#indieweb 2017-04-08

2017-04-08 UTC
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miklb gRegorLove++
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Loqi gregorlove has 83 karma in this channel (113 overall)
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miklb thanks for reminding me about good ol' HTML validation
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gRegorLove aaronpk: Sure, np. Is it on github?
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aaronpk almost
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aaronpk this is taking a while :)
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gRegorLove Heh, meant that generically, not like "is it up is it up is it up?" :)
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aaronpk well it will be here shortly https://github.com/indieweb/2017.indieweb.org
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aaronpk gRegorLove: k it's on github! check the "public" folder and "templates"
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gRegorLove miklb: you're welcome. Is it working now?
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miklb well, bridgy still says its been two weeks since last syndication link, so no. But I'm not sure now what else I can do.
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aaronpk woo! I just posted my RSVP for indieweb summit!
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aaronpk https://2017.indieweb.org/
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Loqi IndieWeb Summit
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miklb but I'm open to suggestions if anyone has one ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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KartikPrabhu miklb: what's your bridgy user page
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miklb https://brid.gy/twitter/miklb#
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gRegorLove Seeing my note embedded on snarfed.org prompted me to finally make the <meta description> more customizable on my site. It's actually removed on note permalinks and the plaintext is in the <title>
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KartikPrabhu miklb: I am asumming you want bridgy to find the syndication in your homepage notes tes?
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KartikPrabhu s/tes/yes
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miklb KartikPrabhu well, that was the plan, then last night it was suggested I create an archive type page with all posts, thus i created /firehose
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gRegorLove And on the /firehose page specifically
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KartikPrabhu ok looking
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KartikPrabhu the notes on the homepage should be picked up nonetheless
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gRegorLove "skipping refetch h-feed" in https://brid.gy/log?start_time=1491612844&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyEgsSB1R3aXR0ZXIiBW1pa2xiDA
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gRegorLove Not entirely sure why
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KartikPrabhu yeah
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miklb I was wondering if with the timeouts and what not, the queue was backed up
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miklb or I've been blacklisted for re-crawling too much
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gRegorLove Heh, nah
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gRegorLove Is the homepage HTML validated? :)
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KartikPrabhu that is not a problem as the mf2 is parsed correctly
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miklb not specifically, but what I wound up fixing for the /firehose should have been applied to the home page too
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gRegorLove KartikPrabhu: It caused issues earlier when a div.e-content wasn't closed. But I wouldn't expect it to matter as much on homepage for finding rel=feed
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KartikPrabhu or for finding the u-syndication on the notes on the homepage. this is weird
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gRegorLove turns on the Batsnarfed signal
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martymcguire[m] is there likely to be a social meetup the day before IWS? i'm looking at flights from the east coast
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gRegorLove Quite likely
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gRegorLove I'll probably be there the day before.
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martymcguire[m] i'll aim to come in thursday night, then.
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gRegorLove Yep, pre-summit meetup is even on https://2017.indieweb.org/ for Friday
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Loqi IndieWeb Summit
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martymcguire[m] hah, i even had that page open
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gRegorLove Cool! Look forward to meeting you
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martymcguire[m] likewise!
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martymcguire[m] flights booked! RSVP posted! ti.to registration completed!
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martymcguire[m] i'll wait to get a hotel until the venue is posted. :}
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GWG G'day
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Loqi GWG: [chrisaldrich] left you a message 8 hours, 36 minutes ago: We should engineer a WordPress for Indieweb appearance on WPWatercooler https://www.wpwatercooler.com
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GWG Wonder how
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miklb payola
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GWG Whose money am I throwing around?
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miklb it's Chris's idea, let him pony up :-)
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GWG On a positive note, I'm off for a few days. Maybe I can get things done in the Indieweb space.
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miklb nice. anything fun on your list?
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GWG Bug fixes, for one
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GWG I also have this suggestion to add more information to the Post Kinds setting screen
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miklb hmm
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GWG Specifically, describing the kinds
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miklb wouldn't a link to the IW wiki suffice?
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GWG I have all that whitespace thanks to the changeover from a pull-down to checkboxes
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miklb lol
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GWG But it was mentioned as a comment.
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miklb I need to circle back to the retrieve button now that I'm stumped by backfeeds
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GWG miklb: I covered that under 'bug fixes'
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miklb I'm not convinced it isn't related to my nginx conf for /wp-admin but if you find the fix before me, I'll owe you another beverage
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GWG Well, I figured I would make some modifications in that area.
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miklb then I want to look into more micropub integrations…
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GWG Such as?
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miklb I still want to get posting from iOS working. I like I what I see with ownyourswarm
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GWG I can't help there
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[chrisaldrich] GWG, miklb: I don't think we would need payola for WPWatercooler. I've run into the host in the LA area a few times and think we could twist his arm just a tad. I just wanted to make sure you were amenable if it comes through.
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[jeremycherfas] What is tito?
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Loqi ti.to is an event management site that was used for IndieWebCamp 2015 https://indieweb.org/tito
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[kevinmarks] https://mastodon.social/web/statuses/1952073
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[kevinmarks] Hm, where did the mf2 go?
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[doubleloop] Hi IndieWeb .o/
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[kevinmarks] Hi doubleloop
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[doubleloop] Hey [kevinmarks]
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[doubleloop] I'm just getting up and running with indiewebifying myself
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[doubleloop] Using Wordpress
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[jeremycherfas] Hey @doubleloop. Be interesting to see how your experiences compare with dgold’s https://ascraeus.org/doing-it-the-hard-way/
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Loqi Doing it the Hard Way
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb!
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[jeremycherfas] Morning
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[doubleloop] Good morning Zegnat .o/
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Loqi *yawn*
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[doubleloop] [jeremycherfas]: cool, I'll do the same and make a post documenting my progress
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sknebel good morning!
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Zegnat Does anyone know the current recommended way to show a datetime in the visitor’s local timezone? I feel like I need that on my safety page, to make the information easier to grasp. Small sampling amongst family seems to tell me not everyone instinctively knows how to get from UTC to their own time. Especially with DST.
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sknebel moment.js might be overkill, but should do this relatively nicely
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sknebel Zegnat: https://devdocs.io/moment/guides/index#lib-concepts-timezone-offset
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Zegnat Yeah, that’s what my searching led me too as well. But would love something with a smaller footprint'
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Zegnat Might still use it, it gives me relative time too, which is definitely even easier for people to parse.
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Zegnat “Martijn last checked in as safe 5 minutes ago.” is clear in any timezone.
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sknebel exactly. (but could also be generated server-side)
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Zegnat Relative time, yes, timezone normalised, no.
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Zegnat I would also love to be able to serve my safety page as static html. In case of an actual disaster it would make serving the page easier on the server. (THough that would mean sacrificing my CSRF as well, I think.)
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sknebel yes, I meant the relative time. Reading docs, I'm not sure if stackoverflow answers are just horribly out of date/wrong, or if I'm missing something: Date.UTC() returns a unix timestamp, that should then be a valid argument for Date() to create a localized timestamp?
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Zegnat Oh, huh, you might be right. I could have sworn there were a lot of edgecases with rendering localised timestamps?!
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Zegnat Case of misremembering and then thinking things are way more complex than they really are, maybe...
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[jeremycherfas] doubleloop++ for documenting onboarding
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Zegnat Lots of interesting Facebook UI stuff to capture too. I can ask tantek if he is safe regarding the stockholm attack.
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@loopdouble It works!  Like @_dgoldsmith here (https://ascraeus.org/doing-it-the-hard-way/), I’m wondering why Bridgy Publish isn’t included in the indieweb plugin bundle. (twitter.com/_/status/850650277497757696)
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[kevinmarks] wait, so https://mastodon.social/@yoz/1952073 is the real permalink and https://mastodon.social/web/statuses/1952073 is as js;dr version that redirects to the homepage?
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Loqi [Yoz] So yeah, finishing the topic of What To Call It: https://darksocial.party/users/rustyk5/updates/391 @rustyk5 's suggestion of The Social Web is a million times better than Fediverse, OStatus network etc, and a billion times better than anything with ...
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Loqi [superfeedr] "@loopdouble Well done on getting it all working. I did the #indieweb setup, but am sadly behind on _using_ it." by Daniel Goldsmith on 2017-04-08 https://hylozoist.ascraeus.org/2017/loopdouble-well-done-on-getting-it-all-working-i-did
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@_dgoldsmith @loopdouble Well done on getting it all working. I did the #indieweb setup, but am sadly behind on _using_ it. (https://hylozoist.ascraeus.org/s/4V5QE) (twitter.com/_/status/850677197258072064)
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@ROUZealot @loopdouble Well done on getting it all working. I did the #indieweb setup, but am sadly behind on _using_ it. (https://hylozoist.ascraeus.org/s/4V5QE) (twitter.com/_/status/850677198768017409)
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dgold oooops - I thought i'd stopped that double posting. Damn and blast it.
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@loopdouble Many OOTB benefits, but WordPress for indieweb does bring with it the (contested) database antipattern. I do miss… https://doubleloop.net/t/27 (twitter.com/_/status/850677922335686656)
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[jeremycherfas] dgold: If it isn’t one thing it’s another.
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[kevinmarks] Looks like mastodon.social took Ben's mf2 pr
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[jeremycherfas] Thinking about post types — are they exclusive? That is, can a post be both a Reply-to and a Like-of or must it be one or the other?
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aaronpk There have been a couple instances of a post having multiple properties like that
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aaronpk im not convinced arbitrary combinations of types is a good idea tho
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[jeremycherfas] OK. Thanks. I think that will make my life easier.
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[jeremycherfas] I’m trying to think about a plugin for Grav to add mf2 for Reply-to and Like.
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sknebel What is post type discovery?
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Loqi Post Type Discovery specifies an algorithm for determining the type of a post by what properties it has and potentially what value(s) they have, which helps avoid the need for explicit post types that are being abandoned by modern post creation UIs https://indieweb.org/post-type-discovery
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sknebel [jeremycherfas]^^^
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sknebel (at least some sites follow that, which means that e.g. a "in-reply-to like-of" only shows up as a reply
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[eddie] Yeah, that's the formula my site follows
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[jeremycherfas] Thanks sknebel. At the moment I’m focused on post creation, but this is interesting.
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sknebel it's kind relevant to creation as well
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sknebel or, maybe it is
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sknebel e.g. the first time I posted a combined like and reply I was quite confused why it didn't "show up right" on the other side
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sknebel I could take that as a sign to seperate those into multiple posts (maybe even automatically). or I say that for me, the like-of information is there, and if hte other side chooses to ignore it I don't care if it shows up on their page or not.
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sknebel I haven't answered this for myself yet
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@rjpb25 Learn about the #IndieWeb project. https://indieweb.org/principles (twitter.com/_/status/850740508972507136)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Comment on Introduction to Complex Analysis | UCLA Extension by Jacob S. Hacker and Paul Pierson" by Jacob S. Hacker and Paul Pierson on 2017-04-08 http://boffosocko.com/2016/07/25/introduction-to-complex-analysis-ucla-extension/#comment-34335
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Comment on ? Secret Life of Pets (Universal, 2016) by Jacob S. Hacker and Paul Pierson" by Jacob S. Hacker and Paul Pierson on 2017-04-08 http://boffosocko.com/2017/03/05/watched-secret-life-of-pets-universal-2016/#comment-34336
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Comment on ? Creed (Warner Bros., 2015) by Jacob S. Hacker and Paul Pierson" by Jacob S. Hacker and Paul Pierson on 2017-04-08 http://boffosocko.com/2017/03/10/creed/#comment-34337
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Comment on ? The Holcroft Covenant (Universal Pictures, 1985) by Jacob S. Hacker and Paul Pierson" by Jacob S. Hacker and Paul Pierson on 2017-04-08 http://boffosocko.com/2017/03/12/the-holcroft-covenant/#comment-34338
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Comment on About Chris Aldrich by Jacob S. Hacker and Paul Pierson" by Jacob S. Hacker and Paul Pierson on 2017-04-08 http://boffosocko.com/about/#comment-34339
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[chrisaldrich] How in goodness name did I do that?! Especially since most have nothing to do with IndieWeb? Hrrm....
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sknebel could be that superfeedr looks at the entire page, sees "Indieweb" in the category sidebar, and thinks it is relevant
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[chrisaldrich] snebel: I don't think it's that, though I've got some suspicions...
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[chrisaldrich] sorry, fat finger s/snebel/sknebel
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[chrisaldrich] it looks like a microformats experiment I did a month ago that resurfaced when I went back and added h-entry algorithmicly to some posts.
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aaronpk odd, there's some hidden text that's appearing in the microformats
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aaronpk oh nvm i see it
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aaronpk i think two things are happening here. the "recent comments" at the bottom are from across all posts, and one of them mentions "indie web". there's also a reference to "indieweb-post-kinds" in the URL of your "watch" icon
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aaronpk the URLs for all the "recent comments" are getting added to the h-entry of the page, which is confusing things quite a bit
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aaronpk i think i might add a filter to Loqi though. if there are microformats on the page, then I'll only send a superfeedr notification if the text "indieweb" appears within the mf2-parsed data. that will at least stop "indieweb" in sidebars from triggering it.
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[chrisaldrich] There was a page with references to those posts that also had a direct reference to Indieweb in the body of the page as well. For some reason I had some mf2 mark up on something within that page that indicated authorship, so the page sent webmentions to the posts which then ended up in superfeedr. I think I've got most of it sorted and can then look at it all again.
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[chrisaldrich] the watch icon has always had that indieweb-post-kinds reference in it (as does every site using Post Kinds) and it's never been a problem
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GWG W
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GWG Just blame me
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GWG Either way, I wish I knew what I did now when I started Post Kinds
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[chrisaldrich] It wasn't you GWG... I'm pretty sure.
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[chrisaldrich] I do find it interesting that the uf2 plugin (https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-uf2) adds h-entry and hentry to the WP <body> tag that covers pretty much all of the page, yet it doesn't ping superfeedr with a post like this: http://boffosocko.com/2017/04/08/test-to-see-if-superfeedr-picks-this-up/, perhaps because of e-content or something else?
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GWG UF2 needs an update, to be honest
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[chrisaldrich] thinks of how nice it would be if WordPress could just support mf2 in core...
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GWG Chrisaldrich, won't fix
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[chrisaldrich] LOL!
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GWG But re Post Kinds, I wouldn't have put Indieweb in the slug today. I would have just used Post Kinds
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[chrisaldrich] I've been working on an mf2 update of the 2012 theme and was comparing/contrasting uf2 plugin alongside some of the same type of code in the sempress and independent publisher theme code to determine how to best do it all.
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[chrisaldrich] needs to figure out where the two u-photos on my gravatar are coming from so I can use Brid.gy publish. I think one is coming from the uf2 plugin.
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[chrisaldrich] GWG: is the other coming from the Indieweb Plugin itself?
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doubleloop Hi all
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GWG I know how to fix that
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doubleloop I'm trying to set up backfeed via brid.gy to my Wordpress site
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doubleloop A little stuck
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doubleloop My posts have a syndication attribute
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doubleloop I think my feed is the issue
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doubleloop Trying to set one up as per this link... https://brid.gy/about#link
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doubleloop But the built-in Wordpress feed I don't think will work, because it doesn't include h-entry and it's not text/html
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doubleloop I tried https://doubleloop.net/2017, which I think should work, but it's paged so old posts won't get picked up
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sknebel doubleloop: bridgy only looks at recent posts anyways
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doubleloop Do any of the indieweb plugins have a handy endpoint for the feed that bridgy needs? Or maybe I'm just missing something simple
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doubleloop sknebel: ah ok - how recent?
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[chrisaldrich] doubleloop: miklb was having this same type of issue over the last few days too.
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[chrisaldrich] doubleloop: do you have a traditional /blog page with all your posts or are they on your homepage?
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doubleloop [chrisaldrich]: they're not on either as far as I can see.. my homepage is a static page, and /blog doesn't exist
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doubleloop I could try and bump up the number of posts shown on the 2017 archive page
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GWG Chrisaldrich, you need to run array_unique to avoid two things adding the same markup
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sknebel doubleloop: can't find the exact number right now, sorry. I think it is last X
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sknebel for some X
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doubleloop sknebel: my X on the feed page I'm linking to is currently 10... I'll try and bump it up
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sknebel doubleloop: I just liked your "trying to get backfeed working" tweet and twitter sent a WM
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sknebel eeh
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sknebel bridgy of course
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sknebel ^^^
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GWG Sorry for my delayed reaction. Can I help?
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[chrisaldrich] doubleloop: I'd recommend creating a page (named blog or something of your choosing) and then in the WP customizer (Appearance >> Customize >> Static Front Page) set the "Posts page" to whatever you named the page.
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[chrisaldrich] Then you can add a link to your header pointing at that page: <link rel="feed" type="text/html" title="Blog feed" href="http://example.com/blog/" /> which brid.gy can see and know where your feed is
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[chrisaldrich] if you're using one of the sempress or related children, this should cover you
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doubleloop sknebel: ah cool, yes I can see it was sent, thanks. although it hasn't appeared on the post on my site though
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doubleloop [chrisaldrich]: great, thanks, that makes sense. i'm using a tweaked sempress-lite so it should be good
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[chrisaldrich] doubleloop: WordPress often marks native webmentions as spam
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doubleloop [chrisaldrich]: i checked, it's not in spam
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[chrisaldrich] doubleloop: if you want to mark webmentions as not spam you can use this: https://indieweb.org/Wordpress_Webmention_Plugin#Automatically_approving
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doubleloop I have this webmention endpoint in my links, does it seem correct?: <link rel="webmention" href="https://doubleloop.net/wp-json/webmention/1.0/endpoint" />
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doubleloop [chrisaldrich]: thanks
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gRegorLove doubleloop: Looks like there was a fatal error: https://brid.gy/log?start_time=1491680397&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyTQsSCFJlc3BvbnNlIj90YWc6dHdpdHRlci5jb20sMjAxMzo4NTA3ODEzMzk2NjIxMzEyMDFfZmF2b3JpdGVkX2J5XzM0MDMzNDQ4MDIM
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gRegorLove In indieweb post kinds plugin
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gRegorLove pings GWG
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[chrisaldrich] doubleloop: that <link> looks right and was automatically added by the Webmention plugin.
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gRegorLove When bridgy shows "sent webmention" it means it found your webmention endpoint successfully. It's that fatal error in one of the plugins that caused it to not be received / processed correctly.
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doubleloop gRegorLove: ah brilliant, very cool to be able to see brid.gy logs
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gRegorLove doubleloop: Yeah, the "x minutes ago" link on your bridgy page are to logs.
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GWG Gregorlove, both plugins load the MF2 library. Likely conflict
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doubleloop My server didn't have php-mbstring installed. I've installed and will try again...
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GWG But my current project is the next Post Kinds update, to fix some bugs and add some enhancements
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GWG I need to see about some error checking
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gRegorLove Does one of the WP plugins add "h-as-note"? I've seen it on a couple WP sites now.
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GWG Gregorlove, yes. pfefferle was a big advocate
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GWG And it spread
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gRegorLove What is h-as-note?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/h-as-note
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gRegorLove What is h-as?
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Loqi h-as was an attempt to match ActivityStream vocabulary to microformats https://indieweb.org/h-as
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doubleloop Awesome! It worked!
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doubleloop Thanks everyone for your help :)
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GWG doubleloop, if you have any feedback or otherwise on the WordPress Indieweb plugins and such, we are always looking for ways to improve
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gRegorLove Hm, I got another 500 trying to send wm to a WP site.
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doubleloop GWG: Great, I'll let you know what I find as I use them. I put a github issue in earlier actually, for the Post Kinds plugin.
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doubleloop GWG: they've been brilliantly helpful so far.
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GWG doubleloop: You use @ngm on there?
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doubleloop GWG: yep, that's me
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GWG Well, my last improvement to the parsing and theming system appears to have created some minor bugs. I had moved on to something else, but I'm putting that on hold to do some more Post Kinds work.
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GWG doubleloop: Bugs are good, as are feature suggestions/enhancements. I keep my ideas in the issue tracker on Github when I think of them.
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GWG I have this massive change to how text strings for the different kinds are generated planned for a week now.
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GWG miklb: By the way, the above might affect you if you use any of the functions that generate the strings for kinds.
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doubleloop GWG: only other feedback so far is should the Bridgy Publish plugin be included in the Indieweb bundle plugin? - I only learned about it from dgold's blog post
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GWG doubleloop: There's an issue for that. It wasn't developed enough the last time one of the contributors looked at that plugin
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GWG I'm probably due to go in and at least note it works with 4.7
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gRegorLove GWG: https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-webmention/issues/138 there's some PHP notices for semantic linkbacks in there as well.
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GWG gRegorLove: I have some of my own. I just keep changing to put out fires.I wanted to make identifying those notices my next thing, but circled back.
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gRegorLove np. just a heads up.
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GWG pfefferle hasn't looked at my last PR, so I assumed he was occupied with something, and pushed it back.
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GWG I prefer peer review.
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GWG But there are plenty of issues to work on
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@loopdouble Backfeed up and running!  Big thanks to the helpful peoples on the #indieweb IRC. (twitter.com/_/status/850804966969225217)
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doubleloop Is there a concept of @-ing someone in indieweb?
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GWG In what context?
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aaronpk yes, by linking to their website
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aaronpk see also:
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aaronpk what is a home page webmention?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "home page webmention" yet. Would you like to create it?
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doubleloop GWG: So I want to tell @barryfrost and @calumryan that I've got these bits working on my site. Can I put that in a note and it pings them?
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aaronpk hmm
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aaronpk doubleloop: just link to their home page, and if they have webmentions configured they'll be notified
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doubleloop aaronpk: excellent, thanks
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aaronpk home page webmention is [[homepage#Webmention_to_homepage]]
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Loqi ok
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aaronpk oh i found it
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aaronpk what is a person-mention
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GWG WordPress doesn't have homepage mentions by default
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Loqi person mention is a homepage webmention sent to a person's homepage https://indieweb.org/person-mention
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doubleloop GWG: as in, Wordpress doesn't receive homepage mentions by default?
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GWG doubleloop: Correct.
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GWG Webmentions are comments. You can't attach comments to the homepage unless it is a page.
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GWG There is a backend function in the plugin that you can invoke to route the homepage mentions to another page
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GWG I had two ideas for improving that.
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GWG 1. Make this a setting on the settings page
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@schmarty Your < 10min update on the #IndieWeb community! This Week in the IndieWeb audio edition for Apr 1st - 7th, 2017. https://martymcgui.re/2017/04/08/165106/ (twitter.com/_/status/850814201769623554)
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GWG 2. Build something bigger than a setting. Build a feature.
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doubleloop GWG: What's a feature in Wordpress?
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GWG doubleloop: I was speaking generally.
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doubleloop GWG: ah ok :)
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GWG In this case, a setting would be surfacing the function so it can be controlled from the admin
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GWG A feature would be implementing new functionality to better address it
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@huffduffer This Week in the IndieWeb Audio Edition • April 1st - 7th, 2017 https://huffduffer.com/schmarty/401282 (twitter.com/_/status/850815372697763841)
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GWG So, one doesn't make it better, just easier to use. The other would make it better
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GWG Regrettably, my ideas are much bigger than the time I can give them.
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doubleloop GWG: often the case isn't it
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doubleloop GWG: once I get a bit more familiar with the ecosystem (pretty new to both indieweb and wordpress), I'd be happy to chip in where I can. I'm a software developer.
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doubleloop GWG: what's the function you mentioned that I can reroute the mentions to another page?
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GWG doubleloop: https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-webmention/blob/master/includes/functions.php#L70
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GWG I'm not a programmer by trade, only by hobby. I'd welcome any help we can get.
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GWG From submitting ideas and documentation to feature addition.
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doubleloop GWG: Great, thanks.
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gRegorLove Does the huffduffer Twitter post everything that gets added?
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gRegorLove doubleloop: have you logged in to the wiki yet? You can add yourself to the /irc-people page and then have an avatar show up on chat.indieweb.org
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[chrisaldrich] gRegorLove: I think Huffduffer does, though I've never really tested to make sure...
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doubleloop gRegorLove: Hmm I'm on irc-people already, but my pic has gone.
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doubleloop I switched my site to https recently, could be that...?
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doubleloop Ah no, I'd moved the image.
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aaronpk that would do it :)
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doubleloop What software is chat.indieweb.org running on?
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aaronpk https://github.com/indieweb/chat.indieweb.org
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[dgold] https://staltz.com/an-off-grid-social-network.html
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[dgold] Looks interesting...
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gRegorLove I forget, what time on day 2 of IWC is the photo usually taken?
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[chrisaldrich] doubleloop: You might find this more instructive for home page webmentions: https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-webmention#how-can-i-handle-webmentions-to-my-homepage-or-archive-pages
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doubleloop [chrisaldrich]: cool, thanks
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doubleloop [dgold]: Very interesting, the mesh network approach seems novel?
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[chrisaldrich] doubleloop: If it helps as an idea, I created a "mentions" page to collect stray webmentions: http://boffosocko.com/mentions/ - I didn't want to have hundreds/thousands. For comparison: http://www.kevinmarks.com/
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Loqi [Tim Wu] @Mentions
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gRegorLove wut ^
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[chrisaldrich] Really Loqi, again? I'm pretty sure a bug I fixed this morning caused that gRegorLove.
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gRegorLove Oh, I see it's an author in your sidebar. Odd.
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gRegorLove [chrisaldrich]: Hmm, that page has h-as-* but no h-* on some things.
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[chrisaldrich] Though I though I fixed it...
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[chrisaldrich] may have to flush the cache...
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gRegorLove Maybe cached. I just checked on pin13
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[chrisaldrich] I was running some tests last night with the uf2 plugin for WordPress, which puts h-entry on <body> which is a bit too aggressive.
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[chrisaldrich] aaronpk must have filtered out some of the superfeedr cruft...
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gRegorLove That was just Loqi expanding your link I think
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gRegorLove u-comment h-cite would be good on your comments instead of/in addition to h-as-reply
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[chrisaldrich] oh, that's possible too... I had run a quick test just after that post to see if the spurious stuff I saw this morning had flushed out, so I thought it may have come from that.
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[chrisaldrich] gRegorLove, I'm trying to overhaul a handful of WordPress themes right now to give people some additional options. That's on my roadmap... ?
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gRegorLove chrisaldrich++ cool!
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Loqi chrisaldrich has 20 karma in this channel (27 overall)
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[chrisaldrich] What is pin13?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "pin13" yet. Would you like to create it?
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[chrisaldrich] pin13 is a tool that does [[microformats]] parsing, characaracter counting, JSON prettifying, and number converting.
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Loqi ok
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KartikPrabhu [chrisaldrich]: you misspelled character
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GWG It sounds more lyrical.
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[chrisaldrich] GWG: thanks, but I opted to change it since I had to go in to add the URL... but it's always there in the page history for the poets.
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: I'm working on a redesign of the strings in Post Kinds. You might have an opinion.
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GWG After I'm done, I will likely ask you to have a look if you could.
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[chrisaldrich] GWG: sure
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@kevinmarks Federation is hard. Let's go indieweb. https://macgirvin.com/channel/mike/?f=&mid=1b375d3c1144d54f312e7c02d804d5dc27c8e64218a813e19486f5639726a060%40macgirvin.com (twitter.com/_/status/850854958643634176)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Federation is hard. Let's go indieweb. https://macgirvin.com/channel/mike/?f=&mid=1b375d3c1144d54f312e7c02d804d5dc27c8e64218a813e19486f5639726a060@macgirvin.com" by Kevin Marks on 2017-04-08 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/federation-is-hard-lets-go-indieweb-channelmikefampmid1b375d3c1144d54f312e7c02d804d5dc27c8e64218a813e19486f5639726a060macgirvincom
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aaronpk well that's quite a pessimistic post
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gRegorLove And the majority of them aren't questions that require answers before getting basic webmentions working. Hmm.
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gRegorLove Wonder what software that is running his site
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Repost of Kevin Marks's tweet" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-04-08 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/repost-of-kevin-markss-tweet-18288125b5
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gRegorLove Redmatrix/Hubzilla, I guess
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gRegorLove What is Hubzilla?
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Loqi Hubzilla (formerly RedMatrix) is an open source, federated, community web server that started as a fork of Friendica https://indieweb.org/HubZilla
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doubleloop If I post to my site via micropub (e.g. with Quill), the post gets the right post kind, but it doesn't get assigned the correct corresponding Wordpress post type (e.g. Aside vs Standard)
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doubleloop I guess that would be an issue with the Wordpress Micropub plugin?
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GWG doubleloop: That would be post format, not post type.
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GWG doubleloop: What post format should map to what post kind in this case?
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GWG Either way, the Micropub plugin knows nothing about post kinds.
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[chrisaldrich] GWG: I noticed in the recent update to Post Kinds, you're autosetting the post format based on kind, but don't give the user the chance to modify it after the fact. (or doing so doesn't seem to do anything as it gets set back to the original).
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: That second part I wish you'd mentioned. Can you add the issue on that?
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GWG To remind me?
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[chrisaldrich] This may be quirky for some themes which don't include author details for asides when posting a note, while it may be more germane to use something like status.