to your site and on what schedule.
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[cleverdevil] Keep the smarts out of the iOS app, because that's much harder to work with than a web service.
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[cleverdevil] I should really put this on the wiki
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[cleverdevil] What is health?
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Loqi Health is an iOS app from Apple that allows users to track data collected by HealthKit, which includes things like sleep tracking, heart rate, steps, exercises, and more, which are collected via the Apple Watch and the iPhone https://indieweb.org/Health
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[cleverdevil] What is Granola?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Granola" yet. Would you like to create it?
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[mko] cleverdevil: I'd be down to help out a bit on that, though I'm not sure how much time I'll have. They used to have an App called Hipbone powered by Granola that backed the Health data up in Dropbox, but it stopped working for me a while back. https://hipboneapp.com/
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[cleverdevil] Granola is an [[iOS]] library for serializing your [[HealthKit]] data into [[JSON]] in a well-defined format called [[Open mHealth Schemas]].
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Loqi ok
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[cleverdevil] What is Open mHealth Schemas?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Open mHealth Schemas" yet. Would you like to create it?
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[cleverdevil] Open mHealth Schemas is a set of standardized [[JSON]] schemas for health-related data, and can be found at http://www.openmhealth.org/documentation/#/schema-docs/schema-library
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Loqi ok
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[cleverdevil] Okay, I updated /Health with some ideas.
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[cleverdevil] mko awesome, I'll check it out.
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[cleverdevil] Also interesting: https://github.com/openmhealth/web-visualizations
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[cleverdevil] They also have something that can take data in from Fitbit, Google Fit, RunKeeper, Withings, and more, and serialize it to their format.
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[cleverdevil] So, building the webservice to use their schema seems like a decent idea.
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[mko] Yeah. I used their schemas for a while, but they're a little over-opinionated for my tastes at times.
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[cleverdevil] Innnnnteresting... https://github.com/openmhealth/ios-connector-app
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[cleverdevil] (Pretty old/stale though)
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[mko] I do think that they'll provide a good base for the schemas. I asked myself how would I convert them to a reliable Microformat when I embed a given Health record on my site, and they don't map 1:1 for how I would want to represent the data myself.
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[cleverdevil] Gotcha.
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[cleverdevil] This might all be too complicated, FWIW.
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[mko] I really like https://www.humanapi.co/ for health data structuring, personally
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[mko] http://hub.humanapi.co/docs/data-types
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[mko] Their "wellness" data API is very similar to how I already had my data modeled in my local datastore: https://reference.humanapi.co/#wellness-api
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[cleverdevil] Oh, cool.
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[mko] Yeah. HumanAPI is one of my favorite med health companies right now
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[cleverdevil] What is HumanAPI?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "HumanAPI" yet. Would you like to create it?
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[cleverdevil] HumanAPI is a platform for real-time access to digital, structured health and medical data, including from mobile devices and apps.
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Loqi ok
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[cleverdevil] It looks like they run a whole API service already for storing/retrieving the data
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[cleverdevil] This seems like a much faster path...
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[cleverdevil] Yeah, this is pretty great.
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aaronpk it's like Bridgy Pro for health data
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[cleverdevil] They already have an iOS app
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[cleverdevil] and you can pull everything in HealthKit in and send it to their repository/API
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[cleverdevil] It would be much more straightforward to leverage this.
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[cleverdevil] Okay I'm out for the day but this is promising :)
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@alastairtouw I’m on enough @SlackHQ teams with IRC gateways, but @indiewebcamp has the first Slack gateway to IRC I’ve seen. ? https://indieweb.org/Discuss#Chat (twitter.com/_/status/849437384366321665)
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@aaronpk @alastairtouw @slackhq @indiewebcamp It's a web gateway too! http://indieweb.org/irc/2017-04-04#t1491356630690 IRC <-> Slack <-> Web <-> ? (twitter.com/_/status/849438057308848128)
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amdt Hey, that's me! You're all very well-connected. :)
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aaronpk ohai! welcome!
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amdt I'm not connecting via Slack, but I thought it was very interesting.
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aaronpk it's very convenient while on mobile
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aaronpk x-post from microblog slack: "I like starting with blogs and then working to give them Twitter-like capabilities, because then hey, you've got your own blog." - [manton]
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miklb https://twitter.com/mastodonmusic/status/849424628401541121
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@mastodonmusic 1) Make album http://wbr.ec/emperorofsand 2) Release album 3) Tour 4) Make open source alternative to twitter Pretty basic marketing 101 here. QT [@kylesethgray] hard to believe @mastodonmusic created its own open source alternative to twitter to promote its new album (twitter.com/_/status/849424628401541121)
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aaronpk they're just eating this up aren't they
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miklb looks like it
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GWG Maybe we need some shameless self promotion?
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miklb I'd go with WuTang.social
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sknebel aaronpk: was just reading /collection and looking at example links, didn't you have a nicer version of collections with the posts expanded (compared to the example http://aaronparecki.com/collections/2014/08/14/1/ on the page)?
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Bridge Pedal 2014
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aaronpk ooh yes i recently re-implemented collections and i need to convert this to the new storage format
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Loqi [superfeedr] "@kevinmarks bug report discussion here https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/177#issuecomment-291688638 #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-04-05 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/kevinmarks-bug-report-discussion-here-tootsuitemastodonissues177issuecomment-291688638-indieweb
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Loqi [superfeedr] "IndiewebPress: Connecting Your Site and Mine" by David Shanske on 2017-04-05 https://david.shanske.com/2017/04/05/indiewebpress-connecting-your-site-and-mine/
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GWG Part 2 of my ramblings.
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tantek good evening GWG
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Loqi tantek: GWG left you a message 8 hours, 59 minutes ago: long as it isn't a Jewish holiday, I can make it work.
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GWG I tried to explain my thoughts again.
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[kevinmarks] https://mastodon.social/@kevinmarks/1653393
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Loqi [Kevin Marks] @anildash FOAF was always a bit too close to FOAD https://mastodon.social/media/MPJbhr-xFIxhR1Ftar0 https://files.mastodon.social/media_attachments/files/000/163/995/original/065dfbe643a7d04c.png?1491384970
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@derhess Remember: Homebrew Website Club #5 in Berlin! Today at 7pm https://sebastiangreger.net/2017/03/homebrew-website-club-berlin-2017-04-05/ | https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club #coding #webdev #meetup #web (twitter.com/_/status/849621652585553920)
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@fuball63 I need to get started on implementing this for my personal info ASAP: https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/849634041775230976)
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@DreamHost DreamHost is thrilled to be a monthly sponsor for @indiewebcamp at our #PDX office. Have a lovely evening, friends! #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/849640286724739072)
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@priya_somani_ DreamHost is thrilled to be a monthly sponsor for indiewebcamp at our #PDX office. Have a lovely evening, friends! #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/849641827204558854)
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tantek good morning #indieweb!
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tantek HWC tonight!!!@
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tantek this looks like a good excuse to go to Iceland: https://www.facebook.com/events/196754527491842/
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deathrow1 howdy! already reserved 6-8 seats in the café for the berlin HWC =)
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tantek deathrow1: awesome and welcome! (despite the ominous /nick!)
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tantek deathrow1 you are officially assigned responsibility for taking a photo of the HWC Berlin group
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tantek :)
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deathrow1 tantek: i'll officially delegate it then — have no (reliably) working camera =)
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tantek no "smart phone" even?
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deathrow1 tantek: didn't you also pick a nickname in the 90s? ;)
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tantek deathrow1: you can do photo art direction
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deathrow1 tantek: yeah, no "smart" smart phone. have one i found in a dumpster, with cyanogenmod, which keeps crashing when taking photos. can't tell if it's the battery or bad drivers.
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deathrow1 is a gamer badass coming back from the 1990s to frag everyone
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tantek lol uh oh, maybe it's been rooted with some buggy surveillance code
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deathrow1 …give the shaft, etcetera...
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tantek hence "keeps crashing"
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deathrow1 tantek: outdated surveillance server address, i'm sure ;)
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tantek yeah might want to inspect outbound traffic, just saying
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deathrow1 tantek: crashes keep me from using the phone, so see that as.. a start. or something.
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deathrow1 delegates photography task to sknebel
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deathrow1 if anyone is into trying DNS over TLS on node.js, i just published getdns v2.0.0-alpha.1
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deathrow1 https://www.npmjs.com/package/getdns
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tantek deathrow1: now you just have to peer pressure and remind sknebel to take the photo, or ask someone in the cafe to take it of all you, despite any German shyness ;)
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deathrow1 tantek: will see. once had my camera stolen while backpacking (presumably) by germans who thought i was invading their privacy taking pictures which included shared friends and them. (they were later sneering, saying stuff like "maybe you shouldn't take so many pictures.") ze germans are pretty strict about their photo rules; stopped messing with them.
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tantek wow what
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deathrow1 tantek: you should try your approach at german hacker meeetings, like congress
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tantek given how many security cams are all over the place, if people are going to be that physical about photos, they ought to wear a mask :P
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tantek deathrow1: the right answer of course is to make it explicitly optional to be *in* the photo
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tantek we have had HWC SF meetings where 1-2 people ask to not be in the photo and we always respect that
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deathrow1 tantek: for sure, especially in germany and in privacy-aware groups, but that's not how cameras worked before the days of facebook (oh, happy days)
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deathrow1 (to me, as a swede)
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@super8trash #indieweb #test #ignore (twitter.com/_/status/849672887086702592)
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@super8trash @super8trash #indieweb #reply #test (twitter.com/_/status/849673130520055810)
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tantek lol
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tantek is that from Berlin?
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gRegorLove Good morning, indieweb
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gRegorLove IWC Bellingham venue is confirmed, so we'll be updating the wiki and starting promotion today.
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gRegorLove Unfortunately the primary space we have for the first day is not wheelchair accessible, so we'll need to indicate that clearly. The second day we have a classroom space in the building that is accessible.
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tantek gRegorLove: any remote participation options?
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gRegorLove I'm not AV equipped; I'll check if they are. It's a makerspace, so good chance *someone* will be, just need to make the connection.
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tantek right, see if you can get someone to help volunteer with remote participation, at least session broadcasts with simple webcams
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gRegorLove Definitely
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tantek gRegorLove: draft up announcement summary so all the HWCs can bring it up too
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gRegorLove tantek: Suggestions on how/where to indicate the accessibility info on the wiki event page?
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tantek good question, I don't know if we've ever indicated that kind of info before
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gRegorLove I really hope it doesn't keep anyone away and I'm just overthinking it.
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tantek how do other community events / meetups indicate it?
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gRegorLove does some research
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tantek OSBridge is one possible example to take a look at
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gRegorLove finds http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Cons_with_Accessibility_Policies
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gRegorLove and http://opensourcebridge.org/wiki/Accessibility
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tantek great that's enough to start a stub
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tantek what is accessibility?
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Loqi accessibility is a practice of designing, developing and editing websites so that people with disabilities can have equal access to their information and functionality https://indieweb.org/accessibility
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tantek gRegorLove perhaps add a section for IRL / events?
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tantek since you found citations
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@super8trash @super8trash #indieweb #reply_reply #test (twitter.com/_/status/849687642170048512)
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gRegorLove What is accessibility?
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Loqi Accessibility is the practice of designing so that people with disabilities can have equal access to information and functionality, applicable to both websites as well as physical environments https://indieweb.org/accessibility
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gRegorLove Started /accessibility#Physical_Environments
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tantek gRegorLove++ awesome
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Loqi gregorlove has 82 karma in this channel (112 overall)
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tantek that reminds me, aaronpk I saw the updated prospectus notes wanting to help sponsor travel to help diveristy & inclusivity etc. should we perhaps also mention looking at daycare options?
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tantek I remember from IWS last year there was a last minute (week before?) question (implied request) for childcare and I think we were too close to the event to have a chance to arrange anything
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tantek but perhaps if we called it out as something we'd like to do that a sponsor could help with, that might get funded too
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tantek thoughts?
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calumryan Tonight just me at HWC London. Putting micropub.rocks to the test with some checks extending my micropub support to JSON, really handy having the response back to check for problems
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Loqi calumryan: tantek left you a message 1 week, 2 days ago: any HWC London next week 5th April?
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tantek heh :)
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calumryan We have potentially a new venue next time at WeWork Southbank. barryf has been looking into this. Accessibility should be ok there
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tantek oh nice
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aaronpk +1 to making daycare available
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tantek OSBridge might again be a good example here
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tantek calumryan, any chance of making it over the pond for IndieWebSummit? Either of these dates 3-4 or 24-25 June better for you? https://indieweb.org/Planning#Summit
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[manton] This might be obvious to everyone else, but couldn't find it on the wiki... Is there a city for IndieWebSummit yet?
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tantek manton, yes, Portland Oregon!
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tantek what is IndieWebSummit?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/IndieWebSummit
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tantek hmm
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[manton] tantek Cool, thanks.
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tantek edits some wiki pages
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tantek let's try that again
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tantek what is IndieWebSummit?
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Loqi Welcome to the Indie Web Summit 2017 page for planning, brainstorming, and generally all things looking forward to IndieWebSummit 2017 in Portland, Oregon https://indieweb.org/IndieWebSummit
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tantek there we go :)
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tantek thanks for the prompt Manton, hopefully that will make it easier to discover
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[manton] Great. I'll keep an eye on it in case it works out to make it... I'll be in San Jose June 3-4 (Apple's WWDC is that week) but could possibly divert up to Portland for a day.
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tantek manton what about 24-25 June? would you be able to make all of that?
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@ChrisAldrich If #Indieweb newcomers need a site to play with/test for Homebrew Website Club tonight, I've built http://known.boffosocko.com (twitter.com/_/status/849700485204496384)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "If #Indieweb newcomers need a site to play with/test for Homebrew Website Club tonight, I've built http://known.boffosocko.com" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-04-05 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/if-indieweb-newcomers-need-a-site-to-play-withtest-for
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Announcing IndieWebCamp Bellingham" https://gregorlove.com/2017/04/announcing-indiewebcamp-bellingham/
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tantek nice!
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tantek gRegorLove++
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tantek oh hey is there a HWC LA tonight?
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[manton] tantek Might be tough to make it then, but I'll check. I'd love to if I can.
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[chrisaldrich] tantek: We're skipping this week, but should be back in two weeks
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[chrisaldrich] thought I'd updated the wiki last thursday....
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@gRegorLove Announcing IndieWebCamp Bellingham https://gregorlove.com/2017/04/announcing-indiewebcamp-bellingham/ (twitter.com/_/status/849702056164306944)
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tantek chrisaldrich - just wondering because of your post ^^^
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tantek " play with/test for Homebrew Website Club tonight"
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tantek thinking you meant tonight in LA
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[chrisaldrich] tantek: Nope, it's an open Known instance I started building last night. Anyone can register for an account and play around a bit. It's got syndication to Twitter and a few other things set up to give newcomers (anywhere) the ability to see some of the power of indieweb.
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[chrisaldrich] I started building it yesterday when you made your comment about a network of Known Instances
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tantek oh cool!
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[cleverdevil] Cool ?
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[cleverdevil] (Also, hello IndieWeb!)
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[cleverdevil] I still think stream.indieweb.org should be a thing!
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aaronpk like global indieweb timeline?
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[chrisaldrich] I've turned off admin approval of new accounts for HWC, so one should be able to create an account and go.
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[cleverdevil] aaronpk more like a shared space for public discussion.
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[cleverdevil] Somewhere between the wiki and IRC.
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KartikPrabhu sounds like this channel
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[chrisaldrich] I just finished setting up oAuth on it along with the ability to post to my own personal site and crosspost into it.
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aaronpk ah that's kind of what news.indieweb.org is supposed to be too
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[chrisaldrich] It feels almost dirty to say, but I now officially "own my own silo". At least one can export their data....
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[cleverdevil] That's interesting, too, I wasn't aware of news.indieweb.org.
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aaronpk i took off the comment threading in it because it was confusing people, but i could try to bring it back.
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Salt aaronpk, how should we deal with sponsorship/reimbursement for iwc:bham?
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Loqi Salt: gRegorLove left you a message 23 hours, 53 minutes ago: new sponsorship prospectus is up on https://indieweb.org/how-to-sponsor
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aaronpk not only can you submit top-level posts, but if you replied to a post, you could also syndicate your reply to indienews and it would appear under the parent post
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[chrisaldrich] aaronpk: I don't remember comment threading... that's cool.
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aaronpk it was a while ago. i built indienews in 2013 initially, just barely after we had webmention
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[cleverdevil] So, I kind of think something that would be useful for brainstorming would be helpful.
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[cleverdevil] Though, maybe the wiki and this channel are enough?
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[cleverdevil] I dunno.
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tantek cleverdevil, yeah that's the idea, chat+wiki
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tantek chat for rapid brainstorming (which frankly beats ALL email / forum / etc. software) for speed and brevity
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tantek and then if an idea is worthy of capturing, wiki
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[cleverdevil] nods.
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aaronpk Salt: I don't have any major sponsors this year yet, so I don't have a fund to draw from for the local events. you're welcome to raise your own sponsorship, or you can point people at the wiki sponsorship page and I can handle the bookkeeping and such, and reimburse you guys for expenses.
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aaronpk maybe this is a good topic for the #meta channel heh
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[chrisaldrich] cleverdevil the chat is also logged and searchable https://indiechat.search.cweiske.de/
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[cleverdevil] I still think a Known instance would be better at some things, but I also like that we've got something already working ?
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tantek my experience is the email/forums become slow/long/overworded piles of unmaintained meh
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Salt aaronpk, I've got a sponsor, they want to know where to send money
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[cleverdevil] Yeah, mine too, but I've been exploring some interesting projects related that I think may change that.
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tantek they're slow to use, so people take more time to write to amortize the overhead of using their UI, then discussions get laborious so people get distracted, tl;dr etc.
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[cleverdevil] Or at least have the potential to.
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tantek cleverdevil, speed / low latency is the key
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aaronpk Salt: awesome. there are details in the PDF and at the bottom of the page here https://indieweb.org/how-to-sponsor
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[cleverdevil] The WordPress project (and Automattic internally) use a WordPress thing https://make.wordpress.org
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tantek cleverdevil, another intermediate thing is Etherpad
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tantek etherpad.indieweb.org
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tantek for realtime collab editing
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[cleverdevil] I enjoy etherpad.
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[cleverdevil] The WP thing is this: https://geto2.com
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[cleverdevil] Its interesting.
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Salt aaronpk, so we should just handle things locally and send excess to you post-event for bookeeping?
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aaronpk that'd work too if you don't mind handling the money
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aaronpk we're not a 501c3 so there isn't any tax benefit to having the money go through me
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tantek Salt, for some IndieWebCamp we've also tried to keep track of expenses on the wiki
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tantek so that's something to consider too
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tantek wonders now how to find those pages
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Salt alright, thanks, looks like we'll be able to start advertising the event today
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[chrisaldrich] tantek: were they categorized?
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aaronpk e.g. https://indieweb.org/2014/expenses
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tantek yes, expenses is a good subpage
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://cleverdevil.io/2017/tweetstorms-vs-publishing
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[chrisaldrich] cleverdevil
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[chrisaldrich] that O2 page looks a lot like how known works in a multi-user environment
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[cleverdevil] chrisaldrich yup, its similar.
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tantek Salt, feel free to create an expenses page for bham even as a stub
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aaronpk [cleverdevil]++ nice, looks like that wasn't too hard to figure out
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[cleverdevil] It has some additional niceities, though.
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[chrisaldrich] I've played with /P2 before, but not O2
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aaronpk we also have the ability to use https://opencollective.com/indieweb to accept donations and reimburse expenses for events. I set it up mostly for the recurring things, but it is not a bad way to do events too.
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tantek what is P2?
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Loqi P2 is a WordPress theme maintained by Automattic that supports posting from the home page and realtime updates https://indieweb.org/P2
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tantek oo
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tantek what is O2
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "O2" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek (besides an oxygen molecule ;) )
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[chrisaldrich] I think O2 is mentioned underneath the P2 page...
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[cleverdevil] What is P2?
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Loqi P2 is a WordPress theme maintained by Automattic that supports posting from the home page and realtime updates https://indieweb.org/P2
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[chrisaldrich] Looks like it's actually hiding under P2 at https://indieweb.org/WordPress/Themes
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[cleverdevil] O2 is the next generation of the [[P2]] project which enables a WordPress site to be leveraged for group collaboration and realtime updates.
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Loqi ok
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[cleverdevil] P2 << O2
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Loqi ok, I added "[[O2]]" to the "See Also" section of /P2
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dgold has been looking over the /generations page
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dgold I think there are a few conceptual steps absent viz. 1 -> 2
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dgold e.g. additional publicly available micropub/webmention practical implementations, with detailed documentation of use/customisation
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dgold i mean, I don't think of myself as g2 in that frame of reference, but I don't meet the criteria of g1 either
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[jeremycherfas] Agreed about low latency and low overhead, but it is more difficult when time zones and diurnal rhythms isolate you. That's why asynchronous can be worthwhile.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Mastodon is dead in the water" by John Henry on 2017-04-05 https://medium.com/@thejohnhenry/mastodon-is-dead-in-the-water-888c10e8abb1?source=rss-------1
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tantek wat
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tantek jeremycherfas sleep is overrated ;) (j/k)
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aaronpk well that article starts off incorrect
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Mastodon is dead in the water" by John Henry on 2017-04-05 https://medium.com/@thejohnhenry/mastodon-is-dead-in-the-water-888c10e8abb1?source=rss------social_media-5
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Mastodon is dead in the water" by John Henry on 2017-04-05 https://medium.com/@thejohnhenry/mastodon-is-dead-in-the-water-888c10e8abb1?source=rss------blockchain-5
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tantek A medium article starts with a false premise? I'm shocked ;)
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tantek ok, looks like time to de-dupe on ?source=
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tantek social_media, blockchain, ???, profit?
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aaronpk wow `source` is being used for tracking parameters now??
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KartikPrabhu so much garbage in the URLs
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tantek don't they know it's utm_source?
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tantek :P
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aaronpk that post took an unexpected turn
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KartikPrabhu it was pivoting
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aaronpk this i can agree with "Your identity should not be coupled with the moderation policy of whichever platform you host your social graph on."
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dgold i don't think he gets how bad the nazis thing is for many twitter users
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tantek How about, couple your identity with whichever platform you find has code of conduct that suits you, and if you can't find one, start your own website.
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[chrisaldrich] I find it interesting that his tagline is "Decentralized web wonk, alternative social publishing guru, spelunker of nerdy caverns". Sounds like he should be here in the chat...
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tantek "should not"s are not very actionable
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tantek chrisaldrich, does he have his own website?
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[jeremycherfas] Tantek I know, and I thoroughly disagree.
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[jeremycherfas] wishes everyone goodnight and sweet dreams.
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KartikPrabhu [jeremycherfas]: I support sleeping! night
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[chrisaldrich] I don't know. Kevinmarks mentioned him in a tweet stream last week: https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/849043081840250881 so perhaps he knows?
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@kevinmarks @BrendanEich @ckhonson @brave If you're building things into the browser, how about webmention and micropub? (twitter.com/_/status/849043081840250881)
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[chrisaldrich] jeremycherfas goodnight!
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dgold night [jeremycherfas]
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tantek night [jeremycherfas] !
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dgold notes that Eich's browser offers infogalactic as a `search engine`
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tantek what is infogalactic
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "infogalactic" yet. Would you like to create it?
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GWG If I add IndieNews to a plugin that is called Bridgy Publish, is that confusing?
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snarfed probably yes, since bridgy and indienews are unrelated
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GWG snarfed, submissions work the same way. I can't change the slug, but what would I call the plugin then?
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[chrisaldrich] GWG: if you do add IndieNews, perhaps add it in commented out code, requiring a snippet of knowledge to be able to uncover the checkbox. I suspect the Gen2+ users who have it in Bridgy Publish won't understand what it is/what it's for and will spam the site accidentally trying to figure it out.
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GWG Easter Egg?
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[chrisaldrich] Easter Egg++
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GWG Or maybe I should call mine afikomen?
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[chrisaldrich] HA!
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snarfed easter eggs can be fun, but probably not appropriate for actual functionality
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GWG I suppose I could create another plugin, but it seems like duplication.
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GWG Oh well, I will think about it more
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[chrisaldrich] I kind of like the manual nature of markup to post to news.indieweb to remind me what it was like back in the day...
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aaronpk lol
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GWG When you had to walk five miles through the snow barefoot to mention something?
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[chrisaldrich] ROFL
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[chrisaldrich] And I had to fend off the bears with my hand-lettered and mimeographed Zine.
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GWG I didn't even have a zine. I had to write my mentions in a notebook and read them in the town green on a soapbox.
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tantek that's genius. next time a bunch of us are in London let's hold a HWC in Hyde Park and bring our own literal soapboxes with our domain names written down on them, and just read posts out loud from our home pages
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[chrisaldrich] redifines /tradegy_of_the_commons on the wiki ?
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GWG Maybe someone will go on their own box and mention you.
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[chrisaldrich] that could actually be an interesting PR stunt tantek...
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dgold tantek: infogalactic is an alt-right fork of wikipedia
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GWG Would you open up a repository just to collect ideas about a project you aren't going to do right now?
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GWG But might in future?
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snarfed GWG: sounds like a web page?
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snarfed e.g. https://snarfed.org/ideas (warning, old and out of date)
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Loqi [Ryan Barrett] ideas
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aaronpk GWG: i've done that for a couple
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aaronpk to document specific features as issues
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GWG I want to collect my ideas on an avatar/nicknames cache in WordPress so when I am ready to work on it... I have them documented.
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GWG I want it to be public.
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GWG Maybe a page is best until I write anything
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GWG On the other hand, the repo would become the plugin repo with all the features as issues
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[eddie] just catching up on some of the discussions about IndieNews and stream.indieweb.org. IndieNews feels to me like a long-form post syndication site. I wonder if I mis-understand IndieNews or if something like stream.indieweb.org might be applicable to be a note/threaded conversation syndicated site?
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[eddie] Thinking of IndieNews more like a newspaper and stream.indieweb.org more like a “twitter” channel or back in the day before Twitter got big, a “global” timeline. However, it wouldn’t be global as much as just syndicated notes..... I don’t know. Just thinking about it, I don’t know that I would ever feel comfortable syndicating a short note to IndieNews and wondering if there is some place for that. Maybe, like cleverdevil and tantek sa
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[eddie] ?
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aaronpk it's interesting what people project onto tools like IndieNews. there's certainly nothing wrong with posting a short note there. it will even format it nicely.
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tantek eddie, like a planet?
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tantek what is a planet?
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Loqi A planet, in the context of the indieweb, and blogs/feeds for even longer, is a site that aggregates feeds/updates from a variety of sources, typically focused on a particular topic or community https://indieweb.org/planet
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tantek that sounds like what you're talking abou in terms of a "global timeline" or stream
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[eddie] tantek: ah, yes, planet is what I was talking about ?
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[eddie] aaronpk: I guess it’s because I only see long-form writing on it ?
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tantek what is a global timeline
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "global timeline" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is a timeline
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Loqi The timeline briefly documents key IndieWeb terms/ideas/concepts, implementations, specifications, and other achievements; people involved, and dates/URLs for each https://indieweb.org/timeline
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tantek huh
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tantek where is Loqi?
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tantek hmm
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[eddie] and aaronpk: They all get included in the newsletter, right?
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aaronpk they do
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tantek I thought we documented Twitter's global timeline somewhere
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tantek what is public timeline
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Loqi public timeline is a silo/aggregator feature that displays all profile/subscription public posts in a reverse chronological order, popularized by Twitter who dropped it in late 2012 https://indieweb.org/public_timeline
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tantek that's it
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[eddie] Not that I would have anything wrong with a short post being in the newsletter, but seems like the newsletter could get quickly cluttered if it became more of an aggregated note post platform
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tantek global timeline is /public_timeline
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Loqi ok
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tantek timeline << public timeline
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Loqi ok, I added "[[public timeline]]" to the "See Also" section of /timeline
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aaronpk [eddie]: well i could always exclude notes from the newsletter, and just link to indienews from the newsletter
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[eddie] aaronpk: That makes sense, that could make it feel less “haunting” to post a note if it wasn’t included in the newsletter.
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[kevinmarks] Cory and Suw used to do Hyde Park Corner speaking when they were in London in blog times
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[kevinmarks] Wow, flickr is really shit now when you click through on mobile
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[kevinmarks] https://www.flickr.com/photos/doctorow/5520868/in/photolist-uiao-2eMqm-2eMrS-uibK-2eMpo-2eMoT-4Vy8a-4VxH5-4c4GG-4VxYb-4VxG3-hTUmF-4VxHR
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@ChrisAldrich @Paul_Kinlan I suspect you might appreciate http://indieweb.org/twitter#POSSE_to_Twitter & generally some of the documentation at https://indieweb.org wiki (twitter.com/_/status/849732329765523457)
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tantek chrisaldrich++
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@ChrisAldrich @denials Are you using Known as a tool, for #Indieweb purposes, or both? https://indieweb.org/Indieweb_for_Education #edtech (twitter.com/_/status/849737910773587972)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "@denials Are you using Known as a tool, for #Indieweb purposes, or both? https://indieweb.org/Indieweb_for_Education #edtech" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-04-05 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/denials-are-you-using-known-as-a-tool-for-indieweb
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@grantcodes Day 86 of #100DaysOfCode: Added a method to verify access tokens to my #indieweb micropub helper: https://github.com/grantcodes/micropub (twitter.com/_/status/849748234885005319)
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@acegiak @AlaynaMCole @Gaohmee @beaknit @nicktatorship This is why I like the indieweb approach everyone is their own instance and moderator. (twitter.com/_/status/849767831260479488)
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tantek acegiak++
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Loqi acegiak has 31 karma