#indieweb 2017-04-07

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tantek !tell benwerd could you post the HWC SF 2017-04-05 photo? https://indieweb.org/events/2017-04-05-homebrew-website-club#Photos Thanks!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek I gotta remember to just get benwerd to airdrop me the photo next time instead
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tantek nice HWC PDX photo aaronpk!
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@sdepolo @DIYMarketers @michaelranaii @socialbytw Agree. Join #indieWeb! Use code to pull your social feeds onto your own si… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/850150324383825920 (twitter.com/_/status/850150324383825920)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Learning WordPress Comments Deeply – Why?" by miklb on 2017-04-07 https://miklb.com/learning-wordpress-comments-deeply-why/
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miklb that is amazing. I don't think my WP site had finished the publish.
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miklb after all of that, I messed up bridgy-publish and didn't include the link in the tweet, so had to manually POSSE. Not sure if I'm backfeeding correctly. :-(
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miklb now that I've fixed comments on my site, I can go back and revisit why the retrieve button isn't working for post-kinds
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miklb for me that is.
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miklb well darn. Thought I had figured out my comment filtering, but a "native" webmentions reply doesn't get the webmention comment_type stripped, so back to the drawing board
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miklb native webmention reply seems to mean came in as "mention" not a "reply"
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[chrisaldrich] Was that the one from my Known install?
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miklb yes
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miklb guess I need to read the source code of semantic_linkbacks closer
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[chrisaldrich] miklb: that may be a generic bug with webmention receipt on WordPress. I've seen it a few times before. Typically I just tweak it in the database by hand when it happens... can't remember if I've filed it as a but before.
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[chrisaldrich] s/but/bug
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-04-07.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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miklb tweak how?
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[chrisaldrich] miklb: you can go into individual pages that the newsletter is drawn from to fix any errors. Sometimes HWC locations/times/places are off due to microformats, people want to add photos, or fix grammatical errors.
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miklb no, I meant how do you tweak in the database.
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[chrisaldrich] I like that it's pulling podcasts from huffduffer tagged indieweb. I went in and manually modified the metadata in those to make them a bit friendlier.
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[chrisaldrich] miklb: oh sorry, you meant tweak in my wp database.... let me pull it up for you.
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miklb I removed the webmention comment_type so it appears in my custom query, just curious your approach. Need to figure out why webmention/semantic_linkbacks didn't parse your reply as a reply.
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[chrisaldrich] in wp_comments, you can remove "webmention" from the comment_type field
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miklb But am now also seeing reactions from Twitter not being associated with notes syndicated to Twitter without a link in the note.
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[chrisaldrich] You can also and in wp_commentmeta you can change semantic_linkbacks_type to "reply" instead of "mention"
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miklb well, the way I've written my comment query, if it stays a webmention, it wouldn't show up in the replies. I've imported my comments and comments_meta into my local dev to test.
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miklb Thanks for the reply/mention so I can debug more!
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[chrisaldrich] I would have replied anyway, but it also sounded like you needed something to test against, so I double targeted and sent both a standard webmention and POSSEd it to reply to your twitter copy too.
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[chrisaldrich] I'm not sure if it may help any as an alternate example, but I think the /Independent_Publisher theme does something like what I'm guessing you're doing.
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[chrisaldrich] though I kind of recall that it had some kind of bug in its comment.php output when I looked at it several months ago.
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miklb why oh why isn't bridgy seeing my syndication links now. Something I broke in my theme refresh I'm guessing.
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KartikPrabhu miklb: link to your post?
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miklb https://miklb.com/learning-wordpress-comments-deeply-why/
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Loqi [miklb] Learning WordPress Comments Deeply – Why?
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KartikPrabhu I don;t see any syndication links there
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miklb it's just a small Twitter icon below the footnote
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aaronpk Don't forget webmention.rocks can comment on your posts too
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miklb the only problem I'm having is when I post a note to Twitter via bridgy but do not include the link in the tweet.
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KartikPrabhu miklb: maybe Bridgy did not crawl it again?
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miklb I've tried recrawling. Still says 2 weeks since last syndication link found.
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KartikPrabhu miklb: possibly it can't find it from your homepage
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miklb extremely possible. Guess I need to look back at the old version and see if I missed some markup, as it worked before.
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KartikPrabhu miklb: I have my Articles feed linked from the homepage using a rel=feed
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KartikPrabhu maybe that does it
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KartikPrabhu miklb: very nice "timeline" display of notes on your homepage
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miklb thanks!
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KartikPrabhu look a bit awkward on small screens as the lines don't connect, but is awesome on wide screen
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miklb ah, thanks for pointing that out, I'll need to look at that. I haven't fine tuned smaller screens yet.
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KartikPrabhu miklb: always good to start at small screens and "fine tune" to big ones
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miklb well, there is a ** a lot** of fine tuning to be done both big and small screen wise.
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[chrisaldrich] I remember having a quirky brid.gy issue a while back where it wasn't finding my feed for some reason (I don't keep it on my homepage for one).
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[chrisaldrich] Adding Adding <link rel="feed" type="text/html" title="BoffoSocko Blog feed" href="http://boffosocko.com/blog/" /> to the headers remedied the issue.
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snarfed https://brid.gy/about#link
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KartikPrabhu [chrisaldrich]: yes, it does look for rel=feed
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KartikPrabhu oh! and here is snarfed
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aaronpk docs++
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Loqi docs has 2 karma
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: is bridgy's rel=feed look up documented someplace?
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snarfed um the link i posted just now
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KartikPrabhu oh yeah sorry missed that one in the stream
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[chrisaldrich] aaronpk, was that you that added the huffduffer #indieweb tags to the newsletter feed?
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aaronpk Would you believe me if I said Loqi did that?
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[chrisaldrich] aaronpk++ for huffduffer to newsletter and having a sense of humor about it
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miklb is so confused :-P
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miklb I can't tell if my mf2 is being parsed correctly or not. I'm thinking not
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KartikPrabhu miklb: test it on http://pin13.net/
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miklb I did, but I'm not even sure what I'm looking for to be honest.
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KartikPrabhu bridgy uses mf2py (I think) but that should be parsing correctly
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KartikPrabhu miklb: for the syndication?
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miklb well, in general, but for the syndication specifically
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KartikPrabhu miklb: for syndication snarfed posted the link https://brid.gy/about#link
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KartikPrabhu you need a rel=feed from your homepage which will link to a top-level h-feed containing u-syndication in the entries
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miklb yes, I read that. my home page does have h-feed…
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KartikPrabhu but not u-syndication on the h-entry
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KartikPrabhu bridgy does not try to retrieve the whole post from your summary thing that appears on the homepage
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miklb I'm adding the feed link now
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KartikPrabhu miklb: see the bottom navigation of https://kartikprabhu.com/ which has rel=feed on the "Articles" link
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KartikPrabhu then on that link each h-entry has a markedup u-syndication
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miklb adding my home page as a feed link didn't help. May need to follow your lead KartikPrabhu and create a page like that
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KartikPrabhu miklb: if your feed page does not have h-entries with a u-syndication then that will not help
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miklb ah
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miklb so I would need h-entry and the post-kind, i.e. "note"
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KartikPrabhu no
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KartikPrabhu you would need a u-syndication on the h-entry
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KartikPrabhu right now your homepage does not have u-syndication on any of the h-entry
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KartikPrabhu post type is irrelevant
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[chrisaldrich] It looks to me like you have 3 h-entries on your home page. You'll also want them wrapping your individual notes which already have the u-syndication tags.
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miklb [chrisaldrich] yes, that's what I meant, but wasn't clear.
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[chrisaldrich] unless you have some other type of "blog" feed with all of your post kinds (articles, notes, photos, etc.) somewhere else, and then you can add a "feed" link which points to that.
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[chrisaldrich] and those 3 h-entries are for your articles at the top.
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miklb correct
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KartikPrabhu yes, the articles don't seem to have u-syndication and the notes don't seem to have h-entry
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GWG I missed some interesting talk.
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[chrisaldrich] do you have a "master" feed of everything somewhere else? (otherwise, you'll have to remember to add future post types in later too for this same issue.)
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KartikPrabhu actually the notes don't have any mf2 markup on the homepage
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[chrisaldrich] the POSSE copies of the notes do have a u-syndication class on them, but little else.
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miklb how much mf2 does a note need?
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KartikPrabhu miklb: not much, h-entry and u-syndication should do that job
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[chrisaldrich] if you want to go overboard, you can model the markup you see for them at https://miklb.com/kind/note/ which seems to have everything and the kitchen sink courtesy of GWG.
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GWG I do?
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GWG How did I give everything and the kitchen sink to miklb?
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GWG Don't mind me. A bit behind. I nodded off.
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[chrisaldrich] I'm saying that the mf2 mark up of notes within post kinds is pretty thorough.
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@cleverdevil @ChrisAldrich Great post about Mastodon and the IndieWeb. (https://cleverdevil.io/s/5OsGx) (twitter.com/_/status/850209526158475264)
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[chrisaldrich] Just remember miklb, that if you POSSE content to twitter that doesn't show up on your home page, you won't get those reactions.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Comment on Mastodon.Social isn’t as Federated or as Decentralized as the Indie Web by Jonathan LaCour" by Jonathan LaCour on 2017-04-07 http://boffosocko.com/2017/04/05/mastodon-social-isnt-as-federated-or-as-decentralized-as-the-indie-web/#comment-34333
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miklb well, WordPress post_class(); is bit of a dumpster fire
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miklb [chrisaldrich] yes, a full archive is in order. I currently am only showing last 10 days of notes on home page
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miklb sweet. I timed out bridgy
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snarfed lol
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[chrisaldrich] you may find it easier to set up a traditional /blog feed page within wordpress that includes all of your feed and then doing the <link> in the header pointing to that feed. Post kinds on that feed should take care of everything automatically.
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miklb [chrisaldrich] it is on my to-do list
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miklb and it just moved up the list because adding h-entry to the notes didn't seem to help with finding syndication links
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[chrisaldrich] I suspect if you go to Appearance >> Customize >> Static Front Page and set the "Posts page" to an empty page of your choosing that the Post Kinds set up will sort it all out for you.
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[jeremycherfas] What is shpub?
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Loqi shpub is a command line micropub client written by https://avatar.cweiske.de/avatar/9e263681488308e5e5d5e548b2f9bc99Christian Weiske https://indieweb.org/shpub
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miklb [chrisaldrich] that doesn't sound like a very solid solution
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[chrisaldrich] miklb: then adding <link rel="feed" type="text/html" title="Miklb feed" href="http://miklb.com/blog/" /> to your header will do the trick (potentially replacing the /blog/ with the name of your feed page set above.
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miklb http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmiklb.com seems to be getting the h-entries and the syndication links now though
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Loqi [miklb] Blog, Blogs, Blogging – A Rant
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miklb where did that come from Loqi ?
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miklb oh, /blog
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[chrisaldrich] miklb: that markup looks like it should probably work now. (assuming brid.gy will give you the time of day anymore)
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miklb pretty sure brid.gy is upset with me
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miklb lol
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[chrisaldrich] I half expect Loqi's brother Bridgy pop up with a cute icon and say something snide, but apparently Loqi hasn't gotten around to setting that up yet.
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[chrisaldrich] Is there a clearinghouse page on the wiki that has lists of validators, parsers, and tools of the type that include some of the commonly mentioned like pin13 (which doesn't have it's own page even), unmung, etc.? Perhaps a category tag?
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[chrisaldrich] GWG: Post Kinds has archive pages for each of the kinds, but does it have a full feed output page (eg. /kind) that will put out a site's full feed so that others don't have the same issue that miklb is facing tonight?
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tantek what is a validator
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "validator" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek huh
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GWG Chrisaldrich, no. But I suppose there could be
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tantek what is indiewebify
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Loqi Indiewebify.me is a service that checks how "indie web" your site is and reports back its results https://indieweb.org/indiewebify
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tantek chrisaldrich that's the closest we have now I think
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aaronpk What are tools?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/tools
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aaronpk Um
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aaronpk I don't think I understand that page
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aaronpk good idea for a new page tho
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[chrisaldrich] better for a page or a category that could be attached to pre-existing pages?
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[chrisaldrich] Often someone in the chat will mention something like unmung, Pin13, or indiewebify.me, but it would be nice to have a master page of these types of resources for the more occasional visitor or newcomer who might otherwise spend weeks watching chat or heaving digging to come across them all.
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[chrisaldrich] GWG: filed issue with the general concept and link to the discussion.
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[chrisaldrich] Perhaps /Category:tools?
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[jeremycherfas] I know I would appreciate a central tools page with the tools grouped under their type of function. It would replace my scribbled notes.
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[jeremycherfas] Chrisaldrich++ for tools page suggestion
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@hex_pm webmentions (0.3.1): A Webmentions (https://indieweb.org/Webmention) module for Elixir https://hex.pm/packages/webmentions (twitter.com/_/status/850272250766872576)
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@heibie @dentaku @e13Kiki @Buddenbohm die aber offen zu allen Diensten ist. Indieweb-Ansatz. Publish on your own site, syndicate elsewhere (twitter.com/_/status/850273272209973248)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Comment on IndiewebPress: Improving Comments by miklb" by miklb on 2017-04-07 https://david.shanske.com/2017/04/02/indiewebpress-improving-comments/#comment-3617
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Zegnat I really hoped I wouldn't have needed to update my safety page before I really made it public. But apparently I had no other choice :( https://licit.li/58e7963293e26
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Loqi Zegnat: tantek left you a message 5 days, 21 hours ago: http://tantek.com/2017/090/t4/indiewebsummit-dates-add-preference
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sknebel :(
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@leibniz "The open web is cruciall" • Google's @richardgingras #ijf11 #openweb @davewiner @indiewebcamp https://twitter.com/leibniz/status/850363395782172672/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/850363395782172672)
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sknebel aaronpk++ for quills clear error messages ;)
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Jeena Second time I like Facebooks "marked as safe" feature, but it's hidden behind a wall. We should have something like that too.
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Loqi Jeena: tantek left you a message 1 week, 1 day ago: hey because you're recognized in IRC (probably due to being signed in and /irc-people) can you make it to any of the dates here? add yourself! https://indieweb.org/Planning#Summit
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sknebel (just taught my micropub endpoint replies, likes, bookmarks)
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aaronpk what is marked as safe?
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Loqi marked safe is a notification feature that tells you when those you follow have marked themselves as safe in an area affected by a disaster or other physical emergency within a geographical area https://indieweb.org/marked_as_safe
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aaronpk Jeena: ^
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Jeena ah!
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aaronpk hey, we need an indieweb examples section there!
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aaronpk Zegnat: ^
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Zegnat Jeena, we have something like that
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Zegnat See https://licit.li/58e7963293e26
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Loqi [Martijn van der Ven] I just updated my safety page. I am in Gothenburg, not in Stockholm.
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Zegnat I thought I had added it to one of the three (?) pages we have on the topic, aaronpk
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Jeena cool
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aaronpk we have three pages on it? oops
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[eddie] 4 pages
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[eddie] https://indieweb.org/Ask_If_Safe
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[eddie] That’s the one with Zegnat
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aaronpk aha
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[eddie] https://indieweb.org/safety_check
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[eddie] https://indieweb.org/marked_as_safe
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[eddie] https://indieweb.org/safety_status
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[eddie] Those are the four pages
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Zegnat And there is http://indieweb.org/safety_status
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Zegnat Several are linking to eachother
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[eddie] At least they link to each other. haha
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Loqi awesome
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Zegnat Aah, [eddie] beat me to it with the links
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[eddie] ? Easier to find them all
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Zegnat They should really be merged... Maybe this is a good moment for me to try and fix that.
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Zegnat When I actually get home.
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Jeena http://vanderven.se/martijn/safe/ is awesome, I need this too
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[eddie] zegnat: What happens if someone says “Request an update”
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[eddie] Like, how do you receive that
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Zegnat I get an email, which I will receive on most of my devices
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Zegnat The email has a link that I can click to update the time stamp.
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[eddie] Awesome
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Jeena yep really cool
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Zegnat I thought about text message over email, as it would not depend on internet, but I haven't gotten that far yet
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M-mxuribe Zegnat: that is so cool (and glad u ok)! how do u avoid spam being submitted into that "request an update"?
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Zegnat I don't. There is no way to keep spam out that never has false positives.
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Zegnat And if there is ever a moment I don't want to block anyone, it is when they are wondering if I am sad.e
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Zegnat s/sad.e/safe/
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Jeena you could update http://vanderven.se/martijn/ with this information for like 24 hours
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Loqi Martijn van der Ven h
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Zegnat I was still developing the safety page, that's why it isn't linked yet.
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Zegnat This just shows that when you think you do not need something, that's the moment you will need it
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Jeena mmhm
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M-mxuribe Zegnat: ah, yes understood. and agreed, safety is more important than a littlew spam. :-) thx!
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aaronpk You can at least do a couple things to block totally automated spam
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Zegnat Yes, I have a version with a CSRF token. Not sure if that is the version that is currently live.
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Zegnat I also want it to check when it last sent me an email, because it would never need to send several within 5 minutes
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aaronpk Good idea
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Zegnat Wanted to add a temp note on vanderven.se/martijn, but my current connection is too unstable to edit HTML it seems
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aaronpk a little JS on the page would block most bots too
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Zegnat How do I make sure a 2G cellphone in an emergency can reach it if I require JS though?
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snarfed or tantek :P
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miklb lol snarfed
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sknebel you also could do the anti-comment-spam thing of having a hidden, empty input field with a juicy id that triggers an error if it is filled
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miklb not meaning to make light of situation
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sknebel and there is a csrf token right now
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Zegnat Yeah, the honeypot trap might be another good option, sknebel!
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Zegnat I just added a temp "I am safe" message. Unstyled though.
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Zegnat Jeena, this would be an interesting thing to work on for a HWC Gothenburg!
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sknebel also: use case for a SMS to micropub gateway?
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Zegnat Oh definitely!
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Zegnat Interesting. Police has just asked the public to help spread an image. Should this be something silos should be doing?
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[chrisaldrich] aaronpk++ for /tools page update; I'd meant to do it myself over coffee this morning, but he's beat me to it....
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Loqi aaronpk has 487 karma in this channel (1271 overall)
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aaronpk :-)
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@kevinmarks @anildash @jgarber There is rel=payment http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-payment and more discussion here https://indieweb.org/payment (twitter.com/_/status/850378603120537604)
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Zegnat Closing IRC again, going to safe on battery. Probably going to do more work on the safety feature of my site this weekend, and possibly merge those wiki pages.
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Zegnat Have a good day everyone!
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[eddie] rel=payment is interesting. Microformats.org even talked about doing that with amazon affiliate links, so I added rel=payment to my amazon affiliate links on my book review posts. ? Pretty simple and easy.
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aaronpk [chrisaldrich]: feel free to expand the tools page, I just added a few off the top of my head
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[chrisaldrich] aaronpk: I think you got all the ones I'd had and several I didn't
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@m_ott ?? Just published a little Internet Archive plugin for @craftcms for auto-archiving your entries on save. https://github.com/matthiasott/internetarchive #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/850391993733795842)
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@EduCaaS @pgonyan nosotros apostamos pos estrategias #indieweb como #pesos y #posse con webhooks que sincronicen Gogs o Gitlab con GitHub. (twitter.com/_/status/850397762998992896)
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gRegorLove What is Craft CMS?
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Loqi Craft is a commercial PHP/MySQL CMS, with hosted and self-hosted options https://indieweb.org/Craft_CMS
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tantek good morning #indieweb
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[kevinmarks] Morning tantek. Late morning for you, or are you in hawaii or something?
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tantek late morning
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tantek looking for benwerd also
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@EduCaaS @pgonyan https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/850404787120197632)
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tantek gRegorLove: any Bellingham photo?
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gRegorLove no
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tantek aww I'm chasing everyone away today
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[chrisaldrich] !tell GWG: We should engineer a WordPress for Indieweb appearance on WPWatercooler https://www.wpwatercooler.com
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [superfeedr] "@miklb I would generally agree with you, but I'm thinking about Harry and Mary Beercan who install this for indieweb purposes and just want things" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-04-07 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/miklb-i-would-generally-agree-with-you-but-im-thinking
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[eddie] whoa chrisaldrich!! Is that a custom POSSE or did you somehow integrate with github?
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[chrisaldrich] eddie /Known has a plugin for POSSE to github: https://github.com/mapkyca/KnownGithub ?
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[eddie] Wow, that’s cool ?
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@super8trash Scuttlebutt: an off-grid social network. https://staltz.com/an-off-grid-social-network.html via http://llllllll.co (favoriete plek op het www) #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/850413923601752064)
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tantek wait really? Known can POSSE to github? cool
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tantek aaronpk is the next HWC PDC the first Wednesday in May? 2017-05-03?
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[chrisaldrich] tantek: yes; it also reminds me that there's a plugin for IRC which I keep meaning to try out too: https://github.com/mapkyca/KnownIRC
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[chrisaldrich] mapkyca++
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tantek Zegnat: glad to see you're safe
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tantek yeah I created the separate pages to try to capture the discrete pieces of technology
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tantek perhaps it would be good to have a top level page with summaries for the specific pages
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tantek what is safety?
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Loqi safety status is a particular type of post (with a permalink) that indicates a person's safety during a disaster event and can be posted by a person or by one of their friends https://indieweb.org/safety
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tantek maybe start there?
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tantek but I'd rather not merge if possible, since it makes sense to implement the separate pieces indepedently
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tantek what are tools
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Loqi Here are some tools that are helpful for building and debugging an IndieWeb site https://indieweb.org/tools
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tantek nice
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tantek what are validators
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "validators" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek validators are /tools
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tantek for now
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Loqi ok
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tantek any other cities hosting HWC on 2017-04-19? You have a couple of hours to add your venue to http://indieweb.org/events/2017-04-19-homebrew-website-club for it to show up in the newsletter!
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tantek aaronpk: did we get enough input to decide on a date?
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tantek adds more from HWC SF
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tantek what is 500px
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Loqi 500px is a photo-sharing silo https://indieweb.org/500px
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tantek huh, it sounded like more than tat at HWC SF
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tantek like you could get paid for photos or something?
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[cleverdevil] Success! http://share.cleverdevil.io/txQzXYbhTZ.mp4
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[cleverdevil] (cc: aaronpk)
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tantek aaronpk, looks like the dates are still pretty close, except benwerd can only make it June 24-25 so I changed my vote for 3-4 to a +0
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[chrisaldrich] cleverdevil++ That is awesome! Did you create a /follow post on your site and send a webmention too?
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tantek I don't think we're going to get a lot more input so shall we just call it for June 24-25 and move forward?
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[cleverdevil] Not yet ?
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tantek that also gives people 2+ months notice
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tantek if we announce today / in the newsletter
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tantek for IndieWebSummit 2017
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[cleverdevil] For now, its just a little PHP script that sends a Location header to my reader with the properly formatted URI to initiate a subscribe.
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[cleverdevil] Planning on doing the Webmention next.
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tantek just got a /Swarm notification for 1 year ago!
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tantek "Here's a picture perfect memory from 1 year ago."
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[cleverdevil] Also, discovered that my /reader supports plugins. - https://github.com/nextcloud/news/tree/master/docs/plugins
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[cleverdevil] One of the stated use cases is "Offering article actions such as share via Twitter or E-Mail"
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[cleverdevil] So, I think it'd be pretty straightforward to add Micropub actions to it.
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tantek cleverdevil neat! see woodwind.xyz for example UI for that
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tantek (as a reader that supports micropub for inline reply / like etc. actions)
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[cleverdevil] :thumbsup:
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gRegorLove What is nextcloud
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Loqi Nextcloud is an open source software project for self-hosted personal web services including a file manager (an indie version of Dropbox), music, calendar (CalDAV), contacts (CardDAV), and more https://indieweb.org/Nextcloud
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gRegorLove What is nextcloud news
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Loqi Nextcloud News is an "app" for the Nextcloud platform that provides an RSS aggregator and feed reader functionality https://indieweb.org/Nextcloud_News
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gRegorLove I tried that /follow thing aaronpk has with woodwind last night. Should work in theory, but it's offline currently.
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gRegorLove Tried it with Feedly as well. Didn't work because it's not an XML feed, but otherwise I'm sure it would
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gRegorLove looks into trying with Digg Reader
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tantek huh, Swarm's notification literally just took me to a check-in with a photo from a year ago
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tantek what is this day
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Loqi on this day is a feature of several silos where they show you posts you made on the current (typically Gregorian) day of the year in previous years https://indieweb.org/this_day
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tantek what is on this day
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Loqi on this day is a feature of several silos where they show you posts you made on the current (typically Gregorian) day of the year in previous years https://indieweb.org/on_this_day
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tantek what is Loqi's latency?
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@altsalt Alright, @BoltBus tickets booked, @IndieWebCamp Bellingham is happening Thursday and Friday before @LFNW. See you there! #FLOSS #SpeakerLife (twitter.com/_/status/850431245603319808)
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KartikPrabhu gRegorLove: I was going to try it with Feedly, but yeah non-XML feeds won't work with that
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@m_ott @tobiastom It heavily borrows from this IndieWeb wiki page by @t: https://indieweb.org/Internet_Archive (twitter.com/_/status/850434592377118722)
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[jeremycherfas] chrisaldrich I've wondered about the point of POSSEing to IRC. Will wait and see what you make of it.
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tantek this: "Your identity should not be coupled with the moderation policy of whichever platform you host your social graph on." from https://hackernoon.com/mastodon-is-dead-in-the-water-888c10e8abb1
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tantek and: "site reliability is a huge, expensive headache"
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gRegorLove Is there a name for Facebook's colored background note posts?
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gRegorLove And has anyone here used them? I haven't, but see them semi-regularly.
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[eddie] I’ve seen them a lot but have no idea how to create them or what they are called
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[eddie] haha
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Loqi hahaha
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gRegorLove Interesting they only seem to be an option when you create from the Home news feed, not from your profile.
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[mko] The "colored background note posts" are "Text Status" posts with an optional "Background Color" that only shows up in areas where the backgrounds are supported ( the same way the "Big Text" typography feature is enabled ).
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[mko] Here's the original release post by TechCrunch about the feature: https://techcrunch.com/2016/12/19/facebook-status-background-color/
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[mko] One of my friends on the Facebook News Feed team described the feature. Most notably, these are basically "decorator" attributes on the existing "Note" feature, but are not required for all Facebook (or able to be used) post displayers.
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[mko] I've been looking at implementing a similar set of "decorator" metadata onto my h-entry posts in my redesign. Basically, a set of recommended display attributes, if the application displaying the post can display them (i.e. typeface, text size, background color, etc). Describing them specifically as CSS properties currently that are stored alongside the entry's data in my local database. Thought it might be cool to simply parse the inline `styles` val
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[mko] that for rendering if parsing a Microformatted entry.
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[mko] The unfortunate problem is that inline `styles` are A) messy and B) often not centralized on a post.
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gRegorLove What is custom post style?
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Loqi Custom post style is the practice of styling individual posts differently from the rest of the site styles https://indieweb.org/custom_post_style
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tantek "Describing them specifically as CSS properties currently that are stored alongside the entry's data in my local database." heh
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tantek I built this for Twitter "annotations" ages ago and pretty sure that's why Twitter annotations never publicly shipped to devs
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tantek let's see if I linked it up
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tantek what is TSS
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "TSS" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek guess not
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tantek [mko] found the article http://readwrite.com/2010/06/02/tweeting_in_color_from_the_annotations_hackfest/
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Loqi David Curry
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tantek TSS is Twitter Style Sheets or Text Style Sheets, a compressed form of CSS applicable to short bits of text, suitable for storing in very small fields like 512 bytes. Open source CASSIS implementation: http://xent.com/tss.js See: http://readwrite.com/2010/06/02/tweeting_in_color_from_the_annotations_hackfest/ for context.
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Loqi ok
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miklb feeling like a bit of a failure not being able to get bridgy to see syndication links
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tantek wow I'm kinda amazed the live UI for TSS still works
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tantek [mko] live UI here if you're curious: http://xent.com/rtf (try the presets, no need to login to Twitter)
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@jkphl Welcome to the #IndieWeb, @xandruCea! Hope to see you at https://indieweb.org/2017/Nuremberg to further work on your site! :) (twitter.com/_/status/850454368373682176)
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sknebel miklb: did you check the bridgy logs? if you click on the timestamp where it says "crawled X ago" it shows details
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miklb I hadn't, but it shows author's rel-feed fetched successfully https://miklb.com/firehose/ but still not showing any new syndication links for last 2 weeks. So I'm still doing something wrong
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[kevinmarks] Case for micropub? https://twitter.com/xor/status/850448919297376256
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@xor @tinysubversions how are you uploading images on Mastodon? I'm getting different errors on bytes and file objects (twitter.com/_/status/850448919297376256)
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sknebel miklb: when I look at mine, it has a bunch of lines like "fetching post permalink..." "no syndication links from ... to current source". do you see that as well?
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miklb this is what I'm seeing https://gist.github.com/miklb/6c67f2b409e54eddcfe1a7be325fe652
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gRegorLove Logs are public btw: https://brid.gy/twitter/miklb#
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miklb oh, OK https://brid.gy/log?start_time=1491597573&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyEgsSB1R3aXR0ZXIiBW1pa2xiDA
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gRegorLove Your syndication links all look good. I wonder if Bridgy hasn't refreshed your homepage to catch the rel=feed
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Great post about Mastodon and the IndieWeb." by Jonathan LaCour on 2017-04-07 https://cleverdevil.io/2017/great-post-about-mastodon-and-the-indieweb
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gRegorLove Perhaps "Disable" listening and re-enable to see if it finds it afresh
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miklb I just added that firehose page today, so it must have?
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miklb hmm. I diabled, and re-authed and now it's stuck
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miklb as in not reloading
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sknebel weird, I got an error earlier when I tried to look at miklb's logs and thought they were per user
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sknebel per the logs, it sees the firehose page
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miklb 500 internal server error
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sknebel and then does nothing
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gRegorLove Not just you, bridgy loading really slowly for me
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sknebel yeah
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gRegorLove Ok, crawl log 45 minutes ago found the firehose: https://brid.gy/log?start_time=1491597573&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyEgsSB1R3aXR0ZXIiBW1pa2xiDA
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miklb something must be wrong with the mf2 on the firehose page
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miklb thought that WP template was pretty straight forward, but alas…
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gRegorLove Your h-entry.u-syndication looks fine, parses correctly.
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sknebel it looks like the posts are infinitely nested?
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sknebel http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmiklb.com%2Ffirehose%2F
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gRegorLove Aha
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sknebel looks right on a glance at the html, but clearly not what you want
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miklb yeah, I'm looking the HTML source and it looks OK, so it's mf2
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gRegorLove https://validator.w3.org/nu/?doc=https%3A%2F%2Fmiklb.com%2Ffirehose%2F some unclosed HTML
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miklb thanks, gives me a place to start!
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gRegorLove <div class="content is-medium entry-content e-content"> isn't closed, looks like
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miklb easy to forget to go back to the basics
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tantek looks like we're a go for June 24-25 IndieWebSummit in Portland folks
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aaronpk one more Loqi
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://aaronparecki.com/2017/04/07/12/indiewebcamp
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@aaronpk Save the date! IndieWeb Summit in Portland will be June 24-25th after @osbridge! #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/850466091360858112)
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tantek yay!
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Loqi ?
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gRegorLove woot!
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aaronpk oh no
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gRegorLove Just missed it
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aaronpk fixed
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aaronpk now i gotta find a venue ?
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Loqi [superfeedr] "#100DoPP d78: #IndieWeb Summit dates confirmed: June 24-25 right after @osbridge. Start planning a June Portland trip!" on 2017-04-07 http://tantek.com/2017/097/t2/indieweb-summit-dates-confirmed
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@t #100DoPP d78: #IndieWeb Summit dates confirmed: June 24-25 right after @osbridge. Start planning a June Portland trip! (ttk.me t4ni2) (twitter.com/_/status/850467061499404289)
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tantek aaronpk++ awesome
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tantek and the venue can be the next announcement
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tantek that being said, it's time to start setting up the /2017 page, tito, FB POSSE copy etc.
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tantek we can have venue TBD even right now
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aaronpk i'm gonna make the 2017 subdomain for both bellingham and summit too right now.
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tantek awesome!
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miklb curses WordPress
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miklb its inserting a stray <p> tag and I don't know from where
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Salt aaronpk++ save the date
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gRegorLove miklb: Sounds like WP's built-in wpautop. Sometimes shortcodes can return extra line breaks and the core function converts to <p>
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miklb I'm using a filter on the_content and it's adding extra markup. It's straight up spaghetti
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gRegorLove I empathize. I've worked on quite a few WP sites and been frustrated with how it changes/adds markup sometimes.
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miklb I think this is why I quit using WP originally ?
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miklb this first paragraph in this post is adding an extra </p> and I can't figure out why. Maybe the markdown plugin is inserting it, but I tried removing the markdown and it was still there https://miklb.com/learning-wordpress-comments-deeply-why/
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Loqi [miklb] Learning WordPress Comments Deeply – Why?
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miklb better, if I inspect element, it doesn't show the extra tag in Safari Tech Preview, but viewing source its there
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miklb gives up to fight another day
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[cleverdevil] So... about that extensible Nextcloud News reader...
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[cleverdevil] I did a thing.
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[cleverdevil] http://share.cleverdevil.io/jxb47DFHDg.mp4
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[cleverdevil] If I have some time over the weekend, I'll make it Micropub instead of being limited to only Known.
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tantek whoa! very cool!
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[cleverdevil] But, now I have a *real* /reader ?
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aaronpk whoa
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[cleverdevil] (Its also a RWA and works in mobile Safari really well)
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[cleverdevil] I also want to make a Quill "app" for Nextcloud.
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[chrisaldrich] thinks I'm going to have to try out Nextcloud now...
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aaronpk well that looks neat
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[cleverdevil] So you can have everything built in.
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[cleverdevil] I am embarassed by my stale JavaScript skills ?
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[cleverdevil] But, its pretty decent.
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aaronpk that's how i feel about javascript all the time
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[cleverdevil] I am thinking that a combination one-click install of Nextcloud + Nextcloud News + Nextcloud News Indieweb Plugin + WordPress + WordPress Indieweb plugins would be a winner.
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[cleverdevil] So, DreamHost customers could have a really nice Indieweb setup right out of the gate, with content consumption (NC News), content creation (WordPress), and interactions (NC News IW plugin).
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[cleverdevil] If I embed Quill or the WordPress admin into Nextcloud as well, that'd make it even tighter.
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tantek or presumably with Known instead of WordPress right? but same Nextcloud reading options?
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aaronpk that sounds great, but that also makes me want to ship a trimmed down version of all of that really bad :)
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[cleverdevil] I think for the vast majority of our users, WordPress would be better.
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[cleverdevil] I want to push adoption.
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[cleverdevil] If you're going to ship a trimmed down version, I'd suggest focusing on the reader with interactions that integrates nicely with WordPress, and letting WordPress be the CMS.
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[cleverdevil] Its a juggernaut.
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aaronpk that's also part of what i want to trim down ;-)
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aaronpk but the reader with interactions is the more critical piece right now
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KartikPrabhu what is NextCloud?
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Loqi Nextcloud is an open source software project for self-hosted personal web services including a file manager (an indie version of Dropbox), music, calendar (CalDAV), contacts (CardDAV), and more https://indieweb.org/Nextcloud
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aaronpk i haven't figured out what to call this piece yet, other than a "reader", but I feel like "reader" has too much legacy meaning. especially because even the name does not imply you can interact with the content.
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tantek aaronpk: you could call it a "browser" ;)
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[cleverdevil] ^^
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[cleverdevil] That's where this really belongs, as I've shared before ?
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aaronpk ?
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tantek cleverdevil - except handling things like subscriptions server-side makes much more sense
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tantek since the server can stay up to date on your behalf
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tantek aaronpk, why do you need a special name? you don't have a special name for your "archives" or your "notes" or your "sleep"
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tantek etc.
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tantek and those are all "pieces"
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aaronpk a name for how to talk about it with people
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aaronpk like, "hey don't you want your website to do _______" or "hey don't you want a _____ for your website too?"
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[cleverdevil] tantek that's a good point... still, I'd like the server-side to be APIs, and the client side to be the browser for consuming content streams and interacting via micropub with my site.
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aaronpk ^^
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aaronpk that dividing line is why i'm thinking about Micro*sub*
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aaronpk in that example, Microsub would be the API that the browser uses to communicate to the server-side thing that's responsible for managing all the subscriptions
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[cleverdevil] Cool.
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[cleverdevil] Okay, I'm headed out for the day.
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[cleverdevil] See ya, IndieWeb!
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KartikPrabhu so microsub would help add and read subscriptions?
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aaronpk yep
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aaronpk cat's out of the bag now. guess i should post my first draft.
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KartikPrabhu I suppose your "follow" experiment was a first step?
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aaronpk actually, that ended up being relatively unrelated
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KartikPrabhu would that not fit right in? the follow button/rel-subscribe thing seems to be microsub stuff
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aaronpk well, microsub is a client-to-server API like micropub, so doesn't actually deal with web pages at all
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KartikPrabhu well mircopub still does the look up to micropub-endpoint this seems similar
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aaronpk i will post this in a bit
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KartikPrabhu ok cool! will read
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aaronpk working on 2017 event pages atm
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@loopdouble I’ve set up brid.gy, for indieweb POSSEing, now to test if it works! (http://doubleloop.net/t/Y) (twitter.com/_/status/850487669775794176)
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gRegorLove aaronpk: attendee cap is 40 for Bellingham
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aaronpk you want ti.to registrations for bellingham right?
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aaronpk and are you going to do a preparty friday night like Summit? do you want to charge for tickets?
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gRegorLove Yes, tito. Free registration. No pre-parties. It's on Thu/Fri
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aaronpk ?
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aaronpk i'm going to have you fill in the details in a bit
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tantek new itch, "interested" RSVPs that don't clutter up composite streams
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