#indieweb 2017-04-09

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[chrisaldrich] I think I didn't realize it until a day or two ago.
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[chrisaldrich] I think most of them map pretty well, but there may be cases people want to change it after the initial post.
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: Most themes don't support status over aside.
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doubleloop GWG: say I create a new post via Wordpress, and set the post kind of 'Note'. It automatically gets given the post format of 'Aside'. But
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GWG But?
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doubleloop GWG: if I create a note via Quill, it gets a post kind of 'Note', but a post format of 'Standard'.
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doubleloop GWG: at least I think that's what happens. Let me just check it...
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GWG doubleloop: So, the auto-setting of post formats isn't being triggered when the post is created by Micropub?
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GWG That is also worth fixing.
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doubleloop GWG: Yes, that's it.
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doubleloop Shall I create an issue for it?
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GWG doubleloop: Please do. Micropub is maintained by Ryan Barrett. He prefers manual to automatic markup, so he doesn't use Post Kinds, which is fine. The two work together, but the Post Kinds work is done on the Post Kinds side.
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GWG There are hooks I requested that are in there to do it
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GWG Rule of thumb...anything regarding Post Kinds is almost always done in the Post Kinds plugin.
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GWG I actually decided earlier today to separate those customizations into a separate include to make them easier to find
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doubleloop GWG: just to confirm: in this case it's a Micropub issue or a Post Kinds issue?
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GWG doubleloop: Post Kinds.
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GWG I think I know why.
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GWG There's a function that determines post kind based on microformat properties sent by Micropub.
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GWG I'm guessing it runs after the post format function that determines the format based on the kind.
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GWG I have to relook at the code.
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GWG I'm working on redoing the entire taxonomy class right now.
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doubleloop GWG: cool - always nice to have a refactor.
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GWG Well, I have a reason.
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doubleloop Calling it a day here. Thanks for the help today. Good night all .o/
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GWG Right now, all the strings... single term, plural term, property, etc. are separate functions.
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GWG doubleloop: Out of curiosity, location?
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doubleloop London, UK
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GWG doubleloop: Okay.
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GWG It's late there. Sleep well.
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miklb evening
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GWG Hello, miklb
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GWG Got a moment?
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miklb sure
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GWG Do you use the functions that return strings for Post Kinds in your theme?
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miklb I'm not sure. Probably since I have my own template for quotes?
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GWG I might be doing a slightly breaking change.
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miklb that's ok, I'm not doing quote tweets since the my retrieve button is broken & I'm too lazy to do it manually :-P
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GWG miklb: I'm working on closing a bunch of Post Kinds issues.
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miklb sweet
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GWG That would be one of them.
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miklb I guess I also use get_post_kind_slug in one place
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GWG miklb: That one isn't changing
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wagle taking another poke (seriouser this time) at getting a real wp server going... used a migrator to move to a new machine, but, while I can edit non-root pages, I can't view them. any ideas?
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miklb what do you mean by pages?
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[eddie] miklb: FYI your h-card has a period at the end of your name “Michael Bishop.” (see: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmiklb.com%2F)
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[eddie] Yes, I was creeping on the mf2 of your site ?
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miklb [eddie]++
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Loqi eddie has 8 karma in this channel (9 overall)
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miklb anything else wonky with the mf2? bridgy still isn't seeing my syndication links?
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miklb period moved
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[eddie] I don’t know really mf2 that well, lol hence my creeping across sites looking at their mf2 ?
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wagle wordpress's notion of a page
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miklb wagle wasn't sure since you also mentioned "non-root"
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wagle there is a dirtree of pages.. only the root page can be displayed
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[eddie] miklb: You’re missing u-url on your h-entries
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[eddie] At least on your homepage
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[eddie] Quoting snarfed “some of your posts (like this one) don’t have the u-url mf2 property, so we don’t know their permalink, so we don’t know where to send webmentions for them.” - https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/413#issuecomment-107200703
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miklb good catch, checking brid.gy now
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miklb still crawling, maybe a good sign?
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miklb [eddie]++
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miklb hmmm "Timeout while repropagating responses."
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[eddie] Hmmm interesting.
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miklb but now the articles at the top aren't showing up in the mf2. one step forward…
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[eddie] oh no!! strange..
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miklb is confuzed
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[eddie] I don’t see h-entry on your articles
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[eddie] https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-F4X9MAYKH/screenshot_2017-04-08_22.04.08.png?pub_secret=0623a45c4e&name=Screenshot 2017-04-08 22.04.08.png
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miklb weird. I may have accidentally removed it last night trying to fix something else ?
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[eddie] lol, I’ve been there
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miklb it should pick them up from /firehose where they have h-entry. I think.
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[eddie] Ahhh yeah
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wagle wah?
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wagle oops
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miklb "Hit cap of 10 permalinks" so probably not going to be able to go back far enough to get some backfeed from my missing u-urls when I switched themes. oh well
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Zegnat I wonder if this will trigger another silo exodus: https://io9.gizmodo.com/russian-owned-livejournal-bans-political-talk-adds-ris-1794143772
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Loqi [Beth Elderkin] Russian-Owned LiveJournal Bans Political Talk, Adds Risk of Spying
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Zegnat Alright, did my first repost. Still need to do some mark-up tweaking, but pretty happy.
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doubleloop Zegnat: high-five
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doubleloop o/\o
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doubleloop Where is it at?
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Zegnat high-fives doubleloop back
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Zegnat sebsel, any reason reposts show up amongst likes on your site?
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doubleloop How should I markup a bookmark post so that brid.gy POSSE's it to twitter in a nice format?
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doubleloop At the moment it doesn't include the hyperlink to the bookmark that I'm sharing.
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doubleloop e.g. this post: https://doubleloop.net/2017/04/09/how-to-solve-social-problems-with-open-data/
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Loqi [neil] How to solve social problems with open data From a designer’s perspective, some tips on using open data in a project.
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Zegnat What is bridgy?
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Loqi Bridgy is an open source project and proxy that implements backfeed and POSSE as a service https://indieweb.org/bridgy
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doubleloop reading indieweb.org/bookmark
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Zegnat Hmm, not seeing anything specific about bookmark type posts on https://brid.gy/about
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doubleloop indieweb.org/bookmark#How_to_markup suggests h-entry with u-bookmark-of and h-cite
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doubleloop I have h-cite p-bookmark-of and a u-url inside...
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sknebel I don't think bridgy has any special handling for bookmarks
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Zegnat You might want to run that through an mf2 parser, doubleloop. It could be the bookmark-of has become a property of h-cite instead of a property of h-entry.
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doubleloop Loqi posted the bookmark, missing a URL, when I linked to it here. Would Loqi usually include the link as well?
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doubleloop Zegnat: ah cool good idea. I'm thinking my markup is wrong.
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Zegnat Not sure about Loqi. Lets test?
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Zegnat https://licit.li/58de08aedf02f
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Zegnat Or ... Loqi has decided not to read my website. Again.
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sknebel https://www.svenknebel.de/posts/2016/5/3/
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Loqi [Sven Knebel] Zegnat's awesome writeup of the demos from IWC Düsseldorf
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Zegnat https://seblog.nl/2017/03/21/1/bookmark
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Loqi [Sebastiaan Andeweg] Seb heeft dit gebookmarkt.
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Zegnat Ah, sknebel beat me to it.
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Zegnat Looks like Loqi will not extract the bookmarked URL.
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doubleloop Cool, thanks for the test.
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doubleloop Fair enough I guess, given that someone will have just posted the bookmarked URL above :)
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sknebel I'm not sure about the p-bookmark-of
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Zegnat I don’t use Bridgy, so I can’t speak for it either. Someone who knows will probably pass by during the day :)
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sknebel I don't use it much either, and I know at least some WP users use other syndication plugins to post to twitter (where they can decide formatting etc, without putting an extra version for bridgy in the html), and then use bridgy for backfeed only
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sknebel (https://brid.gy/about#silo-content )
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sknebel regarding markup, when I swap the p-bookmark-of to a u-bookmark-of an mf2 parser shows a "bookmark-of" with a "value" of the url, I think that's what you'd want? http://pin13.net/mf2/?id=20170409110353645 (not sure myself, anyone else?)
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sknebel (also, I have no idea *why* it does this, despite checking http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats-2-parsing#parsing_a_u-_property again)
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] microformats2 parsing specification
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doubleloop sknebel: thanks, I will keep that I mind. I tried it briefly just now, but does not seem to have made a different with bridgy.
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doubleloop I'll ping ChrisAldrich, as he seems to be able to share bookmarks nicely to twitter and his markup looks the same as mine (both coming from the same Wordpress plugin)
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doubleloop He might be using a different syndication plugin as you mentioned
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Zegnat Yes, sknebel, I ran into that a while ago with sebsel, and I don’t remember if I could find out where it was documented. It seemed like if the u-* is attached on a h-* it will use the h-*’s u-url value as the value for the u-*.
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Zegnat It makes some sense, e.g. have a container element .h-card.u-author inside your .h-entry and if the h-card has a child element .u-url that one will be taken for the h-entry’s author property.
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Zegnat sknebel it is documented in http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats-2-parsing#parse_an_element_for_class_microformats, “else if it's a u-* property element and the h-* child has a u-url, use the first such u-url”
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] microformats2 parsing specification
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sknebel Zegnat++ thank you, that I missed
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Loqi zegnat has 35 karma in this channel (40 overall)
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Zegnat So, yeah, that’s the thing I might want to apply to my reposting markup, so the .u-repost-of will use the .u-url from .h-cite
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Zegnat And all of this mumbo-jumbo should be in #indieweb-dev and not here. My apologies to anyone reading along!
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[jeremycherfas] Zegnat: No apology needed. This is just the sort of thing that makes actually putting the indiewebn to use for ordinary mortals so difficult and so confusing.
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Zegnat Oh, definitely. I have read the parsing spec several times and the small things like this still trip me up. It is often better to just experiment against a parser, like sknebel was doing :)
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@rMdes_ You should join me at this Meetup. Check it out and RSVP! https://www.meetup.com/HWC-Brussels/events/238876215/i3/socialmedia/ #indieweb @hwcbrussels (twitter.com/_/status/851050019369234432)
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sknebel What is meetup
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "meetup" yet. Would you like to create it?
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sknebel What is meetup.com
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Loqi Meetup.com is a proprietary website for to meet people in your local community who share your interests https://indieweb.org/meetup.com
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sknebel meetup.com << https://www.meetup.com/meetup_api/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.meetup.com/meetup_api/" to the "See Also" section of /meetup.com
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@cleverdevil Wrote a plugin for the @Nextclouders News app that lets me create #IndieWeb interactions on my @withknown site. Needs polish, but loving it! (twitter.com/_/status/851100904308617217)
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sknebel cleverdevil++
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Loqi cleverdevil has 18 karma in this channel (23 overall)
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@Fox77143127 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-xqXLtA5nY&feature=youtu.be #indie #indiemusic #indieweb #indieartist #indierock #IndieRockHitParade #13ReasonsWhy… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/851127638651543553 (twitter.com/_/status/851127638651543553)
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[chrisaldrich] What is SNAP?
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Loqi SNAP or alternately Social Network Auto Poster is a POSSE plugin for WordPress https://indieweb.org/SNAP
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[chrisaldrich] !tell doubleloop I use /SNAP for POSSE from WP to Twitter in addition to something like All in One SEO, Yoast, or Twitter plugin to set the metadata correctly for Twitter Cards
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[chrisaldrich] !tell doubleloop Your Bridgy twitter page also has UI for inputting a URL and previewing how your post will look while using microformats markup if you go that route instead.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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miklb what is hugo
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Loqi Hugo is a static site generator written in Go https://indieweb.org/hugo
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wagle does anyone use one wordpress server for multiple sites? what did you use? i'm trying to use the builtin "multisite" stuff, but am not succeeding yet in setting a theme for the non-main site
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wagle ?
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miklb you have to activate the theme in the network settings for themes
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wagle I do, but it remains some bizarre brokeen thing
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miklb maybe try #wordpress Im sure anyone here who can help would, but more activity there
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wagle wordpress is dead.. thought maybe ppeople here would have tried something so complicated
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wagle was looking more for "try X" than help
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wagle ooh! a wordpres plugin for only $50 a month!
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wagle sigh
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doubleloop wagle: do you have your own server?
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Loqi doubleloop: [chrisaldrich] left you a message 1 hour, 11 minutes ago: I use /SNAP for POSSE from WP to Twitter in addition to something like All in One SEO, Yoast, or Twitter plugin to set the metadata correctly for Twitter Cards
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Loqi doubleloop: [chrisaldrich] left you a message 1 hour, 6 minutes ago: Your Bridgy twitter page also has UI for inputting a URL and previewing how your post will look while using microformats markup if you go that route instead.
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wagle doubleloop: yes
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doubleloop What web server are you using? Apache?
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wagle nginx
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doubleloop You could set up two completely separate installations of Wordpress.
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wagle been there, done that, its a nightmare for bigger numbers
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wagle eg, plugin updates are manual, slow, and can be frequent
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doubleloop Yep, no good if you have a lot of sites.
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doubleloop I've never used multisite, so can't help
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@Shoq This is very much in line with what @kevinmarks and @indiewebcamp have been advocating for and coding for years https://twitter.com/cairdin/status/851154021729542144 (twitter.com/_/status/851155004031414272)
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gRegorLove Haha. I had to do a password reset with YNAB. The placeholder text on the reset field was "correct horse battery staple" with a recommendation to use a passphrase, referencing https://xkcd.com/936/
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Loqi awesome
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sknebel I hope they filter "correct horse battery staple" as a non-valid answer
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gRegorLove me too
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aaronpk haha
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wagle hmm it helpd if you find better documentation for multisite wordpress.. who knew?
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wagle helps
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wagle damn kids! (halfway through the numerous docs) WordPress must run from the root of your webfolder (i.e. public_html) for subdomains to work correctly. They will not work from within a subdirectory.
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wagle !image this is fine
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wagle set rantmode off
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GWG Afternoon
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miklb yo
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gRegorLove Really, wagle? I know you can run regular WP from different directories. Is multi that different?
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wagle not the other docs, it was lying
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wagle i'm currently reading https://codex.wordpress.org/Nginx
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wagle umm
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wagle LIKE the other docs, it was lying
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GWG pfefferle just merged my PR. I am pleased
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GWG This brings me closer to better integration of
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miklb the suspense is killing me. integration of…?
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GWG Sorry, cut out. Semantic Linkbacks and Webmentions. In my opinion
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miklb cool
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GWG The changes bring original creation time and source to metadata.
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miklb I'm trying to figure out how to add a self-signed cert to my local dev so I can work on the retrieve
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miklb that was a lot easier than I thought.
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miklb lol. it works on my local install with https. Need to check my nginx configs more closely
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aaronpk tools << generate SSL certs for .dev domains for testing locally https://ssl.indieweb.org
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Loqi ok, I added "generate SSL certs for .dev domains for testing locally https://ssl.indieweb.org" to the "See Also" section of /tools
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miklb aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 490 karma in this channel (1276 overall)
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miklb when I said "it works" I meant the retrieve button for post properties in the WordPress plugin
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miklb only significant difference between my dev and local was https
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GWG Well, chrisaldrich had a problem with his location retrieval, written by me as well, because he wasnt https
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@kevinmarks This is the intersection of #indieweb and #tummling https://twitter.com/cdixon/status/851160995296927745 (twitter.com/_/status/851202902341406721)
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miklb GWG I understand, but I'd like to rule out as much as possible.
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GWG miklb, what would work with ssl but not without?
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miklb I've seen some discussion regarding wp-json end point and issues with nginx & https
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miklb but the reverse I'm not so sure about
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GWG I use ssl and Nginx
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Loqi [superfeedr] "IndieWeb Summit 2016" on 2017-04-09 http://calagator.org/events/1250471772
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Loqi IndieWeb Summit 2016 on Saturday, Jun 24, 9:30am at TBD
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aaronpk lol superfeedr is too fast for me
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@kevinmarks I did tell y'all about Mastodon last November, remember? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHunxMTRCJc&feature=youtu.be&t=1h16m6s #indieweb #websub #PubSubHubbub (twitter.com/_/status/851210155551203329)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "I did tell y'all about Mastodon last November, remember? https://youtu.be/UHunxMTRCJc?t=1h16m6s #indieweb #websub #PubSubHubbub" by Kevin Marks on 2017-04-09 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/i-did-tell-yall-about-mastodon-last-november-remember-uhunxmtrcjct1h16m6s
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wagle intruder alert/
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wagle meh, wrong channel, sorry
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KartikPrabhu so the alert was accidentally correct!
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