#indieweb 2017-04-06

2017-04-06 UTC
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@keithjgrant Looks like I’ll have some more tooling to integrate into it from my indieweb site (twitter.com/_/status/849781507841556481)
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gRegorLove Hello from Bellingham HWC! Just two of us tonight so far. Which is our average attendance. :)
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aaronpk pdx kicking off
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aaronpk tomas: adventuring.bike
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aaronpk ... blogging about bike adventures
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aaronpk ... last thing i did on my site besides blog posts, is linking it up to facebook / twitter, and trying instagram but that didn't work
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aaronpk ... when i post something on my blog, it gets share to instagram, twitter, facebook
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aaronpk ... oh and i changed my theme
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aaronpk ... because it's wordpress
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aaronpk scott: scottcarver.info, it's a wordpress site
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aaronpk ... i dont think i've updated it in a few years
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aaronpk ... i've been trying to get back into maintaining my personal website,
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aaronpk ... it's hard cause i do web stuff all day
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aaronpk ... lately been focusing on long form content, so i've been working on a wordpress theme that focuses on long form content. it's not live yet.
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aaronpk ... i'm not sure what my relationship with my website is yet
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aaronpk .... i think i'lll have everything default to private. i think i'm past the point where i think people will get value from all my content. sometimes i just post stuff that might have been cool 5 years ago but doesn't have as much value now
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aaronpk ... i want my website to be something that's personally enriching, like a bicycle for the mind, but just for me
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aaronpk caleb:
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aaronpk ... i technically have a website, but it's not a proper website, so i'm not going to tell you it
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aaronpk ... i work at dreamhost, so i thought i'd come see what's going on
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aaronpk wick perry: wick.works
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aaronpk ... the last thing i changed on my site, is the last thing my kickstarter ended i changed the banner to my itch.io page
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aaronpk ... it's gotten one preorder since then
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aaronpk nagisa: nuggit.nu
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aaronpk ... the last thing i did on my site was i uploaded a coding challenge so i could get the job that i have now
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aaronpk nick cummings:
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aaronpk ... i have several websites, hosted on squarespace, but i also work there
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aaronpk ... nickcummings.com, i moved it to github pages after i got tired of paying hostgator
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aaronpk ... i want to get back to blogging, but without wordpress. the last thing i did was updated my resume.
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gRegorLove tantek: Have you documented how your ISBN links work? The destination Amazon URL structure is what I'm looking for, I guess.
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gRegorLove Format appears to be amazon.com/db/[ten-digit-ISBN]
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gRegorLove s/db/dp/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Mastodon.Social isn’t as Federated or as Decentralized as the Indie Web" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-04-06 http://boffosocko.com/2017/04/05/mastodon-social-isnt-as-federated-or-as-decentralized-as-the-indie-web/
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GWG tantek, did I see something about a mutual friend?
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gRegorLove what is Amazon Standard Identification Numbers?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Amazon Standard Identification Numbers" yet. Would you like to create it?
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gRegorLove What is ASIN?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "ASIN" yet. Would you like to create it?
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gRegorLove Amazon Standard Identification Numbers is a unique 10-character identifier Amazon uses for products https://www.amazon.com/gp/seller/asin-upc-isbn-info.html
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Loqi ok
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gRegorLove ASIN is Amazon Standard Identification Numbers
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Loqi ok
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@HongPong Look you've gotten the concept of 'silos' really backwards. the point is that they are *not* silos http://indieweb.org/silos << @LanceUlanoff (twitter.com/_/status/849796609571422208)
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tantek hello from HWC SF
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[karaemurphy] Hello!
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tantek welcome [karaemurphy] !
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[karaemurphy] I'll say hello, again. Live from SF.
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tantek [karaemurphy]++
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Loqi karaemurphy has 1 karma
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[karaemurphy] tantek Thank you!
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KartikPrabhu welcome!
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gRegorLove o/ tantek
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tantek announcements
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gRegorLove Hello, [karaemurphy]!
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tantek IWS 2017 is on and confirmed for June in Portland Oregon
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tantek two possible dates, June 3-4, or June 24-25
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tantek [karaemurphy]: I can't make June 24-25
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tantek ... but I could make June 3-4
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tantek j12t: I don't think I can make either
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gRegorLove Is IWS likely to be at Vadio again this year?
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aaronpk Vadio is no more
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tantek Kia - has a personal website for years, has several websites
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tantek ... do you have to host it on your own server?
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tantek tantek: no, though you can
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tantek j12t: raspberry pi!
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tantek benwerd: I can only due June 24-25
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tantek benwerd: I cannot be away on June 3-4
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tantek erinjo: no objection to either date
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tantek j12t: do we have a venue for IWS?
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tantek where is IndieWebSummit?
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tantek what is IndieWebSummit?
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Loqi Welcome to the Indie Web Summit 2017 page for planning, brainstorming, and generally all things looking forward to IndieWebSummit 2017 in Portland, Oregon https://indieweb.org/IndieWebSummit
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tantek what is IndieWebCamp Bellingham?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "IndieWebCamp Bellingham" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek huh
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tantek benwerd: I'm super curious about websites
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tantek ... e.g. you (Kara) are running yours on squarespace
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tantek Kia: I have many websites, one that plays music I wrote. I have a book website.
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tantek ... I am also managing my own site datingthoughts.com
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tantek ... and I have a WordPress blog
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tantek ,,, and I have a nother website about plastic pollution called plastickills.com
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tantek s/Kia/Kiai
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gRegorLove What is IndieWebCamp Bellingham
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/IndieWebCamp_Bellingham
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tantek now watching the music video at plastickills.com
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tantek and we're at 7 now at HWC SF
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[karaemurphy] http://karaemurphy.co
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tantek [karaemurphy]: built on squarespace
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tantek ... for someone like me who likes to create more than figure out the backend
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tantek ... I want to incorporate it with 500px
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tantek ... so that I can sell some
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tantek we are now checking out [karaemurphy]'s amazing drone photo from ~400' above the new span of the bay bridge!!!
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[karaemurphy] http://www.karaemurphy.co/2017/1/22/over-the-bridge
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[kiai] Here's my blog: motorcyclebaby.com
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[karaemurphy] I have a creative name for the photo but I need to write a post explaining how I legally captured this image. Part 107 rules are still a bit strict but there are workarounds. I need to blog more.
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tantek [karaemurphy]: I recommend importing into Medium for additional distribution. Own your content on your own site, but also import to Medium for a broader audience.
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tantek EJ: does it backdate properly?
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tantek benwerd: yes!
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j12t_ IBIS: Issue-based information system -- a way of figuring out stuff without the rhetoric getting into the way: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issue-Based_Information_System
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tantek j12t: I'm frustrated by the reading situation
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tantek ...
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tantek benwerd: I want to come back to the idea of external pressures
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tantek ... this meetup was started to share stuff we have done on our websites
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tantek ... can we widen what we share to beyond code?
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tantek EJ: j12t why haven't you built what you want?
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tantek j12t I haven't had the time
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gRegorLove I added an ISBN-redirect thing to my site tonight for use with my /read posts. Example: https://gregorlove.com/2017/01/want-to-read-bad-paper/
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] Want to read: Bad Paper: Chasing Debt from Wall Street to the Underworld
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gRegorLove I also updated to use h-cite
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tantek gRegorLove: nice! I've had a /isbn redirect for a while and would be interested to hear what you did
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gRegorLove Aye, I asked about that shortly before you came on for HWC. :)
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bignose if I'm starting a new blog, what is the best way for me to POSSE it? how much work am I in for, if I currently don't have a site to host it on?
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gRegorLove tantek: I ended up using https://github.com/mwhite/php-isbn/blob/master/Isbn.php
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gRegorLove And redirect to amazon.com/dp/[ten-digit-isbn]
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tantek gRegorLove: yeah I built something like that: asin.cc
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gRegorLove Ah, cool!
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bignose do I need to find a free-software-friendly hosting site, pay them in Bitcoin, install and manage Pelican, essentially become a webmaster?
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bignose or is there a better-tridden path to starting a new blog in the IndieWeb?
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gRegorLove Hi bignose. No, ideally you don't have to go down that route (unless you wanted to)
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gRegorLove You could run /Known or /WordPress or a static generated site, whatever you're most comfortable with
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[karaemurphy] tantek is hotlinking from Swarm which, oddly enough, preserves resolution.
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gRegorLove bignose: /Bridgy has a publish feature that makes it pretty easy to POSSE several places.
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bignose gRegorLove: thanks. the question is less about choosing software, and more about choosing hosting; do I need to choose and run all the pieces myself, or is there an easier option that sitll retains all the control needed for POSSE?
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gRegorLove You could technically use tumblr with your own domain name, and not handle all the hosting stuff that way.
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gRegorLove Known (used to?) have hosted instances like username.withknown.com. Pretty sure that's no longer the case unfortunately.
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gRegorLove So there's a whole spectrum; "being a webmaster" ideally should not be required. We're always trying to make it easier.
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gRegorLove Mention Known, benwerd appears. :)
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gRegorLove bignose: To be clear, /Bridgy is a service you can use to POSSE regardless of your hosting, CMS, or lack of CMS
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miklb micro.blog will be another option to not have to host your own, though not sure when will be open to public registrations.
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miklb laso suggests a Jekyll site hosted on GitHub as a no-hosting option that can support IndieWeb features
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miklb s/laso/also/
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@HongPong again how to set up a #mastodon instance on Linux centos 7 https://medium.com/@JungleStrike/deploying-a-mastodon-instance-on-centos-7-5073bd1ad265 #digitalocean #docker #PostgreSQL #gnusocial #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/849815856754434048)
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tantek huh, Netflix just prompted me "Now it's easier to tell us what you like. ? ? " / "Rate TV shows & movies to improve your suggestions." / "Your previous star ratings will still be used to personalize your Netflix experience."
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tantek wondering if this means no more star ratings
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aaronpk that's what I hear
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tantek and wonder why they switched from 1-5 stars to thumbs up/down
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tantek is 1-5 stars really such a cognitive load that they didn't get enough input?
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tantek can I thumb down this new rating system?
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tantek wow this literally changed today
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KartikPrabhu youtube is increasing cognitive load, if I tell it "not interested" for some video it says "tell us why"
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tantek lol
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tantek the questions will continue until morale improves
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tantek s/questions/interogation
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Salt[m] Boo at the Netflix change, I still miss when you had double axis star ratings on okc... Oh the research that could be done...
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jihaisse al
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[kevinmarks] Mastodon << http://tooter.today
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Loqi ok, I added "http://tooter.today" to the "See Also" section of /Mastodon
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@nxD4n Should #indieweb not have been what #mastodon is now? (twitter.com/_/status/849908251697303552)
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@petermolnar @nxD4n Heh. #mastodon is diaspora* 2.0, so no, probably not. #indieweb is still based on websites and web presence. (twitter.com/_/status/849908556992270336)
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KevinMarks so is this a kind of implicit rel="me" ? https://twitter.com/notch/status/705921760256880640
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@notch @TheFrenchCritic https://sealion.club/notch (twitter.com/_/status/705921760256880640)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Looks like I’ll have some more tooling to integrate into it from my indieweb site" on 2017-04-06 http://keithjgrant.com/replies/2017/04/1367/
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@hex_pm webmentions (0.3.0): A Webmentions (https://indieweb.org/Webmention) module for Elixir https://hex.pm/packages/webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/849953652420648960)
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@jgmac1106 Anyone try a zeronet site yet? https://zeronet.io/en #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/849954816365387777)
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KevinMarks twitter admits that its app woudl be better as a website? https://lite.twitter.com/
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dgold hadn't realised mastodon was AGPL
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Mastodon is dead in the water" by John Henry on 2017-04-05 https://medium.com/@thejohnhenry/mastodon-is-dead-in-the-water-888c10e8abb1?source=rss-635cad5df2ff------3
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aaronpk Watching the confusion about Mastodon usernames and identity is a good lesson in this stuff
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jeremycherfas is glad he is managing to avoid the oncoming Mastodon
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@wabaus @kevinmarks - Anyone from IndieWeb attending the Music Biz Metadata Summit? Hoping standards prevail :) http://www.musicconnection.com/metadata-summit-music-biz-nashville/ (twitter.com/_/status/849978608500318209)
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calumryan tantek: can’t make IndieWebSummit as too far away
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deathrow1 does anyone have an example of a software dev contract clause stating that some of the material delivered can be released as open source/FOSS/FLOSS?
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deathrow1 am trying to make up one myself, in the style of a contract an agency is going to use for a new client
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deathrow1 "3. The CUSTOMER can choose to license material delivered under this agreement, in whole or in part, for third party usage including, but not limited to, open source licenses for public use. The CUSTOMER retains aforementioned ownership of the material, including copyright, but can transfer it to the CONTRACTOR or a third party. The scope of material licensed, ownership, and which license to apply, must be agreed upon in writing, and can not be wi
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deathrow1 s/ can / may /g
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deathrow1 good enough?
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snarfed deathrow1: not many lawyers here, and a bit off topic. maybe try another channel?
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deathrow1 snarfed: sure
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dgold whistles & checks his watch
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[kevinmarks] deathrow1: I have done this before, but it depends on the structure of the contract. In general I have changed the copyright assignment section to exclude open source code. This may be better for #dev though
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@atarkowski #IWill set up a domain of my own and be part of #indieweb. #OER17 shout out to @jimgroom thanks for inspiration :) (twitter.com/_/status/850009589802307585)
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GWG Good morrow
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Mastodon is dead in the water" by John Henry on 2017-04-05 https://hackernoon.com/mastodon-is-dead-in-the-water-888c10e8abb1?source=rss----3a8144eabfe3---4
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aaronpk just made loqi ignore "source" and "utm_" and fragment when checking whether a superfeedr ping was already received
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gRegorLove Good morning, indieweb
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GWG Do you think the Indieweb needs a mascot?
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gRegorLove I thought that was indiewebcat, sorta :)
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GWG I was looking at the cute mastadon
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gRegorLove I liked the Fail Mastodon that I saw screenshots of.
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GWG I thought maybe we need a cute cartoon to make us more approachable
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[cleverdevil] I still think it all comes down to usability and user experience.
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[cleverdevil] Its easy to sign up for mastodon.
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GWG I am not stopping that
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[cleverdevil] I'm hopeful that Manton's Micro.blog efforts will give a similar effect.
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aaronpk https://indiewebcat.com/2016/04/10/3/photo.jpeg
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[cleverdevil] And will allow for more seamless participation between IndieWeb and Micro.blog.
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[cleverdevil] People can start on Micro.blog and then move to their own site if they want to.
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GWG aaronpk, cute
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GWG cleverdevil, by the way, I continued my ramblings with a part 2
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[jeremycherfas] Given how many different approaches people have to doing indieweb, and how not easy it is at the moment, the idea of a single cute logo is liable to give people a very false impression.
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GWG I was thinking like Smoky the Bear
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[cleverdevil] GWG, awesome, I'll take a look ?
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GWG "Indiewebcat says.. Only you can prevent silos."
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ben_thatmustbeme hah
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snarfed tries to parse https://blog.twitter.com/2017/building-the-future-of-the-twitter-api-platform
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GWG Indiewebcat weeping a single tear over a bunch of dead silos?
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snarfed takeaways seem to be:
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snarfed * turning the API into more of a business by charging for more of it, mostly by volume
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snarfed * charging search for results older than a week or month (!)
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snarfed * merging firehose/gnip into REST API, open them up to self serve
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snarfed * adding more API access to DMs
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snarfed * merging streaming APIs into REST API
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Loqi [superfeedr] "IndiewebPress: Connecting Your Site and Mine - David Shanske" by Jonathan LaCour on 2017-04-06 https://david.shanske.com/2017/04/05/indiewebpress-connecting-your-site-and-mine/
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[manton] cleverdevil Thanks, I hope that's the case. It's gotta be easy to get started.
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[cleverdevil] That said, I do think that Mastodon is going to represent a bit of a challenge to Micro.blog, and I am unhappy with the timing of its little popularity burst at the moment ?
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aaronpk well you'll be able to subscribe to mastodon accounts from micro.blog since they publish an atom feed
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[manton] snarfed That was essentially my take as well. I wish I knew what the paid plans looked like. Are these for smaller developers or for enterprise customers? (And the older search results, currently you can't get _anything_ past a week from the API, so I guess paid archives is an improvement.)
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aaronpk (i just tried subscribing in woodwind and it worked)
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[cleverdevil] That's good news.
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aaronpk i haven't had luck subscribing to my own feed from mastodon yet though. it seems to be very finicky about what it considers a "valid" account
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snarfed ooh and the API will finally return replies and favorites! "finally" being the key word. :P https://trello.com/c/lJWvymkF/19-account-activity-api-general-availability
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[manton] aaronpk Where in the Mastodon UI does it allow you to subscribe to another feed? Or are you hitting the API and passing it as the uri?
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aaronpk the little search box above the toot box
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aaronpk you can enter a full account name in the box. i was trying to subscribe to "@aaronpk@aaron.pk"
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aaronpk https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2017-04-06-10-38-39.png
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[manton] Oh. But I assume you to set up the various Mastodon pieces like WebFinger to hook that up, right? I thought you meant it could discover a feed on it's own.
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dgold you set up your own mastodon instance?
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aaronpk yeah i was trying to see what it takes to set that up. not having luck.
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aaronpk no, just trying to set up the webfinger bits to make it subscribe to my existing atom feed
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aaronpk I don't see a reason mastodon shouldn't allow you to just type a URL there and have it subscribe to it
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aaronpk maybe a pull request opportunity
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dgold re earlier comments - I think the 'ease of sign up' is only a partial explanation for mastodon's mind-share acquisition
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dgold its essentially doing what Identi.ca did, and Gnu Social, but it _looks_ modern, it _looks_ relevant
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tantek aaronpk definitely a pull request opportunity
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tantek Statusnet used to support that
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aaronpk good point!
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tantek they literally fixed their UI to just accept "tantek.com" and it worked because I had PuSH updated AS1/Atom
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aaronpk if that gets added, then the next step would be adding webmention sending, then webmention receiving, then it would be a pretty solid player in the indieweb space
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tantek dgold++ exactly. the entirety of Mastodon's sudden popularity among a slightly wider set of folks than Identica and Gnu Social can be credited to their *simple* UI that just looks like old twitter
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Loqi dgold has 13 karma in this channel (15 overall)
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deathrow1 what is Qvitter
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Qvitter" yet. Would you like to create it?
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deathrow1 what is Quitter
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Loqi Quitter is a public instance of GNU social with a Twitter-like skin https://indieweb.org/Quitter
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tantek just goes to show how important UX is
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dgold tantek++ it _really_ does
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Loqi tantek has 211 karma in this channel (327 overall)
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deathrow1 i've applied for funding to work on gnu social; first to catch up with the issue backlog, then add features
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deathrow1 will see in two months if it gets accepted; likelihood is unfortunately low
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deathrow1 https://quitter.se/joelpurra
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@ChrisAldrich @atarkowski Congratulations! You might appreciate some of the growing edu/research related examples at https://indieweb.org/Indieweb_for_Education #edtech (twitter.com/_/status/850043350157856769)
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gRegorLove Mastodon's popularity is interesting to me in that it's a halfway step between silo and your own site. I was wondering last night if the pain points of Mastodon might push people more towards their own site.
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gRegorLove Probably not in nearly the same numbers, until /reader integration is much better, but still.
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@ChrisAldrich @atarkowski Lots of resources at https:http://indieweb.org with a chat available for help and other advice at https://indieweb.org/discuss (twitter.com/_/status/850043896990138368)
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tantek chrisaldrich++ for all the positive outreach
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Mastodon is dead in the water" by John Henry on 2017-04-05 https://hackernoon.com/mastodon-is-dead-in-the-water-888c10e8abb1?source=rss----3a8144eabfe3---4
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aaronpk aw man, why didn't that work
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[chrisaldrich] aaronpk: it was a different base URL at least....
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[chrisaldrich] It's been interesting seeing the huge uptick in activity on Mastodon.social's github account this past week. The attention is helping it do more than just add users.
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[chrisaldrich] 25 PRs and dozens of issues filed in the last day alone... https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon
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aaronpk well let's see what happens with this https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/1081
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[chrisaldrich] I'm guessing it'll take them some time to catch up on the backlog while they're fighting the fires of people overwhelming their servers.
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[chrisaldrich] manton, have you got a plan in place for when micro.blog launches for handling extra capacity just in case?
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singpolyma anyone hasked for webmention yet?
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aaronpk the ruby gem would make it a pretty straightforward project
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[manton] chrisaldrich I hope it will scale fairly well. Timeline caching, blog publishing, and photo storage are designed to split across multiple servers.
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miklb is there a way to mute a keyword in IRC? asking for a friend…
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aaronpk lol miklb
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aaronpk it would depend on the IRC client
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miklb doesn't look like Textual supports it. Twitter 1 IRC 0 lol
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miklb I'm probably one of few people in this channel with zero interest in Mastodon
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aaronpk my interest in it extends only to the extent that it seems they did some things right in order to grow this large so quickly. I want to learn from that.
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miklb fair point
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aaronpk and also if there's an opportunity to make it indieweb friendly, that would be great too
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[kevinmarks] is woodwind up again?
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aaronpk seems so
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aaronpk tho the ssl cert expired last week
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[chrisaldrich] manton The benefit of watching Mastodon right now is to see what the pain points may be. As part of the community, I'm happy to help people in the onboarding process when the time comes.
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[chrisaldrich] As a community, that will also be a good time for all of us to help people to create their own sites that will work in conjunction with/along side of micro.blog.
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[chrisaldrich] What is Mastodon?
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Loqi Mastodon is an open source implementation of a federated social network with several running instances that is compatible with GNU Social https://indieweb.org/Mastodon
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[kiai] I could google it, but for the fun of it, what's Mastodon? ?
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[chrisaldrich] ^^ kiai
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KartikPrabhu [kiai]: https://indieweb.org/Mastodon
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[kiai] Thanks. Interesting. I'm trying to build a social network. for a nonprofit I'm calling Care For Us.
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[chrisaldrich] kiai Just ask Loqi by asking a direct question and usually a reasonable answer will present itself.
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[chrisaldrich] kiai from scratch? or on something pre-existing?
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[kevinmarks] singpolyma https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/122
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[kiai] chrisaldrich Testing open-source systems right now. Tried elgg. Currently trying humhub.
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singpolyma [kevinmarks]: that's h-card, but not webmention sending or receiving, yeah?
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[kevinmarks] kiai depending on how you plan to invite people, withknown may work
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[chrisaldrich] If you liked the idea of elgg, you might consider /Known which is an indieweb friendly CMS built by the same people
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[kevinmarks] no, I had to manually send the webmention
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[kiai] Met Ben yesterday.
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[chrisaldrich] kiai https://teach.kqed.org/ is built on it
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[kiai] Was only using elgg to build a prototype, but building a plugin just to put the logo in place of the title was ridiculous.
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[kevinmarks] see also https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/121
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[chrisaldrich] I've got a group known instance at http://known.boffosocko.com that you can create an account at to test-drive a bit if you like. It supports syndicating to twitter and you can set up brid.gy for backfeed as well.
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[kiai] Will need major security on the site, because of financial information. The platform is a way for individuals to make tax-deductible donations of goods and services to other individuals.
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[kiai] Can Known support that?
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[chrisaldrich] kiai I suspect it could pretty easily, but that might be a better question for them directly at http;//withknown.com
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[chrisaldrich] s/;/:
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KartikPrabhu isn't there an IRC/slack channel for known?
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[kiai] Thanks chrisaldrich !
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[chrisaldrich] kiai there is a separate /known channel if you want to continue there or if you want to ask questions later.
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aaronpk #withknown on freenode, and #known on this slack
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[kiai] Thanks, guys!
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[jeremycherfas] !tell miklb No you're not.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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miklb not what?
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm guessing that was in response to <miklb> I'm probably one of few people in this channel with zero interest in Mastodon
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[jeremycherfas] The only person here with precious little interest in Mastodon.
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miklb yeah, I didn't quite say that
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dgold i joined it to see how the onboarding worked - its done extremely well
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dgold the `hide sensitive content` facility is also well done -- but hardly likely to succeed in its stated goal of creating a `safe space`, as its dependent on user goodwill at creation time
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dgold [chrisaldrich]: what version of Known are you currently using?
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[chrisaldrich] my personal site is 0.9.2, but I spun up a group site for fun the other day that's running the master branch (http://known.boffosocko.com if you want to test-drive)
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dgold I just can't understand how your 0.9.2 has _working_ likes and replies, whereas anytime I try it, it fails completely.
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[chrisaldrich] moves Known convo to #known
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[cleverdevil] Good afternoon IndieWeb ?
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[cleverdevil] Great conversation above re: Mastodon.
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[cleverdevil] User experience is *king*!
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@jkphl Added some #IndieEvents to my site — of course garnished w/ @microformats & HTML Microdata #indiewebcamp #material17 https://jkphl.is/events/ (twitter.com/_/status/850078084149727232)
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[cleverdevil] So, Apple's Clips app is out, and it seems to support general iOS "Share Sheets."
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[cleverdevil] Which is awesome news, actually.
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[chrisaldrich] What is Clips?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Clips" yet. Would you like to create it?
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[cleverdevil] Clips is an [[iOS]] app from [[Apple]] that lets you create video "stories" made popular by [[Snapchat]] and now copied by [[Instagram]] and [[Facebook]]. Interestingly, Clips doesn't have a built in social network, and instead allows you to share to any network or simply to save the video file to your device for sharing elsewhere. Clips can be found on the iOS app store here - https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/clips/id1212699939?mt=8
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Loqi ok
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[cleverdevil] Fun - https://cleverdevil.io/2017/my-first-clip-story
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Loqi [Jonathan LaCour] My first Clip story 0 min read
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aaronpk whoa what
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[cleverdevil] I uploaded it to my object storage via Dropshare and then quickly embedded it with an HTML5 video tag on my Known instance.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Don't know if I'll ever get around to running my own instance or doing IndieW..." on 2017-04-06 https://mastodon.social/users/larand/updates/1671758
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[cleverdevil] Would be cool to create a Micropub share sheet for iOS!
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aaronpk yeah i want that really bad
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[cleverdevil] IIRC, someone was working on that.
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aaronpk wait what, a superfeedr ping from a mastodon instance!
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KartikPrabhu isn't it all rss/atom?
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[chrisaldrich] loqi++ for picking up mastodon!
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Loqi loqi has 56 karma in this channel (421 overall)
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aaronpk i mean yeah, just wasn't expecting that
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[chrisaldrich] Interestingly I was having a chat with larand less than 30minutes ago on 10C about indieweb. Glad to see he's slipping down the rabbithole with us.
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[kevinmarks] I thought mastodon.social switched from suprfeeder to their own push hub
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aaronpk superfeedr subscribes to everything it can find
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[chrisaldrich] they may have switched back recently for possible latency issues they're facing? Or maybe changed it in github source for the benefit of other instances, and didn't change it back manually on a re-deploy?
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aaronpk nah, it's still referencing the internal hub
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aaronpk hey neat, mastodon.social passes the websub.rocks test
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raucao hah, all of my irc is full of mastodon now :)
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Salt yeah, I wasn't able to sign up yet, waiting for them to re-open
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gRegorLove track.superfeedr.com doesn't seem to include PuSHes I send to my username hub there, gregorlove.superfeedr.com, or at least Loqi isn't showing them if so.
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aaronpk gRegorLove: that's odd
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aaronpk superfeedr's tracker things are kind of a black box. i'm not really sure how to troubleshoot it.
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gRegorLove Woodwind subscribed and updated with that hub, though, so pretty sure the PuSHes are still working. Haven't checked in a couple weeks.
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[chrisaldrich] Salt, you could always subscribe to another instance: http://tooter.today/ can help you choose a stable one...
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Salt [chrisaldrich], sure, or I can wait as it is super low priority
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[eddie] What is Indigenous?
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Loqi Indigenous is a simple action extension for iOS and macOS for posting your website using Micropub https://indieweb.org/Indigenous
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[eddie] Cleverdevil: ?
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[cleverdevil] Ah hah! That's right ?
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[cleverdevil] Clips + Indigenous would be super cool.
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[eddie] Now that I've fully integrated my node.js with Jekyll this week, I'm hoping to have some visible progress on indigenous next week
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[cleverdevil] fantastic.
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[cleverdevil] Definitely let me know if you need testers.
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[eddie] I definitely have had indigenous on my mind since I read the clips press release ?
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[eddie] I'm sure the more testers the better since various Micropub endpoints sometimes have their own quirks from what I can tell
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[cleverdevil] Indeed.
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aaronpk hopefully people will start using micropub.rocks more so they will be more consistent
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aaronpk although I do like the aspect of micropub that lets you implement it incrementally
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[cleverdevil] Discovered shpub today. Pretty neat ?
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[cleverdevil] It is making me realize that Known's Micropub implementation is lacking a bit...
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[kevinmarks] Mastodon << https://robek.world/featured/what-is-gnu-social-and-is-mastodon-social-a-twitter-clone/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://robek.world/featured/what-is-gnu-social-and-is-mastodon-social-a-twitter-clone/" to the "See Also" section of /Mastodon
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@m_ott Just wrote a little plugin for @CraftCMS that notifies the Internet Archive to archive the URL of a saved entry. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/850116242912444416)
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