Loqi[superfeedr] "Liked this tweet: Kevin Marks on Twitter: “Live now on This Week in Google with @leolaporte @jeffjarvis @gigastacey talking mastodon, gnusocial #indieweb and more”" by Scott Kingery on 2017-04-13 http://techlifeweb.com/15824-2/
voxpellilikes the concept of continuous OPML imports/subscriptions, so one can keep a subscribe list in sync between multiple places, would also enable a POSSE-approach to subscription lists, by converting an XFN-list to a OPML-file
LoqiIndieWeb friendly refers to online services interoperating well with the indieweb by supporting open indieweb formats, protocols, as well as enabling users to transition to their own indieweb sites https://indieweb.org/friendly
ben_thatmustbemei am up to anyone adding whatever they think makes sense there, i'm just trying to get a list of A) indieweb friendly software / services and what features they support, and B) a list of things that are next to add. I have been going through trying to add MF2 to everything as best I can first, so now Friendica, HubZilla, Mastodon, and GnuSocial (someone else did that one) all publish mf2
voxpelliI generally dislike such lists as they are a good fit for software similar to silos, but are not such a good fit for the more modular approach that we have here in the IndieWeb community
voxpelliEg. my https://webmention.herokuapp.com/ can make any page receive WebMentions, but isn't really comparable to Known, Mastodon, Twitter etc in any meaningful way
voxpelliSimilarly Jekyll isn't either really comparable to Known, Mastodon, Twitter etc, but when combined with my WebMention endpoint the two gets a comparable set of features
ben_thatmustbemei don't really think it makes sense to list things that haven't had updates in over 2 years though [kevinmarks], looks more like a dead project really
aaronpki think the goal of ben's page is to list software that can be someone's personal website vs the list of all tools like webmention.herokuapp.com and such
voxpelliyeah, but but one of the strengths with the indieweb is that the plurality of us makes it so that most things can be made either indieweb friendly or fully indieweb:ish
voxpelliso it kind of gives the wrong impression when I see p3k, but not WordPress or Jekyll, and then thinks that I have to switch my site to some kind of new tech
voxpelliwith eg. OStatus the need to change ones site would in practice be somewhat true and with eg. Diaspora it was completely true, but with us, there's often no need
voxpelliaaronpk: but Jekyll and WordPress supports nothing and everything – out of the box nothing, but they can all be made to support everything, but in the case of Jekyll, that's not thanks to Jekyll but mostly thanks to tools that can be more or less applied to all sites, static or non-static
voxpelliyeah, and it now says so in the summary and refers to the individual spec pages for complete lists of projects for those specs + mentions the problem of fitting some projects into the lists
voxpellia core part of indieweb also feels like the fact that that we are driven by principles, not tech, so every tech can be labeled as indieweb, just with a different degree of controversy, so listing alternative techs feels good (especially OStatus, which maps so well to IndieWeb)
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[cleverdevil]So, @voxpelli and miklb, Nextcloud News has a REST API that allows you to add, delete, move, and refresh feeds at will. You could pretty easily use this to do OMPL syncs like you mentioned earlier.
[eddie]cleverdevil: Update regarding HumanAPI, Apple Health, Google Fit, MyFitnessPal, Striiv and Garmin are all “Health+” Data Sources which require monthly payments to HumanAPI
Loqi[superfeedr] "@davezatz true. All my tweet get pulled into a WordPress site so I don’t lose anything. #indieweb" by Scott Kingery on 2017-04-13 http://techlifeweb.com/15843-2/
tantekben_thatmustbeme: FWIW I'd say keep the "_networks" list on the SWWG wiki focused on the same kinds of things that the ActivityPub_ equivalent page does. It's ok that that SWWG *_networks page is a subset of things that support indieweb friendly protocols and such.
tantekand voxpelli I agree with you also - that our lists here on indieweb.org should be more inclusive and encouraging of modular approaches. so let's do both
tantekalso agree with KartikPrabhu's rhetorical question, no need to add things as "refused", because that's pessimistic, whereas it's better to frame as "not yet"
GWGben_thatmustbe: I am trying to come up with an array of properties to set to teach my code what the post types are and how they behave and what terms are used in them(Terms like Like, Reply, etc.
tantekif you try to "come up with" something more clever, then you'll have to spend time doing this whole exercise every time new post kinds/types emerge
gRegorLoveaaronpk: Do you include @-names in the text of you rnotes? They might be getting messed up on syndication. I've had Twitter API add names multiple times thanks to canoes
[cleverdevil]aaronpk as I've been more heavily using Quill, I've noticed that some reposts and likes of Twitter URLs show up funky in Known (tracking HEAD).
snarfedgRegorLove: you're on the right track. i recommend letting bridgy publish handle replies instead of adding leading@-mentions yourself. twitter generally doesn't need them now, but bridgy is conservative and leaves them in your text if they're already there
[cleverdevil]!tell chrisaldrich I fixed those issues with my Watching plugin, I think. Thanks for testing it! Let me know if it works for you, and I'll close the ticket out.
tanteksnarfed, there's still something buggy in the overall way Bridgy Publish is POSSEing to twitter in that whatever it is doing (Twitter API, options etc.) results in prefixing with redundant @-names that are already in the reply.
tantekbecause the goal of including @-names deliberately in the message (not at the front) is to have the reply show up *publicly* among all your tweets on your profile
snarfedold api clients like loqi, falcon, and silo.pub aren't handling the new twitter API and data format changes, so they're incorrectly rendering tweets as including those prefix @-mentions
tantektwitter users already know: "put @-mention at front of reply, only shows to people who follow both, put @-mention in middle of reply, shows to everyone that follows me"
snarfedso this isn't actually a recent change in bridgy publish. when bridgy publish sees a twitter u-in-reply-to, it interprets that as a reply. before, it would add leading @-mentions if they weren't already there, since twitter required them for a reply. now, it doesn't add them explicitly, but does tell twitter to make it a reply.
tantekwhen the user leads their reply with @-name, the audience is restricted to the intersection of their followers, and the tweet doesn't show up on their profile by default
tantekwhen the user puts the @-name in the middle of their tweet (not at the front), the audience is all of the user's followers and it shows up on their profile
snarfedsure, i understand. bridgy hasn't allowed that option though. it's always also added leading @-reply to the in-reply-to user if it wasn't already in the text
snarfedi honestly suspect this is bigger than bridgy though. if you replied on twitter.com before the new UX and got rid of the leading @-mention, it would change to public audience. now it won't.
snarfedtantek: fwiw falcon and silo.pub only do what you want because they're using the old API. if twitter sticks with the changes, they'll eventually turn off the old API.
snarfedi honestly wonder if we can find an example. i know the new changes mean you can start a *non*-reply with an @-mention, but i'm not sure they mean you can have a reply show up to the public audience
GWGmiklb: All the functionality changes are minor bug fixes and enhancements. Nothing spectacular. The big changes were refactoring to make changes easier.
Loqi[Aaron Parecki] Micropub PR published today! ? https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/ This is the last step before REC status! We'd love your impl reports and feedback!...
tantekwe'd have to ask shaners or someone more familiar with baseball cards to come up with a mapping from indieweb project / indiemark things to the equivalents that could be displayed in baseball stats style
GWGFor now, I spent part of the day making tweaks to make Micropub work better with Post Kinds for both myself and others. I implemented a basic version of your post discovery algorithm
miklbGWG I switched to the 2.52 branch, but still getting the error. I do think it's an issue with nginx conf & using a subdirectory just haven't found a definitive answer on what it should be
Loqi[chrisaldrich]: [cleverdevil] left you a message 2 hours, 27 minutes ago: I fixed those issues with my Watching plugin, I think. Thanks for testing it! Let me know if it works for you, and I'll close the ticket out.
martymcguire[m][eddie]: yeah! there's a balance there in showing what wm.io sends as a "name" vs "content" and it works well for your listen posts as well as chrisaldrich's